12/30/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 9305

15 New Messages

Digest #9305
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LOTS of junk mail by "Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog
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Re: LOTS of junk mail by "Forrest Leedy" forrkazu
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Re: LOTS of junk mail by "HAL9000" jrswebhome
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Re: LOTS of junk mail by "Cherie Beauton" apple_mac_icat
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Re: LOTS of junk mail by "JoAnn Gates"
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Re: LOTS of junk mail by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
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Re: LOTS of junk mail by "Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog
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Re: LOTS of junk mail by "HAL9000" jrswebhome
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Re: LOTS of junk mail by "Cherie Beauton" apple_mac_icat
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Re: LOTS of junk mail by "James Robertson" jamesrob328i
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Re: LOTS of junk mail by "Cherie Beauton" apple_mac_icat
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Flaky USB 3 Hub by "George Katele" gkatele
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Re: Flaky USB 3 Hub by "John Engberg" mrbyte
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Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:34 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog

I have a Mac Mini and use Mail that comes with it for my email. Junk mail appears alongside real email but in a different color. Until about a week ago there has been very little junk mail. Now, however, I'm seeing a VERY large amt of junk mail and most of it is NOT in the separate color, so when I see it, I'm having to mark it as junk mail. Is there a reason for this, and is there anything I can do about this change I'm seeing?

Louise

Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:11 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Forrest Leedy" forrkazu


On Dec 30, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Louise Stewart <veggie236@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I have a Mac Mini and use Mail that comes with it for my email. Junk mail appears alongside real email but in a different color. Until about a week ago there has been very little junk mail. Now, however, I'm seeing a VERY large amt of junk mail and most of it is NOT in the separate color, so when I see it, I'm having to mark it as junk mail. Is there a reason for this, and is there anything I can do about this change I'm seeing?
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Louise, if this is the same kind of junk mail coming from the same organization, you have to look at the address very closely as junk mail is mostly determined by the address. If one digit is changed it is a whole new address and would not be picked up by the junk filter until you told it to. It is very difficult to get all permutations of an address in one junk filter unless you knew what they are. You could try writing your own filter, but even here you may not quite catch all variations to consider it as junk mail. You do have the ability to edit your filter to include other variations.

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Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:28 am (PST) . Posted by:

"HAL9000" jrswebhome

Have you either replied or written to a website you have never visited within the past couple of weeks? Perhaps they sold your address to spammers or they are spammers themselves. You are no different than anyone else using the web. You must constantly manually train your mail program to recognize spam. Using Yahoo Mail I select the spammed email and click "SPAM". Hereafter, that address goes to my spam folder.

But sometimes it doesn't, or I receive new spam, so guarding against spam is a constant job if I use the web. jr

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Louise Stewart <veggie236@...> wrote:
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Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:39 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Cherie Beauton" apple_mac_icat

Saw the conversation, and have to say I've been flooded with junk mail lately. Taking the pro-active approach, I've been either unsubscribing, or sending them polite, if curt emails reminding them of the electronic junk mail laws.

Selling emails is a big business, as we all know, so there we have to live with part of it. We do have tools to fight the serial spammers, may they rest in digital server underworlds.

Cherie

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Forrest Leedy <f.leedy@comcast.net> wrote:

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Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:58 am (PST) . Posted by:

"JoAnn Gates"

First, Dump your Trash often, and Dump your Junk Mail often. In Mail, click on Window, then on Previous Recipients, and Delete any that don't belong there. Anytime you open an email from anyone, it goes into your system. If you open it to Unsubscribe, it's still there.

Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:13 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> Saw the conversation, and have to say I've been flooded with junk mail lately. Taking the pro-active approach, I've been either unsubscribing, or sending them polite, if curt emails reminding them of the electronic junk mail laws.

The latter choice certifies to the spammer that you are a live email address and therefore worth spamming.

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Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:31 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog

A local Mac friend sent me this, which seems helpful: http://www.macworld.com/article/1155157/mail_junk_mail_settings.html

On Dec 30, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Cherie Beauton wrote:

> Saw the conversation, and have to say I've been flooded with junk mail lately. Taking the pro-active approach, I've been either unsubscribing, or sending them polite, if curt emails reminding them of the electronic junk mail laws.
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Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:32 am (PST) . Posted by:

"HAL9000" jrswebhome

I agree w Jim, you are now a live target having responded in any way.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Beauton <apple_mac_icat@...> wrote:
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> Saw the conversation, and have to say I've been flooded with junk mail lately. Taking the pro-active approach, I've been either unsubscribing, or sending them polite, if curt emails reminding them of the electronic junk mail laws.
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Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:41 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Cherie Beauton" apple_mac_icat

I usually get emails falling all over themselves asking me not to report them, Jim.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com> wrote:

>> Saw the conversation, and have to say I've been flooded with junk mail lately. Taking the pro-active approach, I've been either unsubscribing, or sending them polite, if curt emails reminding them of the electronic junk mail laws.
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Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:41 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"James Robertson" jamesrob328i


On Dec 30, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Cherie Beauton <apple_mac_icat@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I usually get emails falling all over themselves asking me not to report them, Jim.

That's because what most people call "spam" includes two very different types of messages.

