5/10/2012

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1a.

Re: AT&T CEO bemoans iPhone unlimited data, iMessage

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Wed May 9, 2012 3:01 am (PDT)



Jay, is correct, cell providers have a heck of a nut to crack to cover their overhead.

Text messaging is nearly expense free to the carrier, since it "rides" on the signal used to connect the cell phone to the cell tower. That is why there is a is a 140 character limit for simple text messages.

There is a heck of a big overhead to running a cellular network. And as Jay said, when AT&T first offered the iPhone, their network became overloaded, and the had to build it out some more and add a heck of a lot of cells in the metro areas like New York to handle the demand.

Brent

On May 8, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Jay Abraham wrote:

> Alice,
>
> I don't know where you heard that but it isn't true. You maybe thinking that since they got it from the government but they bought it at auction unlike the Television stations which were awarded the bandwidth for free.
>
> Also there is significant cost in the equipment to enable the usage of the bandwidth.
>
> You may be thinking of the variable cost of using an incremental portion of data. That is probably pretty low because there is a huge fixed cost of putting the bandwidth in place. However this doesn't cover the whole picture because if additional bandwidth isn't added as data usage increases then the service degrades and becomes slower for all users. This is what happened to AT&T when they introduced the iPhone and everyone complained about their service.
>
> Jay
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 8, 2012, at 8:41 PM, whiterabbit32 <whiterabbit32@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bandwidth is pretty inexpensive to free for cell companies. They want to make bucks off us and we're willing to pay it.
> >
> > Alice
> > Sent from my iPhone 4
> >
> > On May 7, 2012, at 10:24 AM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I was with Verizon for 6 years, and moved to AT&T 8 years ago. On how they handle their customers, one candy coats it and the other gives it to you dry. Verizon gave me free minutes when there was an issue, AT&T doesn't, but they give you rollover. Don't use your minutes with V, A has rollover minutes. One gouges you on text messages, the other follows suit.
> > >
> > > Free minutes or rollover minutes, how many of us ever used them?
> > >
> > > I have the unlimited Data with AT&T. For the last 3 years, I have recorded data usage. My usage has been between 30 and 300MB with one notable exception of 790MB accumulated during a 2 day drive from Denver to Portland, OR. Even with that I generally average below 90MB per month. I don't go over 100 text messages in a month and probably average about 30 a month in the same 3 years.
> > >
> > > Why do I stick with it? Because I am betting that something will come along that will cause me to dramatically increase my data usage. When I traveled for work, I watched more movies, when there was cell coverage I used more GPS service, that needed data to put the maps behind the pins or little car. Want me to switch away from the unlimited data plan, offer me a cheaper tiered plan that has rollover data.
> > >
> > > I would like to tell Mr. Stephenson to put his money where his belly-aching mouth is. Right now he has a cash cow, with his near monopoly. Show us verifiable data about all this data usage, show the individuals that are getting throttled or a watchdog group, these high usage numbers. Why are people below 2GB of data being throttled for the remainder of their billing period, when the excuse is that they are in a high usage area at a high usage time. Why doesn't it un-throttle when they change areas or usage decreases? Also have him explain how 2GB is unlimited? Whose fault is it if his lawyers had not written a better contract, one that allows them to cancel the contract for abusive use or the incorrect type of use, but they had better be ready to defend that in court because they have been granted a franchise of public property, the right to use those airwaves.
> > >
> > > If he wants us to give up our grandfathered unlimited data plans, offer us a generous rollover data plan. Most of us would never take advantage of it. In 3 years, I have dug into my rollover minutes for maybe 100 minutes. I'm on a 450 minute plan and average less than 200 used a month. I pay for and lost more minutes, than I have use every year that I have had a cell phone.
> > >
> > > And this crap about text messages, paying for them at these rates is obscene. That you have a choice of what 10 or 20 cents a text or a $20 unlimited plan. There is that mysterious word, unlimited, what does that mean? Either way the customer is getting gouged, with few exceptions. Bring back the tiered text plans.
> > >
> > > Stepping off the soap box.
> > >
> > > the other Brent
> > >
> > > On May 7, 2012, at 12:53 AM, MD wrote:
> > >
> > > > i guess if the iPhone is such a financial drain on him he could dump it. Then he'd probably see what a real financial drain looks like when a large segment of his user base bails. What he fails to appreciate is how many iPhones (with the required $30 or whatever data plan) he's sold to people who likely would've never bought a smartphone, many of them likely buying more than one (four so far in my household). How much was he making in 2006 when a basic flip phone or candy bar phone was the common device? He's got the large customer base in spite of the company's service. The products are the reason he has many of them. Lose the bellcow and see how many customers are left. Quit whining about how much more you should be gouging from the customers and give them reasons to want to do business with you. They don't owe you that business.
> > > >
> > > > I say that as a sometimes frustrated Cingular/AT&T customer of about 12 years.
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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1b.

