Messages In This Digest (19 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Arjun Singhal
- 1b.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Arjun Singhal
- 1c.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Arjun Singhal
- 1d.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Daly Jessup
- 1e.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Randy B. Singer
- 1f.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Jim Saklad
- 1g.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Harry Flaxman
- 1h.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Harry Flaxman
- 1i.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Jim Saklad
- 1j.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Arjun Singhal
- 1k.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Randy B. Singer
- 1l.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Arjun Singhal
- 1m.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Harry Flaxman
- 1n.
- Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install From: Harry Flaxman
- 2a.
- Re: bedeviled by glitches From: Randy B. Singer
- 3a.
- Re: DiskWarrior any good ??? From: Daly Jessup
- 3b.
- Re: DiskWarrior any good ??? From: Randy B. Singer
- 4.1.
- Re: my granddaughter's email has been hacked From: Josephine Bacon
- 4.2.
- Re: my granddaughter's email has been hacked From: Randy B. Singer
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:40 pm (PST)
If one reboots with the option key pressed, it shows a recovery partition, but the option only changes to internet downloading after being selected. It doesnt actually have anything that can work locally
Regards,
Arjun
blowtrumpet.com
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On 15-Jan-2012, at 3:51, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
>
> > It will take 116 hours because apparently it will download everything that the computerr shipped with including ilife etc.
>
> Arjun,
>
> You never said, did you get anywhere with the recovery partition?
>
> Harry
>
> Harry Flaxman
> harry.flaxman@comcast.net
>
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:45 pm (PST)
That means you need a computer with snow leopard on it so you can download it from the app store and then make a thumb drive. And you dont get the bundled apps of ilife that shipped with the computer. And ultimately it means that lion for apple isnt an independent OS release if you happen to be in a region without abundant internet access.
Regards,
Arjun
blowtrumpet.com
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On 15-Jan-2012, at 4:38, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
> > It will take 116 hours because apparently it will download everything that the computer shipped with including ilife etc.
>
> That is still highly unlikely to be more than 16 GB when unpacked. At 4 Mbps, still only 10 hours or less.
>
> > And although a lot of folks have suggested creating my own thumb drive, that is possible only if you're upgrading to lion from the app store after using snow leopard. If lion comes pre installed on your system, you cannot create your own thumb drive.
>
> But you stated that you had also downloaded the Lion installer for a machine that didn't originally come with Lion.
>
> All that advice about saving the installer, and making a bootable thumb drive or DVD DOES apply to that installer, and that COULD have been used to reinstall Lion on the new machine.
>
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> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:51 pm (PST)
You can do this if you downloaded a copy of Lion from the App store while running slow neopard. Not if the machine shipped with lion pre installed. I have two 15 in MBPs that are late 2011 builds shipped in November qnd December 2011 that came without the thumb drives. They have no other alternative to reinstall but thru internet recovery which seems to be part of their bios
Regards,
Arjun
blowtrumpet.com
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On 15-Jan-2012, at 7:59, "Randy B. Singer" <randy@macattorney.com > wrote:
>
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
>
> > And although a lot of folks have suggested creating my own thumb
> > drive, that is possile on,y if youre upgrading to lion from the app
> > store after using snow leopard. If lion comes pre installed on your
> > system, you cannot create your own thumb drive.
>
> Sure you can.
>
> You can recover a copy of Lion from the recovery partition, the
> discussion is here:
>
> <https://discussions.apple.com/ >thread/3190146? start=15& tstart=0
>
> This contains the detailed instructions for extracting the installer
> for Lion from the recovery partition.
>
> _____________________ _________ _________ ____
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
> _____________________ _________ _________ ____
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com
Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:02 pm (PST)
On Jan 14, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> It will take 116 hours because apparently it will download everything that the computer shipped with including ilife etc.
>
> That is still highly unlikely to be more than 16 GB when unpacked. At 4 Mbps, still only 10 hours or less.
I downloaded it again today in 1 hour and 45 minutes and I do not have a fancy internet connection. Just regular consumer cable modem. The downloaded file was 3.83 GB in size.
