Messages In This Digest (19 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Battery Lifetime From: Vishal Sheth
- 1b.
- Re: Battery Lifetime From: Sanjaya Kanoria
- 1c.
- Re: Battery Lifetime From: Jim Saklad
- 1d.
- Re: Battery Lifetime From: Tony
- 1e.
- Re: Battery Lifetime From: Tony
- 2a.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Sandy Foster
- 2b.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: N.A. Nada
- 2c.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Jim Saklad
- 2d.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Jim Saklad
- 2e.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Paul Deyo
- 2f.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Robert Poland
- 2g.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Tony
- 2h.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: lwr32
- 2i.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Techlady
- 2j.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: N.A. Nada
- 2k.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Techlady
- 3.1.
- Re: iTunes users griping about Apple's security questions From: N.A. Nada
- 3.2.
- Re: iTunes users griping about Apple's security questions From: Denise Aboushoushah
- 3.3.
- Re: iTunes users griping about Apple's security questions From: Sanjaya Kanoria
Messages
- 1a.
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Re: Battery Lifetime
Posted by: "Vishal Sheth" vusheth@gmail.com vusheth
Fri May 4, 2012 3:10 am (PDT)
use the option 2. However once a week or fortnight, it would be nice to
discharge it fully and then charge it. Also before charging restart your
phone, now connect the charger. When fully charged then restart while
charging is on and then then when it show full then disconnect. I use this
procedure and I'm happy.
Vishal Sheth
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:01 PM, whiterabbit32 <whiterabbit32@gmail.com >wrote:
> **
>
>
> It use to be said that a computer battery needs to be cycled ever so often
> to keep the battery memory at full capacity. When I got my first phone, t
> used that as my guide. With today's new batteries, I don't know if that is
> true anymore. I've read pros and cons on it. Any suggestions from the group
> would be helpful :-)
>
> Alice
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 10:44 PM, "Wilton" <wilton.hart@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> > Over the last few weeks I have been asking my friends about how they
> charge their phones. There seems to be two extremes.
> >
> > Method One
> > Use the phone until the battery is about 90% gone and then put it on the
> charger. Allow it to fully charge and then take if off the charger. This
> matches how my phone gets charged when I travel.
> >
> > Method Two
> > Every evening the phone is connected to a wall charger next to the bed
> and the phone is left connected over night. It then charges from 7 to 10
> hours every day. The phone never gets run down very far using this method.
> >
> > The questions is, which method results in a longer battery life?
> >
> > Most batteries are specified to have say X number of recharge cycles.
> This changes with manufacture and chemistry.
> >
> > If the charge controller in the phone does a good job then charging the
> phone every night causes the phone to run off its battery about 1/3 less
> hours every day. This in turn, cuts down on the total number of cycles by
> 1/3 which seems to say the battery should last longer.
> >
> > Does this make sense?
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: Battery Lifetime
Posted by: "Sanjaya Kanoria" wsbunter@gmail.com zixxwr
Fri May 4, 2012 7:39 am (PDT)
This doesn't apply to these new batteries. One very wise person in the group said that everytime you add power to the battery you're helping it. so one doesn't have to wait at all for complete discharge.
On 04-May-2012, at 3:27 PM, Vishal Sheth <vusheth@gmail.com > wrote:
> use the option 2. However once a week or fortnight, it would be nice to
> discharge it fully and then charge it. Also before charging restart your
> phone, now connect the charger. When fully charged then restart while
> charging is on and then then when it show full then disconnect. I use this
> procedure and I'm happy.
>
> Vishal Sheth
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:01 PM, whiterabbit32 <whiterabbit32@gmail.com >wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > It use to be said that a computer battery needs to be cycled ever so often
> > to keep the battery memory at full capacity. When I got my first phone, t
> > used that as my guide. With today's new batteries, I don't know if that is
> > true anymore. I've read pros and cons on it. Any suggestions from the group
> > would be helpful :-)
> >
> > Alice
> > Sent from my iPhone 4
> >
> >
> > On May 3, 2012, at 10:44 PM, "Wilton" <wilton.hart@gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > > Over the last few weeks I have been asking my friends about how they
> > charge their phones. There seems to be two extremes.
> > >
> > > Method One
> > > Use the phone until the battery is about 90% gone and then put it on the
> > charger. Allow it to fully charge and then take if off the charger. This
> > matches how my phone gets charged when I travel.
