5/17/2012

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1a.

Perian - Development to Stop

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu May 17, 2012 6:59 am (PDT)



Howdy.

I just saw an article saying that the developers of Perian will end
work on Perian after this next version release.

<http://perian.org/>

There are some alternatives.

Perian is a System Preference panel item that provides the ability for
Macintosh movie player applications to play a wide variety of video
file formats.

Denver Dan

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Re: Perian - Development to Stop

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Thu May 17, 2012 9:26 am (PDT)



Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> I just saw an article saying that the developers of Perian will end
> work on Perian after this next version release.
>
> <http://perian.org/>
>
> There are some alternatives.
>
> Perian is a System Preference panel item that provides the ability for
> Macintosh movie player applications to play a wide variety of video
> file formats.
>
> Denver Dan

Many thanks for that, Dan.
I've saved it to re-read from time to time.

I'm really sorry to se those folks go.

I'm going to hang on to the next and final release and fondly hope it
continues working for a long time.
But, I'm at the point where I'd just rather OS 10.6.8 lasted forever too.
Why can't I buy and use a brand new iMac and put MY OS on it? But no, it
seems I'm stuck with whatever version of Lion they supply. Well, that's
certainly ONE way to get your installed base to use your latest OS,
isn't it.

keith whaley

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Re: Perian - Development to Stop

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Thu May 17, 2012 10:28 am (PDT)





On May 17, 2012, at 06:59 AM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net> wrote:

Howdy.

I just saw an article saying that the developers of Perian will end
work on Perian after this next version release.

<http://perian.org/>

There are some alternatives.

 

 
That's terrible news!  What are the alternatives you mention?  Perian is a staple, or has been.

H

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Re: Perian - Development to Stop

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Thu May 17, 2012 10:41 am (PDT)



On 17 May 2012 18:28, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@me.com> wrote:

>
> That's terrible news! What are the alternatives you mention? Perian is a
> staple, or has been.

Is there anything that Perian covers that VLC does not?

Otto

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Re: Perian - Development to Stop

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu May 17, 2012 10:55 am (PDT)



Howdy.

At this time, should the next release of Perian stop working with some
future version of Mac OS X - such as possibly Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain
Lion - VLC should be a good alternative.

Denver Dan

On Thu, 17 May 2012 18:41:37 +0100, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> On 17 May 2012 18:28, Harry Flaxman <harry.flaxman@me.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> That's terrible news! What are the alternatives you mention? Perian is a
>> staple, or has been.
>
>
> Is there anything that Perian covers that VLC does not?
>
> Otto
>

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Re: QuickTime Player keeps crashing

Posted by: "Adit" nednewbie@yahoo.com   nednewbie

Thu May 17, 2012 7:14 am (PDT)



Sorry, too quick with the "Send" button

I'm on an MBP 13" 2.53GHz
system 10.5.8
QuickTime Player 7.7

I haven't applied the security update 2012-003 or Flashback Removal Security Update yet; it said that the digital signature for the package is incorrect. I guess that's another topic?

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Re: Best solution to manage contacts?

Posted by: "Joan B. Sax, Ph.D." jsax@me.com   joan05061

Thu May 17, 2012 7:25 am (PDT)



If you have mail from this list delivered as "Digest", as I do, and you are using Mail, then you can scroll down to the end of the digest and there is a option in bold blue type saying "Create New Topic".

Joan in Vermont where it is a crisp sunny spring day, the kind that brings people here in droves in June, and on through the summer. Payback after all kinds of unmentionable weather the rest of the year.

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "dolores desideri" djdesi98@gmail.com   djdesideri

Thu May 17, 2012 9:05 am (PDT)



Thanks for your responses. I think I'll enjoy Snow Leopard a while longer.

dolores


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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu May 17, 2012 10:16 am (PDT)



Yes, there are at least two sides to that coin. If you want to stay then you have to maintain the old hardware and by pass some of the new features. If you want the new features, you sometimes have to buy new hardware and often replace old, comfortable, reliable software.

That is why I do a spreadsheet of the pros, cons, and costs.