Many come from legitimate businesses who choose the internet as a cheap way to market whatever they sell. Those are fairly obvious, in most cases, and those companies are the ones who really WILL take you of their distribution lists if you threaten them in the proper fashion.

The real problem is the malware spam. Sending an indignant (or courteous) "take me off your list" reply simply tells those crooks that they've reached a live target worth exploiting.

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Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:25 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

I beg to differ. Both choices, unsubscribing and replying validate the e-ddress if it is from a un-reputable or unknown source. Unsubscribe links in spam go back to the spammer.

Only unsubscribe or reply if it is __definitely__ from a known source that you have dealt with before. If it is truly from a company that you have dealt with before, not a spoof, then it is unsolicited commercial email, UCE, and they will normally be glad not to annoy a customer and remove you.

And Louise, spam comes in waves, and I whole-heartedly agree with the comment that you continually have to train your email and spam programs to catch the junk. The spammers keep coming up with new dirty tricks. If you have an email account, they you WILL get junk email, spam and UCE. How much you see depends.

Brent

On Dec 30, 2012, at 10:12 AM, someone wrote:

> Saw the conversation, and have to say I've been flooded with junk mail lately. Taking the pro-active approach, I've been either unsubscribing, or sending them polite, if curt emails reminding them of the electronic junk mail laws.

The latter choice certifies to the spammer that you are a live email address and therefore worth spamming.

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Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:38 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Cherie Beauton" apple_mac_icat

Both have worked for me. I don't know what parts if the web you are visiting to get caught up in that much spam. Jesus! I'm sorry I started this group!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2012, at 6:25 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> I beg to differ. Both choices, unsubscribing and replying validate the e-ddress if it is from a un-reputable or unknown source. Unsubscribe links in spam go back to the spammer.
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Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:48 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"George Katele" gkatele

I have a brand new 2012 iMac running OS X 10.8.2. I purchased a hub that is a USB 3.0 hub, hoping to take advantage of the higher transfer speeds.

I have the following devices plugged into the hub:

� HP Photosmart Printer/Scanner/Fax (a USB 2 device)
� HP 2015 Laserjet (also a USB 2 device)
� Neat Mobile scanner (USB 2)

When I plug in a portable hard drive (bus powered 2.5 inch drive) that is in a USB 2.0 case, the drive mounts on my desktop as it should.

When I plug in a portable hard drive that is in a USB 3 case, it fails to mount.

When I plug a hard drive that is USB 3 into the back of the Mac, it shows up as a USB 3 drive.

I have an external USB 2.0 disk burner (also firewire) that doesn't work if plugged into the hub, but firewire works fine.

Is this happening because I have USB 2.0 devices plugged into the hub? What would be a good solution, two hubs (one 2.0 and one 3.0) plugged into the back of my iMac?

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Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:04 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"John Engberg" mrbyte


On Dec 30, 2012, at 6:48 PM, George Katele <subscribe@katele.com> wrote:

> I have a brand new 2012 iMac running OS X 10.8.2. I purchased a hub that is a USB 3.0 hub, hoping to take advantage of the higher transfer speeds.
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> � HP 2015 Laserjet (also a USB 2 device)
> � Neat Mobile scanner (USB 2)
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> When I plug in a portable hard drive (bus powered 2.5 inch drive) that is in a USB 2.0 case, the drive mounts on my desktop as it should.

Where did you plug it in?
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> When I plug in a portable hard drive that is in a USB 3 case, it fails to mount

Where are you plugging it in? The Keyboard, or the hub? Is the hub externally powered? The device probably requires more power. That's why it shows up when you plug it in to the back of the machine.
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Needs more power. You plug it into the Firewire port on the Mac, right?
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> Is this happening because I have USB 2.0 devices plugged into the hub? What would be a good solution, two hubs (one 2.0 and one 3.0) plugged into the back of my iMac?

You need a powered hub.

John Engberg

Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:57 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

On 30 December 2012 15:07, James Robertson <jamesrob@sonic.net> wrote:

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> BINGO!
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> THAT's where I've seen this before. Of course, as others have stated, it's
> the PHONE where the typeface natively is quite small. It sure would be nice
> to have something like this for phone numbers system wide in iOS! (The
> obvious retort is that there's no need, because all you have to do with a
> phone number is select it; the obvious retort to THAT I've already made:
> there are still many places where ATT doesn't grace us with decent cell
> coverage, so it's a daily occurrence that I need to read a phone number on
> my iPhone to dial it on a landline phone)
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> I upped the default font size on my iPhone by the smallest increment
> permitted by the Accessibility section, and it didn't seem to help, so I
> selected a disgustingly LARGE size. That enlarged the names in the list in
> Contacts, but had no effect whatsoever on the information recorded in the
> app's data fields. I would suggest that's a solution for the wrong problem:
> most of us with aging eyes have no trouble interpolating "cl" in the
> context of a word to parse it as c-l-i-p, rather than d-i-p, but strings of
> digits with no contextual relationship are what give us trouble in daily
> life.
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> Is there a way to suggest an iOS enhancement to someone at Apple?
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Have you tried the 3-finger double-tap to see if it suffices?

Otto

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