Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: '2func' needed ??? From: Otto Nikolaus
- 1.2.
- Re: '2func' needed ??? From: Keith Whaley
- 1.3.
- Re: '2func' needed ??? From: Otto Nikolaus
- 1.4.
- Re: '2func' needed ??? From: Keith Whaley
- 1.5.
- Re: '2func' needed ??? From: Denver Dan
- 2a.
- Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal From: Larson
- 2b.
- Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal From: Daly Jessup
- 3a.
- Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: The Wizard who eats Gizards
- 3b.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Barb Adamski
- 3c.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Chris Jones
- 3d.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Curt Hudson
- 3e.
- Re: Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Keith Whaley
- 3f.
- Re: Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Keith Whaley
- 3g.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Arjun Singhal
- 3h.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Chris Jones
- 3i.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Barb Adamski
- 3j.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Chris Jones
- 3k.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Barb Adamski
- 3l.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Chris Jones
- 3m.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Barb Adamski
- 3n.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Chris Jones
- 3o.
- Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go? From: Barb Adamski
- 4a.
- More AppleCare Help is needed From: Arjun Singhal
- 4b.
- Re: More AppleCare Help is needed From: James Robertson
- 4c.
- Re: More AppleCare Help is needed From: Denver Dan
Messages
- 1.1.
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Re: '2func' needed ???
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Sun Jan 8, 2012 4:47 am (PST)
On 7 January 2012 23:54, Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com > wrote:
>
> Shift-Option-i gives me this symbol: Ì›
>
> Which is not at all like the ^ above the 6.
>
> Also, my Keyboard Viewer will not open for some reason. Sighhh.
>
(UK keyboard, PowerBook G4, 10.5.8)
shift-6 ^
shift-option-i È
option-i ^ (typing a vowel after that gives the letter accented with *^, *as
in â, ê, î, ô)
Have you enabled Keyboard Viewer it in System Preferences > International >
Input Menu?
Otto
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- 1.2.
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Re: '2func' needed ???
Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com keith9600
Sun Jan 8, 2012 5:00 am (PST)
Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> On 7 January 2012 23:54, Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com
> <mailto:keith_w%40dslextreme. com>> wrote:
>
> >
> > Shift-Option-i gives me this symbol: Ì›
> >
> > Which is not at all like the ^ above the 6.
> >
> > Also, my Keyboard Viewer will not open for some reason. Sighhh.
> >
>
> (UK keyboard, PowerBook G4, 10.5.8)
> shift-6 ^
> shift-option-i È
> option-i ^ (typing a vowel after that gives the letter accented with *^, *as
> in â, ê, î, ô)
>
> Have you enabled Keyboard Viewer it in System Preferences > International >
> Input Menu?
>
> Otto
Aha.
Last set of comments didn't mention how to make an accent. In other
words, the words "typing a vowel after that..." was missing.
Now I understand. Thanks.
keith
- 1.3.
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Re: '2func' needed ???
Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com nikyzf
Sun Jan 8, 2012 5:27 am (PST)
On 8 January 2012 13:00, Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com > wrote:
>
> Aha.
> Last set of comments didn't mention how to make an accent. In other
> words, the words "typing a vowel after that..." was missing.
> Now I understand. Thanks.
>
Yes, and the same applies to the other common accents.
option-e ´ (acute accent, as in á, é, í, ó, ú)
option-` (grave accent, as in à, è, ì, ò, ù)
option-u ¨ (umlaut or diaeresis, as in ä, ë, ï, ö, ü)
option-n (tilde, as in ñ)
You can do an awful lot using key combos!
Otto
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Re: '2func' needed ???
Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com keith9600
Sun Jan 8, 2012 10:58 am (PST)
Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> On 8 January 2012 13:00, Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com
> <mailto:keith_w%40dslextreme. com>> wrote:
>
> >
> > Aha.
> > Last set of comments didn't mention how to make an accent. In other
> > words, the words "typing a vowel after that..." was missing.
> > Now I understand. Thanks.
> >
> Yes, and the same applies to the other common accents.
