9/25/2011

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Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "LouisD" lou@loudina.com   ldina

Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:56 am (PDT)



Hi folks. I need to add some storage to my MacPro Tower, 8-core, 2.26Mhz, 16GB RAM.

I currently have three internal drives (640GB O/S drive, 1TB Data drive, and 1TB backup). I have one available bay. I want to be sure I get a good drive that is reasonably fast and 100% compatible with my Mac. (I've had problems with incompatible drives before and it really messed with the stability of my system.)

I was thinking of two possible routes.

1. Add a solid state drive to replace my 640 GB O/S drive. I am currently using about 120 GB on my OS drive for OSX 10.6.8, programs and some files. (I keep most of my data files on a separate 1TB hard drive.) I am guessing I'd probably want a 256GB SSD if I go this route. Then, I can use my current 640GB O/S drive for my other storage needs. That may be the pricier option, and I don't know anything about SSDs except that they are fast.

2. Route 2 - Just buy another conventional 1TB SATA hard drive. I'll also be buying another SATA drive to use for external backups with my hard drive docking station (accepts internal SATA drives).

I'd appreciate some recommendations and any cautions you might have. Any suggestions on where to buy, models and makes of hard drives to consider (or avoid)?

Appreciate the help!!

Thanks,

Lou Dina

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Collin" Collinwhuber@aol.com   collinwhuber

Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:32 am (PDT)



If you're looking for a decent amount of storage on a fast drive that's not too expensive, you might try a 15,000 rpm drive. Here's one that would probably be a good choice for you http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Seagate/ST3450857SS/ . Your current hard drives are most likely 7200 rpm drives, so bumping up to 15,000 rpm should give you a noticeable difference in boot up speed and application launches. What are your thoughts on that option?

- Collin

Sent from my iPad 2

On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:56 AM, "LouisD" <lou@loudina.com> wrote:

> Hi folks. I need to add some storage to my MacPro Tower, 8-core, 2.26Mhz, 16GB RAM.
>
> I currently have three internal drives (640GB O/S drive, 1TB Data drive, and 1TB backup). I have one available bay. I want to be sure I get a good drive that is reasonably fast and 100% compatible with my Mac. (I've had problems with incompatible drives before and it really messed with the stability of my system.)
>
> I was thinking of two possible routes.
>
> 1. Add a solid state drive to replace my 640 GB O/S drive. I am currently using about 120 GB on my OS drive for OSX 10.6.8, programs and some files. (I keep most of my data files on a separate 1TB hard drive.) I am guessing I'd probably want a 256GB SSD if I go this route. Then, I can use my current 640GB O/S drive for my other storage needs. That may be the pricier option, and I don't know anything about SSDs except that they are fast.
>
> 2. Route 2 - Just buy another conventional 1TB SATA hard drive. I'll also be buying another SATA drive to use for external backups with my hard drive docking station (accepts internal SATA drives).
>
> I'd appreciate some recommendations and any cautions you might have. Any suggestions on where to buy, models and makes of hard drives to consider (or avoid)?
>
> Appreciate the help!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lou Dina
>
>

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "LouisD" lou@loudina.com   ldina

Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:10 am (PDT)



Thanks, Collin.

You're right—all my current drives are 7200 rpm. Definitely an option I hadn't thought of. I'll wait to see what other suggestions come up, but I will definitely look into 15K RPM drives. I appreciate the feedback. Thanks.

Lou

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Collin <Collinwhuber@...> wrote:
>
> If you're looking for a decent amount of storage on a fast drive that's not too expensive, you might try a 15,000 rpm drive. Here's one that would probably be a good choice for you http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Seagate/ST3450857SS/ . Your current hard drives are most likely 7200 rpm drives, so bumping up to 15,000 rpm should give you a noticeable difference in boot up speed and application launches. What are your thoughts on that option?
>
> - Collin
>
> Sent from my iPad 2
>
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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:32 am (PDT)



Howdy.

Lou, I recently bought a Seagate 2 TB Extreme Speed internal HD for my
MacPro tower for the bay 1 drawer (and for the boot drive).