Re: AT&T CEO bemoans iPhone unlimited data, iMessage

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Wed May 9, 2012 4:52 am (PDT)



On 9 May 2012 00:02, itasara <itasara@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

>
> This was my point kind of the last time I wrote in about data plans. I
> keep my $30 plan for now only because I don't
> like to constantly manage my phone or anything else these days, which is
> getting to be a chore. I bought my iphone to enjoy and now I need to worry
> about using an app and if I am in a wifi area? I just want to enjoy the
> features that came with the phone and most I don't bother with, but
> occasionally I do. My husband hardly uses his iphone. We have shut off all
> his location features because he has the bottom of the line data package.
> Once in a while he'll send a picture or go on internet to look up some
> info. He is not always in a wifi zone when he uses his phone or when at
> work or out of town. All of a sudden he is getting alert notices that he
> is coming close to his data max.He never got these before a few months
> ago. He hasn't gone over his limit far as I can see; I think it is a
> scare tactic by AT&T to get us to pay more. Some times we both get 3 to 6
> alert a day, which I did call the company about. Three of our offspring are
> on our policy. They usually do not go over their limit but I constantly
> remind them not to use you tube or other data gobbling apps. And no one
> seems to remember how to check their data on a regular basis---too many
> other daily concerns to take care of or remember.
>
> The phone policies are just wearing us out.
>

Yes, you can check your usage in Settings, but there's an app, DataMan,
that makes it easier to monitor usage. The free version is probably all you
need.

Otto

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1c.

Re: AT&T CEO bemoans iPhone unlimited data, iMessage

Posted by: "lwr32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Wed May 9, 2012 2:03 pm (PDT)



Yes, Jay is correct as far as the elements of providing bandwidth go. But the point is, once its in, the incremental use doesn't cost very much. The phone companies screw us ( that being said, I use to work for one).

Yes, it cost quite a bit to build out for AT&T but even so, they made a huge profit. Does that not mean they could lower our cell phone costs? They know they'll make the money back. That's a given.