> option-e ´ (acute accent, as in á, é, Ã, ó, ú)
> option-` (grave accent, as in à , è, ì, ò, ù)
> option-u ¨ (umlaut or diaeresis, as in ä, ë, ï, ö, ü)
> option-n (tilde, as in ñ)
>
> You can do an awful lot using key combos!
>
> Otto
Oh yes, very true. Just so rarely use them, it slips my mind.
Thanks, keith
- 1.5.
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Re: '2func' needed ???
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:09 am (PST)
Howdy.
Keith, this is sort of font basics.
Not all installed fonts will have the same set of accented characters.
You can use Character Viewer to find fonts with the characters and
accented characters and symbols that you want to use.
The version of Character Viewer in Lion is much harder to figure out
that Character Viewer in previous versions of Mac OS X and going back
to Mac OS 9, 8, 7, etc.
I've sent you directly a screen capture from my Character Viewer that
shows how to find a font with letter e circumflex.
Denver Dan
On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:54:47 -0800, Keith Whaley wrote:
> Denver Dan wrote:
>> Howdy.
>>
>> You are referring to a symbol used in writing characters in some
>> languages.
>>
>> This is not the same as the caret symbol for computer use. The two
>> characters are even somewhat differently shaped.
>>
>> The circumflex should be available if you press Shift Option i.
>>
>> If you will open your Keyboard Viewer, you will see the caret symbol on
>> the Control key.
>>
>> Denver Dan
>
> Shift-Option-i gives me this symbol: ¡Z
>
> Which is not at all like the ^ above the 6.
>
> Also, my Keyboard Viewer will not open for some reason. Sighhh.
>
> keith
- 2a.
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Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal
Posted by: "Larson" pix@maksimo.de yovard@ymail.com
Sun Jan 8, 2012 6:50 am (PST)
On 07.01.2012, at 05:19, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:58 AM, Larson wrote:
>
>> I would like to know what kind of CRM (customer relationship
>> management) program Randy B. Singer is using as a lawyer (…)
> You can find a list of Mac PIM's here (…):
> http://www.macattorney.com/lomgmt. html#Anchor- Personal- 7905
Thank you very much for the list. So if I understand you correctly, you are not using any CRM programs yourself, you use Address Book and iCal.
I found the attorney related software particularly interesting. Do you know if there are comprehensive software lists for Mac users available for other branches? I have seen such lists for science and medicine and of course for photographers and musicians but never for the humanities (i.e. for historians, linguists or literary scholarship [except bibliography software].) Many good software is not listed on MacUpdate <http://www.macupdate.com/about/ > — just noticed right now, for example, that Le Petit Robert is not there, but they have it in the Mac App Store, don't know if it corresponds exactly to the written version or whether it is a simplified extract from the original, just like Mac Merriam-Webster and the online Merriam-Webster are abridged versions of Webster' Third New International Dictionary. )
> Address Book and iCal are extremely competent
Address Book has no spell checker. *Everyone* mistypes words and names occasionally. I just found out that I have a vast number of contacts from countries that do not exist (Deutsland, Deutscland, Deutschand, Deutschlnd, Deutshland …), so searching within Address Book for attorneys from Germany will be hit-or-miss.
A standard entry method in all good databases (and Address Book is a sort of primitive database) is automatic data entry as an option in fields like "City" and "Country", that speeds up operations and helps keeping entries consistent (i.e. either USA or U.S.A., not both).
In Address Book there is no way to change the font or enlarge it, would be good for my weary eyes.
In Address Book there are no colors to mark important passages and let them stand out for quick retrieval.
In Address Book there is no way to export contacts as a tab delimited file (for FileMaker Pro for example, or other databases).
How can you link a contact in Address Book to important files? Can you do that? NO.
How can you link a contact to emails? Can you do that? In Address Book NO.
How can you link a contact to meetings? Can you do that? NO.
How can you assign To-do's to a contact? Can you do that? NO.