> > >
> > > Method Two
> > > Every evening the phone is connected to a wall charger next to the bed
> > and the phone is left connected over night. It then charges from 7 to 10
> > hours every day. The phone never gets run down very far using this method.
> > >
> > > The questions is, which method results in a longer battery life?
> > >
> > > Most batteries are specified to have say X number of recharge cycles.
> > This changes with manufacture and chemistry.
> > >
> > > If the charge controller in the phone does a good job then charging the
> > phone every night causes the phone to run off its battery about 1/3 less
> > hours every day. This in turn, cuts down on the total number of cycles by
> > 1/3 which seems to say the battery should last longer.
> > >
> > > Does this make sense?
> > >
> > > Wilton
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Re: Battery Lifetime
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri May 4, 2012 9:11 am (PDT)
> The questions is, which method results in a longer battery life?
>
> Most batteries are specified to have say X number of recharge cycles. This changes with manufacture and chemistry.
Apple has stated (and I have previously posted here, so I am not going to again), that the batteries in iDevices should be expected to be permanently depleted (to only 80% of original capacity) after about 1000 FULL recharge cyles OR THEIR EQUIVALENT (meaning, for example, 2000 half-charges).
So if you fully deplete it by bedtime, then plug it in to recharge overnight, and do that every single day, at the end of 3 years it should have about 80% of its original capacity. So:
1. How long do you expect to keep and use it before replacing or upgrading to whatever is newer and better?
2. If, after three years or less, it is behaving as if its battery is not living up to those numbers, it is highly likely that Apple will repair or replace it.
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Re: Battery Lifetime
Posted by: "Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz tdale@xtra.co.nz
Fri May 4, 2012 3:20 pm (PDT)
The methods won't make any difference.
If a battery has a 1000 charge cycle life, that can be 1000 rundowns and full charges. it could be 2000 charges at 50%. The charge cycle life is based on x times full charges. If you charge it at say 67% 3 times that is one charge cycle, i.e 3 charges where it charges 33%
--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups. , "Wilton" <wilton.hart@com ...> wrote:
>
> Over the last few weeks I have been asking my friends about how they charge their phones. There seems to be two extremes.
>
> Method One
> Use the phone until the battery is about 90% gone and then put it on the charger. Allow it to fully charge and then take if off the charger. This matches how my phone gets charged when I travel.
>
> Method Two
> Every evening the phone is connected to a wall charger next to the bed and the phone is left connected over night. It then charges from 7 to 10 hours every day. The phone never gets run down very far using this method.
>
> The questions is, which method results in a longer battery life?
>
> Most batteries are specified to have say X number of recharge cycles. This changes with manufacture and chemistry.
>
> If the charge controller in the phone does a good job then charging the phone every night causes the phone to run off its battery about 1/3 less hours every day. This in turn, cuts down on the total number of cycles by 1/3 which seems to say the battery should last longer.
>
> Does this make sense?
>
> Wilton
>
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Re: Battery Lifetime
Posted by: "Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz tdale@xtra.co.nz
Fri May 4, 2012 3:57 pm (PDT)
I read recently that it is bad for the battery to run it to dead. Also, it is important to allow the ectrons to be active, so best not to leave the phone, or more likely an iPad, dormant and powered off for too long
--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups. , Vishal Sheth <vusheth@...com > wrote:
>
> use the option 2. However once a week or fortnight, it would be nice to
> discharge it fully and then charge it. Also before charging restart your
> phone, now connect the charger. When fully charged then restart while
> charging is on and then then when it show full then disconnect. I use this
> procedure and I'm happy.
>
>
> Vishal Sheth
>
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:01 PM, whiterabbit32 <whiterabbit32@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > It use to be said that a computer battery needs to be cycled ever so often
> > to keep the battery memory at full capacity. When I got my first phone, t
> > used that as my guide. With today's new batteries, I don't know if that is
> > true anymore. I've read pros and cons on it. Any suggestions from the group
> > would be helpful :-)
> >
> > Alice
> > Sent from my iPhone 4
> >
> >
> > On May 3, 2012, at 10:44 PM, "Wilton" <wilton.hart@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Over the last few weeks I have been asking my friends about how they
> > charge their phones. There seems to be two extremes.
> > >
> > > Method One
> > > Use the phone until the battery is about 90% gone and then put it on the
> > charger. Allow it to fully charge and then take if off the charger. This
> > matches how my phone gets charged when I travel.