🐰 Alice

On May 8, 2012, at 9:13 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> Jay, is correct, cell providers have a heck of a nut to crack to cover their overhead.
>
> Text messaging is nearly expense free to the carrier, since it "rides" on the signal used to connect the cell phone to the cell tower. That is why there is a is a 140 character limit for simple text messages.
>
> There is a heck of a big overhead to running a cellular network. And as Jay said, when AT&T first offered the iPhone, their network became overloaded, and the had to build it out some more and add a heck of a lot of cells in the metro areas like New York to handle the demand.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On May 8, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Jay Abraham wrote:
>
>> Alice,
>>
>> I don't know where you heard that but it isn't true. You maybe thinking that since they got it from the government but they bought it at auction unlike the Television stations which were awarded the bandwidth for free.
>>
>> Also there is significant cost in the equipment to enable the usage of the bandwidth.
>>
>> You may be thinking of the variable cost of using an incremental portion of data. That is probably pretty low because there is a huge fixed cost of putting the bandwidth in place. However this doesn't cover the whole picture because if additional bandwidth isn't added as data usage increases then the service degrades and becomes slower for all users. This is what happened to AT&T when they introduced the iPhone and everyone complained about their service.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 8, 2012, at 8:41 PM, whiterabbit32 <whiterabbit32@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bandwidth is pretty inexpensive to free for cell companies. They want to make bucks off us and we're willing to pay it.
>>>
>>> Alice
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2012, at 10:24 AM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was with Verizon for 6 years, and moved to AT&T 8 years ago. On how they handle their customers, one candy coats it and the other gives it to you dry. Verizon gave me free minutes when there was an issue, AT&T doesn't, but they give you rollover. Don't use your minutes with V, A has rollover minutes. One gouges you on text messages, the other follows suit.
>>>>
>>>> Free minutes or rollover minutes, how many of us ever used them?
>>>>
>>>> I have the unlimited Data with AT&T. For the last 3 years, I have recorded data usage. My usage has been between 30 and 300MB with one notable exception of 790MB accumulated during a 2 day drive from Denver to Portland, OR. Even with that I generally average below 90MB per month. I don't go over 100 text messages in a month and probably average about 30 a month in the same 3 years.
>>>>
>>>> Why do I stick with it? Because I am betting that something will come along that will cause me to dramatically increase my data usage. When I traveled for work, I watched more movies, when there was cell coverage I used more GPS service, that needed data to put the maps behind the pins or little car. Want me to switch away from the unlimited data plan, offer me a cheaper tiered plan that has rollover data.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to tell Mr. Stephenson to put his money where his belly-aching mouth is. Right now he has a cash cow, with his near monopoly. Show us verifiable data about all this data usage, show the individuals that are getting throttled or a watchdog group, these high usage numbers. Why are people below 2GB of data being throttled for the remainder of their billing period, when the excuse is that they are in a high usage area at a high usage time. Why doesn't it un-throttle when they change areas or usage decreases? Also have him explain how 2GB is unlimited? Whose fault is it if his lawyers had not written a better contract, one that allows them to cancel the contract for abusive use or the incorrect type of use, but they had better be ready to defend that in court because they have been granted a franchise of public property, the right to use those airwaves.
>>>>
>>>> If he wants us to give up our grandfathered unlimited data plans, offer us a generous rollover data plan. Most of us would never take advantage of it. In 3 years, I have dug into my rollover minutes for maybe 100 minutes. I'm on a 450 minute plan and average less than 200 used a month. I pay for and lost more minutes, than I have use every year that I have had a cell phone.
>>>>
>>>> And this crap about text messages, paying for them at these rates is obscene. That you have a choice of what 10 or 20 cents a text or a $20 unlimited plan. There is that mysterious word, unlimited, what does that mean? Either way the customer is getting gouged, with few exceptions. Bring back the tiered text plans.
>>>>
>>>> Stepping off the soap box.
>>>>
>>>> the other Brent
>>>>
>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 12:53 AM, MD wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i guess if the iPhone is such a financial drain on him he could dump it. Then he'd probably see what a real financial drain looks like when a large segment of his user base bails. What he fails to appreciate is how many iPhones (with the required $30 or whatever data plan) he's sold to people who likely would've never bought a smartphone, many of them likely buying more than one (four so far in my household). How much was he making in 2006 when a basic flip phone or candy bar phone was the common device? He's got the large customer base in spite of the company's service. The products are the reason he has many of them. Lose the bellcow and see how many customers are left. Quit whining about how much more you should be gouging from the customers and give them reasons to want to do business with you. They don't owe you that business.
>>>>>
>>>>> I say that as a sometimes frustrated Cingular/AT&T customer of about 12 years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
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2a.

Way to have books read out loud on an iPhone?

Posted by: "Brandi C" brandiable@gmail.com   BKCorya

Wed May 9, 2012 6:24 am (PDT)



Hi

I am new to downloading books using Overdrive. So new in fact I have yet to download my first book!

I have about a 3 hour commute to work each day and would like to use some of this time in order to keep current on reading. But, the selection of audio books is much smaller than the collection of digital format books. Is there a way I can download digital books through Overdrive from the library and then have them read out loud?

From what I have read online, iBooks can read the text out loud, but, not sure how I could get the download from Overdrive over to iBooks?

Thank you for any options

Brandi

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Re: Way to have books read out loud on an iPhone?

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Wed May 9, 2012 11:38 am (PDT)



Where did you see anything about iBooks reading text? I can not find it. If you are speaking of Accessibility and VoiceOver, I don't think you will like it. I just tried it. And you will probably not like the voice or the hoops you have to jump through to make it work.

I also believe that iBooks only accepts ePub and PDF format, formats that I don't think Overdrive offer.