As far as I can see, all these very basic features are missing. I'm not asking for a full powered CRM program, just the basic features to link contacts, documents, meetings and To-dos. iCal can link documents to meetings, but Address Book is kids' stuff, I think, and still has a long way to go before it can be considered a serious choice for sophisticated users.
> Most Mac users use them, and are very happy with them.
I remember someone here asked about the last item/project Steve Jobs worked on because he wanted to buy that item, no matter what it was, as a devotional object so to say, just because it was an Apple product and Steve Jobs had worked on it.
Quite scaring.
Anna
- 2b.
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Re: Looking for an alternative to Address Book and iCal
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com
Sun Jan 8, 2012 9:56 am (PST)
On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Larson wrote:
> As far as I can see, all these very basic features are missing. I'm not asking for a full powered CRM program, just the basic features to link contacts, documents, meetings and To-dos. iCal can link documents to meetings, but Address Book is kids' stuff, I think, and still has a long way to go before it can be considered a serious choice for sophisticated users.
>
>> Most Mac users use them, and are very happy with them.
>
AddressBook is a completely free address book program. It is not a business tool. If you want a business tool, you will likely need to buy one.
> I remember someone here asked about the last item/project Steve Jobs worked on because he wanted to buy that item, no matter what it was, as a devotional object so to say, just because it was an Apple product and Steve Jobs had worked on it.
>
> Quite scaring.
>
>
> Anna
What are you scared of?
Daly
- 3a.
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Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "The Wizard who eats Gizards" THEWIZARDOFAZ@COX.NET wizardofaz2002
Sun Jan 8, 2012 9:23 am (PST)
I just noticed that the "bounce" capability in Mail is gone. I like to use it to bounce unsolicited email to the sender. Is there a way to get it back?
Rick
- 3b.
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Barb Adamski" adamski@telus.net bkadamski
Sun Jan 8, 2012 9:46 am (PST)
I still have it under "Message."
b
********************* ********* ********* *********
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writing, editing, proofreading & photography
www.barbadamski.com
www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
On 2012-01-08, at 9:23 AM, The Wizard who eats Gizards wrote:
> I just noticed that the "bounce" capability in Mail is gone. I like to use it to bounce unsolicited email to the sender. Is there a way to get it back?
>
> Rick
>
>
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk bobstermcbob
Sun Jan 8, 2012 9:50 am (PST)
Hi,
Its gone in Lion. For good reasons, as its a bad idea in the first place.
Plenty of articles on the web explaining g why, for instance
http://www.dontbouncespam.org/
Chris
On 8 Jan 2012, at 5:46pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
> I still have it under "Message."
>
>
> b
>
> ********************* ********* ********* *********
> Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
> writing, editing, proofreading & photography
> www.barbadamski.com
> www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
>
>
>
> On 2012-01-08, at 9:23 AM, The Wizard who eats Gizards wrote:
>
>> I just noticed that the "bounce" capability in Mail is gone. I like to use it to bounce unsolicited email to the sender. Is there a way to get it back?
>>
>> Rick
>>
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Curt Hudson" curt183@snip.net orion183
Sun Jan 8, 2012 9:54 am (PST)
It must have been restored in an update; I noticed it missing a few months ago and hadn't checked..
Curt
On Jan 8, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Barb Adamski wrote:
> I still have it under "Message."
>
>
> b
>
> ********************* ********* ********* *********
> Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
> writing, editing, proofreading & photography
> www.barbadamski.com
> www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
>
>
>
> On 2012-01-08, at 9:23 AM, The Wizard who eats Gizards wrote:
>
>> I just noticed that the "bounce" capability in Mail is gone. I like to use it to bounce unsolicited email to the sender. Is there a way to get it back?
>>
>> Rick
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Re: Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com keith9600
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:04 am (PST)
Barb Adamski wrote:
> I still have it under "Message."
>
>
> b
>
> *********************
> Barbara K. Adamski
1. What OS are you using, please, and
2. What is specifically under 'Message' that allows that?
Thanks, keith
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Re: Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com keith9600
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:08 am (PST)
Chris Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Its gone in Lion. For good reasons, as its a bad idea in the first place.
