Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Laptops and cellular networks From: Bill B.
- 1b.
- Re: Laptops and cellular networks From: Jim Saklad
- 2a.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Randy B. Singer
- 2b.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Jim Saklad
- 2c.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Jeff
- 2d.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Jeff
- 2e.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Jim Saklad
- 2f.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Tod Hopkins
- 2g.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Tod Hopkins
- 2h.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Daly Jessup
- 2i.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Tod Hopkins
- 2j.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: John Engberg
- 2k.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Daly Jessup
- 2l.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Doyle Yoder
- 2m.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Keith Whaley
- 2n.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Tod Hopkins
- 2o.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: Keith Whaley
- 2p.
- Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts... From: exdetroiter
- 3a.
- Re: Mail in iOS From: Daly Jessup
- 3b.
- Re: Mail in iOS From: Jim Saklad
- 4a.
- the Mac Pro is EOL? From: N.A. Nada
- 4b.
- Re: the Mac Pro is EOL? From: Steve B.
- 4c.
- Re: the Mac Pro is EOL? From: Jim Saklad
- 4d.
- Re: the Mac Pro is EOL? From: Tod Hopkins
- 4e.
- Re: the Mac Pro is EOL? From: Randy B. Singer
Messages
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Re: Laptops and cellular networks
Posted by: "Bill B." bill501@mindspring.com kernos501
Sat May 5, 2012 6:40 am (PDT)
At 2:07 AM +0100 5/5/12, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>If you had an iPad with cellular access, would you need anything else away
>from home?
That is what got me thinking about this. My iPad 3 will get ATT 4G at about 2-4 bars depending on variables like the weather. This results in an amazon book page loading in a few seconds instead of many minutes, if at all, on dialup.
My problem with using the iPad is the lack of good software and the small screen size. in almost every case an iPad app is limited compared to the OS X app. Or, it takes me longer to do something on the iPad than on my laptop. Email and browsers dont compare, IMO. More important many of the apps I use daily and together don't have counterparts for the iPad: 4th dimension, MS Word (I need features not found in other word processors), Final Cut Pro, Dreamweaver, Photoshop... And transferring data between my laptop and iPad is cumbersome at best. I could do a bunch of work in Dreamweaver, manually find all of the changed pages, figure out how to get them on my iPad into some FTP program and upload them. But, Id rather just choose synch in Dreamweaver.
The iPad is fine for my casual use. But it cannot replace my laptop for getting real work done, work that creates income.
Bill
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Re: Laptops and cellular networks
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sat May 5, 2012 8:47 am (PDT)
> My problem with using the iPad is the lack of good software and the small screen size. in almost every case an iPad app is limited compared to the OS X app.
There are things I can do in Numbers on the Mac, or do much more easily, than on the iPad, but there are also some things I haven't figured any way to do in Numbers on the Mac that I *CAN* do on the iPad.
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Sat May 5, 2012 7:23 am (PDT)
On May 5, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Jeff wrote:
> I may just keep my MB Pro for the video and motion graphics and
> use the PC exclusively for 3d.
Just another data point. My son is studying for a career in computer
animation and also has an interest in game design. He does a lot of
3D modeling in Blender. He also uses Corel Painter and I'm not sure
what else offhand. He uses an older Mac Pro at school, but at home
for his projects he uses a recent high-end iMac. He says that his
iMac is more or less as fast as the Mac Pro's at school.
He hasn't seemed to be limited in any way. He regularly turns out
the most amazing CGI animations that you can't tell aren't filmed
footage but for the fact that they are usually things that obviously
don't exist in the real world. (He did a great short video of a
giant tarantula attacking students at his school. And another one of
a '50's malt shop that can rotate to any angle and things in the malt
shop work, such as the gumball machine. Neat stuff.)
_____________________ _________ _________ ____
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sat May 5, 2012 9:20 am (PDT)
> I actually saw that refurb Mac in the Mac Store. Thinking about it, but again, I'd still need to replace the video card (nVidia, yes, but 512MB doesn't cut it) and I'd need to upgrade the RAM to 8GB min. After those 2 things, the cost is up to almost $3000. Still less than both workstation solutions I'd been looking at, so worth considering.
The current minimum Mac Pro in the Apple Store has a 2.8 GHz quad-core "Nehalem" CPU with ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5, for $2500, with 3 GB of RAM.
