9/27/2011

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1a.

Re: Dual Channel

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:54 am (PDT)



Howdy.

I don't know anything about Linux. Perhaps someone here in this group
does.

Denver Dan

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 00:49:47 +0000, David M wrote:
>> Howdy.
>>
>> I don't know if you have "dual channel" memory.
>>
>> I'm not sure there is such a thing as dual channel memory.
>>
>> However, there is a dual channel architecture for some computer models
>> and if RAM chips are bought and installed in the correct manner they
>> will make use of the dual channel architecture and this can increase
>> speed of some tasks. The term "dual channel" can be used in a
>> misleading manner sometimes.
>>
>> The amount of increased speed is a bit speculative and can depend on
>> your work on the computer.
>>
>> Some Macs, like the MacPro, have a different system that with the
>> purchase and installation of RAM in the correct matched pairs and in
>> the proper matched slots will trigger on something called 256 memory
>> path addressing. This is supposed to increase speed by 5% to 15% for
>> some tasks on the computer.
>
>
> Thank you for the info. I have a Linux computer that has dual
> channel capability. I have the same type of memory installed in the
> correct slots but in BIOS it indicates it is running in single
> channel mode. In my Mac I have 2 1 GB DDR 400 modules. on the
> module it has 2GB 2x1 GB written on each module. I am wondering why
> on my Linux computer that it is running in single channel mode when I
> have the same type of RAM in each slot
>
> Thanks
>
> David

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Re: Dual Channel

Posted by: "David M" Miracleman2@yahoo.com   miracleman2

Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:03 am (PDT)





--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> I don't know anything about Linux. Perhaps someone here in this group
> does.

It is not a Linux issue but a motherboard issue. It is in the BIOS. I think I will swap memory modules and see if that makes a difference

David

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Re: Judge Dismisses Law Suite on iphone/iOS "tracking"

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:01 am (PDT)



Howdy.

Apple has seen some significant successes in European Union courts and
some of them have banned sale of the Samsung Galaxy pad/tablet because
it is substantial a direct copy of Apple's iPad.

But I don't know how this will translate into a European Union wide ban
on these Samsung products or a ban in only certain countries. In any
case, it hasn't been good news for Samsung.

Since more than one count has now said that the Samsung tablet/pad is a
substantial directly copy of the iPad I'd think Samsung would go back
to the drawing board and at least make their copy in a different color
if not try to make something original.

Denver Dan

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 19:20:50 -0700, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On Sep 25, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
>
>> Kind of figured this would happen. The device was not actually
>> tracking
>> an individual's movements, rather, towers that were local to the
>> device. They could have been a distance from the actual device.
>
> It will be interesting to see if this effects the status of the
> similar class-action suit against Apple in South Korea.
>
> Since Apple and South Korean Samsung are at war with one another,
> there may be a political/nationalistic component to the lawsuit that
> might preclude applying common sense.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:46 am (PDT)



If boot were the only thing that SSD made faster, they would hardly be worth it except on portable devices. On my production system, loading a large project takes longer than booting. If I had an SSD, I'd bloody well keep my working projects on it. That's unusual I grant, but the time opening and closing apps, and the system's swapping out of components and reading/writing caches is significant. You can mitigate this with RAM or your working behavior, but the speed of your system drive is a major factor. To get the greatest benefit, you want to put as move as much of your disk i/o to SSD. Watch Activity Monitor while you're working and note each time you hit a big i/o burst. Where was that data?

Cheers,
tod

On Sep 25, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:

>>> The questions I have are, what would I do with the drive aside from having the OS on it for boot and runtime stuff. Would I want all of my applications on the SSD, in which case, 30gb is probably
>>> not large enough.
>>
>> In short, yes, you want all your system and apps on the SSD. The vast majority of "wait time" for most users is waiting for your system drive which contains not only the apps themselves, but ALL their associated files. This is not by accident! There is a reason that everything is designed to be on one drive. Anything else is likely to be less efficient unless you are very, very clever! Mac OS is not a fun of people getting too clever. ;)
>>
>> I would recommend that you leave "working" directories on the system drive. Why wait an extra 15 seconds for that large project file you will be opening every day for the next week? Keep it handy. One very easy way to do this is to simply keep it on your "desktop" which, by default, is on your system drive.
>
> Well, yes and no.
>
> I ran an experiment for several months. I bought a 64 GB ExpressCard SSD. As you may (or may not) know, the ExpressCard slot on a Macbook Pro is on the slower USB bus, not the faster SATA bus.
>
> I set it up, using SuperDuper!, as a sandbox, with Users (but *not* Applications) shared. This left the ENTIRE Users folder on the disk hard drive, symlinked from the SSD. So ALL the users files, and non-Apple shared applications, were on the rotating disk, and all the System, Libraries, and primary Applications directories were on the SSD.
>
> It booted, and ran, wonderfully fast ˆ but NOT as fast as it would in Harry's situation, because he would have the 3 Gb/s SATA bus instead of the 480 Mb/s USB bus.
>
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Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "LouisD" lou@loudina.com   ldina

Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:45 am (PDT)



Thanks for all the recommendations folks.

I am usually a tightwad, but I guess I'm in a rare, extravagant mood. I decided to buy a 240 GB Mercury Extreme SSD drive from OWC for my O/S and Programs. Since my current MacHD has only about 110 GB on it, the SSD should be plenty large for a long time to come.

I'll reformat my old 640 GB MacHD and create three partitions for Internal OSX backup, Scratch disc, and Sandbox for experimenting with other O/S versions.

I also bought a 1TB Hitachi Enterprise HDD for my internal data drive to speed things up a little bit on that end (mostly large images, design files, etc). My older, slower 1TB Data drive will removed from my Mac Pro and used as a 2nd backup drive in my external docking station (Voyager Q).

We'll see how it goes. Thanks for the education and all the great suggestions.

Lou

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Re: Need Storage Recommendation Please

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:19 pm (PDT)



>>> I would recommend that you leave "working" directories on the system drive. Why wait an extra 15 seconds for that large project file you will be opening every day for the next week? Keep it handy. One very easy way to do this is to simply keep it on your "desktop" which, by default, is on your system drive.
>>
>> Well, yes and no.
>>
>> I ran an experiment for several months. I bought a 64 GB ExpressCard SSD. As you may (or may not) know, the ExpressCard slot on a Macbook Pro is on the slower USB bus, not the faster SATA bus.
>>
>> I set it up, using SuperDuper!, as a sandbox, with Users (but *not* Applications) shared. This left the ENTIRE Users folder on the disk hard drive, symlinked from the SSD. So ALL the users files, and non-Apple shared applications, were on the rotating disk, and all the System, Libraries, and primary Applications directories were on the SSD.
>>
>> It booted, and ran, wonderfully fast ˆ but NOT as fast as it would in Harry's situation, because he would have the 3 Gb/s SATA bus instead of the 480 Mb/s USB bus.
>

> If boot were the only thing that SSD made faster, they would hardly be worth it except on portable devices. On my production system, loading a large project takes longer than booting. If I had an SSD, I'd bloody well keep my working projects on it. That's unusual I grant, but the time opening and closing apps, and the system's swapping out of components and reading/writing caches is significant. You can mitigate this with RAM or your working behavior, but the speed of your system drive is a major factor. To get the greatest benefit, you want to put as move as much of your disk i/o to SSD. Watch Activity Monitor while you're working and note each time you hit a big i/o burst. Where was that data?
> tod

Have you tried working with an SSD yet, Tod?

Keep in mind that what I described has the entire *operating* system, with all its libraries and frameworks, on the SSD.

Yes, the 3rd-party application might have to load from a merely 7200 RPM drive. Once. In a couple of seconds.

And the app's data would have to do so also. But if you're working with, for example, large images with many layers in Photoshop, you're probably going to have most or all of your data in RAM after the first few seconds.

If you are speaking from real-world experience with SSD's, I would be fascinated to see actual timing tests.

Of course, if price is no object, you make a large SSD RAID....

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4a.