> Plenty of articles on the web explaining g why, for instance
>
> http://www.dontbouncespam.org/
>
> Chris
Good info, Chris. Thanks, keith whaley
- 3g.
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:20 am (PST)
Oh. Now I get why suddenly I have started getting so much more junk mail in my inbox after I've upgraded to Lion last year.
Although, I've been advocating to so many people that email is now passe, but my email use has gone up and I thought it because of that. I never realized that the Mail app has given up on fighting spam
On 09-Jan-2012, at 12:38 AM, Keith Whaley wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Its gone in Lion. For good reasons, as its a bad idea in the first place.
> > Plenty of articles on the web explaining g why, for instance
> >
> > http://www.dontbouncespam.org/
> >
> > Chris
>
> Good info, Chris. Thanks, keith whaley
>
>
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk bobstermcbob
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:25 am (PST)
On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:20pm, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> Oh. Now I get why suddenly I have started getting so much more junk mail in my inbox after I've upgraded to Lion last year.
>
> Although, I've been advocating to so many people that email is now passe, but my email use has gone up and I thought it because of that. I never realized that the Mail app has given up on fighting spam
It hasn't. Fighting spam and bouncing messages are not the same thing. Mail in Lion still has extensive preferences to handle "Junk Email". The 'correct' way to handle spam is to just delete it, or move it to a folder so you don't see it in your inbox. Bouncing it back is not the correct thing to do.
Chris
>
> On 09-Jan-2012, at 12:38 AM, Keith Whaley wrote:
>
>> Chris Jones wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Its gone in Lion. For good reasons, as its a bad idea in the first place.
>>> Plenty of articles on the web explaining g why, for instance
>>>
>>> http://www.dontbouncespam.org/
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> Good info, Chris. Thanks, keith whaley
>>
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Barb Adamski" adamski@telus.net bkadamski
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:27 am (PST)
Ah, I haven't upgraded to Lion yet.
I liked the "bounce" function. I didn't use it for real spam, but for people I barely knew who happened to send me stupid jokes and chain letters, for parents of my kid's teammates who somehow thought it appropriate to promote their businesses to team lists, etc.
Barb
********************* ********* ********* *********
Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
writing, editing, proofreading & photography
www.barbadamski.com
www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
On 2012-01-08, at 11:08 AM, Keith Whaley wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Its gone in Lion. For good reasons, as its a bad idea in the first place.
> > Plenty of articles on the web explaining g why, for instance
> >
> > http://www.dontbouncespam.org/
> >
> > Chris
>
> Good info, Chris. Thanks, keith whaley
>
>
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk bobstermcbob
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:32 am (PST)
Hi,
On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:27pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
> Ah, I haven't upgraded to Lion yet.
>
> I liked the "bounce" function. I didn't use it for real spam, but for people I barely knew who happened to send me stupid jokes and chain letters, for parents of my kid's teammates who somehow thought it appropriate to promote their businesses to team lists, etc.
In which case just reply, asking them politely not to do it again.. If you just bounce it, they may not understand why you did it...
>
> Barb
>
> ********************* ********* ********* *********
> Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
> writing, editing, proofreading & photography
> www.barbadamski.com
> www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
>
>
>
> On 2012-01-08, at 11:08 AM, Keith Whaley wrote:
>
>> Chris Jones wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Its gone in Lion. For good reasons, as its a bad idea in the first place.
>>> Plenty of articles on the web explaining g why, for instance
>>>
>>> http://www.dontbouncespam.org/
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> Good info, Chris. Thanks, keith whaley
>>
>>
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Barb Adamski" adamski@telus.net bkadamski
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:35 am (PST)
No, this works. They assume they have the wrong address and take me off the list.
********************* ********* ********* *********
Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
writing, editing, proofreading & photography
www.barbadamski.com
www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
On 2012-01-08, at 11:32 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:27pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
>
> > Ah, I haven't upgraded to Lion yet.
> >
> > I liked the "bounce" function. I didn't use it for real spam, but for people I barely knew who happened to send me stupid jokes and chain letters, for parents of my kid's teammates who somehow thought it appropriate to promote their businesses to team lists, etc.