<http://store.apple.com/ >us/browse/ home/shop_ mac/family/ mac_pro
You can add 8 GB of RAM for as little at $70
<http://eshop.macsales. >com/shop/ memory/Mac- Pro-Memory# 1333-memory
You also have Graphics options:
• ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
• Two ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB [Add $250.00]
• ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB [Add $200.00]
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Jeff" jbturof@yahoo.com jbturof
Sat May 5, 2012 9:45 am (PDT)
Blender is a great 3d package for detailing models. I have many friends that produce awesome things in Blender.
Most of the 3d software works fine on iMacs...unless you want to use plugins like physX---an nVidia plugin that only works with an nVidia card. The iMacs only have Radeon cards currently and they aren't replaceable. They 'work' great...seriously...but they aren't completely compatible with Maya or Mudbox or other Autodesk packages.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , "Randy B. Singer" <randy@...> wrote:com
>
>
> On May 5, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Jeff wrote:
>
> > I may just keep my MB Pro for the video and motion graphics and
> > use the PC exclusively for 3d.
>
> Just another data point. My son is studying for a career in computer
> animation and also has an interest in game design. He does a lot of
> 3D modeling in Blender. He also uses Corel Painter and I'm not sure
> what else offhand. He uses an older Mac Pro at school, but at home
> for his projects he uses a recent high-end iMac. He says that his
> iMac is more or less as fast as the Mac Pro's at school.
>
> He hasn't seemed to be limited in any way. He regularly turns out
> the most amazing CGI animations that you can't tell aren't filmed
> footage but for the fact that they are usually things that obviously
> don't exist in the real world. (He did a great short video of a
> giant tarantula attacking students at his school. And another one of
> a '50's malt shop that can rotate to any angle and things in the malt
> shop work, such as the gumball machine. Neat stuff.)
>
> _____________________ _________ _________ ____
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts. html
> _____________________ _________ _________ ____
>
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Jeff" jbturof@yahoo.com jbturof
Sat May 5, 2012 9:50 am (PDT)
Thanks...yeah...but again, it's the Radeon cards that I don't want to deal with. It's not compatible with the plugins I want to use.
The 1GB GDDR5 memory is perfect...it's just the Radeon card that isn't. They cause redraw issues, lighting artifacts and errors, and texture inconsistencies that I can't afford to have.
Thank you very much. All of the suggestions and help has been great!
Jeff
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups. , Jim Saklad <jimdoc@...> wrote:com
>
> > I actually saw that refurb Mac in the Mac Store. Thinking about it, but again, I'd still need to replace the video card (nVidia, yes, but 512MB doesn't cut it) and I'd need to upgrade the RAM to 8GB min. After those 2 things, the cost is up to almost $3000. Still less than both workstation solutions I'd been looking at, so worth considering.
>
> The current minimum Mac Pro in the Apple Store has a 2.8 GHz quad-core "Nehalem" CPU with ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5, for $2500, with 3 GB of RAM.
> <http://store.apple.com/ >us/browse/ home/shop_ mac/family/ mac_pro
>
> You can add 8 GB of RAM for as little at $70
> <http://eshop.macsales. >com/shop/ memory/Mac- Pro-Memory# 1333-memory
>
> You also have Graphics options:
> • ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
> • Two ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB [Add $250.00]
> • ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB [Add $200.00]
>
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sat May 5, 2012 10:18 am (PDT)
> Thanks...yeah...but again, it's the Radeon cards that I don't want to deal with. It's not compatible with the plugins I want to use.
>
> The 1GB GDDR5 memory is perfect...it's just the Radeon card that isn't. They cause redraw issues, lighting artifacts and errors, and texture inconsistencies that I can't afford to have.
OWC sells a NVIDIA Quadro 4000 for the Mac Pro:
<http://eshop.macsales. >com/item/ PNY/VCQ4000MACPB /
Memory Size 2.0GB GDDR5
Memory Interface 256-bit
Memory Bandwidth 89.6GB/sec
Max Power Consumption 142W
Number of Slots 2
Display Connectors DVI-I + Stereo
Dual-Link DVI 1
Unfortunately, it's $880.
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Sat May 5, 2012 11:20 am (PDT)
Have you compared the Windows and Mac versions of iTunes? Not the same experience. Same with Quicktime.
Cheers,
tod
On May 4, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> I'm not sure if iPhone/iTunes belongs in your list. Windows users get the
> same deal and, in the case of "legacy" OS support and access to the iPhone
> file system, a better deal.
