Messages In This Digest (16 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Patti A Robertson
- 1.2.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: N.A. Nada
- 1.3.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Sanjaya Kanoria
- 1.4.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Patti A Robertson
- 1.5.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: N.A. Nada
- 1.6.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Jim Smith
- 1.7.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: N.A. Nada
- 1.8.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Jim Saklad
- 1.9.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Patti A Robertson
- 1.10.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Richard Bauer
- 1.11.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Richard Bauer
- 1.12.
- Re: apple id confirmation From: Jim Smith
- 2.
- AT&T CEO bemoans iPhone unlimited data, iMessage From: Brent
- 3a.
- Lost PDF From: Robert Poland
- 3b.
- Re: Lost PDF From: Robert Poland
- 4a.
- Re: iPhone Apps Grayed out on iTunes From: SmokieTopaz
Messages
- 1.1.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Patti A Robertson" pattiandken@charter.net parpiano
Sat May 5, 2012 3:28 am (PDT)
Yes, but that's exactly the problem - how will I ever remember the answer to a question I don't remember the answer to, if I pick a "bad" answer?
The problem is with the questions.
Patti
On May 3, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> I agree with Brent's sentiments.
>
> One point overlooked is that everyone on this list and most other boards talking about this issue have perhaps not looked outside the square. People everywhere are trying to rack their 50 year old (+ ?) memories for their first car, attractive teacher, etc. You don't have to be honest about this. Just write any word (s) for each answer which you can easily remember - yellow, bear, cabbage, ... anything. Apple neither knows nor cares what answer you record just as long as you can repeat it when required.
>
> Another point is that you can change your answers to these questions if you now are dissatisfied. See these posts:
> <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18247356 #18247356
> <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18198778 #18198778
> <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18192916 #18192916
>
> Finally, since completing those security questions I have purchased several albums, a few single songs and at least two apps from the iTunes Store. I have not been asked my security questions.
>
> ..................... ...
>
> Peter Sealy
> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
>
> On 04/05/2012, at 10:32 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:
>
> > Why do you feel that?
> >
> > This is exactly the same as what your bank and credit card companies have asked you. iTunes, your bank and your credit cards all deal with YOUR money, don't they? And you expect them to safe guard your money, don't you?
> >
> > With the whining on the tech blogs and the negative posts on the tech lists about hacked iTunes accounts, I think it is way over due, but not as elegantly done as Apple normally operates. Even if I feel a lot of the hacked accounts are because of bad user habits, i.e. weak passwords or using only one password for everything.
> >
> > Just my opinion,
> >
> > Brent
> >
> > On May 3, 2012, at 4:47 PM, lwr32 wrote:
> >
> > > I've already filled out the questions. Yes, I do think Apple is getting paranoid about accounts getting hacked.
> > >
> > > 🐰 Alice
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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- 1.2.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Sat May 5, 2012 3:28 am (PDT)
I really suggest that you use a password vault app, most have a space for notes, so it is secure, and one that syncs with another device, like your cell phone.
Because even if you put the screen shot in a encrypted disk image, what's your pack up and how do you update your back ups? How do you access it on vacation, when you discover a problem?
On May 4, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Techlady wrote:
> I take screen shots of my answers.
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 8:00 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>
> > Go to appleid.pple.com, go to manage your account, sign in with your user name and password, while you remember it, and change the answers and write it down.
> >
> > During this thread, it has been posted at least twice that you can go in and change your answers.
> >
> > Once you forget your password, you are out of luck.
> >
> >
> > On May 4, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Tony wrote:
> >
> >> I agree.
> >>
> >> I cannot now recall what my answers were as I made them up asno questions worked for me. What can I do if I get asked for the answers, is there a forgotten answer option?
> >>
> >> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups. , whiterabbit32 <whiterabbit32@com ...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You took the words right out of my mouth on that one :-) Users bad habits. Apple has all of us fill out security questions because of the bad habits of some people. Maybe that's why people are whining about it? It doesn't bother me that Apple has taken an extra step in security measures for us. It just makes me think is Apple going to go further? How much further? On the other hand, hasn't it been the users responsibility to come up with a strong password? The tools Apple gives you are only as good as the user makes them (if that makes sense).