> > >
> > > Method Two
> > > Every evening the phone is connected to a wall charger next to the bed
> > and the phone is left connected over night. It then charges from 7 to 10
> > hours every day. The phone never gets run down very far using this method.
> > >
> > > The questions is, which method results in a longer battery life?
> > >
> > > Most batteries are specified to have say X number of recharge cycles.
> > This changes with manufacture and chemistry.
> > >
> > > If the charge controller in the phone does a good job then charging the
> > phone every night causes the phone to run off its battery about 1/3 less
> > hours every day. This in turn, cuts down on the total number of cycles by
> > 1/3 which seems to say the battery should last longer.
> > >
> > > Does this make sense?
> > >
> > > Wilton
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Sandy Foster" sw.foster1@gmail.com sandy_quilter
Fri May 4, 2012 7:39 am (PDT)
Just before I was asked to fill out the new security questions, my credit card was hacked. The bank thinks that someone used one of those perfectly legal hand-held scanners to get the number, either from my purse or from my husband's pocket. At any rate, whoever ended up with the credit card number immediately made hotel reservations in Podunkville, Upper Slobovia, and then purchased some rather pricey stuff from the Apple iTunes Store.
After the inconvenience of getting all of that straightened out, including being without a valid credit card for as long as it took the bank to send a new one, I was perfectly happy to increase the security of my Apple ID. ;)
---
Sandy
http://www.sandymike.net
http://www.sandywf.blogspot. com
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Fri May 4, 2012 8:14 am (PDT)
You know, for those of us that went in and checked our accounts before the message came up, were asked only one security question.
Years ago, when someone on a list complained that their iTunes was hacked, I went in and check the security settings of mine, answered a security question, and adjusted a few more settings. I now do this whenever I set up a new account anywhere, and I set it up in my password vault app at the same time.
And yes, the security question is probably used most often when you forget your password and have to reset it.
What I have always wondered, is why 99% of the companies overlook one simple extra layer of security. Make the user name case sensitive. Since most people use the same user name it is limited, especially when they use it publicly on the web.
But when you use different user names, and it is case sensitive, it can add a whole extra layer of security. For example, if one person used the following for their different accounts:
Myname, mYnAME, yourname, forWards, sDrawKCab, and sideways.
Now add numerals and special characters. If user names were case sensitive, it would be like using two passwords.
Yeah, security is not for the quick, convenient or lazy, it is for the patient and secure.
Brent
On May 3, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> I agree with Brent's sentiments.
>
> One point overlooked is that everyone on this list and most other boards talking about this issue have perhaps not looked outside the square. People everywhere are trying to rack their 50 year old (+ ?) memories for their first car, attractive teacher, etc. You don't have to be honest about this. Just write any word (s) for each answer which you can easily remember - yellow, bear, cabbage, ... anything. Apple neither knows nor cares what answer you record just as long as you can repeat it when required.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri May 4, 2012 9:12 am (PDT)
Thank you for a voice of reason!
-- From my iPad --
> One point overlooked is that everyone on this list and most other boards talking about this issue have perhaps not looked outside the square. People everywhere are trying to rack their 50 year old (+ ?) memories for their first car, attractive teacher, etc. You don't have to be honest about this. Just write any word (s) for each answer which you can easily remember - yellow, bear, cabbage, ... anything. Apple neither knows nor cares what answer you record just as long as you can repeat it when required.
>
> Another point is that you can change your answers to these questions if you now are dissatisfied.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Fri May 4, 2012 9:14 am (PDT)
> Just before I was asked to fill out the new security questions, my credit card was hacked. The bank thinks that someone used one of those perfectly legal hand-held scanners to get the number, either from my purse or from my husband's pocket.
Cards that have built-in RFID chips can be remotely read, but not at much of a distance.
Cards that do NOT, have to be physically passed through a hand-scanner by a mal-doer.
I carry 2 wallets, partly so neither is quite so thick with cards and stuff. One of them is a Faraday cage (google it), and that is where I keep any card I think has an RFID chip in it; they cannot be read -- or even *detected* when they are in that wallet.