Apple seems to be getting more and more resistance to the new OS since 10.6. To me it seems that they are dumbing it down. I don't use Final Cut Pro, but used to work with several people who do, and they were royally pissed. I don't know how they feel since the started selling the old version again.

I still think we are in a better position, than the guys on the other side of the fence.

Brent

On May 17, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Keith Whaley wrote:

Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On May 16, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Dolores wrote:
>
>> I'm running 10.6.8 and wondering if I should change to Lion and
>> then hold off on Mountain Lion until the bugs are fixed. Or should
>> I just wait and put Mountain Lion this summer if that is a
>> possibility. What would you advise? I don't want to fall too far
>> behind.
>
> I'd only upgrade to Lion (or to Mountain Lion), if there is something
> in either of those OS's that you feel that you need.
>
> There aren't many killer new features in Lion. The only one that I
> can think of offhand is iCloud. Do you need iCloud?
>
> A huge disincentive to upgrade to Lion or beyond is the absence of
> Rosetta. Do you have lots of applications that require Rosetta? You
> can check here:
> http://roaringapps.com/apps:table
> If you have to replace a lot of broken apps, upgrading to Lion or
> beyond will be very expensive.
>
> By and large, I don't think that upgrading to a newer OS is always
> "better." You should only upgrade if you have an articulable reason
> to do so.

The other side of the coins is, I want a better, newer iMac, but the
latest ones come with Lion pre-installed.
I don't plan to switch in order to get a new OS, I plan to switch to
upgrade my computer!
I would far prefer to have the use of 10.6.8, but it appears that's not
possible with a new iMac.
Dilemma, eh?
If I opt for the latest and greatest iMac, I seem to be forced to accept
an OS I have no current desire to use...

keith

> Personally, I don't use Lion as the default OS on any of my Macs.
> Several are running Snow Leopard, and I even have one that is still
> running Tiger so that I can continue to use applications for which
> there is no update or equivalent. I've played with Lion and I don't
> see any reason that I want to upgrade to it just now.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Thu May 17, 2012 10:35 am (PDT)



N.A. Nada wrote:
> Yes, there are at least two sides to that coin. If you want to stay then you have to maintain the old hardware and by pass some of the new features. If you want the new features, you sometimes have to buy new hardware and often replace old, comfortable, reliable software.
>
> That is why I do a spreadsheet of the pros, cons, and costs.
>
> Apple seems to be getting more and more resistance to the new OS since 10.6. To me it seems that they are dumbing it down. I don't use Final Cut Pro, but used to work with several people who do, and they were royally pissed. I don't know how they feel since the started selling the old version again.
>
> I still think we are in a better position, than the guys on the other side of the fence.
>
> Brent

I have no need to do a spreadsheet, for only several apps and features.

I did look thru <http://roaringapps.com/apps:table> , but that's a
daunting task, better tackled when I have more time. Or approach it with
a list of the apps I need. Smaller list.

I simply want to know, if it's knowable, what the latest release of the
iMac is that will still work with OS 10.6.8.
I promised my current iMac to my son, whose Mac Mini is going south.
If I can get the later iMac, put 10.6.8 on it, I'll give my older one to
him and we'll all be happy!

When I find that out, I'll see if I can find one of those somewhere.

Thanks for your capable help, everyone...

keith whaley

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4d.

Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Thu May 17, 2012 11:02 am (PDT)



On 17 May 2012 18:35, Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
> I simply want to know, if it's knowable, what the latest release of the
> iMac is that will still work with OS 10.6.8.
> I promised my current iMac to my son, whose Mac Mini is going south.
> If I can get the later iMac, put 10.6.8 on it, I'll give my older one to
> him and we'll all be happy!
>
> When I find that out, I'll see if I can find one of those somewhere.
>
> Thanks for your capable help, everyone...
>

The safe assumption is that it will be the last that came with 10.6.x
installed from new and you can check this using MacTracker, EveryMac, or
LowEndMac. EveryMac gives us mid-2011 (all quad-core) and the highest spec
was Core i7 3.4 27".

Otto

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu May 17, 2012 11:11 am (PDT)



> If you want to stay then you have to maintain the old hardware and by pass some of the new features.
> If you want the new features, you sometimes have to buy new hardware and often replace old, comfortable, reliable software.

