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Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:46 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
On 18/12/12 18:58, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Chris you're correct, I mis-read the issue. But as the OP later pointed out, it can easily be accomplished without the arrows.
Actually, I pointed it out, not the OP, but thats not really important.
> I find that by avoiding tweaks, hacks and extra third party software to adjust the OS, I have fewer problems. K.I.S.S.
I can only agree there. I never use third party hacks for this sort of
thing, as ultimately they tend to just cause problems.
Chris
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> On Dec 17, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
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> On 17 Dec 2012, at 9:44pm, "N.A. Nada"<whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
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>> System Prefs> General
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>> Two sections down, Show scroll bars: Automatically, When scrolling or Always.
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> No. As I have said a few times now, that just controls when the schroll bars themselves are shown, not the schroll bar ARROWS, which is what the OP was asking about. As far as I know, there is (non third party) option to turn these back on in Lion onwards.
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>> You don't need any third party app, you just need to change your settings.
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>> Brent
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>> On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Richard Huggins wrote:
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>> I've only recently started working with OS X Lion, and am using a 15" MAcBook Pro with retina display. My scroll bars have no arrows whatsoever. Is this standard with Lion or is it some sort of anomaly with the retina display's high rez, or a bug or..what.
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>> And speaking of, I had my other Mac so long I've forgotten where it is I can choose to position the scroll bar arrow at each end or to have them both at one end (my preference).
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> Chris you're correct, I mis-read the issue. But as the OP later pointed out, it can easily be accomplished without the arrows.
Actually, I pointed it out, not the OP, but thats not really important.
> I find that by avoiding tweaks, hacks and extra third party software to adjust the OS, I have fewer problems. K.I.S.S.
I can only agree there. I never use third party hacks for this sort of
thing, as ultimately they tend to just cause problems.
Chris
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> Brent
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> On Dec 17, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
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> On 17 Dec 2012, at 9:44pm, "N.A. Nada"<whodo678@comcast.
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>> System Prefs> General
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>> Two sections down, Show scroll bars: Automatically, When scrolling or Always.
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> No. As I have said a few times now, that just controls when the schroll bars themselves are shown, not the schroll bar ARROWS, which is what the OP was asking about. As far as I know, there is (non third party) option to turn these back on in Lion onwards.
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>> You don't need any third party app, you just need to change your settings.
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>> Brent
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>> On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Richard Huggins wrote:
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>> I've only recently started working with OS X Lion, and am using a 15" MAcBook Pro with retina display. My scroll bars have no arrows whatsoever. Is this standard with Lion or is it some sort of anomaly with the retina display's high rez, or a bug or..what.
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>> And speaking of, I had my other Mac so long I've forgotten where it is I can choose to position the scroll bar arrow at each end or to have them both at one end (my preference).
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:45 am (PST) . Posted by:
"OBrien" conorboru
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:46:50 +0000, Chris Jones wrote:
>> I find that by avoiding tweaks, hacks and extra third party
>> software to adjust the OS, I have fewer problems. K.I.S.S.
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> I can only agree there. I never use third party hacks for this sort of
> thing, as ultimately they tend to just cause problems.
I've used TinkerTools for years, and have never had any problem.
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>> I find that by avoiding tweaks, hacks and extra third party
>> software to adjust the OS, I have fewer problems. K.I.S.S.
>
> I can only agree there. I never use third party hacks for this sort of
> thing, as ultimately they tend to just cause problems.
I've used TinkerTools for years, and have never had any problem.
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O'Brien ––– –... .-. .. . -.
Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:45 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>>> I find that by avoiding tweaks, hacks and extra third party
>>> software to adjust the OS, I have fewer problems.
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>> I can only agree there. I never use third party hacks for this sort of
>> thing, as ultimately they tend to just cause problems.
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> I've used TinkerTools for years, and have never had any problem.
It is my impression that TT never hacks the system; rather it only allows you to activate options, switches, that Apple placed in the system.
>>> software to adjust the OS, I have fewer problems.
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>> I can only agree there. I never use third party hacks for this sort of
>> thing, as ultimately they tend to just cause problems.
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> I've used TinkerTools for years, and have never had any problem.
It is my impression that TT never hacks the system; rather it only allows you to activate options, switches, that Apple placed in the system.
Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:08 am (PST) . Posted by:
"OBrien" conorboru
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:45:15 -0500, Jim Saklad wrote:
> It is my impression that TT never hacks the system; rather it only
> allows you to activate options, switches, that Apple placed in the
> system.
