Messages In This Digest (7 Messages)
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- Notes and Printing from an iPad 2 From: Wilton
- 1b.
- Re: Notes and Printing from an iPad 2 From: Chris Laarman
- 1c.
- Re: Notes and Printing from an iPad 2 From: Wilton
- 1d.
- Re: Notes and Printing from an iPad 2 From: Chris Laarman
- 1e.
- Re: Notes and Printing from an iPad 2 From: Wilton
- 2a.
- Airplay Question From: Tony
- 2b.
- Re: Airplay Question From: Paul Deyo
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Notes and Printing from an iPad 2
Posted by: "Wilton" wilton.hart@gmail.com wiltonh2000
Mon May 28, 2012 3:09 am (PDT)
My wife wanted to do medical notes with an iPhone 3G. She purchased a wireless keyboard and found that it would not pair with IOS 4.2.1 due to an Apple bug. It would pair with IOS 4.1 but Apple will not let you go backwards.
She then purchased an iPad 2 and it would pair with the wireless keyboard. She planned to use the note pad application for taking medical notes during an interview. She planned to print the note she had just completed to a printer located in the interview room and then delete the note. The office stores all medical notes on paper. This will probably change when the current office manager dies or the government requires electronic filing.
In a past life she had done this on a Palm with a wireless keyboard and it worked just fine. She did have to sync her Palm with Palm Desktop on the local PC before she could print. The iPad 2 is a much different issue.
Just taking Notes was not all that big a deal but printing was another issue all together. Apple allows you to print to a small list of wireless printers directly. The two offices where she works do not have wireless printers so we needed another solution.
Print Magic seemed like a good solution. There is a small program that you load on the local PC and Print Magic connects to it and then you can print from the printers connected to the local PC. There is one issue. Print Magic removes carriage returns and line feeds from a text file so the text looses all its formatting. The only formatted output it will print is from a .pdf.
We then tried Print Central. It also has a small program that gets loaded on the PC called WePrint. The iPad2 finds WePrint and shows the printers connected to the PC.
Now the problem became, how do you get a file from a note taking application to the print application? This should be simple but if you are using a non wireless printer it is not.
The final solution was to open a word document outline, in a program called Quick Office and when completed, do a save as to a new file name. Quick Office has an internal file manager which allows you to save the file to one of a number of cloud storage locations. We chose Box.net as we already had an account there.
Print Central can print from Box.net as well as other cloud storage services so all she had to do was choose the file and say print.
My wife has a hard time understanding why her old Palm did this function so simply and the iPad requires all these extra steps.
Does anyone have a solution for this that does not use a Cloud service?
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Re: Notes and Printing from an iPad 2
Posted by: "Chris Laarman" v.c.laarman@gmail.com chrislaarman
Mon May 28, 2012 5:34 am (PDT)
"Wilton" <wilton.hart@gmail.com > on Mon, 28 May 2012 01:21:58 -0000:
I don't have the non-Cloud solution for your problem.
However, I wonder if the core of the matter might be in
interpretations of the word "note". (Like "some reminder for myself",
"informal letter to someone else", here apparently "medical status
update", etc.)
Sorting this out might help in selecting an apt app for this task.
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Chris Laarman
responding to:
>My wife wanted to do medical notes with an iPhone 3G. She purchased a wireless keyboard and found that it would not pair with IOS 4.2.1 due to an Apple bug. It would pair with IOS 4.1 but Apple will not let you go backwards.
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>She then purchased an iPad 2 and it would pair with the wireless keyboard. She planned to use the note pad application for taking medical notes during an interview. She planned to print the note she had just completed to a printer located in the interview room and then delete the note. The office stores all medical notes on paper. This will probably change when the current office manager dies or the government requires electronic filing.
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>In a past life she had done this on a Palm with a wireless keyboard and it worked just fine. She did have to sync her Palm with Palm Desktop on the local PC before she could print. The iPad 2 is a much different issue.
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>Just taking Notes was not all that big a deal but printing was another issue all together. Apple allows you to print to a small list of wireless printers directly. The two offices where she works do not have wireless printers so we needed another solution.
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>Print Magic seemed like a good solution. There is a small program that you load on the local PC and Print Magic connects to it and then you can print from the printers connected to the local PC. There is one issue. Print Magic removes carriage returns and line feeds from a text file so the text looses all its formatting. The only formatted output it will print is from a .pdf.
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>We then tried Print Central. It also has a small program that gets loaded on the PC called WePrint. The iPad2 finds WePrint and shows the printers connected to the PC.
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>Now the problem became, how do you get a file from a note taking application to the print application? This should be simple but if you are using a non wireless printer it is not.
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>The final solution was to open a word document outline, in a program called Quick Office and when completed, do a save as to a new file name. Quick Office has an internal file manager which allows you to save the file to one of a number of cloud storage locations. We chose Box.net as we already had an account there.
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>Print Central can print from Box.net as well as other cloud storage services so all she had to do was choose the file and say print.
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>My wife has a hard time understanding why her old Palm did this function so simply and the iPad requires all these extra steps.
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Re: Notes and Printing from an iPad 2
Posted by: "Wilton" wilton.hart@gmail.com wiltonh2000
Mon May 28, 2012 12:01 pm (PDT)
The real issue is that the iPad is a media consumption device not a creation device. It does not have a true file system that lets you move files you have created, from one application to another easily. This is solved by using a cloud service but it takes a lot more steps to get something done.
It can also be solved by creating .pdf file but this is slow and takes a lot of extra steps.
There is a third solution used by HP. Their printers each have an email address. You can email your file directly to the printer which gets around the Apple limitations. If you think about this solution, HP sends the file to their mail server instead of a cloud storage device.