>
- 1.3.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Sanjaya Kanoria" wsbunter@gmail.com zixxwr
Sat May 5, 2012 12:33 pm (PDT)
If you answer with just anything how on earth are you going to remember your answers? One may just as well use a very long and impossible to remember password. No solution at all my friend.
On 05-May-2012, at 11:37 AM, Patti A Robertson <pattiandken@charter.net > wrote:
> Yes, but that's exactly the problem - how will I ever remember the answer to a question I don't remember the answer to, if I pick a "bad" answer?
>
> The problem is with the questions.
>
> Patti
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
>
> > I agree with Brent's sentiments.
> >
> > One point overlooked is that everyone on this list and most other boards talking about this issue have perhaps not looked outside the square. People everywhere are trying to rack their 50 year old (+ ?) memories for their first car, attractive teacher, etc. You don't have to be honest about this. Just write any word (s) for each answer which you can easily remember - yellow, bear, cabbage, ... anything. Apple neither knows nor cares what answer you record just as long as you can repeat it when required.
> >
> > Another point is that you can change your answers to these questions if you now are dissatisfied. See these posts:
> > <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18247356 #18247356
> > <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18198778 #18198778
> > <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18192916 #18192916
> >
> > Finally, since completing those security questions I have purchased several albums, a few single songs and at least two apps from the iTunes Store. I have not been asked my security questions.
> >
> > ..................... ...
> >
> > Peter Sealy
> > Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
> >
> > On 04/05/2012, at 10:32 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> >
> > > Why do you feel that?
> > >
> > > This is exactly the same as what your bank and credit card companies have asked you. iTunes, your bank and your credit cards all deal with YOUR money, don't they? And you expect them to safe guard your money, don't you?
> > >
> > > With the whining on the tech blogs and the negative posts on the tech lists about hacked iTunes accounts, I think it is way over due, but not as elegantly done as Apple normally operates. Even if I feel a lot of the hacked accounts are because of bad user habits, i.e. weak passwords or using only one password for everything.
> > >
> > > Just my opinion,
> > >
> > > Brent
> > >
> > > On May 3, 2012, at 4:47 PM, lwr32 wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've already filled out the questions. Yes, I do think Apple is getting paranoid about accounts getting hacked.
> > > >
> > > > 🐰 Alice
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
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- 1.4.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Patti A Robertson" pattiandken@charter.net parpiano
Sat May 5, 2012 1:17 pm (PDT)
Exactly. The thing is, I hardly knew the answer to a single question - I mean, sure, I know what the first car I drove was, but would I answer with that, or the first car I actually owned? Would I remember which choice I made later?
Passwords are really getting to be a major pain. There must be a better way...
Patti
On May 5, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Sanjaya Kanoria wrote:
> If you answer with just anything how on earth are you going to remember your answers? One may just as well use a very long and impossible to remember password. No solution at all my friend.
>
> On 05-May-2012, at 11:37 AM, Patti A Robertson <pattiandken@charter.net > wrote:
>
> > Yes, but that's exactly the problem - how will I ever remember the answer to a question I don't remember the answer to, if I pick a "bad" answer?
> >
> > The problem is with the questions.
> >
> > Patti
> >
> > On May 3, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with Brent's sentiments.
> > >
> > > One point overlooked is that everyone on this list and most other boards talking about this issue have perhaps not looked outside the square. People everywhere are trying to rack their 50 year old (+ ?) memories for their first car, attractive teacher, etc. You don't have to be honest about this. Just write any word (s) for each answer which you can easily remember - yellow, bear, cabbage, ... anything. Apple neither knows nor cares what answer you record just as long as you can repeat it when required.
> > >
> > > Another point is that you can change your answers to these questions if you now are dissatisfied. See these posts:
> > > <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18247356 #18247356
> > > <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18198778 #18198778
> > > <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18192916 #18192916
> > >
> > > Finally, since completing those security questions I have purchased several albums, a few single songs and at least two apps from the iTunes Store. I have not been asked my security questions.
> > >
> > > Peter Sealy
> > >
> > > On 04/05/2012, at 10:32 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why do you feel that?
> > > >
> > > > This is exactly the same as what your bank and credit card companies have asked you. iTunes, your bank and your credit cards all deal with YOUR money, don't they? And you expect them to safe guard your money, don't you?