>
> In which case just reply, asking them politely not to do it again.. If you just bounce it, they may not understand why you did it...
>
> >
> > Barb
> >
> > ********************* ********* ********* *********
> > Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
> > writing, editing, proofreading & photography
> > www.barbadamski.com
> > www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
> >
> >
>
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk bobstermcbob
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:39 am (PST)
On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:35pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
> No, this works. They assume they have the wrong address and take me off the list.
It didn't say it wouldn't work. Just that replying is an alternative to bouncing that would achieve the same end result.
>
> ********************* ********* ********* *********
> Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
> writing, editing, proofreading & photography
> www.barbadamski.com
> www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
>
>
>
> On 2012-01-08, at 11:32 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:27pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, I haven't upgraded to Lion yet.
>>>
>>> I liked the "bounce" function. I didn't use it for real spam, but for people I barely knew who happened to send me stupid jokes and chain letters, for parents of my kid's teammates who somehow thought it appropriate to promote their businesses to team lists, etc.
>>
>> In which case just reply, asking them politely not to do it again.. If you just bounce it, they may not understand why you did it...
>>
>>>
>>> Barb
>>>
>>> ********************* ********* ********* *********
>>> Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
>>> writing, editing, proofreading & photography
>>> www.barbadamski.com
>>> www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Barb Adamski" adamski@telus.net bkadamski
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:46 am (PST)
It's a lot more work, especially if they reply...
b
********************* ********* ********* *********
Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
writing, editing, proofreading & photography
www.barbadamski.com
www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
On 2012-01-08, at 11:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>
> On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:35pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
>
> > No, this works. They assume they have the wrong address and take me off the list.
>
> It didn't say it wouldn't work. Just that replying is an alternative to bouncing that would achieve the same end result.
>
> >
> > ********************* ********* ********* *********
> > Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
> > writing, editing, proofreading & photography
> > www.barbadamski.com
> > www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2012-01-08, at 11:32 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:27pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ah, I haven't upgraded to Lion yet.
> >>>
> >>> I liked the "bounce" function. I didn't use it for real spam, but for people I barely knew who happened to send me stupid jokes and chain letters, for parents of my kid's teammates who somehow thought it appropriate to promote their businesses to team lists, etc.
> >>
> >> In which case just reply, asking them politely not to do it again.. If you just bounce it, they may not understand why you did it...
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Barb
> >>>
> >>> ********************* ********* ********* *********
> >>> Barbara K. Adamski, MA, certified proofreader
> >>> writing, editing, proofreading & photography
> >>> www.barbadamski.com
> >>> www.barbadamski.photoshelter. com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk bobstermcbob
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:51 am (PST)
On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:46pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
> It's a lot more work, especially if they reply…
But more polite I would say ;)
Let leave this discussion here.
> b
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> On 2012-01-08, at 11:39 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
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>> On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:35pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
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>>> No, this works. They assume they have the wrong address and take me off the list.
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>> It didn't say it wouldn't work. Just that replying is an alternative to bouncing that would achieve the same end result.
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>>> On 2012-01-08, at 11:32 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
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>>>> Hi,
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>>>> On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:27pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
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>>>>> Ah, I haven't upgraded to Lion yet.
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>>>>> I liked the "bounce" function. I didn't use it for real spam, but for people I barely knew who happened to send me stupid jokes and chain letters, for parents of my kid's teammates who somehow thought it appropriate to promote their businesses to team lists, etc.
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>>>> In which case just reply, asking them politely not to do it again.. If you just bounce it, they may not understand why you did it...
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Re: [macsupport] Mail app…where did Bounce go?
Posted by: "Barb Adamski" adamski@telus.net bkadamski
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:54 am (PST)
Polite would be not sending the junk mail in the first place...