Has anyone determined whether a late-model "Lion-only" system running Parallels or VMWare Fusion, and running Snow Leopard Server in emulation, can then run Rosetta applications, or does the hardware prevent that?

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu May 17, 2012 11:14 am (PDT)



> I simply want to know, if it's knowable, what the latest release of the
> iMac is that will still work with OS 10.6.8.

iMac12,1 (21.5", "Mid 2011")
iMac12,2 (27", "Mid 2011")

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu May 17, 2012 12:21 pm (PDT)



Well, Keith, don't get defensive, I was speaking to the issue brought up by the OP.

That is also how I decided to make the move, about the time 10.7.1 came out. I also have an external HD that I can boot into 10.6.8 with my older MBP. We're now at 10.7.4.

In your case, where you have several Intel Macs, the answer is different.

I can not give you a definitive answer, but from what I have read, there might have been the slightest bit of wiggle room on installing 10.6.8 on a newer Mac of any flavor. Common practice in the past by Apple, was that you could not install a OS earlier than the one you got when you received it.

There might have been a few in the 4-6 weeks of stock in the pipeline, when 10.7.0 was first released, but I doubt you would find a new one now. Try looking at the refurbs, otherwise I would think you are out of luck.

I have not seen any post or article of a successful emulator running 10.6.8.

Brent

On May 17, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Keith Whaley wrote:

N.A. Nada wrote:
> Yes, there are at least two sides to that coin. If you want to stay then you have to maintain the old hardware and by pass some of the new features. If you want the new features, you sometimes have to buy new hardware and often replace old, comfortable, reliable software.
>
> That is why I do a spreadsheet of the pros, cons, and costs.
>
> Apple seems to be getting more and more resistance to the new OS since 10.6. To me it seems that they are dumbing it down. I don't use Final Cut Pro, but used to work with several people who do, and they were royally pissed. I don't know how they feel since the started selling the old version again.
>
> I still think we are in a better position, than the guys on the other side of the fence.
>
> Brent

I have no need to do a spreadsheet, for only several apps and features.

I did look thru <http://roaringapps.com/apps:table> , but that's a
daunting task, better tackled when I have more time. Or approach it with
a list of the apps I need. Smaller list.

I simply want to know, if it's knowable, what the latest release of the
iMac is that will still work with OS 10.6.8.
I promised my current iMac to my son, whose Mac Mini is going south.
If I can get the later iMac, put 10.6.8 on it, I'll give my older one to
him and we'll all be happy!

When I find that out, I'll see if I can find one of those somewhere.

Thanks for your capable help, everyone...

keith whaley

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Thu May 17, 2012 1:50 pm (PDT)



Jim Saklad wrote:

> iMac12,1 (21.5", "Mid 2011")
> iMac12,2 (27", "Mid 2011")

_Precisely_ what I needed to know.

Many thanks, Jim.

keith

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Thu May 17, 2012 2:08 pm (PDT)



N.A. Nada wrote:
> Well, Keith, don't get defensive, I was speaking to the issue brought
> up by the OP.

Oooops. Sorry if I came across that way. Didn't mean it like that.

> That is also how I decided to make the move, about the time 10.7.1
> came out. I also have an external HD that I can boot into 10.6.8 with
> my older MBP. We're now at 10.7.4.

Ahh yes. Different strokes for different folks.

> In your case, where you have several Intel Macs, the answer is
> different.

I would suppose so...

> I can not give you a definitive answer, but from what I have read,
> there might have been the slightest bit of wiggle room on installing
> 10.6.8 on a newer Mac of any flavor. Common practice in the past by
> Apple, was that you could not install a OS earlier than the one you
> got when you received it.

Okay. I read [reed] that quite clearly. Thanks for prompting my memory
cells.

> There might have been a few in the 4-6 weeks of stock in the
> pipeline, when 10.7.0 was first released, but I doubt you would find
> a new one now. Try looking at the refurbs, otherwise I would think
> you are out of luck.