> > > >
> > > > With the whining on the tech blogs and the negative posts on the tech lists about hacked iTunes accounts, I think it is way over due, but not as elegantly done as Apple normally operates. Even if I feel a lot of the hacked accounts are because of bad user habits, i.e. weak passwords or using only one password for everything.
> > > >
> > > > Just my opinion,
> > > >
> > > > Brent
> > > >
> > > > On May 3, 2012, at 4:47 PM, lwr32 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've already filled out the questions. Yes, I do think Apple is getting paranoid about accounts getting hacked.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alice
- 1.5.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Sat May 5, 2012 1:35 pm (PDT)
Patti and Sanjaya,
The problem is not with the questions or your memory, it is __that you are trying to remember the answers__. Look them up in a password vault application.
I have over 400 entries in my password vault app. 90% of the passwords are randomly generated, and many of the answers are randomly generated gibberish also. Think of the questions as just numbers. When you get asked place of birth, that means "supply answer number 3", and reply with answer 3 for this site. That answer could be Patagonia, Pride and Prejudice, 4th of July, a phone number or gibberish. Randomly generated gibberish is better, because we all tend to repeat things and or are predictable.
My password vault app is on two of my computers and my cellphone. All nicely encrypted and available to me whenever I need them, even if one of the devices is not working, or say I booted into Boot Camp, or I am at the airport.
And I highly recommend not using the auto-fill feature for you, or syncing to the clouds. The few seconds it take for you to look up the passwords are moments to reflect on whether this is a valid site, reconsider the purchase, or if you are being swindled. You may save a few seconds, but you may lose security and money.
If I were to go looking to steal a bunch of passwords, I wouldn't go looking for individual computers to hack, I would go to the mother lode and hack a password server. Instead of a few hundred passwords for everything under the sun, I would go after tens of thousands of passwords and sort through and get the ones that represent money, not some online library card.
The police asked the bank robber why he kept robbing banks, and he answered, "Because that is where they keep the money." That is why they keep hacking servers like Paypal or iTunes. That is where the passwords that give them access to money is.
Now go find a password vault app, and don't use the auto-fill or syncing to any server. You should be able to find one that will sync with your computer and iDevice or cell phone for under $15 total, probably under $10.
If I haven't made my reasoning clear, ask more questions.
Brent
On May 5, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Sanjaya Kanoria wrote:
> If you answer with just anything how on earth are you going to remember your answers? One may just as well use a very long and impossible to remember password. No solution at all my friend.
>
> On 05-May-2012, at 11:37 AM, Patti A Robertson <pattiandken@charter.net > wrote:
>
> > Yes, but that's exactly the problem - how will I ever remember the answer to a question I don't remember the answer to, if I pick a "bad" answer?
> >
> > The problem is with the questions.
> >
> > Patti
> >
> > On May 3, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Peter Sealy wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with Brent's sentiments.
> > >
> > > One point overlooked is that everyone on this list and most other boards talking about this issue have perhaps not looked outside the square. People everywhere are trying to rack their 50 year old (+ ?) memories for their first car, attractive teacher, etc. You don't have to be honest about this. Just write any word (s) for each answer which you can easily remember - yellow, bear, cabbage, ... anything. Apple neither knows nor cares what answer you record just as long as you can repeat it when required.
> > >
> > > Another point is that you can change your answers to these questions if you now are dissatisfied. See these posts:
> > > <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18247356 #18247356
> > > <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18198778 #18198778
> > > <https://discussions.apple.com/ >message/18192916 #18192916
> > >
> > > Finally, since completing those security questions I have purchased several albums, a few single songs and at least two apps from the iTunes Store. I have not been asked my security questions.
> > >
> > > ..................... ...
> > >
> > > Peter Sealy
> > > Thurgoona AUSTRALIA
> > >
> > > On 04/05/2012, at 10:32 AM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why do you feel that?
> > > >
> > > > This is exactly the same as what your bank and credit card companies have asked you. iTunes, your bank and your credit cards all deal with YOUR money, don't they? And you expect them to safe guard your money, don't you?
> > > >
> > > > With the whining on the tech blogs and the negative posts on the tech lists about hacked iTunes accounts, I think it is way over due, but not as elegantly done as Apple normally operates. Even if I feel a lot of the hacked accounts are because of bad user habits, i.e. weak passwords or using only one password for everything.