Re: Alternative to Quicken for Lion

Posted by: "us2forever" us2forever@frontiernet.net   rksangelkayann

Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:12 am (PDT)



I was one in the past that wanted suggestions for financial software for Lion. I took the recommended list and tried several out with a make believe budget and finally settled on iBank. It was great to have this group give a number of suggestions so I could see what was best for me. Most have free trials so you can see what is best for you.

Kay
MacBook Air
Mac OS X 10.7
1.8 GHz Intel Core i7
4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3
MacBook
Mac OS X 10.6.7
2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
3 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
iMac g4
Mac OS X 10.4.11
1.25 GHz PowerPC G
2 GB DDR SDRAM

On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:22 PM, jamesrob@sonic.net wrote:

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "joan05061" <jsax@...> wrote:
>
> I believe a while back someone complained about "Quicken for the Mac" not being compatible with Lion. I purchased Quicken Essentials, that Intuit" (funny name for a company whose products are far from intuitive) hoping that I could easily convert my Quicken for Mac 2007 files to Quicken Essentials. Alas, no, it is behaving very quirkily, recognizing, for instance, files that I backed up a few months ago, but not the latest file. I am about to give up and ask for my money back and I wanted to know if anyone could suggest a different money management program that IS intuitive and works with Lion.

Sorry to hear that, especially since I just looked at Jumsoft's "Money 4" (actually, I tested the trial, which is 3.7.9, but it's missing a huge amount of what's in Quicken Deluxe 2006, which is the program I'll have to give up on soon.

The more time I spend struggling with this issue, the closer I get to deciding to purchase Quicken for Windows to run it in VMware Fusion.

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Re: Alternative to Quicken for Lion

Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com

Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:51 pm (PDT)



I kind of liked iBank when I tried it, even though it was more "clunky" in my opinion, than Quicken. I can live with that. But it did a HORRIBLE job of importing my perhaps moderately complex Quicken files. They contain a lot of "splits." Plus of course investment accounts were a disaster. My husband, who takes care of investments, just basically started from scratch. But I couldn't stand the loss of more than a decade of information. I tried Quicken Essentials and absolutely hated the interface.

So the final, perhaps drastic, decision, was to stay with Snow Leopard, and I'm now running Lion in Parallels.

Maybe if our finances were a bit simpler, or involved fewer years of entries, I could tolerate the invenience. But I'm unwilling to manually re-enter thousands of complex entries just to have Lion.

I also tried MoneyDance, SEEFinance, and a few others. I just can't find anything that works for me like Quicken (even though I also sort of hate Quicken). If they would import Quicken properly, I'd force myself to learn to love their interfaces. But the import (NOT import) is the deal killer for me.

Daly

On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:12 AM, us2forever wrote:

> I was one in the past that wanted suggestions for financial software for Lion. I took the recommended list and tried several out with a make believe budget and finally settled on iBank. It was great to have this group give a number of suggestions so I could see what was best for me. Most have free trials so you can see what is best for you.
>
> Kay
> MacBook Air
> Mac OS X 10.7
> 1.8 GHz Intel Core i7
> 4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3
> MacBook
> Mac OS X 10.6.7
> 2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> 3 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
> iMac g4
> Mac OS X 10.4.11
> 1.25 GHz PowerPC G
> 2 GB DDR SDRAM
>
> On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:22 PM, jamesrob@sonic.net wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "joan05061" <jsax@...> wrote:
>>
>> I believe a while back someone complained about "Quicken for the Mac" not being compatible with Lion. I purchased Quicken Essentials, that Intuit" (funny name for a company whose products are far from intuitive) hoping that I could easily convert my Quicken for Mac 2007 files to Quicken Essentials. Alas, no, it is behaving very quirkily, recognizing, for instance, files that I backed up a few months ago, but not the latest file. I am about to give up and ask for my money back and I wanted to know if anyone could suggest a different money management program that IS intuitive and works with Lion.
>
> Sorry to hear that, especially since I just looked at Jumsoft's "Money 4" (actually, I tested the trial, which is 3.7.9, but it's missing a huge amount of what's in Quicken Deluxe 2006, which is the program I'll have to give up on soon.
>
> The more time I spend struggling with this issue, the closer I get to deciding to purchase Quicken for Windows to run it in VMware Fusion.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Alternative to Quicken for Lion