I hear you. On the other hand, I trust Apple refurbs totally. I'll
likely go that way.
Unless of course, I hear from someone that there is a way I can utilize
10.6.8 on a brand-new, mid-2012 iMac! Yeah, yeah, I know. MOST
unlikely. I live in hope.

> I have not seen any post or article of a successful emulator running
> 10.6.8.
>
> Brent

Fair enough. I'll do some more looking around and make my decision.
I've long since learned that one's decision may not satisfy all
needs...so, I'll choose from what comes my way.

Many thanks for the options and advise. I do appreciate your help.

keith whaley

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Thu May 17, 2012 4:04 pm (PDT)



Keith Whaley wrote:
> Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>
>> iMac12,1 (21.5", "Mid 2011")
>> iMac12,2 (27", "Mid 2011")
>
> _Precisely_ what I needed to know.
>
> Many thanks, Jim.
>
> keith

OTOH, I just looked up the specs on the mid-2011 iMac, and they say it
comes with Lion installed!

What is the truth, please?

keith whaley

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu May 17, 2012 4:24 pm (PDT)



>>> iMac12,1 (21.5", "Mid 2011")
>>> iMac12,2 (27", "Mid 2011")
>>
>> _Precisely_ what I needed to know.
>> keith
>
> OTOH, I just looked up the specs on the mid-2011 iMac, and they say it
> comes with Lion installed!
>
> What is the truth, please?
> keith whaley

Mactracker (where I've never found an error of significance) tells me:

OVERVIEW
Introduced May 2011
Discontinued --
Model Identifier iMac12,1
Model Number A1311

SOFTWARE
Original OS Mac OS X 10.6.6 (10J4026)
Later OS Mac OS X 10.6.7 (10J4139)
Maximum OS Latest release of Mac OS X
AirDrop Supported
Hardware Test AHT 3A212
Bundled Software iLife '11 (includes iPhoto, iMovie, iWeb, GarageBand)

I don't have an iMac of any persuasions myself.

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net   barryaus

Thu May 17, 2012 4:59 pm (PDT)



At 4:04 PM -0700 5/17/12, Keith Whaley wrote:

>
>
>Keith Whaley wrote:
> > Jim Saklad wrote:
> >
>OTOH, I just looked up the specs on the mid-2011 iMac, and they say it
>comes with Lion installed!
>
>What is the truth, please?

Conceivably it might have been in that period when the machine does
come with Lion but still can run Snow Leopard. Essentially, there are
four stages:
1. Comes with the older OS
2. Comes with the older OS installed, but the box contains a copy of
the newer one. I once got a G3 iBook like that.
3. Comes with the newer OS installed, but is still the older design,
so it can run the older OS.
4. Can run only the newer OS.

See what you can find out from something such as MacTracker.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

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Re: Advice please/10.6.8 dilemma

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Thu May 17, 2012 5:53 pm (PDT)



Barry Austern wrote:
> At 4:04 PM -0700 5/17/12, Keith Whaley wrote:
>
>> Keith Whaley wrote:
>>> Jim Saklad wrote:
>>>
>> OTOH, I just looked up the specs on the mid-2011 iMac, and they say
>> it comes with Lion installed!
>>
>> What is the truth, please?

> Conceivably it might have been in that period when the machine does
> come with Lion but still can run Snow Leopard. Essentially, there
> are four stages:
> 1. Comes with the older OS
> 2. Comes with the older OS installed, but the box contains a copy of the
> newer one. I once got a G3 iBook like that.
> 3. Comes with the newer OS installed, but is still the older design, so it can
> run the older OS.
> 4. Can run only the newer OS.
>
> See what you can find out from something such as MacTracker. -- Barry
> Austern barryaus@fuse.net <mailto:barryaus@fuse.net>

I've received three different answers from Apple themselves. Two of
which say quite clearly that this model was delivered with OS 10.6.6.
That it can use newer OS's is gravy.
I will be able to load my OS 10.6.8 and we'll get along just fine.
I believe... <g>

Thanks for your help.

keith

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5.

North Carolina Apple Data Center Green Energy

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu May 17, 2012 11:04 am (PDT)



Howdy.