There are other sources for free audio books, but they are mostly public domain books, in other words, books that are older and no longer have current copyrights.

I suggest that you look again at what your library offers or call them up and ask if they have an arrangement with another library system that you can access.

I know what you mean by the small selection. My county library carries way more WMA books than MP3, but luckily I have an extra iPod and BootCamp set up on my Mac, so I just check out the WMA for Windows books. Although one of my favorite authors has not give permission to transfer them to any Apple iDevice.

On May 9, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Brandi C wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am new to downloading books using Overdrive. So new in fact I have yet to download my first book!
>
> I have about a 3 hour commute to work each day and would like to use some of this time in order to keep current on reading. But, the selection of audio books is much smaller than the collection of digital format books. Is there a way I can download digital books through Overdrive from the library and then have them read out loud?
>
> From what I have read online, iBooks can read the text out loud, but, not sure how I could get the download from Overdrive over to iBooks?
>
> Thank you for any options
>
> Brandi
>

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2c.

Re: Way to have books read out loud on an iPhone?

Posted by: "lwr32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Wed May 9, 2012 3:08 pm (PDT)



I don't know anything about how ebook lending works. Is it illegal to borrow an eBook from a library and convert it to what works for the person borrowing the book? If the converted book along with the originally borrowed book We're given back to the library, it doesn't seem illegal. The converted book could then destroy the converted ebook if it's illegal to lend it out, keeping the original to lend out again. Could that be considered part of the Fair Use law?

🐰 Alice

On May 9, 2012, at 11:35 AM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> Where did you see anything about iBooks reading text? I can not find it. If you are speaking of Accessibility and VoiceOver, I don't think you will like it. I just tried it. And you will probably not like the voice or the hoops you have to jump through to make it work.
>
> I also believe that iBooks only accepts ePub and PDF format, formats that I don't think Overdrive offer.
>
> There are other sources for free audio books, but they are mostly public domain books, in other words, books that are older and no longer have current copyrights.
>
> I suggest that you look again at what your library offers or call them up and ask if they have an arrangement with another library system that you can access.
>
> I know what you mean by the small selection. My county library carries way more WMA books than MP3, but luckily I have an extra iPod and BootCamp set up on my Mac, so I just check out the WMA for Windows books. Although one of my favorite authors has not give permission to transfer them to any Apple iDevice.
>
>
>
> On May 9, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Brandi C wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am new to downloading books using Overdrive. So new in fact I have yet to download my first book!
>>
>> I have about a 3 hour commute to work each day and would like to use some of this time in order to keep current on reading. But, the selection of audio books is much smaller than the collection of digital format books. Is there a way I can download digital books through Overdrive from the library and then have them read out loud?
>>
>> From what I have read online, iBooks can read the text out loud, but, not sure how I could get the download from Overdrive over to iBooks?
>>
>> Thank you for any options
>>
>> Brandi
>>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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Re: Way to have books read out loud on an iPhone?

Posted by: "BKCorya" brandiable@gmail.com   BKCorya

Wed May 9, 2012 6:20 pm (PDT)



Hi-

Your post brought up some interesting points I hadn't thought of. I assumed overdrive was the only option for downloading. I wonder since I have the kindle app on my phone if that is an option? Might take a little reading or testing on my part.

For anyone that already has experience downloading, I read one author recommend gaining a membership card to a larger library. I live in a VERY rural county and assumed you could only be a library member where you live. Does anyone hold multiple library memberships?

Thank you

--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> Where did you see anything about iBooks reading text? I can not find it. If you are speaking of Accessibility and VoiceOver, I don't think you will like it. I just tried it. And you will probably not like the voice or the hoops you have to jump through to make it work.
>
> I also believe that iBooks only accepts ePub and PDF format, formats that I don't think Overdrive offer.
>
> There are other sources for free audio books, but they are mostly public domain books, in other words, books that are older and no longer have current copyrights.
>
> I suggest that you look again at what your library offers or call them up and ask if they have an arrangement with another library system that you can access.
>
> I know what you mean by the small selection. My county library carries way more WMA books than MP3, but luckily I have an extra iPod and BootCamp set up on my Mac, so I just check out the WMA for Windows books. Although one of my favorite authors has not give permission to transfer them to any Apple iDevice.
>
>
>
> On May 9, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Brandi C wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I am new to downloading books using Overdrive. So new in fact I have yet to download my first book!
> >
> > I have about a 3 hour commute to work each day and would like to use some of this time in order to keep current on reading. But, the selection of audio books is much smaller than the collection of digital format books. Is there a way I can download digital books through Overdrive from the library and then have them read out loud?
> >
> > From what I have read online, iBooks can read the text out loud, but, not sure how I could get the download from Overdrive over to iBooks?
> >
> > Thank you for any options
> >
> > Brandi
> >
>

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2e.