Posted by: "Jim Showalter" jshowalt@mindspring.com   jshowalt94127

Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:55 pm (PDT)




On Sep 26, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:

> I kind of liked iBank when I tried it, even though it was more "clunky" in my opinion, than Quicken. I can live with that. But it did a HORRIBLE job of importing my perhaps moderately complex Quicken files. They contain a lot of "splits." Plus of course investment accounts were a disaster. My husband, who takes care of investments, just basically started from scratch. But I couldn't stand the loss of more than a decade of information. I tried Quicken Essentials and absolutely hated the interface.
>
> So the final, perhaps drastic, decision, was to stay with Snow Leopard, and I'm now running Lion in Parallels.
>
> Maybe if our finances were a bit simpler, or involved fewer years of entries, I could tolerate the invenience. But I'm unwilling to manually re-enter thousands of complex entries just to have Lion.
>
> I also tried MoneyDance, SEEFinance, and a few others. I just can't find anything that works for me like Quicken (even though I also sort of hate Quicken). If they would import Quicken properly, I'd force myself to learn to love their interfaces. But the import (NOT import) is the deal killer for me.
>
> Daly
>

I found the import of Quicken files into MoneyDance to be nearly painless and extremely accurate. It is a two step process: import accounts/categories, then import data.

I imported my Quicken files with data back to 1999. There was a small amount of cleanup to do after, but not significant. Learning the interface was not very difficult, either. I now also use the iPhone app to sync/interface with MoneyDance on the computer.

I tried a couple of other trial apps as well, but I've been using MD for a couple of years now and can't remember what else I tried.

Tidbits has some followup on apps to replace Quicken at: http://tidbits.com/article/12503 that includes responses from developers of some of the options.

>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:12 AM, us2forever wrote:
>
>> I was one in the past that wanted suggestions for financial software for Lion. I took the recommended list and tried several out with a make believe budget and finally settled on iBank. It was great to have this group give a number of suggestions so I could see what was best for me. Most have free trials so you can see what is best for you.
>>
>> Kay
>> MacBook Air
>> Mac OS X 10.7
>> 1.8 GHz Intel Core i7
>> 4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3
>> MacBook
>> Mac OS X 10.6.7
>> 2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
>> 3 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
>> iMac g4
>> Mac OS X 10.4.11
>> 1.25 GHz PowerPC G
>> 2 GB DDR SDRAM
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:22 PM, jamesrob@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "joan05061" <jsax@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe a while back someone complained about "Quicken for the Mac" not being compatible with Lion. I purchased Quicken Essentials, that Intuit" (funny name for a company whose products are far from intuitive) hoping that I could easily convert my Quicken for Mac 2007 files to Quicken Essentials. Alas, no, it is behaving very quirkily, recognizing, for instance, files that I backed up a few months ago, but not the latest file. I am about to give up and ask for my money back and I wanted to know if anyone could suggest a different money management program that IS intuitive and works with Lion.
>>
>> Sorry to hear that, especially since I just looked at Jumsoft's "Money 4" (actually, I tested the trial, which is 3.7.9, but it's missing a huge amount of what's in Quicken Deluxe 2006, which is the program I'll have to give up on soon.
>>
>> The more time I spend struggling with this issue, the closer I get to deciding to purchase Quicken for Windows to run it in VMware Fusion.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
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Re: Alternative to Quicken for Lion

Posted by: "Peter J. Ernst" pete_ernst@comcast.net

Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:11 pm (PDT)



I actually just downloaded CheckBook from the App store, exported all my info from Quicken 2004 and CheckBook imported it flawlessly. I just need a basic checkbook function though. Great deal at only $14.99

Pete

On Sep 26, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:

> I kind of liked iBank when I tried it, even though it was more "clunky" in my opinion, than Quicken. I can live with that. But it did a HORRIBLE job of importing my perhaps moderately complex Quicken files. They contain a lot of "splits." Plus of course investment accounts were a disaster. My husband, who takes care of investments, just basically started from scratch. But I couldn't stand the loss of more than a decade of information. I tried Quicken Essentials and absolutely hated the interface.
>
> So the final, perhaps drastic, decision, was to stay with Snow Leopard, and I'm now running Lion in Parallels.
>
> Maybe if our finances were a bit simpler, or involved fewer years of entries, I could tolerate the invenience. But I'm unwilling to manually re-enter thousands of complex entries just to have Lion.
>
> I also tried MoneyDance, SEEFinance, and a few others. I just can't find anything that works for me like Quicken (even though I also sort of hate Quicken). If they would import Quicken properly, I'd force myself to learn to love their interfaces. But the import (NOT import) is the deal killer for me.
>
> Daly
>
>

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Browser Trouble

Posted by: "Joan Mihay" jmihay@charter.net   mihayjoan

Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:20 pm (PDT)



Hi All

Neither Safari nor Chrome will respond to "Open new Window" nor
"Preferences." Only FireFox works for me. After trying to get them to
work, I did a clean install of system 10.5 and upgraded it to 10.5.8
on my MacPro desktop. Still cannot get Safari or Chrome to respond.

Anybody have an idea what is wrong and how to fix it?

TIA

Joan Mihay
Morro Bay, Calif.

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Re: Browser Trouble

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:13 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

Did you try deleting the plist file or deleting cache files?

Denver Dan

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:20:31 -0700, Joan Mihay wrote:
> Neither Safari nor Chrome will respond to "Open new Window" nor
> "Preferences." Only FireFox works for me. After trying to get them to
> work, I did a clean install of system 10.5 and upgraded it to 10.5.8
> on my MacPro desktop. Still cannot get Safari or Chrome to respond.
>
> Anybody have an idea what is wrong and how to fix it?
>
> TIA
>
> Joan Mihay

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Re: Browser Trouble

Posted by: "paul smith" kullervo@nycap.rr.com   waldonny

Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:44 pm (PDT)



How are you giving those commands? Via keyboard shortcut? Directly from the menubar submenus?
--
PSmith
MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM, OS 10.7.1

On Sep 26, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Joan Mihay wrote:

Neither Safari nor Chrome will respond to "Open new Window" nor
"Preferences." Only FireFox works for me. After trying to get them to
work, I did a clean install of system 10.5 and upgraded it to 10.5.8
on my MacPro desktop. Still cannot get Safari or Chrome to respond.

Anybody have an idea what is wrong and how to fix it?

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Moving app menu bar to 2nd monitor

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:02 pm (PDT)



I've got a 2nd monitor hooked up to my mini. I want to put my e-mail
program on that monitor so that it's never covered by other apps and
I can see at a glance the status of the mailboxes.

I can drag the various windows of the e-mail application to the 2nd
monitor. But the menu bar remains on the main monitor.

I know I can (in System Prefs > Displays) drag the main menu bar to
the 2nd monitor and make that the "main" monitor. But that's not what
I want. I want just the e-mail application to have it's menu and
windows on the 2nd monitor.

Is this possible?

Thanks,
Dave
--
2011 Mac mini 2.7 GHz i7 / 4 GB / 750 GB
OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard)

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Re: Moving app menu bar to 2nd monitor

Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com   todhop

Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:34 pm (PDT)



No, I don't think so, unless someone has created an add on that can give you two menus. It's simply the way MacOS handles menus. The OS thinks of the two monitors as one screen with one menu.

Maybe an add-on or mod that can put a "pop-up" version of the menu replicating the OS menu in a second location or adding it to the context menu. I don't have one to recommend but it seems likely that something exists.