I'm not sure yet that 2 TB drives are as reliable as smaller capacity
hard drives so this is a bit of an experiment.

Seagate makes these "Extreme Speed" bare drives with a larger cache but
the RPM is still the standard 7200 RPM.

This new Seagate ES is faster than the older HD.

One thing you could consider is using two of your MacPro drive bays to
install a matched pair of fast drives and then configure them as a
striped RAID. For very large files, this could give you a nice little
speed increase. For regular size files like a one page text file memo,
you won't see much of a difference.

SSD is coming down in price and going up in capacity but price and
capacity still haven't merged into a cost effective place for average
users.

In addition, with SSD drives, I'm not yet certain about their sort of
equivalent of disk fragmentation and whether that is now under
control. It's supposed to be a non issue now on boot SSD drives on
recent Mac systems but whether this extends to a 2nd internal SSD or
external SSD I don't know. I'm still learning about this issue.

Here's an article from Gizmodo on SSD fragmenting to get folks started
on some awareness of this issue. This article, however, is from 2009.

<http://gizmodo.com/5157015/intel-ssds-may-suffer-from-irreparable-fragmentation-slowdowns>

There's more to this topic than just this one article and changes in
how OSs deal with this have been made since the article was published.

Denver Dan

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 12:56:03 +0000, LouisD wrote:
> I currently have three internal drives (640GB O/S drive, 1TB Data
> drive, and 1TB backup). I have one available bay. I want to be sure I
> get a good drive that is reasonably fast and 100% compatible with my
> Mac. (I've had problems with incompatible drives before and it really
> messed with the stability of my system.)
>
> I was thinking of two possible routes.
>
> 1. Add a solid state drive to replace my 640 GB O/S drive. I am
> currently using about 120 GB on my OS drive for OSX 10.6.8, programs
> and some files. (I keep most of my data files on a separate 1TB hard
> drive.) I am guessing I'd probably want a 256GB SSD if I go this
> route. Then, I can use my current 640GB O/S drive for my other
> storage needs. That may be the pricier option, and I don't know
> anything about SSDs except that they are fast.
>
> 2. Route 2 - Just buy another conventional 1TB SATA hard drive. I'll
> also be buying another SATA drive to use for external backups with my
> hard drive docking station (accepts internal SATA drives).
>
> I'd appreciate some recommendations and any cautions you might have.
> Any suggestions on where to buy, models and makes of hard drives to
> consider (or avoid)?
>
> Appreciate the help!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lou Dina

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:07 am (PDT)



Also "hybrid drives":

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3734/seagates-momentus-xt-review-finally-a-good-hybrid-hdd

http://www.barefeats.com/hard134.html

What works best depends on priorities. If space is the priority, 2TB-5400rpm is the sweet spot. If it's speed, then SSD, hybrid, or 15,000rpm depending on budget and details.

Personally, I think an SSD is less valuable in desktops than laptops simply because laptops "reload" so much more frequently. Of course if you play a data heavy game and want to load everything on the system drive, the faster the better.

Cheers,
tod

On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:56 AM, LouisD wrote:

> Hi folks. I need to add some storage to my MacPro Tower, 8-core, 2.26Mhz, 16GB RAM.
>
> I currently have three internal drives (640GB O/S drive, 1TB Data drive, and 1TB backup). I have one available bay. I want to be sure I get a good drive that is reasonably fast and 100% compatible with my Mac. (I've had problems with incompatible drives before and it really messed with the stability of my system.)
>
> I was thinking of two possible routes.
>
> 1. Add a solid state drive to replace my 640 GB O/S drive. I am currently using about 120 GB on my OS drive for OSX 10.6.8, programs and some files. (I keep most of my data files on a separate 1TB hard drive.) I am guessing I'd probably want a 256GB SSD if I go this route. Then, I can use my current 640GB O/S drive for my other storage needs. That may be the pricier option, and I don't know anything about SSDs except that they are fast.
>
> 2. Route 2 - Just buy another conventional 1TB SATA hard drive. I'll also be buying another SATA drive to use for external backups with my hard drive docking station (accepts internal SATA drives).
>
> I'd appreciate some recommendations and any cautions you might have. Any suggestions on where to buy, models and makes of hard drives to consider (or avoid)?
>
> Appreciate the help!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lou Dina
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "LouisD" lou@loudina.com   ldina

Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:00 am (PDT)



Dan/Tod,

Thanks for all the info. I'm learning a lot here (as usual). Not sure which way I will go yet.