Re: Way to have books read out loud on an iPhone?

Posted by: "Gijzette Strickland" gsstrickland@gmail.com   elfinbears

Wed May 9, 2012 8:02 pm (PDT)



I also live in a rural county that has a limited eBook selection through
overdrive; however, I can use the Kindle app for some of the books. I also
have a reciprocal library card from a larger county library but that
doesn't allow me to do the overdrive, which is what I was hoping for so I
could download eBooks and audiobooks. I think there are some large counties
that allow you to pay for a membership that gives you full access to all
services.

I listen to audiobooks onto my iPhone. I check the CDs out from the
library, import them to my Mac using Audiobook builder which puts them into
iTunes and then I sync them to my iPhone. Once I have finished listening to
them I delete them from the iPhone and iTunes. It takes some work but
definitely makes for a nicer commute to work.

--Gijzette

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 PM, BKCorya <brandiable@gmail.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi-
>
> Your post brought up some interesting points I hadn't thought of. I
> assumed overdrive was the only option for downloading. I wonder since I
> have the kindle app on my phone if that is an option? Might take a little
> reading or testing on my part.
>
> For anyone that already has experience downloading, I read one author
> recommend gaining a membership card to a larger library. I live in a VERY
> rural county and assumed you could only be a library member where you live.
> Does anyone hold multiple library memberships?
>
> Thank you
>
>
> --- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
> >
> > Where did you see anything about iBooks reading text? I can not find it.
> If you are speaking of Accessibility and VoiceOver, I don't think you will
> like it. I just tried it. And you will probably not like the voice or the
> hoops you have to jump through to make it work.
> >
> > I also believe that iBooks only accepts ePub and PDF format, formats
> that I don't think Overdrive offer.
> >
> > There are other sources for free audio books, but they are mostly public
> domain books, in other words, books that are older and no longer have
> current copyrights.
> >
> > I suggest that you look again at what your library offers or call them
> up and ask if they have an arrangement with another library system that you
> can access.
> >
> > I know what you mean by the small selection. My county library carries
> way more WMA books than MP3, but luckily I have an extra iPod and BootCamp
> set up on my Mac, so I just check out the WMA for Windows books. Although
> one of my favorite authors has not give permission to transfer them to any
> Apple iDevice.
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 9, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Brandi C wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I am new to downloading books using Overdrive. So new in fact I have
> yet to download my first book!
> > >
> > > I have about a 3 hour commute to work each day and would like to use
> some of this time in order to keep current on reading. But, the selection
> of audio books is much smaller than the collection of digital format books.
> Is there a way I can download digital books through Overdrive from the
> library and then have them read out loud?
> > >
> > > From what I have read online, iBooks can read the text out loud, but,
> not sure how I could get the download from Overdrive over to iBooks?
> > >
> > > Thank you for any options
> > >
> > > Brandi
> > >
> >
>
>
>

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3a.

Weird email glitch

Posted by: "doyle.eugene" doyle.eugene@yahoo.com   doyle.eugene

Wed May 9, 2012 6:25 am (PDT)



I checked my mail this morning and all 4 addresses I use showed mail with the description, "This message contains no data". All were dated 12/01/00. Even the trash bins were like this. I powered down the phone and restarted it. After this, all the mail was back.
I still could access web sites via Safari and Facebook.
Has this happened to anyone else?
This occurred with a 3G AND wifi connection.

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Re: Weird email glitch

Posted by: "Sanjaya Kanoria" wsbunter@gmail.com   zixxwr

Wed May 9, 2012 10:00 am (PDT)



This has happened to me several times. rebooting your phone is of little benefit. when I couldn't solve the problem I synced it with the Mac and that was the only thing that worked. however nothing like this happen for a long time - I'm surprised that it should have happened to you.

