12/22/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 9289

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Digest #9289

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Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:09 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Barry Austern" barryaus

At 5:21 PM +0000 12/21/12, missladybee wrote:

>
>
>The 45 battery load cycles in 6 years is probably correct. I rarely
>use the laptop, maybe only once or twice a year! Many times the
>battery ran down all the way. If I had charged it on a regular
>basis, making sure it never ran all the way down, would that have
>extended the life of the battery?
>
>No Apple store near by. Amazon has a new battery for $21, regular
>$129 (which is the price from Apple online). At $21 seems extremely
>low in comparison, would that be a risky purchase?

Sure, but you are risking only $21. If it is only half as good as the
one at list price you are way ahead.

However, before buying a new battery you should try it out with a
known good battery. Might be something wrong with the computer, not
the battery.
Several years ago, when the PowerPC PowerBook was current, I bought a
17" one on eBay. It had pretty much the same symptoms of yours.
Later, hoping to resell, I bought another, identical, other than
memory configuration machine. I switched batteries. The bad one would
not charge the other battery, and the newer one very easily charged
up the depleted battery. Oh well, I thought. Let's move the memory
around, so the good machine had more memory. I did that and, guess
what, both machines now worked fine.
The above was back in the days of Open Firmware, and, after the fact,
I remembered that changing memory configuration was a way to reset
the OF to factory defaults. I believe that that is what happened,
that some glitch in the OF screwed up the charging circuits.

All your machine might need is the newer paradigm that replaced
resetting Open Firmware??
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:40 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"missladybee" missladybee

The computer works perfectly when plugged in. Unfortunately I do not have access a good battery without actually purchasing one.

Did letting the battery run completely down several times during it's lifetime cause an early death??

Sorry, I am not experienced enough to understand what you are talking about here.

<All your machine might need is the newer paradigm that replaced resetting Open Firmware??>

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Barry Austern <barryaus@...> wrote:
>
> At 5:21 PM +0000 12/21/12, missladybee wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >The 45 battery load cycles in 6 years is probably correct. I rarely
> >use the laptop, maybe only once or twice a year! Many times the
> >battery ran down all the way. If I had charged it on a regular
> >basis, making sure it never ran all the way down, would that have
> >extended the life of the battery?
> >
> >No Apple store near by. Amazon has a new battery for $21, regular
> >$129 (which is the price from Apple online). At $21 seems extremely
> >low in comparison, would that be a risky purchase?
>
> Sure, but you are risking only $21. If it is only half as good as the
> one at list price you are way ahead.
>
> However, before buying a new battery you should try it out with a
> known good battery. Might be something wrong with the computer, not
> the battery.
> Several years ago, when the PowerPC PowerBook was current, I bought a
> 17" one on eBay. It had pretty much the same symptoms of yours.
> Later, hoping to resell, I bought another, identical, other than
> memory configuration machine. I switched batteries. The bad one would
> not charge the other battery, and the newer one very easily charged
> up the depleted battery. Oh well, I thought. Let's move the memory
> around, so the good machine had more memory. I did that and, guess
> what, both machines now worked fine.
> The above was back in the days of Open Firmware, and, after the fact,
> I remembered that changing memory configuration was a way to reset
> the OF to factory defaults. I believe that that is what happened,
> that some glitch in the OF screwed up the charging circuits.
>
> All your machine might need is the newer paradigm that replaced
> resetting Open Firmware??
> --
> Barry Austern
> barryaus@...
>

Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:06 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

$21 sounds too good to be true. Sounds like old (dead or dying) stock. And with Amazon, you have no idea who the real seller is.

I hate OWC, but I would trust their $90 battery over the Amazon $21 battery, by more than 5 times. From a company that sells lots of batteries, I would expect fresher stock, and most batteries do die with just age.

Was the date correct when you found the battery dead?

If you only use it once or twice a year, do you really need a battery? Remove the battery and store it in a zip-lock bag when not using the MacBook, and use it with the power cord. The reason to remove the battery and store it in a zip-lock is so it does not swell while in the laptop and so it does not leak and ruin it.

On an off chance, look up battery recalibration at Apple Support. There might be a slight chance you can "rejuvenate" the battery you have. If it recovers or you get another battery, don't let it run down all the way while in storage. If it runs down while you are using it, then charge it up be fore putting it away.

Some Mac laptops will run without a battery in place some don't. It kind of defeats the purpose of a laptop, but then again only using it once or twice a year means you don't really need a portable. Without an external battery installed you will find the PRAM battery will die on you. That can also cause usability issues. That is why I asked if the date was correct. The time can be off some, but if the date is wrong then the PRAM battery is already dead, as would be expected with a 6 year old laptop.