I believe you were getting faulty data about how long it would take to download. I believe that if you had let it continue, the estimated time to download would have rapidly decreased once the download got going.
Daly
_____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________
3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 8 GB RAM, 27" screen, OS X 10.6.8,
AMD Radeon HD 6970M video, wired Apple mouse and keyboard. Partition: GUID Partition Table.
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:55 pm (PST)
On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> You can do this if you downloaded a copy of Lion from the App store
> while running slow neopard. Not if the machine shipped with lion
> pre installed.
According to the article you can do this from Lion Recovery. *All*
Macs running Lion have Lion Recovery:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/ recovery/
You are confusing the original file that one downloads from Apple to
install Lion as an upgrade with Lion Recovery, which is something
completely different.
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:08 pm (PST)
>> But you stated that you had also downloaded the Lion installer for a machine that didn't originally come with Lion.
>>
>> All that advice about saving the installer, and making a bootable thumb drive or DVD DOES apply to that installer, and that COULD have been used to reinstall Lion on the new machine.
>
> That means you need a computer with snow leopard on it so you can download it from the app store and then make a thumb drive.
1. You don't *need* to make a thumb drive. You can simply save a copy of the installer file somewhere safe.
2. You stated that you *had* an older laptop with Snow Leopard that you had upgraded to Lion.
Therefore you had a Lion installer file. I have no idea how you got it, and don't care.
The Lion installer file that I originally got to upgrade my Snow Leopard laptop is still here, in storage.
Apparently you did nothing to save the one you had, even knowing how difficult downloading it again might be, should it become necessary.
With but a little forethought and planning, no iteration of Lion needs to be downloaded more than once.
> And you dont get the bundled apps of ilife that shipped with the computer.
3. Whose fault is it that you had no viable backup?
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:08 pm (PST)
If you use the directions I sent, in Terminal, you can extract the file from that recovery partition. Pretty easy task to accomplish.
Once doing so, create a bootable device using the utility I posted the link for previously.
Harry
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [macsupport] Apple OS X Lion Re-install
If one reboots with the option key pressed, it shows a recovery partition, but the option only changes to internet downloading after being selected. It doesnt actually have anything that can work locally
Regards,
Arjun
blowtrumpet.com
Sent from my iPad
On 15-Jan-2012, at 3:51, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@comcast.net > wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
>
> > It will take 116 hours because apparently it will download everything that the computerr shipped with including ilife etc.
>
> Arjun,
>
> You never said, did you get anywhere with the recovery partition?
>
> Harry
>
> Harry Flaxman
> harry.flaxman@comcast.net
>
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:10 pm (PST)
-----Original Message-----
From: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
[mailto:macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of Randy B. Singercom
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:56 AM
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Apple OS X Lion Re-install
On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> You can do this if you downloaded a copy of Lion from the App store
> while running slow neopard. Not if the machine shipped with lion pre
> installed.
According to the article you can do this from Lion Recovery. *All* Macs
running Lion have Lion Recovery:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/ recovery/
You are confusing the original file that one downloads from Apple to install
Lion as an upgrade with Lion Recovery, which is something completely
different.
Absolutely! I did this here using my recovery partition.
Harry
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:13 pm (PST)
> According to the article you can do this from Lion Recovery. *All* Macs running Lion have Lion Recovery:
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/ recovery/
That page indicates that you can reinstall using Lion Recovery.
It does *NOT* indicate that nothing further needs to be downloaded.
Lion Recovery is a 650 MB partition, and the largest file in it is a .dmg of 400-something MB.
The Lion Installer File that one downloads from the Mac App Store is about 3.8 GB.
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:22 pm (PST)
It is still downloading on the Mac. Says 64 more hours to go. I keep calling the ISP to check if I am running out on the data transfer. It's a slow mirror definitely, coz the other computers seem to be having blazingly fast internet connection at this upgraded speed.
Harry, I'll try to create a recovery disk with my other laptop and see if it succeeds. Still not sure if the EULA permits me to use that copy on another machine. Anyways, thanks for pointing me to it.