On 09-May-2012, at 6:48 PM, "doyle.eugene" <doyle.eugene@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I checked my mail this morning and all 4 addresses I use showed mail with the description, "This message contains no data". All were dated 12/01/00. Even the trash bins were like this. I powered down the phone and restarted it. After this, all the mail was back.
> I still could access web sites via Safari and Facebook.
> Has this happened to anyone else?
> This occurred with a 3G AND wifi connection.
>
>

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Re: Weird email glitch

Posted by: "Ken W." boomer17@roadrunner.com   boomer535

Wed May 9, 2012 11:03 am (PDT)



Happens to me on an iPod Touch. I did the same as you.

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "doyle.eugene" <doyle.eugene@yahoo.com>
To: <apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:18 AM
Subject: [apple-iphone] Weird email glitch

>I checked my mail this morning and all 4 addresses I use showed
>mail with the description, "This message contains no data". All
>were dated 12/01/00. Even the trash bins were like this. I
>powered down the phone and restarted it. After this, all the mail
>was back.
> I still could access web sites via Safari and Facebook.
> Has this happened to anyone else?
> This occurred with a 3G AND wifi connection.

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Drawing box

Posted by: "Paul" paul.deyo@gmail.com   crewcheef

Wed May 9, 2012 6:30 am (PDT)



Does anyone know how to draw a box around something in safari? Such as zooming in to a wunderground radar image?

Paul

Sent from my iPad

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5a.

Resellers and Bandwidth

Posted by: "lwr32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Wed May 9, 2012 2:35 pm (PDT)



Ting, a Sprint reseller, has some really good prices. What I don't understand is how the big cell companies can resell bandwidth someone like Ting. We are getting throttled and unlimited plans (dislike the false advertising in that) are going away because supposedly the big cell companies don't have enough bandwidth to cover all it's customers without slowdowns for the customers. I can understand reselling left over minutes since a lot of people don't use all their roll-over minutes.

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Re: Resellers and Bandwidth

Posted by: "Patrick W" androidtechguy@gmail.com   pwrigg

Wed May 9, 2012 2:50 pm (PDT)



What hurts them is the users who take advantage of it. I am not defending
the carriers, just pointing out that some users will use their devices to
power their home or office networks. Using bit torrent sites or stream
movies to home theater systems. The system can support a vast many users
who do normal day to day stuff like browsing the web, emailing, twitter,
google+, normal stuff. But if a lot of people start dong streaming movies
or dowloaing large files this puts a hurt on the thruput on the system.
Each cell tower has so much capacity. Thats not only the number of users
but the overall bandwidth available at that given time.

I think the carriers are using the excuse of the few bandwidth hogs to
punish the rest of the users and tier plans to make more money.

I would like to consider my self an average user or slightly above. The
most i have ever used in a given month was between 4-5 gigs.

But when i read forums and see people bragging about 20+ gigs, you bet
those are the people that need to be throttled. Wireless devices are being
upgraded on a yearly basis while the network infrastructure is being
updated every 3-5 years. Someone chime in on that with some better info.

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Re: Resellers and Bandwidth

Posted by: "lwr32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Wed May 9, 2012 2:59 pm (PDT)



Companies like Ting are being sold bandwidth by the big cell companies. If those companies are running out of bandwidth, how can they sell it to small companies?

I am probably wrong here but I think the only bandwidth hog is the one that uses more bandwidth than they pay for. If they are on an unlimited (all you can eat) plan, they are not bandwidth hogs (IMHO). They are using what they pay for. The large cell companies don't like that because they see profit going down the drain.