Mine comes from <http://difrwear.com/ >
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Paul Deyo" paul.deyo@gmail.com crewcheef
Fri May 4, 2012 9:21 am (PDT)
I was sitting at my Mac one day a few months ago and got an email receipt for buying some funky game on iTunes. 30 seconds later I got another one and another and another. My iTunes account was tied to Paypal so I immediately called Paypal and they broke the connection to iTunes and disabled my iTunes account. All this within about 10 minutes. So much for $100. No telling what would have happened if I was out plowing or cutting hay. Paypal was very nice and refunded the money back to my credit card that was tied to Paypal. Of course now Paypal thinks I am a crook so they hold any money in my paypal account for 2 week. It also took a long time for the money to show back up on my credit card. My Apple password at that time was 12 characters of mixed letters, numbers and special characters. I find it virtually impossible that someone could have guessed it or figured it out. My old iTunes account is still locked and I now have a new one. I also lost all apps that I had bought. Its enjoyable to make fun of Apple for the extra security but I for one am glad they did it. I wonder if the culprit is a member of this list and uses info he/she sees here to hack a password.
--
Paul
On Friday, May 4, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Sandy Foster wrote:
> Just before I was asked to fill out the new security questions, my credit card was hacked. The bank thinks that someone used one of those perfectly legal hand-held scanners to get the number, either from my purse or from my husband̢۪s pocket. At any rate, whoever ended up with the credit card number immediately made hotel reservations in Podunkville, Upper Slobovia, and then purchased some rather pricey stuff from the Apple iTunes Store.
>
> After the inconvenience of getting all of that straightened out, including being without a valid credit card for as long as it took the bank to send a new one, I was perfectly happy to increase the security of my Apple ID. ;)
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Robert Poland" rpoland@usa.net rpoland
Fri May 4, 2012 9:22 am (PDT)
Seems to me that most people have ot have some kind of password handler. I use "Data Guardian". It has a comment storage area that could be used to store such things as the questions referenced here.
On May 4, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> Thank you for a voice of reason!
>
> -- From my iPad --
>
>> One point overlooked is that everyone on this list and most other boards talking about this issue have perhaps not looked outside the square. People everywhere are trying to rack their 50 year old (+ ?) memories for their first car, attractive teacher, etc. You don't have to be honest about this. Just write any word (s) for each answer which you can easily remember - yellow, bear, cabbage, ... anything. Apple neither knows nor cares what answer you record just as long as you can repeat it when required.
>>
>> Another point is that you can change your answers to these questions if you now are dissatisfied.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Tony" tdale@xtra.co.nz tdale@xtra.co.nz
Fri May 4, 2012 3:20 pm (PDT)
I agree.
I cannot now recall what my answers were as I made them up asno questions worked for me. What can I do if I get asked for the answers, is there a forgotten answer option?
--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups. , whiterabbit32 <whiterabbit32@com ...> wrote:
>
> You took the words right out of my mouth on that one :-) Users bad habits. Apple has all of us fill out security questions because of the bad habits of some people. Maybe that's why people are whining about it? It doesn't bother me that Apple has taken an extra step in security measures for us. It just makes me think is Apple going to go further? How much further? On the other hand, hasn't it been the users responsibility to come up with a strong password? The tools Apple gives you are only as good as the user makes them (if that makes sense).
>
> Alice
> Sent from my iPhone 4
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "lwr32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com lwr0032
Fri May 4, 2012 4:24 pm (PDT)
Someone hacked my PayPal account a couple years ago. They had the nerve to out a shipping address in my account. I used Google maps to look up the address. It was an empty lot in the middle of a warehouse area outside of Chicago. I had PayPal discontinue my account and I resigned up.
̡١ Alice
On May 4, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Paul Deyo <paul.deyo@gmail.com > wrote:
> I was sitting at my Mac one day a few months ago and got an email receipt for buying some funky game on iTunes. 30 seconds later I got another one and another and another. My iTunes account was tied to Paypal so I immediately called Paypal and they broke the connection to iTunes and disabled my iTunes account. All this within about 10 minutes. So much for $100. No telling what would have happened if I was out plowing or cutting hay. Paypal was very nice and refunded the money back to my credit card that was tied to Paypal. Of course now Paypal thinks I am a crook so they hold any money in my paypal account for 2 week. It also took a long time for the money to show back up on my credit card. My Apple password at that time was 12 characters of mixed letters, numbers and special characters. I find it virtually impossible that someone could have guessed it or figured it out. My old iTunes account is still locked and I now have a new one. I also lost all apps that I had bought. Its enjoyable to make fun of Apple for the extra security but I for one am glad they did it. I wonder if the culprit is a member of this list and uses info he/she sees here to hack a password.