Brent

On Dec 21, 2012, at 9:21 AM, missladybee wrote:

The 45 battery load cycles in 6 years is probably correct. I rarely use the laptop, maybe only once or twice a year! Many times the battery ran down all the way. If I had charged it on a regular basis, making sure it never ran all the way down, would that have extended the life of the battery?

No Apple store near by. Amazon has a new battery for $21, regular $129 (which is the price from Apple online). At $21 seems extremely low in comparison, would that be a risky purchase?

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> With a current charge and capacity of zero, and and I assume an age of 6 years. I would say it is done. I would check the contacts and reinstall the battery, but apparently the Coconut Battery app has read the logic circuit.
>
> Only 45 battery load cycles in 6 years does not sound correct, even for extremely light use. I use mine daily and I get about 3 years from a battery.
>
> If you have an Apple Store near by, take it in and have them check it. You can get a new replacement elsewhere, for less than you can from Apple. Do not buy a used one, and a new one will probably run you $100 plus.
>
>
> On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:56 PM, missladybee wrote:
>
> I have a 2006 MacBook 13" (White) laptop When I turned it on using the MagSafe connector the light showed green. When I unplugged the MSC, the computer shut down. I plugged it back in and left it on for awhile, it never turned orange, as it should have, since I had not used or recharged the computer in least 2 months. The computer is just like new, hardly ever used and charged occasionally. Is it possible the battery could actually by DEAD?
>
> I downloaded "Coconut Battery" software and here are the results.....
>
> Current Charge: 0 mAh
> Maximum charge: 0 mAh
> -2.147484e+09%
>
> Battery capacity
> Current capacity: 0 mAh
> Design capacity 5020 mAh
>
> Model: MacBook 1,1
> Age of Mac: 78 Months
> Battery load cycles: 45
>
> Battery temperature 29.8C
> Battery power usage: -0.0 Watt
>
> ~~~
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara E

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Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:26 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Storing the battery without a charge _probably_ killed it. But there is a slight chance it did not. Try leaving the laptop plugged in and charging for a couple of days and then run the test app again. See if there is any change in the results. Find and read the articles about battery recalibration in Apple Support.

Barbara, do you really need a battery the way you use the MacBook, if it runs without a battery?

I disagree with Barry that resetting the Open Firmware might help. Storing any battery with no charge will kill it, even a deep cycle battery. If the laptop had been used regularly, yes, that might be the case, but as infrequently as it has been used, I doubt it.

And yes, I believe in the Apple battery recalibration articles, it talks about a Open Firmware reset as a possible solution, but I don't think that will be the fix. I think it is just mechanical or chemical exhaustion from being stored too long in a zero charge state.

Brent

On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:40 PM, missladybee wrote:

The computer works perfectly when plugged in. Unfortunately I do not have access a good battery without actually purchasing one.

Did letting the battery run completely down several times during it's lifetime cause an early death??

Sorry, I am not experienced enough to understand what you are talking about here.

<All your machine might need is the newer paradigm that replaced resetting Open Firmware??>

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Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:29 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"missladybee" missladybee

Thanks you everyone for all your information. BTW, we removed the battery and all contacts and battery were perfectly clean. I will check out battery recalibration at Apple Support.

Right now I think I will pass on the idea of buying a new battery since, as you say, I really don't need one because I can plug it in if and when I need to.

I have considered selling it, since it is rarely used. The works and looks like a brand new laptop, not a scratch anywhere. I'm thinking when I decide to list it for sale, I will just explain its condition and let the buyer pick the replacement battery.