> > > >
> > > > Just my opinion,
> > > >
> > > > Brent
> > > >
> > > > On May 3, 2012, at 4:47 PM, lwr32 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've already filled out the questions. Yes, I do think Apple is getting paranoid about accounts getting hacked.
> > > > >
> > > > > 🐰 Alice
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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- 1.6.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Jim Smith" jas1931@gmail.com jimmacsmith
Sat May 5, 2012 1:36 pm (PDT)
A while back I got an HP netbook which has a finger print thing on it. Oh boy, I thought, I would not have to enter my password.
WRONG! Most of the time, when it works, it takes ten or more strikes(?) to log on.
What they need is for every computer to have an hardware ID. They have that, it's called a MAC, now if they could only figure a way to use it, like MS does for their install.
Jim Smith
On May 5, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Patti A Robertson wrote:
> Exactly. The thing is, I hardly knew the answer to a single question - I mean, sure, I know what the first car I drove was, but would I answer with that, or the first car I actually owned? Would I remember which choice I made later?
>
> Passwords are really getting to be a major pain. There must be a better way.
>
> Patti
- 1.7.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Sat May 5, 2012 2:16 pm (PDT)
Think that a little farther though, Jim. Now this does not apply to you, since you have your computer require a password to log in, but for others.
So I steal your netbook, and you don't have it set to require a password to log in, like way too many people do. So I boot up and now since the only requirement is the MAC, machine access code, now I have access to their every account.
That is also why I don't like auto-fill features. It needs some human intervention and thought.
Brent
On May 5, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Jim Smith wrote:
> A while back I got an HP netbook which has a finger print thing on it. Oh boy, I thought, I would not have to enter my password.
>
> WRONG! Most of the time, when it works, it takes ten or more strikes(?) to log on.
>
> What they need is for every computer to have an hardware ID. They have that, it's called a MAC, now if they could only figure a way to use it, like MS does for their install.
>
> Jim Smith
>
> On May 5, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Patti A Robertson wrote:
>
> > Exactly. The thing is, I hardly knew the answer to a single question - I mean, sure, I know what the first car I drove was, but would I answer with that, or the first car I actually owned? Would I remember which choice I made later?
> >
> > Passwords are really getting to be a major pain. There must be a better way.
> >
> > Patti
>
- 1.8.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sat May 5, 2012 3:42 pm (PDT)
> The thing is, I hardly knew the answer to a single question - I mean, sure, I know what the first car I drove was, but would I answer with that, or the first car I actually owned? Would I remember which choice I made later?
"What was the first car you owned?"
If that's the question you choose, it is pretty unambiguous.
If you choose that question, then give the answer to a DIFFERENT question, you have only yourself to blame if you're confused later.
You don't know, for example, where your first job was?
- 1.9.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Patti A Robertson" pattiandken@charter.net parpiano
Sat May 5, 2012 4:32 pm (PDT)
Ah, haha - well, which one? The part time one in a pet store, the one in a summer stock musical theater company, the first full time one at an S&L?
Same problem. Not what the answer is, but which answer to give, and then, which answer DID I give??
I HATE passwords. I hate it that we need so much security. I understand the need for it, I capitulate to it, but I hate it nonetheless.
I particularly hate it when I enter my password, I KNOW it's the correct password, and I know I entered it correctly, but I get the "incorrect password" response. That's a constant iTunes problem for me. And it's very frustrating that when one clicks "retrieve or reset password" in iTunes that the only option is reset. I can't figure out how to get it to send me "retrieve" my password.
Patti
On May 5, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> > The thing is, I hardly knew the answer to a single question - I mean, sure, I know what the first car I drove was, but would I answer with that, or the first car I actually owned? Would I remember which choice I made later?
>
> "What was the first car you owned?"
> If that's the question you choose, it is pretty unambiguous.
> If you choose that question, then give the answer to a DIFFERENT question, you have only yourself to blame if you're confused later.
>
> You don't know, for example, where your first job was?