🐰 Alice

On May 9, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Patrick W <androidtechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

> What hurts them is the users who take advantage of it. I am not defending
> the carriers, just pointing out that some users will use their devices to
> power their home or office networks. Using bit torrent sites or stream
> movies to home theater systems. The system can support a vast many users
> who do normal day to day stuff like browsing the web, emailing, twitter,
> google+, normal stuff. But if a lot of people start dong streaming movies
> or dowloaing large files this puts a hurt on the thruput on the system.
> Each cell tower has so much capacity. Thats not only the number of users
> but the overall bandwidth available at that given time.
>
> I think the carriers are using the excuse of the few bandwidth hogs to
> punish the rest of the users and tier plans to make more money.
>
> I would like to consider my self an average user or slightly above. The
> most i have ever used in a given month was between 4-5 gigs.
>
> But when i read forums and see people bragging about 20+ gigs, you bet
> those are the people that need to be throttled. Wireless devices are being
> upgraded on a yearly basis while the network infrastructure is being
> updated every 3-5 years. Someone chime in on that with some better info.
>
>

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Re: Resellers and Bandwidth

Posted by: "Patrick W" androidtechguy@gmail.com   pwrigg

Wed May 9, 2012 3:35 pm (PDT)



I think you missed my point. Tethering for your home or network office is
beyond the normal use of a smart phone.
The smartphone unlimited plan is originally thought out to be the data used
for your smart phone. NOT the data you can use for your smart phone, then
tether for your home or office..
If you want hotspot pay the additional fee and be limited by the data cap
put on by your carrier.

I should back out of this conversation anyway, our also talking about the
major carriers re-selling their service for MVNO services. I was refering
to the end users who are the hogs.

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Re: Resellers and Bandwidth

Posted by: "whiterabbit32" whiterabbit32@gmail.com   lwr0032

Wed May 9, 2012 4:05 pm (PDT)



I'm an end user. I don't like having to monitor my usage. Unlimited should be just that, not limited. I pay the price, I should be able to use it.

Alice
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On May 9, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Patrick W <androidtechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think you missed my point. Tethering for your home or network office is
> beyond the normal use of a smart phone.
> The smartphone unlimited plan is originally thought out to be the data used
> for your smart phone. NOT the data you can use for your smart phone, then
> tether for your home or office..
> If you want hotspot pay the additional fee and be limited by the data cap
> put on by your carrier.
>
> I should back out of this conversation anyway, our also talking about the
> major carriers re-selling their service for MVNO services. I was refering
> to the end users who are the hogs.
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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iPad to come standard with 2013 Cadillac CTS

Posted by: "Bill Boulware" bill.boulware@gmail.com   boulware0224

Wed May 9, 2012 6:11 pm (PDT)



I had this idea a year ago -

Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: iPad to come standard
with 2013 Cadillac CTS via 9to5Mac by Jake Smith on 5/9/12





As a way to get new car owners a bit more up to date with their new
2013 CTS, Cadillac plans to give every new owner an iPad full of
directions that go over the car's features. Cadillac's head of customer
experience Mark Harland said Cadillac plans to "be the leader in
customer experience," reported Wired, and it looks like the iPad will
help them reach that status. The news was revealed at this year's CTIA
conference, which is taking place in New Orleans.

However, it is worth noting that Cadillac does not plan to actually
integrate the iPad into the dashboard of the CTS, but it will rather
come preloaded with manuals that teach the new owners all about the
car. The manuals will especially come in handy with Cadillac's new CUE
infotainment system that is powered by an 8-inch touchscreen that has
many smartphone-like apps pre-loaded on it. The inside of this ride
looks very slick (image via Wired), but it may confuse some new owners
after leaving the dealership:



The iPad given to customers at the Cadillac dealership will come
pre-loaded with OnStar RemoteLink, MyCadillac, and a custom app made by
the company that gives complete overviews of the 2013 CTS' infotainment
system.

It would have been cool if Cadillac took the Mercedes approach and
actually adopted Apple's technologies into the dashboard. Mercedes' new
A-class automobile is launching with Siri built-in, which allows
drivers to make appointments, send text messages and emails, get
weather information, and control their music through Siri's voice
commands. Buy a roughly $40,000 car… get an iPad!






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IOS 5.1.1 and Bluetooth On/Off App

Posted by: "Gijzette Strickland" gsstrickland@gmail.com   elfinbears

Wed May 9, 2012 8:05 pm (PDT)



Hi,

I was able to purchase the Bluetooth On/Off App before Apple pulled it from
the App store. I was wondering if anyone else in the group had downloaded
this app and has updated to iOS 5.1.1. Does the app still function or is it
rendered useless, I use it a few times a day and really love the
functionality.

~Gijzette

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