Thanks again,
Barbara

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> $21 sounds too good to be true. Sounds like old (dead or dying) stock. And with Amazon, you have no idea who the real seller is.
>
> I hate OWC, but I would trust their $90 battery over the Amazon $21 battery, by more than 5 times. From a company that sells lots of batteries, I would expect fresher stock, and most batteries do die with just age.
>
> Was the date correct when you found the battery dead?
>
> If you only use it once or twice a year, do you really need a battery? Remove the battery and store it in a zip-lock bag when not using the MacBook, and use it with the power cord. The reason to remove the battery and store it in a zip-lock is so it does not swell while in the laptop and so it does not leak and ruin it.
>
> On an off chance, look up battery recalibration at Apple Support. There might be a slight chance you can "rejuvenate" the battery you have. If it recovers or you get another battery, don't let it run down all the way while in storage. If it runs down while you are using it, then charge it up be fore putting it away.
>
> Some Mac laptops will run without a battery in place some don't. It kind of defeats the purpose of a laptop, but then again only using it once or twice a year means you don't really need a portable. Without an external battery installed you will find the PRAM battery will die on you. That can also cause usability issues. That is why I asked if the date was correct. The time can be off some, but if the date is wrong then the PRAM battery is already dead, as would be expected with a 6 year old laptop.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2012, at 9:21 AM, missladybee wrote:
>
> The 45 battery load cycles in 6 years is probably correct. I rarely use the laptop, maybe only once or twice a year! Many times the battery ran down all the way. If I had charged it on a regular basis, making sure it never ran all the way down, would that have extended the life of the battery?
>
> No Apple store near by. Amazon has a new battery for $21, regular $129 (which is the price from Apple online). At $21 seems extremely low in comparison, would that be a risky purchase?
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@> wrote:
> >
> > With a current charge and capacity of zero, and and I assume an age of 6 years. I would say it is done. I would check the contacts and reinstall the battery, but apparently the Coconut Battery app has read the logic circuit.
> >
> > Only 45 battery load cycles in 6 years does not sound correct, even for extremely light use. I use mine daily and I get about 3 years from a battery.
> >
> > If you have an Apple Store near by, take it in and have them check it. You can get a new replacement elsewhere, for less than you can from Apple. Do not buy a used one, and a new one will probably run you $100 plus.
> >
> >
> > On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:56 PM, missladybee wrote:
> >
> > I have a 2006 MacBook 13" (White) laptop When I turned it on using the MagSafe connector the light showed green. When I unplugged the MSC, the computer shut down. I plugged it back in and left it on for awhile, it never turned orange, as it should have, since I had not used or recharged the computer in least 2 months. The computer is just like new, hardly ever used and charged occasionally. Is it possible the battery could actually by DEAD?
> >
> > I downloaded "Coconut Battery" software and here are the results.....
> >
> > Current Charge: 0 mAh
> > Maximum charge: 0 mAh
> > -2.147484e+09%
> >
> > Battery capacity
> > Current capacity: 0 mAh
> > Design capacity 5020 mAh
> >
> > Model: MacBook 1,1
> > Age of Mac: 78 Months
> > Battery load cycles: 45
> >
> > Battery temperature 29.8C
> > Battery power usage: -0.0 Watt
> >
> > ~~~
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Barbara E
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:13 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"halboye18" halboye18

I keep all my contacts in Address Book and would like to print labels for a select group of contact, but don't know how.

I also have Word 2008, if that is of any help.

If you have a solution, write it slowly, 'cause I'm slow on the uptake :-)

Thanks very much in advance,

hal
hal.horwitz@comcast.net

Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:43 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"John Engberg" mrbyte


On Dec 21, 2012, at 3:13 PM, halboye18 <hal.horwitz@comcast.net> wrote:

> I keep all my contacts in Address Book and would like to print labels for a select group of contact, but don't know how.
>
> I also have Word 2008, if that is of any help.
>
> If you have a solution, write it slowly, 'cause I'm slow on the uptake :-)
>
> Thanks very much in advance,
>
>
> hal
> hal.horwitz@comcast.net
>
>
Here ya go, Hal,

Printing labels from Contacts - aka Address Book - is amazingly easy, provided you've got your data properly formatted.

First thing to do is to look at the preferences in Contacts and made sure that the names are listed first name before last name. (There's nothing quite as tacky, in my mind, as getting a greeting card where the address shows my last name first, particularly on a Hallmark card.). Then, make sure the labels were to be sorted by last name.

The next step is to make sure that you are looking at all your contacts and select those that you want to print labels for. If you want all of them, go to the Edit menu and choose "Select All," or use Cmd a from the keyboard. If you want to print just a few, hold down the Cmd and the Shift keys and click on those you want.

After having done your selecting, choose Print from the File menu. At that point you'll get a screen showing labels in a panel on the left and a bunch of selectable settings on the right.

Make sure the "Style" selected is Mailing Labels, "Layout" is selected, "Page" is Avery Standard, and in the drop down menu just to the right of Avery Standard, choose the Avery template number corresponding to your Avery label stock.

At this point, you are ready to print, but you should save it as a PDF so you can proof the labels before you print them - no sense wasting paper or a sheet of label stock.