>
>
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- 1.10.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Richard Bauer" rk911@yahoo.com rk911
Sat May 5, 2012 4:32 pm (PDT)
you're making this too hard, patti. what high school or college did you graduate from? what year? a combination of the school name and year or the school's nickame and year, mama's maiden name, dog's name. there are limitless things that are easy to remember but which don't point to you. or use a pasasword vault program/app.
rich
____________________
Exactly. The thing is, I hardly knew the answer to a single question - I mean, sure, I know what the first car I drove was, but would I answer with that, or the first car I actually owned? Would I remember which choice I made later?
Passwords are really getting to be a major pain. There must be a better way...
- 1.11.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Richard Bauer" rk911@yahoo.com rk911
Sat May 5, 2012 4:32 pm (PDT)
that's why several of us have recommended using a password vault app/pgm. several have been mentioned. or use something easy to remember but not relevant to the question. mother's maiden name, dog's name, etc. where there is a will there is a way.
rich
________________
If you answer with just anything how on earth are you going to remember your answers? One may just as well use a very long and impossible to remember password. No solution at all my friend.
- 1.12.
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Re: apple id confirmation
Posted by: "Jim Smith" jas1931@gmail.com jimmacsmith
Sat May 5, 2012 5:20 pm (PDT)
I have 1Password and use it. However I still use this system also, I have a small loose note book, Day Time maybe. I record all stuff like that. It use to be that Apple required you to change your password every few months, now that was PIA. And you could not use the same one again for several cycles. I hate password also, but what I hate more is the bullets they use to hide the password without the option to show them in the clear. I always provided that option in my applications.
Jim Smith
www.rvcarelogbook.com
On May 5, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Richard Bauer wrote:
> that's why several of us have recommended using a password vault app/pgm. several have been mentioned. or use something easy to remember but not relevant to the question. mother's maiden name, dog's name, etc. where there is a will there is a way.
>
> rich
> ________________
>
> If you answer with just anything how on earth are you going to remember your answers? One may just as well use a very long and impossible to remember password. No solution at all my friend.
>
>
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AT&T CEO bemoans iPhone unlimited data, iMessage
Posted by: "Brent" flapdoodle@gmail.com flapdoodle44
Sat May 5, 2012 6:02 am (PDT)
http://www.appleinsider.com/ articles/ 12/05/04/ att_ceo_bemoans_ iphone_unlimited _data_imessage. html
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- 3a.
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Lost PDF
Posted by: "Robert Poland" rpoland@usa.net rpoland
Sat May 5, 2012 7:43 am (PDT)
Hi,
I have a book (Robert Paisley - GALACTIC PINBALL.pdf) in PDF format that I dragged and dropped onto the Library in iTune. It appeared to copy as files usually do.
However I cannot find it either in iTunes or on my iPad under iPads.
Doing the Drag and Drop again bdoesn't seem to do anything.
The iTunes Library shows being selected, by the color change, when the Drag and Drop hovers over it.
TIA,
Robert Poland
2.7 GHz Intel Core I5, 27� iMac
12 GB Ram, 1TB HD, OS 10.7.3iPad 2, 32 GB, iOS 5.1
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- 3b.
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Re: Lost PDF
Posted by: "Robert Poland" rpoland@usa.net rpoland
Sat May 5, 2012 8:56 am (PDT)
Found it.
A generic cover and a name change helped to hide it.
On May 5, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Robert Poland wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a book (Robert Paisley - GALACTIC PINBALL.pdf) in PDF format that I dragged and dropped onto the Library in iTune. It appeared to copy as files usually do.
>
> However I cannot find it either in iTunes or on my iPad under iPads.
>
> Doing the Drag and Drop again bdoesn't seem to do anything.
>
> The iTunes Library shows being selected, by the color change, when the Drag and Drop hovers over it.
>
> TIA,
>
> Robert Poland
> 2.7 GHz Intel Core I5, 27� iMac
> 12 GB Ram, 1TB HD, OS 10.7.3iPad 2, 32 GB, iOS 5.1
>
Robert Poland - Fort Collins, CO
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- 4a.
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Re: iPhone Apps Grayed out on iTunes
Posted by: "SmokieTopaz" smokietopaz@gmail.com tigertopaz
Sat May 5, 2012 7:17 pm (PDT)
Yes, my iPhone is connected to the computer. I am trying to organize them
in iTunes, as I always did. But my apps screens are grayed out and clicking
on apps or trying to drag them does nothing. I can do all of those things
though with my iPad connected to the same computer. Very strange!
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