I need more storage and plan on using my current 640GB MacHD for that. I'll use a newer, faster drive for O/S and programs. I want to speed up loading and file operations with Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, Acrobat and other processor intensive applications. I often have 7 or 8 power-hungry apps open at the same time. It's not really "dogging" along now, but it isn't screaming either—if I am going to add a drive, might as well make it faster.

Since I currently have only about 128GB loaded on my Mac HDD (OS, programs, etc), I figured I'd want at least a 256 or 320 GB drive, and probably larger, maybe 500 GB or so. You experienced folks can correct me if you think I am wrong, which I may well be.

Thanks again,

Lou

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:00 pm (PDT)



SSD would certainly speed things up, but start comparing prices. SSDs are way down but still an expensive way to speed things up. For what you are describing, your money might be better spent maxing memory if you haven't.

Hybrids a bit cheaper but look at the articles. Their strengths may not be right for you. A 15,000rpm drive might hit the sweet spot.

Cheers,
tod

On Sep 25, 2011, at 2:00 PM, LouisD wrote:

> Dan/Tod,
>
> Thanks for all the info. I'm learning a lot here (as usual). Not sure which way I will go yet.
>
> I need more storage and plan on using my current 640GB MacHD for that. I'll use a newer, faster drive for O/S and programs. I want to speed up loading and file operations with Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, Acrobat and other processor intensive applications. I often have 7 or 8 power-hungry apps open at the same time. It's not really "dogging" along now, but it isn't screaming either—if I am going to add a drive, might as well make it faster.
>
> Since I currently have only about 128GB loaded on my Mac HDD (OS, programs, etc), I figured I'd want at least a 256 or 320 GB drive, and probably larger, maybe 500 GB or so. You experienced folks can correct me if you think I am wrong, which I may well be.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Lou
>
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:45 pm (PDT)



On 9/25/2011 6:00 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> SSD would certainly speed things up, but start comparing prices. SSDs are way down but still an expensive way to speed things up. For what you are describing, your money might be better spent maxing memory if you haven't.
>
> Hybrids a bit cheaper but look at the articles. Their strengths may not be right for you. A 15,000rpm drive might hit the sweet spot.
>
> Cheers,
> tod
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2011, at 2:00 PM, LouisD wrote:
>
>> > Dan/Tod,
>> >
>> > Thanks for all the info. I'm learning a lot here (as usual). Not sure which way I will go yet.
>> >
>> > I need more storage and plan on using my current 640GB MacHD for that. I'll use a newer, faster drive for O/S and programs. I want to speed up loading and file operations with Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, Acrobat and other processor intensive applications. I often have 7 or 8 power-hungry apps open at the same time. It's not really "dogging" along now, but it isn't screaming either—if I am going to add a drive, might as well make it faster.
>> >
>> > Since I currently have only about 128GB loaded on my Mac HDD (OS, programs, etc), I figured I'd want at least a 256 or 320 GB drive, and probably larger, maybe 500 GB or so. You experienced folks can correct me if you think I am wrong, which I may well be.
>> >

In looking at alternative storage options myself, it seems as if OWC has
very competitive prices as well as their well known support behind them.

I am looking at the smallest model, 30gb, for $68, and it seems
reasonable to me. The questions I have are, what would I do with the
drive aside from having the OS on it for boot and runtime stuff. Would I
want all of my applications on the SSD, in which case, 30gb is probably
not large enough.

I'm aware that all of my data will be on another magnetic drive, so that
is not an issue.

There are some applications out there that require installation directly
on the system drive in /Applications. If I go over the 30gb with these,
it will have been a waste of money.

Is there a way, short of actually installing elsewhere, of finding out
if an app can run from a secondary drive?