Cheers,
tod

On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:01 PM, DaveC wrote:

> I've got a 2nd monitor hooked up to my mini. I want to put my e-mail
> program on that monitor so that it's never covered by other apps and
> I can see at a glance the status of the mailboxes.
>
> I can drag the various windows of the e-mail application to the 2nd
> monitor. But the menu bar remains on the main monitor.
>
> I know I can (in System Prefs > Displays) drag the main menu bar to
> the 2nd monitor and make that the "main" monitor. But that's not what
> I want. I want just the e-mail application to have it's menu and
> windows on the 2nd monitor.
>
> Is this possible?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> --
> 2011 Mac mini 2.7 GHz i7 / 4 GB / 750 GB
> OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard)
>

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins@hillmanncarr.com

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Re: Moving app menu bar to 2nd monitor

Posted by: "DaveC" davec2468@yahoo.com   davec2468

Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:12 pm (PDT)



Thanks, Tod. That's what I wanted to know.

Cheers,
Dave

-=-=-=-

>No, I don't think so, unless someone has created an add on that can
>give you two menus. It's simply the way MacOS handles menus. The
>OS thinks of the two monitors as one screen with one menu. 
>
>Maybe an add-on or mod that can put a "pop-up" version of the menu
>replicating the OS menu in a second location or adding it to the
>context menu. I don't have one to recommend but it seems likely
>that something exists. 
>
>Cheers,
>tod

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Re: Moving app menu bar to 2nd monitor

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:12 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

I'm not quite sure from your description what you want to do.

But, perhaps you could try the Displays panel and the two little
monitor images there, do a vertical arrangement. One monitor on top
and the other on the bottom and the menu bar would then be, sort of, in
the middle if on the bottom monitor as the master monitor.

Denver Dan

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:01:58 -0700, DaveC wrote:
> I've got a 2nd monitor hooked up to my mini. I want to put my e-mail
> program on that monitor so that it's never covered by other apps and
> I can see at a glance the status of the mailboxes.
>
> I can drag the various windows of the e-mail application to the 2nd
> monitor. But the menu bar remains on the main monitor.
>
> I know I can (in System Prefs > Displays) drag the main menu bar to
> the 2nd monitor and make that the "main" monitor. But that's not what
> I want. I want just the e-mail application to have it's menu and
> windows on the 2nd monitor.
>
> Is this possible?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> --

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6e.

Re: Moving app menu bar to 2nd monitor

Posted by: "Collin" Collinwhuber@aol.com   collinwhuber

Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:16 pm (PDT)



There is an application for that. I've used it for about 2 years, and it's great. It's called SecondBar.

- Collin

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On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:11 PM, DaveC <davec2468@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Tod. That's what I wanted to know.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> -=-=-=-
>
> >No, I don't think so, unless someone has created an add on that can
> >give you two menus. It's simply the way MacOS handles menus. The
> >OS thinks of the two monitors as one screen with one menu.
> >
> >Maybe an add-on or mod that can put a "pop-up" version of the menu
> >replicating the OS menu in a second location or adding it to the
> >context menu. I don't have one to recommend but it seems likely
> >that something exists.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >tod
>

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Re: Moving app menu bar to 2nd monitor

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:18 pm (PDT)



>> I've got a 2nd monitor hooked up to my mini. I want to put my e-mail program on that monitor so that it's never covered by other apps and I can see at a glance the status of the mailboxes.
>>
>> I can drag the various windows of the e-mail application to the 2nd monitor. But the menu bar remains on the main monitor.
>>
>> I know I can (in System Prefs > Displays) drag the main menu bar to the 2nd monitor and make that the "main" monitor. But that's not what I want. I want just the e-mail application to have it's menu and windows on the 2nd monitor.
>>
>> Is this possible?
>>
>> Dave
>
> I'm not quite sure from your description what you want to do.
>
> But, perhaps you could try the Displays panel and the two little monitor images there, do a vertical arrangement. One monitor on top and the other on the bottom and the menu bar would then be, sort of, in the middle if on the bottom monitor as the master monitor.
>
> Denver Dan

I don't have 2 monitors to test with, but I use Spaces a lot.
I wonder if you set up Spaces to put Mail in its own Space, could you display that space, complete, on a second monitor?

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HP Launches CEO Swapper App for iOS and iPad

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:23 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

This is fun.

From "Scoopertino."