>
> --
> Paul
>
> On Friday, May 4, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Sandy Foster wrote:
>
> > Just before I was asked to fill out the new security questions, my credit card was hacked. The bank thinks that someone used one of those perfectly legal hand-held scanners to get the number, either from my purse or from my husband̢۪s pocket. At any rate, whoever ended up with the credit card number immediately made hotel reservations in Podunkville, Upper Slobovia, and then purchased some rather pricey stuff from the Apple iTunes Store.
> >
> > After the inconvenience of getting all of that straightened out, including being without a valid credit card for as long as it took the bank to send a new one, I was perfectly happy to increase the security of my Apple ID. ;)
>
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Techlady" techlady04@yahoo.com techlady04
Fri May 4, 2012 4:50 pm (PDT)
I wholeheartedly agree. I never complain about added security!
Camille
On May 4, 2012, at 7:24 PM, lwr32 <whiterabbit32@gmail.com > wrote:
> Its enjoyable to make fun of Apple for the extra security but I for one am glad they did it
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Fri May 4, 2012 5:23 pm (PDT)
Go to appleid.pple.com, go to manage your account, sign in with your user name and password, while you remember it, and change the answers and write it down.
During this thread, it has been posted at least twice that you can go in and change your answers.
Once you forget your password, you are out of luck.
On May 4, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Tony wrote:
> I agree.
>
> I cannot now recall what my answers were as I made them up asno questions worked for me. What can I do if I get asked for the answers, is there a forgotten answer option?
>
> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups. , whiterabbit32 <whiterabbit32@com ...> wrote:
> >
> > You took the words right out of my mouth on that one :-) Users bad habits. Apple has all of us fill out security questions because of the bad habits of some people. Maybe that's why people are whining about it? It doesn't bother me that Apple has taken an extra step in security measures for us. It just makes me think is Apple going to go further? How much further? On the other hand, hasn't it been the users responsibility to come up with a strong password? The tools Apple gives you are only as good as the user makes them (if that makes sense).
> >
> > Alice
> > Sent from my iPhone 4
>
>
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Techlady" techlady04@yahoo.com techlady04
Fri May 4, 2012 7:39 pm (PDT)
I take screen shots of my answers.
On May 4, 2012, at 8:00 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> Go to appleid.pple.com, go to manage your account, sign in with your user name and password, while you remember it, and change the answers and write it down.
>
> During this thread, it has been posted at least twice that you can go in and change your answers.
>
> Once you forget your password, you are out of luck.
>
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Tony wrote:
>
>> I agree.
>>
>> I cannot now recall what my answers were as I made them up asno questions worked for me. What can I do if I get asked for the answers, is there a forgotten answer option?
>>
>> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups. , whiterabbit32 <whiterabbit32@com ...> wrote:
>>>
>>> You took the words right out of my mouth on that one :-) Users bad habits. Apple has all of us fill out security questions because of the bad habits of some people. Maybe that's why people are whining about it? It doesn't bother me that Apple has taken an extra step in security measures for us. It just makes me think is Apple going to go further? How much further? On the other hand, hasn't it been the users responsibility to come up with a strong password? The tools Apple gives you are only as good as the user makes them (if that makes sense).
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Re: iTunes users griping about Apple's security questions
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Fri May 4, 2012 9:14 am (PDT)
You nicely edited out parts of my post, so you could argue with nothing but opinion and no facts. You left out the part where I said:
"For years, I have only read about one book a year for pleasure. I listen to one to two audio books a week for pleasure, sometimes polishing off as many as five in a week. I listen while I commute, performing boring tasks at work, long distance driving, gardening, cooking, or sitting in a sports bar (because I am not a sports fan)."
Your argument below is that, " It is too easy to turn on an audio book in situations when picking up a book or your idevice is readily available to read."
How would you suggest that I pick up a book to read when I am driving, performing a boring tasks at work, gardening or cooking?
Yeah, we can all find the one exception to a "rule", and I have been known to carry a real paper book into a bar and sit and read. And I don't give one hoot about what anyone says or thinks about it. But I always have my iPhone with me and so I always have a couple of audio books with me.