I know that Quick Office is working on an internal printing application and that would solve my problem someday.
I was hoping that someone might have a solution that was available now. The iPad gives you web access and it seems logical that people might purchase airline tickets or anything else that has a text file output. Unless you have a compatible wireless printer, you are in the same situation.
--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups. , Chris Laarman <v.c.laarman@com ...> wrote:
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> "Wilton" <wilton.hart@...> on Mon, 28 May 2012 01:21:58 -0000:
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> I don't have the non-Cloud solution for your problem.
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> However, I wonder if the core of the matter might be in
> interpretations of the word "note". (Like "some reminder for myself",
> "informal letter to someone else", here apparently "medical status
> update", etc.)
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> Sorting this out might help in selecting an apt app for this task.
>
> --
> Chris Laarman
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Re: Notes and Printing from an iPad 2
Posted by: "Chris Laarman" v.c.laarman@gmail.com chrislaarman
Mon May 28, 2012 1:19 pm (PDT)
"Wilton" <wilton.hart@gmail.com > on Mon, 28 May 2012 15:47:51 -0000:
>The real issue is that the iPad is a media consumption device not a creation device. It does not have a true file system that lets you move files you have created, from one application to another easily. This is solved by using a cloud service but it takes a lot more steps to get something done.
Well, iOS does have a proper file system. The user is allowed to
create and exchange images (still and moving) rather smoothly.
However, this file system is flawed by design (data in a subdirectory
of the app), and above all: it lacks a proper file manager.
Metaphorically speaking: the tracks are there, but hardly any train
services are allowed to operate. Hello, Cloud!
I must admit that Apple thus provides some protection for the user
(mainly against himself), but in my opinion the cure is worse than the
disease.
>It can also be solved by creating .pdf file but this is slow and takes a lot of extra steps.
Yes, some page-layout data have to be inserted - for nothing.
>There is a third solution used by HP. Their printers each have an email address. You can email your file directly to the printer which gets around the Apple limitations. If you think about this solution, HP sends the file to their mail server instead of a cloud storage device.
As I understand "ePrint", no mail server is used. The user has the
printer up and connected to his home (or office) network, and (after
configuration) the app sends the file at once and directly to that
server (the printer) on that network.
Involving a mail server would require a mail client (likely that
printer) to actively poll the mail server for messages.
>I know that Quick Office is working on an internal printing application and that would solve my problem someday.
You might also want to look at p31 of the iPad User Guide (for iOS
5.1.1) for a kist of the Apple apps that can use AirPrint and for the
URL <http://support.apple.com/ > for the printer side of thekb/HT4356
matter.
But then, I forgot the details of the circumstances of your wife's
job.
>I was hoping that someone might have a solution that was available now. The iPad gives you web access and it seems logical that people might purchase airline tickets or anything else that has a text file output. Unless you have a compatible wireless printer, you are in the same situation.
I seem to remember that a minor public transport operator here in the
Netherlands doesn't require tickets purchased on-line to be printed.
(We're moving to a nationwide chip-card system anyway.)
Finally, I invite you to another look at my previous message:
>> I don't have the non-Cloud solution for your problem.
>>
>> However, I wonder if the core of the matter might be in
>> interpretations of the word "note". (Like "some reminder for myself",
>> "informal letter to someone else", here apparently "medical status
>> update", etc.)
>>
>> Sorting this out might help in selecting an apt app for this task.
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Chris Laarman
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Re: Notes and Printing from an iPad 2
Posted by: "Wilton" wilton.hart@gmail.com wiltonh2000
Mon May 28, 2012 6:09 pm (PDT)
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> Finally, I invite you to another look at my previous message:
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I did look at your message and I do understand what you are saying. "Notes are for your eyes only." Since we have done this with a similar device in the past, it does not ring true in our case. The iPad 2 can create notes using its internal keyboard or the wireless keyboard just fine. You can save them into the internal application without any additional software.
The issue is, you cannot do much with what you created.
Since my wife does not control the equipment used in each office where she works. buying a new printer is not an option. She switched to hand writing the progress notes and people complained that they could not read her writing.
We will be forced to use the cloud option for now but I would say that the iPad 2 is not ready to be used as a business device.
I did look at a Samsung Galaxy Tab and it only supports one printer total. Right now it is even worse than Apple. Apple has a list of printers they support.
> >> I don't have the non-Cloud solution for your problem.
> >>
> >> However, I wonder if the core of the matter might be in
> >> interpretations of the word "note". (Like "some reminder for myself",
> >> "informal letter to someone else", here apparently "medical status
> >> update", etc.)
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> >> Sorting this out might help in selecting an apt app for this task.
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> --
> Chris Laarman
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Airplay Question
Posted by: "Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz tdale@xtra.co.nz
Mon May 28, 2012 2:07 pm (PDT)
Apart from streaming content from an iPhone or iPad to the Apple TV and HDTV, can I "use" the device, and see the iDevice screen on the TV, for browsing etc? Essentially, use the iPad, but view what I am doing on my TV, via Apple TV?
My TV has some basic internet capability via my WDTV Live, but I wish to have a better looking experience using my iPad on a 50" HDTV
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Re: Airplay Question
Posted by: "Paul Deyo" paul.deyo@gmail.com crewcheef
Mon May 28, 2012 3:45 pm (PDT)
yes
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On Monday, May 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Tony wrote:
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> Apart from streaming content from an iPhone or iPad to the Apple TV and HDTV, can I "use" the device, and see the iDevice screen on the TV, for browsing etc? Essentially, use the iPad, but view what I am doing on my TV, via Apple TV?
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> My TV has some basic internet capability via my WDTV Live, but I wish to have a better looking experience using my iPad on a 50" HDTV
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