John Engberg

Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:03 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"halboye18" halboye18

Terrific ... I'll try going through the steps and see how it works

Thanks very much, hal

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2012, at 3:13 PM, halboye18 <hal.horwitz@...> wrote:
>
> > I keep all my contacts in Address Book and would like to print labels for a select group of contact, but don't know how.
> >
> > I also have Word 2008, if that is of any help.
> >
> > If you have a solution, write it slowly, 'cause I'm slow on the uptake :-)
> >
> > Thanks very much in advance,
> >
> >
> > hal
> > hal.horwitz@...
> >
> >
> Here ya go, Hal,
>
> Printing labels from Contacts - aka Address Book - is amazingly easy, provided you've got your data properly formatted.
>
> First thing to do is to look at the preferences in Contacts and made sure that the names are listed first name before last name. (There's nothing quite as tacky, in my mind, as getting a greeting card where the address shows my last name first, particularly on a Hallmark card.). Then, make sure the labels were to be sorted by last name.
>
> The next step is to make sure that you are looking at all your contacts and select those that you want to print labels for. If you want all of them, go to the Edit menu and choose "Select All," or use Cmd a from the keyboard. If you want to print just a few, hold down the Cmd and the Shift keys and click on those you want.
>
> After having done your selecting, choose Print from the File menu. At that point you'll get a screen showing labels in a panel on the left and a bunch of selectable settings on the right.
>
> Make sure the "Style" selected is Mailing Labels, "Layout" is selected, "Page" is Avery Standard, and in the drop down menu just to the right of Avery Standard, choose the Avery template number corresponding to your Avery label stock.
>
> At this point, you are ready to print, but you should save it as a PDF so you can proof the labels before you print them - no sense wasting paper or a sheet of label stock.
>
> John Engberg
>

Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:51 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

Just to add:-

If you expect to do this more than once, add the cards to a group and then
you can print the whole group. Groups can be manual, where you explicitly
add cards to them, or "smart", where cards are added automatically
according to selection criteria. The criteria can be anything in the card
so if there's nothing already in common, you can add something to, say, the
Notes field and use that.

Otto

On 21 December 2012 21:03, halboye18 <hal.horwitz@comcast.net> wrote:

> Terrific ... I'll try going through the steps and see how it works
>
> Thanks very much, hal
>

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Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:21 am (PST) . Posted by:

"James Robertson" jamesrob328i


On Dec 21, 2012, at 12:43 PM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Printing labels from Contacts - aka Address Book - is amazingly easy, provided you've got your data properly formatted.
>
> First thing to do is to look at the preferences in Contacts and made sure that the names are listed first name before last name. (There's nothing quite as tacky, in my mind, as getting a greeting card where the address shows my last name first, particularly on a Hallmark card.). Then, make sure the labels were to be sorted by last name.

Any idea if a list of contacts can be printed from Contacts to a Dymo label printer?

Thanks,
Jim Robertson

Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:11 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

And in contrast, I have use generic toner with excellent results in HP printers.

The toner from

http://www.tonerrefillsplus.com/

is supposedly premium quality. I have used it to refill my cartridges.

Brent

On Dec 21, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Les Streater wrote:

I had two Oki printers some years ago - brilliant with original toners, both got ruined when I changed to generic toner.

I now run a Xerox 9800, and wouldn't even look at generic! Quality control in toner, seals and fittings is just not the same.

You don't say which model you are using, but if its a reasonable current model, I'd suggest looking at going onto a Pagepack contract - you pay a fixed price for colour and for mono pages, but it includes all toners, drums, filters, etc., and includes full service. Eight pence for a colour page and under 1 penny for black.

Best investment I made in printing!

Hope that helps.

Les Streater

On 21 Dec 2012, at 16:55, André Boey wrote:

Does anyone have experience or opinions on using generic toner in Xerox color laser printers?

I do design work and run proofs from my studio Macs to a networked Xerox printer. The last batch of generic toner I got seems to be of terrible quality, causing streaks, uneven blotches, and even flaking right off the paper. I find this odd because I've always used generics in my laser and inkjet printers without any trouble. The Xerox is the newest, just over a year old.

I'm wondering if there's something particular about Xerox printers that make them less tolerant of generic toner. Or perhaps I just got a bad batch of toner to begin with. Any suggestions welcome. Otherwise I'll bite the bullet and get original Xerox toner.

Andre

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Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:16 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Paul Hill" hlecptr

I just had about 1,700 slides converted to digital a few weeks ago. I used ScanCafe and they did a good job. Their site is Scancafe.com

Good luck,

Paul
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