BTW...OWCs SSDs are here: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/

Harry

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:08 pm (PDT)



> In looking at alternative storage options myself, it seems as if OWC has very competitive prices as well as their well known support behind them.
>
> I am looking at the smallest model, 30gb, for $68, and it seems reasonable to me. The questions I have are, what would I do with the drive aside from having the OS on it for boot and runtime stuff. Would I want all of my applications on the SSD, in which case, 30gb is probably not large enough.
>
> I'm aware that all of my data will be on another magnetic drive, so that is not an issue.
>
> There are some applications out there that require installation directly on the system drive in /Applications. If I go over the 30gb with these, it will have been a waste of money.

Badly/incorrectly written ones only. (Yes, I have a few also.)

The entire contents of my Lion drive, exclusive of ./Users, is about 15.5 GB. I have additional applications in ./Users/Shared/Applications/ -- these total another 10 GB. The REST of ./Users is a little over 200 GB.

In your situation, with a SATA-2 bus, I would likely go with the 40- or 60-GB SSD, myself.

> Is there a way, short of actually installing elsewhere, of finding out if an app can run from a secondary drive?

When I install a 3rd-party App, it goes into ./Users/Shared/Applications/ by default.
Only if there is a problem with it running there do I consider moving it to ./Applications.

Do you have specific Apps in question here?

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:22 pm (PDT)



On 9/25/2011 7:08 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> > In looking at alternative storage options myself, it seems as if OWC
> has very competitive prices as well as their well known support behind
> them.
> >
> > I am looking at the smallest model, 30gb, for $68, and it seems
> reasonable to me. The questions I have are, what would I do with the
> drive aside from having the OS on it for boot and runtime stuff. Would
> I want all of my applications on the SSD, in which case, 30gb is
> probably not large enough.
> >
> > I'm aware that all of my data will be on another magnetic drive, so
> that is not an issue.
> >
> > There are some applications out there that require installation
> directly on the system drive in /Applications. If I go over the 30gb
> with these, it will have been a waste of money.
>
> Badly/incorrectly written ones only. (Yes, I have a few also.)
>
> The entire contents of my Lion drive, exclusive of ./Users, is about
> 15.5 GB. I have additional applications in
> ./Users/Shared/Applications/ -- these total another 10 GB. The REST of
> ./Users is a little over 200 GB.
>
> In your situation, with a SATA-2 bus, I would likely go with the 40-
> or 60-GB SSD, myself.
>
> > Is there a way, short of actually installing elsewhere, of finding
> out if an app can run from a secondary drive?
>
> When I install a 3rd-party App, it goes into
> ./Users/Shared/Applications/ by default.
> Only if there is a problem with it running there do I consider moving
> it to ./Applications.
>
> Do you have specific Apps in question here?

Thanks for the response, Jim. I was considering the 40 as a realistic
option, but was hoping to convince myself to spend less money. :)

I don't have specific apps in question, but I may start moving things
the the Shared account to ensure things go off without a hitch. That's
a pretty good idea, wish I had thought of installing apps under the
Shared 'account'.

Apps with specific installers generally have the option to install
elsewhere, and I don't remember coming across any of these that didn't
have that option, so I'm assuming that these too, are safe.

Will start relocating most programs and post if there's something that
doesn't look right.

Thanks again!

Harry

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:44 pm (PDT)



>> When I install a 3rd-party App, it goes into ./Users/Shared/Applications/ by default.
>> Only if there is a problem with it running there do I consider moving it to ./Applications.
>>
>> Do you have specific Apps in question here?
>
> Thanks for the response, Jim. I was considering the 40 as a realistic option, but was hoping to convince myself to spend less money. :)
>
> I don't have specific apps in question, but I may start moving things the the Shared account to ensure things go off without a hitch. That's a pretty good idea, wish I had thought of installing apps under the Shared 'account'.

*Very* early on (like 10 years ago or so) I decided I didn't like the way applications accumulated in ./Applications, with no organization at all.

Particularly since the OS updates didn't know about them, and might overwrite that directory with the new version, and lose all those guys.