>
> Otto
>
> On 4 May 2012 22:34, Tod Hopkins <hoplist@hillmanncarr.com > wrote:
>
> > So, I figure your time is worth... oh, at least $25/hr? Will the Mac save
> > you 30 hours of wasted time over the next year?
> >
> > Will the Mac make you happier? (Sorry, that should have gone first!)
> >
> > Have you used Win7 to do actual work?
> >
> > Do you like Lion? Not that you can't still install Snow Leopard.
> >
> > Do you carry an iPhone or live in iTunes?
> >
> > Do you want to use FCP X? Do you use Final Cut Studio now?
> >
> > Is there a "Bootcamp" for PCs?
> >
> > Are the tools you prefer written first for Mac or PC?
> >
> > Do you want or need USB 3.0?
> >
> > And yes, you should seriously compare the refurb pricing, especially if
> > Thunderbolt holds no real value for you.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr. com
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Sat May 5, 2012 11:24 am (PDT)
On May 4, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
> What is your point? Maybe I lost track of this thread. I probably did. I definitely prefer Macs, but I work 8-10 hours a day on a PC and have no problems. It's not as sweet as it is on a Mac, but I am definitely productive.
That IS my point. I was not arguing for or against. I was raising questions I think you should ask yourself. You answered them all. Your decision is yours.
For instance, only you can decide which is more important "sweet" or "productive", "cheap" or "less cheap."
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr. com
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Sat May 5, 2012 12:43 pm (PDT)
On May 5, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>
>
> That IS my point. I was not arguing for or against. I was raising questions I think you should ask yourself. You answered them all. Your decision is yours.
>
> For instance, only you can decide which is more important "sweet" or "productive", "cheap" or "less cheap."
On my Mac, I have "sweet" and "productive." At work I have "productive. " At work I have "free" (because the company provides the computer), and at home I have whatever it costs, because I will only buy a Mac. I would never choose a PC to save a few hundred dollars.
Because for another thing, "beautiful" means something to me, as well.
Daly
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Sat May 5, 2012 1:37 pm (PDT)
There is no "answer" unless you narrow the argument dramatically. You only care about playing SWTOR or COD, buying a Mac is a waste of money. If you're a Final Cut editor (like me), no option (unless you want to switch to Avid or Premiere). You mostly do email, web, and office apps (most personal users), it doesn't matter a damn which you use. Pick the one you like.
For a "multi-media designer" (which I am) there is no answer. I could not do my job well without both OS's. Macs are the better "multi-media" machines, but the world still runs on Windows. Personally, I use Macs when I can and PCs when I need them, but that is my personal choice. When I have an employee who is most familiar with Windows, they get a PC. Mac, they get a Mac. I build my systems to be as cross-platform as possible.
If you ask my opinion about hardware, the best personal computers built today are the Mac Pros. With all due deference to HP, it's not even a close call. Yes, the Mac Pro is EOL. Duh. All PCs are EOL. The difference is this doesn't matter to Apple, but it's a life or death problem for every other PC company, especially Dell.
Software? From a purely objective point of view, Win7 and OSX are dead equal right now. My #1 OS is Snow Leopard, but that is as much a question of my nature and priorities than a comment on the OS's themselves.
And this will all change in a few years.
Cheers,
tod
On May 5, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
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> On May 5, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > That IS my point. I was not arguing for or against. I was raising questions I think you should ask yourself. You answered them all. Your decision is yours.
> >
> > For instance, only you can decide which is more important "sweet" or "productive", "cheap" or "less cheap."
>
> On my Mac, I have "sweet" and "productive." At work I have "productive. " At work I have "free" (because the company provides the computer), and at home I have whatever it costs, because I will only buy a Mac. I would never choose a PC to save a few hundred dollars.
>
> Because for another thing, "beautiful" means something to me, as well.