Apple's new giant data center / server farm in North Carolina has been
in the news a lot.

Apple Insider article on green energy generation using both solar farms
and fuel cell technology.

This article includes a good aerial photo of the new facility.

Apple's iCloud data center to use 100% renewable energy by end of year

By Slash Lane

Published: 01:39 PM EST (10:39 AM PST)

Apple's main iCloud data center in Maiden, N.C., will be powered
entirely by renewable energy by the end of this year with the
construction of two solar array installations.

<http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/05/17/apples_icloud_data_center_to_use_100_renewable_energy_by_end_of_year.html>

Apple has apparently reached agreement to build a 2nd large data center
in Prineville, Oregon. This is in the eastern Oregon high desert area
which also has good solar power potential (Prineville is near Bend,
Oregon, for those who want to find it on an Internet map).

Denver Dan

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Re: Can't send photo with text message (iPhone 3Gs)

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu May 17, 2012 12:12 pm (PDT)



Howdy.

Messages feature does have a settings command in the Settings section.

Have you checked that to be sure that all of the several things are
turned to On?

This might be stating the obvious which you've been doing, but in case
not, you may need to FIRST select someone's address to send a text
message to. Then SECOND tap the camera icon.

When it's working you should see, after tapping the camera icon, a menu
with 3 command buttons: Take Photo or Video, Choose Existing, and
Cancel.

Denver Dan

On Thu, 17 May 2012 07:15:31 +0000 (GMT), Harry Flaxman wrote:
> On May 16, 2012, at 09:13 PM, DaveC <davec2468@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> As best I understand it by searching the 'net, I should -- when
> creating a text message -- be able to touch the camera icon at the
> corner of the keyboard and access the Photos library or the camera.
>
> The icon is not responding. I touch it and nothing happens.
>
> Is there a setting that should be turned on or such?
>
>
>
> Is the camera icon greyed out? I found this to be the case under one
> account I had on the iPhone. I closed all background apps, shut the
> phone down, and restarted. Everything was well then.
>
> H

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Re: Can't send photo with text message (iPhone 3Gs)

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu May 17, 2012 12:48 pm (PDT)



Clarification.

"This might be stating the obvious which you've been doing" is a
pretty ill-conceived phrase.

I should have said that I might be stating the obvious and this is
something you've already tried.

Denver Dan

On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:12:05 -0400, Denver Dan wrote:
> This might be stating the obvious which you've been doing, but in case
> not, you may need to FIRST select someone's address to send a text
> message to. Then SECOND tap the camera icon.

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Can't Send in Mail

Posted by: "Doris" untoldexpressions@gmail.com   untoldexpressions

Thu May 17, 2012 3:23 pm (PDT)



Hi,

I have a gmail account and I am trying to use Mail. I encountered a
problem in the past and stopped using it but would like to try again.

I deleted the account from Mail and then started over. It is in the
process of downloading my mail.

But it is not sending my composed messages.

I am using 10.6.8, Mail is 4.5. I use AT&T and have a Yahoo email address
which I also used before in Mail (don't remember password) and so sometimes
it tries to use Yahoo to send which obviously doesn't work. But it says
that "smtp.gmail.com:untoldexpressions@gmail.com" is offline. I can't
figure out how to get it "online"

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Doris

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Re: Contact Sheet app for videos - Thumbs

Posted by: "Bill B." bill501@mindspring.com   kernos501

Thu May 17, 2012 3:26 pm (PDT)



Thanks Dan, I've been doing these manually, argh.

Bill

At 9:43 PM -0400 5/16/12, Denver Dan wrote:
>MacUpdate today only (May 16) has a discount price offer for a video
>contact sheet making program named Thumbs.
>
>I just test it and then bought it.
>
>This has been a software area with few offerings for Macintosh.
>
>Price today only via MacUpdate promo is $6.99 USD.
>
>Download it.
>
>Program works by drag n drop and so far has worked very rapidly with
>mov, mpg, avi, and even wmv video file formats.
>
><https://www.mupromo.com/> for discount pricing today only.
>
>Maker's web site is: <http://thumbsapp.com/>

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