So, early enough that I still had MacOS 9 stuff on the computer, I made 2 directories under ./Users/Shared/ -- "_X_Applications" and "_9_Applications". Then eventually lost the "9-ers"

Under _X_Apps I have subdirectories for _GamesX, _Graphics, _Sound, _Telecom, _Utilities, and _Words. And also a few Apps at the top level as well.

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:57 pm (PDT)



On 9/25/2011 7:43 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> *Very* early on (like 10 years ago or so) I decided I didn't like the
> way applications accumulated in ./Applications, with no organization
> at all.
>
> Particularly since the OS updates didn't know about them, and might
> overwrite that directory with the new version, and lose all those guys.
>
> So, early enough that I still had MacOS 9 stuff on the computer, I
> made 2 directories under ./Users/Shared/ -- "_X_Applications" and
> "_9_Applications". Then eventually lost the "9-ers"
>
> Under _X_Apps I have subdirectories for _GamesX, _Graphics, _Sound,
> _Telecom, _Utilities, and _Words. And also a few Apps at the top level
> as well.

This is particularly important to me now as actual structure could get
very messy if depending upon Launchpad to run applications. I don't
like using it, I stick with my Stacks.

Launchpad can organize the apps as they are viewed within itself, but
not on the physical disk.

My Applications folder has grown over the years, and it's time for a
good cleaning and organizing. I'll take your advice on storing them in
categories. I, too, have no more 9 and earlier applications, although I
had many at one point, including a costly Adobe application (forget
which one it was).

Harry

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MacBook Pro: Glossy vs. mat-finish screen

Posted by: "Jim Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net   jamesrob328i

Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:32 am (PDT)



Sometimes Apple just doesn't get it.

Yesterday, I went to one of my accessible Apple Retail stores. I wanted to
compare, side by side, 15 inch MacBook Pros - actually two different
comparisons:

1. Glossy vs. matt-finish screen
2. Standard vs. Hi-Res screen

I was able to answer #2 for myself using the display model with the Hi-Res
screen, by toggling the display to the standard vs. lower pixel density
(although curiously the latter wasn't exactly 1440 x 900). At my age, and
for my usage, there's no reason to pay extra for 11% more pixels on each
axis).

The former I couldn't do, because although the store had both on display,
they weren't next to each other on the table. The sales associate was quite
helpful (my wife has an earlier MacBook Pro with a matt finish display: he
suggested we take both computers outside simultaneously to see how much I
dislike the glossy screen under the worst of conditions, then watch DVD
movies on both to see how much more I'll LOVE the glossy screen for some
purposes.

I know this particular issue has been bandied about here many times
previously, but I'd be interested in hearing from some "switchers" (those
who thought they'd want glossy but jumped to the alternative and vice versa)
regarding whether or not they're happy with their decisions and why.

Thanks so much,

Jim Robertson
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Re: MacBook Pro: Glossy vs. mat-finish screen

Posted by: "Bob Cook" cookrd1@discoveryowners.com   cookrd1

Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:00 am (PDT)



On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Jim Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Sometimes Apple just doesn't get it.
>
> Yesterday, I went to one of my accessible Apple Retail stores. I wanted to
> compare, side by side, 15 inch MacBook Pros - actually two different
> comparisons:
>
> 1. Glossy vs. matt-finish screen
>

I have the glossy screen. I didn't think I would like it but I do. I have
skylights in my house and very bright in my motorcoach, and no problems.
However, it doesn't work nearly as well outside as the matte screen on my
Win PC, but how often do you use a laptop outside? Makes me wonder why all
my tablets, which should be able to be used outside, have glossy screens.