On 2012-01-08, at 11:50 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
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> On 8 Jan 2012, at 7:46pm, Barb Adamski wrote:
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>> It's a lot more work, especially if they replyâˆ'
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> But more polite I would say ;)
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More AppleCare Help is needed
Posted by: "Arjun Singhal" arjunsinghal@yahoo.com arjunsinghal
Sun Jan 8, 2012 10:29 am (PST)
Hi
I recently wrote a post about the free space on my Late 2011 Macbook Pro not clearing out. Since I have two of these notebooks, I tried to understand why this is happening on the second one as well, and I see that both the late 2011 MBPs 15in, are giving this trouble. Even after you've deleted the files, you need to go and erase free space using Disk Utility.
I had to call Apple Care over the telephone to get the resolution, even to be able to understand that this operation needed to be done manually, and I am surprised this is happening all the time.
I have two late 2010 MacBook Pros as well - all machines are running Lion, and my earlier Late 2008 edition MBP was running Lion as well, and none of those machines required this exercise of manually needing to empty free space.
Also, there is no recovery partition on the late 2011 models. I read a thread that says Lion re-downloads over the internet, which is astonishing, because in some places, there is hardly any internet connectivity. I recently tried subscribing to the recently deployed Wi-Max, but their connectivity is very patchy. Now if someone is using internet just on Wi-Max, and I am assuming there are a whole lot of people who don't connect to the internet all the time, and require low-bandwidth connections - where are they supposed to go to recover their computer? We don't get Lion thumb drives in Indian stores. And it's impossible to download Lion from the App Store and make your own thumb drive, because Lion won't download if you're already on Lion.
This time I am feeling very nervous while sharing my apprehension, because last time I received responses from one or two folks who were greatly offended by the part that they "believe" things are perfect with their Apple systems. But right now I am feeling lost. Its Sunday - there is no apple care available on phone. And I've never felt in need for help like this before. I got these machines on 28th November and 4th December, and I am foxed.
I've used Microsoft machines since 1988, and have been using computers since I was 6 years old. The only time I called Microsoft was when Windows activation couldn't connect over the phone. No other technical help was needed ever that prevented me from using the computer.
Right now, I've deleted about 140 Gigs of data from my iTunes library, and I am still sitting without any free space on my hard disk. Weird!
Regards,
Arjun
blowtrumpet.com
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Re: More AppleCare Help is needed
Posted by: "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net jamesrob328i
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:40 am (PST)
On Jan 8, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> I've used Microsoft machines since 1988, and have been using computers since I was 6 years old. The only time I called Microsoft was when Windows activation couldn't connect over the phone. No other technical help was needed ever that prevented me from using the computer.
>
> Right now, I've deleted about 140 Gigs of data from my iTunes library, and I am still sitting without any free space on my hard disk. Weird!
I'll make an initial suggestion. I'm not a techie, but I've faced similar problems myself recently trying to upgrade to Lion on a MacBook Pro that had plenty of free space but wouldn't allow me to migrate my Fusion virtual machines. Turns out, when I downloaded iDefrag and inspected my free space with it, that my free space was fragmented, and the Migration Assistant permit writing the enormous Mac OS files (many Gigabytes) that encapsulate my virtual machines.
I used iDefrag to fix this, and everything was solved.
How it could be that there's no recovery partition on your laptops I can't address. it's supposed to be something that happens automatically when the installer software puts Lion on your computers. You're still in deep trouble if you don't have internet access, of course, so most people DO make a copy of the installer itself that they put on a thumb drive if they've installed Lion by getting it from the Mac App Store (it's in your downloads folder until you run it, and may still be retrievable afterwards - I don't remember that part).
If you use CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper! and have it clone your startup volume by copying files rather than doing a block level copy, that should also defragment your free space.
Hope that helps, and that the people with more sophisticated technical knowledge will correct anything I've got wrong here.
--
Jim Robertson
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Re: More AppleCare Help is needed
Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net denverdan22180
Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:50 am (PST)
Howdy.
I'll try to figure out what is going on but need some questions
answered.
Sometimes when I ask a series of specific questions and number them
some folks think I'm being rude. I'm not. Just trying to pin things
down.
1. Do you have normal access to broadband Internet? High speed
internet?