On 15-Jan-2012, at 11:32 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>>> It will take 116 hours because apparently it will download everything that the computer shipped with including ilife etc.
>>
>> That is still highly unlikely to be more than 16 GB when unpacked. At 4 Mbps, still only 10 hours or less.
>
>
> I downloaded it again today in 1 hour and 45 minutes and I do not have a fancy internet connection. Just regular consumer cable modem. The downloaded file was 3.83 GB in size.
>
> I believe you were getting faulty data about how long it would take to download. I believe that if you had let it continue, the estimated time to download would have rapidly decreased once the download got going.
>
> Daly
>
>
> _____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________
> 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 8 GB RAM, 27" screen, OS X 10.6.8,
> AMD Radeon HD 6970M video, wired Apple mouse and keyboard. Partition: GUID Partition Table.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:19 am (PST)
On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> That page indicates that you can reinstall using Lion Recovery.
> It does *NOT* indicate that nothing further needs to be downloaded.
Yes, but the post on this page (that I referenced previously) *DOES*
indicate that nothing further need be downloaded:
<https://discussions.apple.com/ >thread/3190146? start=15& tstart=0
It tells you how to use the image contained in the Recovery partition
to extract a complete Lion installer.
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:03 am (PST)
Hi Randy
I am trying it on my other notebook. I can reach the stage where it gives me the Install OS X Lion Icon, but then there is no way to create a thumb drive from this. The InstallESD.dmg file isn't there in the folder structure. And the entire volume is about 1.3 Gigs
Regards,
Arjun
On 15-Jan-2012, at 1:49 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
> > That page indicates that you can reinstall using Lion Recovery.
> > It does *NOT* indicate that nothing further needs to be downloaded.
>
> Yes, but the post on this page (that I referenced previously) *DOES*
> indicate that nothing further need be downloaded:
> <https://discussions.apple.com/ >thread/3190146? start=15& tstart=0
>
> It tells you how to use the image contained in the Recovery partition
> to extract a complete Lion installer.
>
> _____________________ _________ _________ ____
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
> _____________________ _________ _________ ____
>
>
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:19 am (PST)
See previous post:
The utility to create the bootable device is free and found here:
http://blog.gete.net/ lion-diskmaker- us/
Should you have this file, you can always do this locally. If you don't, I
would save the file after the download and create one then.
There is also a method using Terminal, for extracting the file from the
recovery partition of the hard drive, assuming you have one.
-----Original Message-----
From: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
[mailto:macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of Arjun Singhalcom
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:04 AM
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Hi Randy
I am trying it on my other notebook. I can reach the stage where it gives me
the Install OS X Lion Icon, but then there is no way to create a thumb drive
from this. The InstallESD.dmg file isn't there in the folder structure. And
the entire volume is about 1.3 Gigs
Regards,
Arjun
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Re: Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net hflaxman001
Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:23 am (PST)
See previous post:
The utility to create the bootable device is free and found here:
http://blog.gete.net/ lion-diskmaker- us/
Should you have this file, you can always do this locally. If you don't, I
would save the file after the download and create one then.
There is also a method using Terminal, for extracting the file from the
recovery partition of the hard drive, assuming you have one.
-----Original Message-----
From: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
[mailto:macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of Arjun Singhalcom
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:04 AM
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [macsupport] Apple OS X Lion Re-install
Hi Randy
I am trying it on my other notebook. I can reach the stage where it gives me
the Install OS X Lion Icon, but then there is no way to create a thumb drive
from this. The InstallESD.dmg file isn't there in the folder structure. And
the entire volume is about 1.3 Gigs
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Re: bedeviled by glitches
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:47 pm (PST)
On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Oneal Neumann wrote:
> Weird things, mostly of no great import, yet annoying nonetheless,
> are occurring to my 10.6.8–running laptop. I've mentioned before
> that Actitivity Monitor has not worked for more than a half year
> and that Mail misbehaves at times. Other things happen too.