Bob

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Re: MacBook Pro: Glossy vs. mat-finish screen

Posted by: "jamesrob@sonic.net" jamesrob@sonic.net   jamesrob328i

Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:38 am (PDT)





--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Jim Robertson <jamesrob@...> wrote:
>
> Sometimes Apple just doesn't get it.
>
> Yesterday, I went to one of my accessible Apple Retail stores. I wanted to
> compare, side by side, 15 inch MacBook Pros - actually two different
> comparisons:
>
> 1. Glossy vs. matt-finish screen
> 2. Standard vs. Hi-Res screen

Big "oops" here. I just looked at the matrix of available configs on the Apple Online Store and discovered there's no option to pick glossy vs. matt finish UNLESS I choose the hi-res display, so that probably resolves the issue for me (the native resolution of the hi-res screen produces characters that can be too small for me to read comfortably; I WAS able to discern that in the Apple Retail Store yesterday).

Jim Robertson

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Re: MacBook Pro: Glossy vs. mat-finish screen

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:26 am (PDT)



> 1. Glossy vs. matt-finish screen
> ...
> The former I couldn't do, because although the store had both on display, they weren't next to each other on the table. The sales associate was quite helpful (my wife has an earlier MacBook Pro with a matt finish display: he suggested we take both computers outside simultaneously to see how much I dislike the glossy screen under the worst of conditions, then watch DVD movies on both to see how much more I'll LOVE the glossy screen for some purposes.
>
> I know this particular issue has been bandied about here many times previously, but I'd be interested in hearing from some "switchers" (those who thought they'd want glossy but jumped to the alternative and vice versa) regarding whether or not they're happy with their decisions and why.

Prior to the late 2008 Macbook Pro, a glossy screen was an *option*, while non-glare was the default (except the very first MBPro, for which glossy was unavailable).

I got non-glare.
My *present* MBPro is the first one for which there was no non-glare option, and I have disliked the display from the start.

And the times it bothers me the MOST is when watching movies or examining full-screen images for editing.

Having the colors "brighter" or "crisper" is kind of irrelevant when there are difficult-to-avoid reflections obscuring them.

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Alternative to Quicken for Lion

Posted by: "joan05061" jsax@me.com   joan05061

Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:01 am (PDT)



I believe a while back someone complained about "Quicken for the Mac" not being compatible with Lion. I purchased Quicken Essentials, that Intuit" (funny name for a company whose products are far from intuitive) hoping that I could easily convert my Quicken for Mac 2007 files to Quicken Essentials. Alas, no, it is behaving very quirkily, recognizing, for instance, files that I backed up a few months ago, but not the latest file. I am about to give up and ask for my money back and I wanted to know if anyone could suggest a different money management program that IS intuitive and works with Lion.

Joan in Vermont where there is a muggy Indian summer, leaves starting to turn but mosquitoes out in full force. Weird weather.

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Re: Alternative to Quicken for Lion

Posted by: "James C. Hamm" machamm@gmail.com   jimhamm90

Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:53 pm (PDT)



You might take a look at iBank for a Mac....Jim

http://download.cnet.com/iBank/3000-2057_4-10295723.html

On Sep 25, 2011, at 9:01 AM, joan05061 wrote:

> I believe a while back someone complained about "Quicken for the Mac" not being compatible with Lion. I purchased Quicken Essentials, that Intuit" (funny name for a company whose products are far from intuitive) hoping that I could easily convert my Quicken for Mac 2007 files to Quicken Essentials. Alas, no, it is behaving very quirkily, recognizing, for instance, files that I backed up a few months ago, but not the latest file. I am about to give up and ask for my money back and I wanted to know if anyone could suggest a different money management program that IS intuitive and works with Lion.
>
> Joan in Vermont where there is a muggy Indian summer, leaves starting to turn but mosquitoes out in full force. Weird weather.
>
>

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Re: Alternative to Quicken for Lion

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:51 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

Access our group on Yahoo with your browser and search about 30 to 90
days in past. There have been several posts on this topic including a
listing by Randy S of a variety of potential alternatives to Quicken.