2. What do you consider to be high speed for your internet
connection? How fast will it download?
For example, if connected to a fast server, my connection will
sometimes download as fast as 36,000 kbps (kilo bits per second). Is
that slow or fast for your own experience?
3. How do you know your two late 2011 Macs do not have a Recovery
Partition?
Since the Recovery Partition is invisible it can't be seen in Finder
and can't be seen in Disk Utility.
How, specifically, have you tried to boot from the Recovery Partition?
4. Have you tried booting from the invisible Recovery Partition?
5. When you first installed Mac OS X 10.7 Lion it must have been by
downloading. When you did this did you burn a Mac OS X 10.7 Lion
Install DVD disc? This is done BEFORE installing Mac OS X 10.7 Lion
and done from what is downloaded.
Some more info:
<http://www.smartin.in/mac-os- >x-lion-offline- installer- setup-without- internet/
6. Do your computers have 2nd hard drives? External hard drivers?
7. I realize this is a very obvious questions but I have to ask. Do
you use the Empty Trash command found under the Finder menu?
8. Have you installed a Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Recovery Partition on an
external hard drive?
9. Could you purchase the Mac OS X 10.7 Lion USB Thumb Drive from the
US Apple Store? It's $69.95 USD.
I looked at Apple India online and found 7 Premium Apple resellers
listed in the New Delhi area. I don't know what region of India you
are in but apparently there are Apple dealers that could have what you
need.
I can't help with spotty WiFi, WiMax, or Internet access and broadband
in India. This is a problem in many larger countries. It's a problem
for some of the US members of MacSupportCentral and for folks in other
countries. It's certainly a problem in the United States which covers
tens of thousands of kilometers in distance from well above the Arctic
Circle to distant islands in the Pacific, deserts, tundras, a lot of
mountain ranges, and on to Caribbean Islands.
Denver Dan
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 23:59:25 +0530, Arjun Singhal wrote:
> I recently wrote a post about the free space on my Late 2011 Macbook
> Pro not clearing out. Since I have two of these notebooks, I tried to
> understand why this is happening on the second one as well, and I see
> that both the late 2011 MBPs 15in, are giving this trouble. Even
> after you've deleted the files, you need to go and erase free space
> using Disk Utility.
>
> I had to call Apple Care over the telephone to get the resolution,
> even to be able to understand that this operation needed to be done
> manually, and I am surprised this is happening all the time.
>
> I have two late 2010 MacBook Pros as well - all machines are running
> Lion, and my earlier Late 2008 edition MBP was running Lion as well,
> and none of those machines required this exercise of manually needing
> to empty free space.
>
> Also, there is no recovery partition on the late 2011 models. I read
> a thread that says Lion re-downloads over the internet, which is
> astonishing, because in some places, there is hardly any internet
> connectivity. I recently tried subscribing to the recently deployed
> Wi-Max, but their connectivity is very patchy. Now if someone is
> using internet just on Wi-Max, and I am assuming there are a whole
> lot of people who don't connect to the internet all the time, and
> require low-bandwidth connections - where are they supposed to go to
> recover their computer? We don't get Lion thumb drives in Indian
> stores. And it's impossible to download Lion from the App Store and
> make your own thumb drive, because Lion won't download if you're
> already on Lion.
>
> This time I am feeling very nervous while sharing my apprehension,
> because last time I received responses from one or two folks who were
> greatly offended by the part that they "believe" things are perfect
> with their Apple systems. But right now I am feeling lost. Its Sunday
> - there is no apple care available on phone. And I've never felt in
> need for help like this before. I got these machines on 28th November
> and 4th December, and I am foxed.
>
> I've used Microsoft machines since 1988, and have been using
> computers since I was 6 years old. The only time I called Microsoft
> was when Windows activation couldn't connect over the phone. No other
> technical help was needed ever that prevented me from using the
> computer.
>
> Right now, I've deleted about 140 Gigs of data from my iTunes
> library, and I am still sitting without any free space on my hard
> disk. Weird!
>
> Regards,
> Arjun
> blowtrumpet.com
>
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