Well...I'm not sure. I know, for example, that my OSX has only two options for scroll arrows: at the top of bottom of the scrollbar, or together. TinkerTool allows me to choose from four: at both ends, together at top, together at bottom, or together at both ends. I don't know, but I'm guessing that TinkerTool might be editing the sys prefs the same as if I did it manually in the Terminal mode. It's just much easier using TinkerTool because I don't have to know how to use Terminal.
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> It is my impression that TT never hacks the system; rather it only
> allows you to activate options, switches, that Apple placed in the
> system.
Well...I'm not sure. I know, for example, that my OSX has only two options for scroll arrows: at the top of bottom of the scrollbar, or together. TinkerTool allows me to choose from four: at both ends, together at top, together at bottom, or together at both ends. I don't know, but I'm guessing that TinkerTool might be editing the sys prefs the same as if I did it manually in the Terminal mode. It's just much easier using TinkerTool because I don't have to know how to use Terminal.
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:49 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 19 December 2012 17:07, OBrien <bco@hiwaay.net> wrote:
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> Well...I'm not sure. I know, for example, that my OSX has only two options
> for scroll arrows: at the top of bottom of the scrollbar, or together.
> TinkerTool allows me to choose from four: at both ends, together at top,
> together at bottom, or together at both ends. I don't know, but I'm
> guessing that TinkerTool might be editing the sys prefs the same as if I
> did it manually in the Terminal mode. It's just much easier using
> TinkerTool because I don't have to know how to use Terminal.
>
Another good utility is Onyx.
<http://www.titanium.free.fr/downloadonyx.php >
Otto
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> Well...I'm not sure. I know, for example, that my OSX has only two options
> for scroll arrows: at the top of bottom of the scrollbar, or together.
> TinkerTool allows me to choose from four: at both ends, together at top,
> together at bottom, or together at both ends. I don't know, but I'm
> guessing that TinkerTool might be editing the sys prefs the same as if I
> did it manually in the Terminal mode. It's just much easier using
> TinkerTool because I don't have to know how to use Terminal.
>
Another good utility is Onyx.
<http://www.titanium
Otto
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:19 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Jeff" jbturof
I'll answer in order---and thank you Jim Saklad for the Mac values below....doesn'
1) The 'genius' at the Mac store I took it to told me it wouldn't be worth more than $150-$200 and that HE wouldn't bother fixing it if it were him. I want to fix it but can't afford it...I'm just looking for less expensive options.
2) The $350 was to send it off to wherever and have it replaced. I'm guessing the cost of the LCD wasn't in there but if he was that far off on the value of the mac...who knows.
3) This is my model:
MacBookPro4,
4) At the genius bar, we hooked it up to an external monitor and it worked fine. They hooked up an external drive with a 'test' from nVidia which tested for defects in the graphics card but no dice. In the end...yeah, I could hook it up to an external monitor, but that defeats the purpose of a laptop. I have an 27" iMac also--the MacBook Pro was my road machine for freelance client reviews.
I know $350 isn't a lot--even if that's really the price--but for me it is. Most of my $$ went into the iMac. The extra $350 isn't there to spend right now.
Thanks.
jeff
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> >>> The actual value of the laptop isn't over $150 ...
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> >> Just curious, how did you arrive at a value of $150+ for a 2008 MBP?
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> > I was wondering that too.
> > I have a feeling it's worth a lot more than you think.
> > And $350 for a replacement LCD is way cheap!
> > cjc
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:03 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Bill Boy" billmboy
iFixit has a screen for you here http://www.ifixit.com/MacBook-Parts/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Models-A1226-A1260-LCD-Panel/IF185-004
There are some screen listed on Amazon too.
Google search can find you something.
bill
On Dec 19, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Jeff wrote:
> I'll answer in order---and thank you Jim Saklad for the Mac values below....doesn't help my situation but makes me feel better about it.
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> 1) The 'genius' at the Mac store I took it to told me it wouldn't be worth more than $150-$200 and that HE wouldn't bother fixing it if it were him. I want to fix it but can't afford it...I'm just looking for less expensive options.
> 2) The $350 was to send it off to wherever and have it replaced. I'm guessing the cost of the LCD wasn't in there but if he was that far off on the value of the mac...who knows.
> 3) This is my model:
> MacBookPro4,1 (15-inch, Early 2008) 15.4"/D2.5Ghz/4G/250/SD-DL
> 4) At the genius bar, we hooked it up to an external monitor and it worked fine. They hooked up an external drive with a 'test' from nVidia which tested for defects in the graphics card but no dice. In the end...yeah, I could hook it up to an external monitor, but that defeats the purpose of a laptop. I have an 27" iMac also--the MacBook Pro was my road machine for freelance client reviews.