Denver Dan

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:01:22 +0000, joan05061 wrote:
> I believe a while back someone complained about "Quicken for the Mac"
> not being compatible with Lion. I purchased Quicken Essentials, that
> Intuit" (funny name for a company whose products are far from
> intuitive) hoping that I could easily convert my Quicken for Mac 2007
> files to Quicken Essentials. Alas, no, it is behaving very quirkily,
> recognizing, for instance, files that I backed up a few months ago,
> but not the latest file. I am about to give up and ask for my money
> back and I wanted to know if anyone could suggest a different money
> management program that IS intuitive and works with Lion.
>
> Joan in Vermont where there is a muggy Indian summer, leaves starting
> to turn but mosquitoes out in full force. Weird weather.
>

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Re: Alternative to Quicken for Lion

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:22 pm (PDT)




On Sep 25, 2011, at 9:01 AM, joan05061 wrote:

> I am about to give up and ask for my money back and I wanted to
> know if anyone could suggest a different money management program
> that IS intuitive and works with Lion.

These have all been very popular among Mac users, but especially SEE
Finance and iBank:

SEE Finance $30
http://scimonocesoftware.com/
(I'm told that this program does a particularly good job of importing
data from Quicken.)

MoneyDance $40
http://www.moneydance.com/
MoneyDance Mobile (free)
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/moneydance/id367748818?mt=8

iCompta (about $20)
http://www.lyricapps.com/iCompta/?language=en
http://www.lyricapps.com/iCompta/help.php
There is a mobile companion version of iCompta for the iPhone/iPad,
which syncs with the desktop version. ($5)
http://angeman7.free.fr/iComptaMobile/?language=en
http://itunes.apple.com/app/icompta-2/id294191195?mt=8

iBank $60
http://www.iggsoftware.com/ibank/
iBank Mobile $5
http://www.iggsoftware.com/ibankmobile/index.php

iFinance $29
http://www.syniumsoftware.com/ifinance/
iFinance Mobile for iPhone $2
http://www.syniumsoftware.com/ifinancemobile/

MoneyWell $50
http://nothirst.com/moneywell/
MoneyWell for iPhone $10
http://nothirst.com/moneywell/iphone/

If none of these do it for you, there are about 20 more. Just let me
know if you would like the list.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________

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PowerDVD Equivalent

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:14 pm (PDT)



Does anyone know of a PowerDVD equivalent app for OS X?

Years ago, I bought a copy for an old pc I had. They have come a long
way with it, from what I've seen.

I kind of wonder if there's something similar for OS X. Googled it, but
didn't obtain any decent results.

Randy? Any ideas?

Harry

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Re: PowerDVD Equivalent

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:15 pm (PDT)



On 9/25/2011 3:13 PM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
> Does anyone know of a PowerDVD equivalent app for OS X?
>
> Years ago, I bought a copy for an old pc I had. They have come a long
> way with it, from what I've seen.
>
> I kind of wonder if there's something similar for OS X. Googled it, but
> didn't obtain any decent results.
>
> Randy? Any ideas?
>
> Harry

I should add to this that I'm currently using Plex, which is decent, but
lacks some of the fine-tuning capabilities that PowerDVD has.

Harry

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Judge Dismisses Law Suite on iphone/iOS "tracking"

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:00 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

This article is about Judge Koh dismissing the class-action suit
against Apple and iOS for "tracking and mining personal information."

Judge shreds, dismisses iPhone privacy class-action

By Venkat Balasubramani

September 20, 2011

<http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/09/judge-shreds-dismisses-iphone-privacy-class-action.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss>

Denver Dan

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Re: Judge Dismisses Law Suite on iphone/iOS "tracking"

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@comcast.net   hflaxman001

Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:47 pm (PDT)



On 9/25/2011 6:00 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> This article is about Judge Koh dismissing the class-action suit
> against Apple and iOS for "tracking and mining personal information."
>
> Judge shreds, dismisses iPhone privacy class-action
>
> By Venkat Balasubramani
>
> September 20, 2011

Kind of figured this would happen. The device was not actually tracking
an individual's movements, rather, towers that were local to the
device. They could have been a distance from the actual device.

Harry

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Dual Channel

Posted by: "David M" Miracleman2@yahoo.com   miracleman2

Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:05 pm (PDT)



I have a Power Mac G5 (Early 2005) running Tiger. It has 3 GBs of RAM. I have 2GB of dual channel RAM. Is this a waste?? Does it matter if I have dual or single channel memory in this computer??

David

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