"HP launches new CEO Swapper app for iPad"

<http://scoopertino.com/hp-launches-new-ceo-swapper-app-for-ipad/>

Denver Dan

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Re: HP Launches CEO Swapper App for iOS and iPad

Posted by: "Andrew Buc" andrewbuc@staxman.net   andrewbuc

Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:36 pm (PDT)



This from the company that launched a tablet and discontinued it
scant weeks later! :)

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8.

New Trojan On The Loose

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:11 pm (PDT)



There is a new Trojan Horse on the scene. It looks as if this one
might be widespread and seriously malicious.

<http://www.macworld.com/article/162496/2011/09/
intego_malware_masquerades_as_flash_installer.html>
or
http://is.gd/2PxtFZ

It masquerades as an update for Flash that you encounter while using
your Web browser. The easy way to avoid it is to not update Flash
unless you download the update directly from Adobe's Web site:
http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

Also, if you are using Safari as your Web browser, make sure to
UNcheck "Open safe files after downloading."
In Safari:
Safari menu --> Preferences --> General

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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9a.

Portable Hard Drive Issue

Posted by: "Rob Frankel" rob@robfrankel.com   robfrankeldotcom

Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:24 pm (PDT)



Greetings:

I got this iomega 1TB portable hard drive. Used it with Carbon Copy
Cloner just fine as a back up for about a year. Cloned it every two
months.

All of a sudden, it won't mount. It lights up, it whirs, but doesn't
show up on the desktop.

I Googled it. Tried DU, DW, different cables (USB, FW 800),
rebooted the machine -- everything. Doesn't mount or show up
anywhere.

Am I missing anything? I just thought I'd ping you before I throw it
into the sea. It's only a year or two old and been kept in my safe,
so it hasn't been knocked around....

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Re: Portable Hard Drive Issue

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:10 am (PDT)



Rob Frankel wrote:
>
>
> Greetings:
>
> I got this iomega 1TB portable hard drive. Used it with Carbon Copy
> Cloner just fine as a back up for about a year. Cloned it every two
> months.
>
> All of a sudden, it won't mount. It lights up, it whirs, but doesn't
> show up on the desktop.
>
> I Googled it. Tried DU, DW, different cables (USB, FW 800),
> rebooted the machine -- everything. Doesn't mount or show up
> anywhere.
>
> Am I missing anything? I just thought I'd ping you before I throw it
> into the sea. It's only a year or two old and been kept in my safe,
> so it hasn't been knocked around....
>
> --
> Rob Frankel

I'll be following this story with interest, as I have my (only, new,
external) backup drive acting the same way. I could really use some
hints about now!

Talk about frustrating when the ICON doesn't even show up!

keith whaley (getting a new FW800 cable tomorrow...maybe that's it.)

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Need help adding, naming, formatting new drives

Posted by: "LouisD" lou@loudina.com   ldina

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:16 am (PDT)



I haven't done this before and need some guidance on how best to add and configure new drives for my Mac Pro Tower. (Mac Pro, 8-core, 2.26 MHz, 16GB RAM, OSX 10.6.8, currently 3 HDD in 3 of 4 bays, external backup is a Voyager Q docking station using SATA drive).

1. My plan is to first backup my internal MacHD and my internal Data drives, using SuperDuper, which I use regularly. I have an internal and an external backup for safety. I'll use the incremental backup feature of SuperDuper unless that is not recommended. Sound OK?

2. I will be adding a 240 GB SSD to be my new OSX/Program drive. My old boot drive is named "MacIntosh HD", and it will eventually be wiped clean, reformatted, partitioned and renamed. Would it be best to name my new SSD "MacIntosh HD"? Can I have two drives installed with identical names, or will this confuse and screw things up? Will it make ANY difference when loading programs if my new SSD drive is named something else? I'm trying to keep things clean and simple.

3. Can a drive simply be renamed without wiping the data, reformatting, etc? That would make life very easy, I'd think.

4. Does one format an SSD drive exactly the same way as a conventional HDD, using Mac OS Extended (journaled)? Using Disk Utility?

5. Are there are good links or articles you can point me to that walk me through this procedure step by step? The more precise and detailed, the better.

Obviously, I need guidance! Thanks for any suggestions.

Lou Dina

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