>
> Daly
>
>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr. com
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "John Engberg" mrbyte@earthlink.net mrbyte
Sat May 5, 2012 3:44 pm (PDT)
On May 5, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> If you ask my opinion about hardware, the best personal computers built today are the Mac Pros. With all due deference to HP, it's not even a close call. Yes, the Mac Pro is EOL. Duh. All PCs are EOL. The difference is this doesn't matter to Apple, but it's a life or death problem for every other PC company, especially Del
Would you be so kind as to expand the abbreviation EOL. Thank you
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Sat May 5, 2012 4:03 pm (PDT)
On May 5, 2012, at 3:44 PM, John Engberg wrote:
>
> On May 5, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
>
>> If you ask my opinion about hardware, the best personal computers built today are the Mac Pros. With all due deference to HP, it's not even a close call. Yes, the Mac Pro is EOL. Duh. All PCs are EOL. The difference is this doesn't matter to Apple, but it's a life or death problem for every other PC company, especially Del
>
> Would you be so kind as to expand the abbreviation EOL. Thank you
End Of Life
Daly
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Doyle Yoder" doyle@dypinc.com dypinc
Sat May 5, 2012 4:13 pm (PDT)
On May 5, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
> I would never choose a PC to save a few hundred dollars.
In a graphic intensive business environment that is impossible to do.
Doyle
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com keith9600
Sat May 5, 2012 4:17 pm (PDT)
Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> On May 5, 2012, at 3:44 PM, John Engberg wrote:
>
> >
> > On May 5, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> >
> >> If you ask my opinion about hardware, the best personal computers
> built today are the Mac Pros. With all due deference to HP, it's not
> even a close call. Yes, the Mac Pro is EOL. Duh. All PCs are EOL. The
> difference is this doesn't matter to Apple, but it's a life or death
> problem for every other PC company, especially Del
I assume you meant "Dell."?
> > Would you be so kind as to expand the abbreviation EOL. Thank you
> End Of Life
>
> Daly
Hi John and Daly, that definition is accurate, but much too brief, too
abrupt an explanation.
EOL means the manufacturer has decided that that particular model has
seen it's day. The future is over for that model.
The maker has milked the market as long as it's going to. It's done it's
job. Sales have fallen off and there's nothing (the manufacturer) can to
to bring life into it again. In their humble opinion, it's not capable
of being resurrected. Thus, EOL.
Hope that helps.
keith whaley
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Sat May 5, 2012 4:55 pm (PDT)
On May 5, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
> > problem for every other PC company, especially Del
>
> I assume you meant "Dell."?
Abbreviation?
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr. com
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com keith9600
Sat May 5, 2012 6:21 pm (PDT)
Tod Hopkins wrote:
> On May 5, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
>
> > > problem for every other PC company, especially Del
> > I assume you meant "Dell."?
> Abbreviation?
>
> Cheers,
> tod
hah, hah, hah.... Okay by me!
keith
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Re: Mac or PC? Need thoughts...
Posted by: "exdetroiter" oldtechie@wi.rr.com exdetroiter
Sat May 5, 2012 7:25 pm (PDT)
The business of guys [and sometime gals] discussing or even fighting over which is BETTER is as old as... well let's see, horses, cars, etc. My dad was a ford man, although he really wanted a buick like he had in the thirties. I recall a picture of him standing in fron of his, at least I think it was his. I may have owned an old Ford but I ended up becomming a Chevy guy. I'm driving a Cruze now [Yes, that's Chevy, a compact].
So when people talk about which computer is better, it's noting new. Of course it is usually Mac vs. the whole PC crowed. And that becaome the Mac computer AND it's OS vs mostly Windows. I don't think I ever hear anyone brag on any PC brand with the same zeal as Mac owners. OH, forgot Linux, but haven't hear much from Linx users, especially since Ubuntu came out.
I have used both Mac and PCs, but only two Macs, My present Mc Pro which is now several years and underpowered ocmpared with my PC's, although I can't notice much difference. It's actually pretty difficult [for me to tall the difference, especially since XP came along, and hen Win7.
Neither computer is much faster on the internet since that depends more one the net itself and ones ISP.
Jim
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Re: Mail in iOS
Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com dalyjessup
Sat May 5, 2012 12:41 pm (PDT)
On May 5, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Harold Flaxman wrote:
> Is there a way to mark all mail as read in iOS Mail as in OS X?
I don't know if this is like OS X Mail, but go to the mailbox in question, use Command-A to select all messages, then either: 1) go to the Messages menu and choose Mark-->As Read or
2) use the keyboard shortcut, Command-Shift-U.
Daly
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Re: Mail in iOS
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sat May 5, 2012 4:24 pm (PDT)
>> Is there a way to mark all mail as read in iOS Mail as in OS X?
>
> I don't know if this is like OS X Mail, but go to the mailbox in question, use Command-A to select all messages, then either: 1) go to the Messages menu and choose Mark-->As Read or
> 2) use the keyboard shortcut, Command-Shift-U.