>
> What prompts this post is the fact, also long-running, that a
> certain keystroke shortcut in Safari (^A, which is 'control-a')
> does not want to work. I must use the menubar (Safari > Window >
> Arrange in Front) to effect the realigning of all Safari windows
> neatly midscreen.
>
> In general terms, if knowable, what is producing this drift into
> operative wonkiness? Why do things that once worked fine no longer
> work as they used to? Will a (soon) move to Lion (10.7) remedy my
> still-minor problems, or will I just be bringing them along for the
> ride?
If you have several problems, and nothing seems to help them
individually, my guess is that the best solution would be to do a
clean install of your OS (any OS). So, if you intend to upgrade to
Lion, and you are concerned about bringing your problems along, what
you need to do is do a clean install of Lion.
HOW TO: Do a Clean Install of OS X Lion
<http://news.idg.no/cw/ >art.cfm?id= D66E0D60- 1A64-6A71- CEB596DEDA566CA3
<http://feeds.mashable. >com/~r/Mashable/ ~3/yWXqguXQPcA/
If you want to test my hypothesis before doing the clean install, you
can do so if you have an external hard drive that has a copy of OS X
on it and is bootable. If you boot from the external hard drive and
the problems you have been experiencing are gone, then a clean
install of OS X on your main drive should solve all of your problems.
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
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Re: DiskWarrior any good ???
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com
Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:58 pm (PST)
On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Oneal Neumann, nonPhD wrote:
> A friend gave me DiskWarrior 4.0 years ago for problems I was then having, however I never really used it much. Not sure if it helped me at all. I moved up to Leopard and my earlier problems disappeared with an erase-and-install as recommend by Denver Dan.
>
> Is there any point getting the up-to-date version for Lion, which I will get soon?
I wouldn't be without it. When you need it, nothing else will do. To me, it's like buying AppleCare. Maybe you won't need it, but if you need it and don't have it you will be SO SORRY.
Daly
_____________________ _________ _________ _________ _________
3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 8 GB RAM, 27" screen, OS X 10.6.8,
AMD Radeon HD 6970M video, wired Apple mouse and keyboard. Partition: GUID Partition Table.
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Re: DiskWarrior any good ???
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:12 am (PST)
On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
> I wouldn't be without it. When you need it, nothing else will do.
> To me, it's like buying AppleCare. Maybe you won't need it, but if
> you need it and don't have it you will be SO SORRY.
Disk Warrior is an excellent utility, but I don't agree that it is
something that you need to pay $100 for on the off chance that you
might one day need it.
It is rare, since the advent of OS X, that folks find that they ever
need something better than Disk Utility/Repair Disk to repair their
directory.
If one day you find yourself in the unfortunate situation where you
actually need Disk Warrior, it is definitely convenient to have a
copy of DW available. But there won't be any huge extra problems
that you incur if you have to run down to the local computer store
and pick up a copy of Disk Warrior, or have it overnighted, other
than a few hours of downtime.
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
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Re: my granddaughter's email has been hacked
Posted by: "Josephine Bacon" bacon@langservice.com baconandeggs_2001
Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:05 am (PST)
Dear All,
I received a message today, allegedly sent by my granddaughter,
telling me to log onto a website. Fortunately, Macmail warned me it
was a scam. The message was sent to all her contacts, of course. What
should she do?
Josephine Bacon
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Re: my granddaughter's email has been hacked
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:17 am (PST)
On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:05 AM, Josephine Bacon wrote:
> I received a message today, allegedly sent by my granddaughter,
> telling me to log onto a website. Fortunately, Macmail warned me it
> was a scam. The message was sent to all her contacts, of course. What
> should she do?
She should immediately log into her e-mail account, and any social
networking accounts she may have (e.g. Facebook), and change the
password to something that isn't a word in the dictionary, combined
with numbers.
e.g.:
unicorn = a bad password
1960glipforb23 = a good password
Beyond that, there isn't much she can do.
If she can't log into any of her accounts, she needs to contact the
service involved and have them help her.
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
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