If you have a personal preference for paper books, over digital e-books or audio books, that is fine too. But don't tell everyone else that they are lazy because they listen to audio books. That is just prejudice. Choose a better way of phrasing it, like by saying that by using audio books you don't practice your reading skills. Which could be true, if that were the only reading being done, but you will be hard pressed to find a person like that.
I relocated twice for work in a year, so my personal library was reduced in size. The pleasure reading printed books were reduced the most, but besides the professional reading material that was kept, are books that have been kept of historical events, some private printings by UPI for employees only and a coffee table book including my great-uncle's 1945 Pulitzer Prize wining photo and the 1951 Pulitzer Prize photo that beat out my dad's photo, although I am not a religious person, 4 bibles of various versions and faiths, A copy of the Bill of Rights, bunches of cook books, several of my favorite pleasure reading books, and a few old, obscure books that make the reader think about current events.
If you included the other part you left out of my post, "Audio books don't work well for studying or research. I read ASME standards, OSHA regulations, and professional journals for work, so don't anyone dare call me a lazy reader.", you would see that I practice my reading skills a lot. I just chose to use audio books for pleasure reading so that I can get more reading in.
The standards and regulations I read for work are some of the most obtuse, obscure and convoluted material that you will ever encounter. It is reading that has to be done with highlighters, pen and paper, and I have to make sense of it and interpret it. Since I am reading about safety issues, if I am wrong, someone could die. There is no do-overs after dropping a 40 metric ton piece of equipment on a person. So when I read for pleasure, I listen to audio books, and usually while I am doing other things.
Actually, I do throw in a few biographies and historical books in with my audio pleasure reading.
Alice, I believe you are a moderator on another list, but right now you are acting like a troll, only you are right and everyone else is wrong.
And we have strayed far enough from the subject of this thread and the list.
the other Brent
On May 3, 2012, at 11:54 PM, whiterabbit32 wrote:
>
>
> Alice
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
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> >
> > Audio books don't work well for studying or research. I read ASME standards, OSHA regulations, and professional journals for work, so don't anyone dare call me a lazy reader.
> >
> I never called you a lazy reader.
> > So Alice, do you want to rethink that opinion about audio books? And while you are at it, rethink dictation, too. There a"re times when dictation is appropriate, and I can not think of one situation where I would call it lazy.
> >
> >
> No, I do not want to rethink my opinion of audio books and dictation. It is too easy to turn on an audio book in situations when picking up a book or your idevice is readily available to read. It's like the calculator, there's all kinds of situations where a calculator is very useful but taken out of those situations and used, math skills are lost. Same with reading and writing.
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Re: iTunes users griping about Apple's security questions
Posted by: "Denise Aboushoushah" dajudges@yahoo.co.uk dajudges
Fri May 4, 2012 9:33 am (PDT)
I agree with you all Audio books are wonderful I read about two books a week by actual reading but I also listen to audio books when I am cross stitching and while my husband watches football.
Denise
In sunny Saudi Arabia
On 4 May 2012, at 08:19, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> Well, I agree with Gretchen and Brian. Using audio books is not being lazy.
>
> For years, I have only read about one book a year for pleasure. I listen to one to two audio books a week for pleasure, sometimes polishing off as many as five in a week. I listen while I commute, performing boring tasks at work, long distance driving, gardening, cooking, or sitting in a sports bar (because I am not a sports fan).
>
> Audio books don't work well for studying or research. I read ASME standards, OSHA regulations, and professional journals for work, so don't anyone dare call me a lazy reader.
>
> So Alice, do you want to rethink that opinion about audio books? And while you are at it, rethink dictation, too. There are times when dictation is appropriate, and I can not think of one situation where I would call it lazy.
>
> Brent
>
> -This post typed with all ten of my fingers.
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Brian Bozzo wrote:
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> > I'm with Gretchen on this one. I can lay on a couch and read or I can listen to an audio book while I go for a run. Which sounds lazy now :)
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On May 3, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Gretchen Hunter <gretchenhunter@mac.com > wrote:
> >
> > > No offense Alice, but audiobooks and dictation are hardly lazy. I have an hour commute one way, and audiobooks are a Godsend. I use dictation less, but it can often save me time on some projects.
> > >
> > > I still read and type much more than listen and talk, but I like the option. With audiobooks and eBooks, my reading has increased dramatically.