The answer to the question asked, to the best of my knowledge, is "no".
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the Mac Pro is EOL?
Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net
Sat May 5, 2012 1:53 pm (PDT)
The quote below is from another thread, that I did not want to sidetrack.
I have heard this before on several threads, and other than one rumor on AppleInsider, I can not find any other reference to it. Are there other rumors or indications of this.
I don't need one right now, but I do like the form factor and the ability to easily add other hardware accessories.
I'd be interested in other substantiated reports of this.
Brent
On May 5, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> If you ask my opinion about hardware, the best personal computers built today are the Mac Pros. With all due deference to HP, it's not even a close call. Yes, the Mac Pro is EOL. Duh. All PCs are EOL. The difference is this doesn't matter to Apple, but it's a life or death problem for every other PC company, especially Dell.
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Re: the Mac Pro is EOL?
Posted by: "Steve B." macosx@xebrawerx.com xebrawerx
Sat May 5, 2012 2:22 pm (PDT)
The Mac Pro hasn't been updated in 22 months. This kind of long refresh cycle has plagued Apple ever since the distractions of the consumer electronics products.
I hope the Mac Pro is end of life so Apple has the slightest excuse. At the same time, I hope a G4-style mini tower takes its place and begins under $2K.
Here's to hoping.
Steve B.
On May 5, 2012, at 3:53 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
The quote below is from another thread, that I did not want to sidetrack.
I have heard this before on several threads, and other than one rumor on AppleInsider, I can not find any other reference to it. Are there other rumors or indications of this.
I don't need one right now, but I do like the form factor and the ability to easily add other hardware accessories.
I'd be interested in other substantiated reports of this.
Brent
On May 5, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
> If you ask my opinion about hardware, the best personal computers built today are the Mac Pros. With all due deference to HP, it's not even a close call. Yes, the Mac Pro is EOL. Duh. All PCs are EOL. The difference is this doesn't matter to Apple, but it's a life or death problem for every other PC company, especially Dell.
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Re: the Mac Pro is EOL?
Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com jimdoc01
Sat May 5, 2012 4:28 pm (PDT)
> The Mac Pro hasn't been updated in 22 months. This kind of long refresh cycle has plagued Apple ever since the distractions of the consumer electronics products.
It has been 648 days since the last Mac Pro update.
The longest previous interval was 511 days.
The ones prior to that were 420, 279, 240, and 292 days.
Not, mostly, a "plague" of long refresh intervals.
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Re: the Mac Pro is EOL?
Posted by: "Tod Hopkins" hoplist@hillmanncarr.com todhop
Sat May 5, 2012 5:15 pm (PDT)
Not officially by any means. I meant "EOL" in the loose, non-official sense, meaning there is no future in towers. Some have predicted that Apple will cease producing the Mac Pro as early as this year. I don't think so. I think they will last until OS10.8. Apple will build distributed processing directly into OS 10.8. Mac Minis or their successors, connected in parallel, will replace towers.
Or something like that.
There is nowhere for the Mac Pro to go. These are the pinnacle of "personal" computing. But people like me need the current Mac Pros and will continue to buy them. The only improvement left for the Mac Pro is to make it smaller.
Cheers,
tod
On May 5, 2012, at 4:53 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> The quote below is from another thread, that I did not want to sidetrack.
>
> I have heard this before on several threads, and other than one rumor on AppleInsider, I can not find any other reference to it. Are there other rumors or indications of this.
>
> I don't need one right now, but I do like the form factor and the ability to easily add other hardware accessories.
>
> I'd be interested in other substantiated reports of this.
>
> Brent
>
> On May 5, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:
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> > If you ask my opinion about hardware, the best personal computers built today are the Mac Pros. With all due deference to HP, it's not even a close call. Yes, the Mac Pro is EOL. Duh. All PCs are EOL. The difference is this doesn't matter to Apple, but it's a life or death problem for every other PC company, especially Dell.
>
>
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr. com
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Re: the Mac Pro is EOL?
Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com randybrucesinger
Sat May 5, 2012 9:42 pm (PDT)
On May 5, 2012, at 1:53 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Are there other rumors or indications of this.
This is what the Mac Buyer's Guide says about the Mac Pro:
http://buyersguide.macrumors. com/#Mac_ Pro
See:
<http://www.macrumors.com/2012/ 03/01/mac- pro-update- now-possible- with-
new-xeon-e5-chips-next- week/>
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Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
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