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> I know $350 isn't a lot--even if that's really the price--but for me it is. Most of my $$ went into the iMac. The extra $350 isn't there to spend right now.
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There are some screen listed on Amazon too.
Google search can find you something.
bill
On Dec 19, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Jeff wrote:
> I'll answer in order---and thank you Jim Saklad for the Mac values below....doesn'
>
> 1) The 'genius' at the Mac store I took it to told me it wouldn't be worth more than $150-$200 and that HE wouldn't bother fixing it if it were him. I want to fix it but can't afford it...I'm just looking for less expensive options.
> 2) The $350 was to send it off to wherever and have it replaced. I'm guessing the cost of the LCD wasn't in there but if he was that far off on the value of the mac...who knows.
> 3) This is my model:
> MacBookPro4,
> 4) At the genius bar, we hooked it up to an external monitor and it worked fine. They hooked up an external drive with a 'test' from nVidia which tested for defects in the graphics card but no dice. In the end...yeah, I could hook it up to an external monitor, but that defeats the purpose of a laptop. I have an 27" iMac also--the MacBook Pro was my road machine for freelance client reviews.
>
> I know $350 isn't a lot--even if that's really the price--but for me it is. Most of my $$ went into the iMac. The extra $350 isn't there to spend right now.
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:02 am (PST) . Posted by:
"keith_w" keith9600
I have an iMac, with OS 10.7.5, and use SeaMonkey 2.14.1 for my web
based email client.
As I type messages and make typing errors, before I can catch them
and correct myself, a female voice interrupts and with few exceptions,
every utterance of hers sounds like "period."
Most annoying, and the only way I've found to stop it is to turn my
sound off. That's no solution, as I need sound for some things.
Who knows where I can go and stop this intrusion?
Thanks, keith whaley
based email client.
As I type messages and make typing errors, before I can catch them
and correct myself, a female voice interrupts and with few exceptions,
every utterance of hers sounds like "period."
Most annoying, and the only way I've found to stop it is to turn my
sound off. That's no solution, as I need sound for some things.
Who knows where I can go and stop this intrusion?
Thanks, keith whaley
Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:13 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
I'm guessing that you have Voice Over enabled. System Preferences >
Universal Access > Seeing.
Otto
On 19 December 2012 18:02, keith_w <keith_w@dslextreme.com > wrote:
> I have an iMac, with OS 10.7.5, and use SeaMonkey 2.14.1 for my web
> based email client.
>
> As I type messages and make typing errors, before I can catch them
> and correct myself, a female voice interrupts and with few exceptions,
> every utterance of hers sounds like "period."
> Most annoying, and the only way I've found to stop it is to turn my
> sound off. That's no solution, as I need sound for some things.
>
> Who knows where I can go and stop this intrusion?
>
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Universal Access > Seeing.
Otto
On 19 December 2012 18:02, keith_w <keith_w@dslextreme.
> I have an iMac, with OS 10.7.5, and use SeaMonkey 2.14.1 for my web
> based email client.
>
> As I type messages and make typing errors, before I can catch them
> and correct myself, a female voice interrupts and with few exceptions,
> every utterance of hers sounds like "period."
> Most annoying, and the only way I've found to stop it is to turn my
> sound off. That's no solution, as I need sound for some things.
>
> Who knows where I can go and stop this intrusion?
>
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:12 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Donna Ells" dellis551
Hi. I am running 27" iMac X.6.8. When restarting the iMac, Safari
automatically opens on its own, and to a specific website:
http://debbiedesigns.typepad.com/
I've emptied Safari's cache, to no avail.
I even reset Safari with all the items clicked.
I've repaired permissions several times thru OnyX, and deleted Browser
Cache, Download Cache, Browser History, Recent Searches, Web Page Previews
and Cookies TWICE.
Is there some place I can go to clean up the start up items? The only thing
I want going upon startup is the OS/Finder.
When HOME is selected, this is not the URL/page which pops up.
Thank you for any light you can shed on this mystery.
Donna
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automatically opens on its own, and to a specific website:
http://debbiedesign
I've emptied Safari's cache, to no avail.
I even reset Safari with all the items clicked.
I've repaired permissions several times thru OnyX, and deleted Browser
Cache, Download Cache, Browser History, Recent Searches, Web Page Previews
and Cookies TWICE.
Is there some place I can go to clean up the start up items? The only thing
I want going upon startup is the OS/Finder.
When HOME is selected, this is not the URL/page which pops up.
Thank you for any light you can shed on this mystery.
Donna
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