> > >
> > > Gretchen
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On May 3, 2012, at 7:44 PM, lwr32 <whiterabbit32@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dictation certainly is the lazy way of doing things for those of us who don't really need it. Audiobooks too. There are those that really need it and it's great for them. I'm one that Doesn't need dictation, so haven't used it.
> > >>
> > >> Reading, writing and typing are becoming lost forms of communication. Audiobooks have made it so most people don't read books anymore. Siri and other forms of dictation software have made it so people don't type anymore. One wonders why quite a few businesses want degrees even for low wage jobs. Could it be that having a degree means you can read, write and form complete sentences?
> > >>
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Re: iTunes users griping about Apple's security questions
Posted by: "Sanjaya Kanoria" wsbunter@gmail.com zixxwr
Fri May 4, 2012 12:35 pm (PDT)
Ladies and gentlemen ... this really isn't the forum ...
On 04-May-2012, at 9:33 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> You nicely edited out parts of my post, so you could argue with nothing but opinion and no facts. You left out the part where I said:
>
> "For years, I have only read about one book a year for pleasure. I listen to one to two audio books a week for pleasure, sometimes polishing off as many as five in a week. I listen while I commute, performing boring tasks at work, long distance driving, gardening, cooking, or sitting in a sports bar (because I am not a sports fan)."
>
> Your argument below is that, " It is too easy to turn on an audio book in situations when picking up a book or your idevice is readily available to read."
>
> How would you suggest that I pick up a book to read when I am driving, performing a boring tasks at work, gardening or cooking?
>
> Yeah, we can all find the one exception to a "rule", and I have been known to carry a real paper book into a bar and sit and read. And I don't give one hoot about what anyone says or thinks about it. But I always have my iPhone with me and so I always have a couple of audio books with me.
>
> If you have a personal preference for paper books, over digital e-books or audio books, that is fine too. But don't tell everyone else that they are lazy because they listen to audio books. That is just prejudice. Choose a better way of phrasing it, like by saying that by using audio books you don't practice your reading skills. Which could be true, if that were the only reading being done, but you will be hard pressed to find a person like that.
>
> I relocated twice for work in a year, so my personal library was reduced in size. The pleasure reading printed books were reduced the most, but besides the professional reading material that was kept, are books that have been kept of historical events, some private printings by UPI for employees only and a coffee table book including my great-uncle's 1945 Pulitzer Prize wining photo and the 1951 Pulitzer Prize photo that beat out my dad's photo, although I am not a religious person, 4 bibles of various versions and faiths, A copy of the Bill of Rights, bunches of cook books, several of my favorite pleasure reading books, and a few old, obscure books that make the reader think about current events.
>
> If you included the other part you left out of my post, "Audio books don't work well for studying or research. I read ASME standards, OSHA regulations, and professional journals for work, so don't anyone dare call me a lazy reader.", you would see that I practice my reading skills a lot. I just chose to use audio books for pleasure reading so that I can get more reading in.
>
> The standards and regulations I read for work are some of the most obtuse, obscure and convoluted material that you will ever encounter. It is reading that has to be done with highlighters, pen and paper, and I have to make sense of it and interpret it. Since I am reading about safety issues, if I am wrong, someone could die. There is no do-overs after dropping a 40 metric ton piece of equipment on a person. So when I read for pleasure, I listen to audio books, and usually while I am doing other things.
>
> Actually, I do throw in a few biographies and historical books in with my audio pleasure reading.
>
> Alice, I believe you are a moderator on another list, but right now you are acting like a troll, only you are right and everyone else is wrong.
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> And we have strayed far enough from the subject of this thread and the list.
>
> the other Brent
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 11:54 PM, whiterabbit32 wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Alice
> > Sent from my iPhone 4
> >
> > On May 3, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Audio books don't work well for studying or research. I read ASME standards, OSHA regulations, and professional journals for work, so don't anyone dare call me a lazy reader.
> > >
> > I never called you a lazy reader.
> > > So Alice, do you want to rethink that opinion about audio books? And while you are at it, rethink dictation, too. There a"re times when dictation is appropriate, and I can not think of one situation where I would call it lazy.
> > >
> > >
> > No, I do not want to rethink my opinion of audio books and dictation. It is too easy to turn on an audio book in situations when picking up a book or your idevice is readily available to read. It's like the calculator, there's all kinds of situations where a calculator is very useful but taken out of those situations and used, math skills are lost. Same with reading and writing.
>
>
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