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Mon May 27, 2013 8:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jurgen Richter" epsongroups
Jom wrote that FileMaker is a relational database... while true it is
not necessarily exclusively so. You can create lots of "flat files" that
are not related to others and they will run just fine. It's the formulae
setups that are going to be the bear in moving the data over to
something useful. I'm also sure that you can export out in CSV, or
tab-separated values, or text only; though not that much use. Now Bento
is for sure a good start, and if I recall correctly, you can move up to
FileMaker Pro and open Bento files too. Bottom line after all the
suggestions posted is to download the usually-free demo/trials and go
with what works for you and fits your budget. No harm in trying, and you
won't know otherwise....
not necessarily exclusively so. You can create lots of "flat files" that
are not related to others and they will run just fine. It's the formulae
setups that are going to be the bear in moving the data over to
something useful. I'm also sure that you can export out in CSV, or
tab-separated values, or text only; though not that much use. Now Bento
is for sure a good start, and if I recall correctly, you can move up to
FileMaker Pro and open Bento files too. Bottom line after all the
suggestions posted is to download the usually-free demo/trials and go
with what works for you and fits your budget. No harm in trying, and you
won't know otherwise...
Mon May 27, 2013 9:23 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll
The excellent page:
http://magicpubs.com/mac/macosx.html
has a few database choices.
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Jurgen Richter <yahoo-1@sympatico.ca >wrote:
> **
>
>
> Jom wrote that FileMaker is a relational database... while true it is
> not necessarily exclusively so. You can create lots of "flat files" that
> are not related to others and they will run just fine. It's the formulae
> setups that are going to be the bear in moving the data over to
> something useful. I'm also sure that you can export out in CSV, or
> tab-separated values, or text only; though not that much use. Now Bento
> is for sure a good start, and if I recall correctly, you can move up to
> FileMaker Pro and open Bento files too. Bottom line after all the
> suggestions posted is to download the usually-free demo/trials and go
> with what works for you and fits your budget. No harm in trying, and you
> won't know otherwise....
>
>
>
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http://magicpubs.
has a few database choices.
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Jurgen Richter <yahoo-1@sympatico.
> **
>
>
> Jom wrote that FileMaker is a relational database... while true it is
> not necessarily exclusively so. You can create lots of "flat files" that
> are not related to others and they will run just fine. It's the formulae
> setups that are going to be the bear in moving the data over to
> something useful. I'm also sure that you can export out in CSV, or
> tab-separated values, or text only; though not that much use. Now Bento
> is for sure a good start, and if I recall correctly, you can move up to
> FileMaker Pro and open Bento files too. Bottom line after all the
> suggestions posted is to download the usually-free demo/trials and go
> with what works for you and fits your budget. No harm in trying, and you
> won't know otherwise...
>
>
>
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Mon May 27, 2013 10:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Richard Meyeroff" rellmeyer
Bob
Their are a # of data bases you could use.
the best are OPenbase, FrontBase, and ProgressSQL
>
>
>I'm a relatively new Apple user, converted from (ugh) Windows, after
>I finally wised up.
>
>There is one program I have used in Windows, however, that I cannot
>easily give up. It is a database program called Foxbase. Foxbase is
>a great database program for many uses. For example, I use it to
>manage a bog Little League program (well over a thousand players).
>Fox was developed by an independent programmer many years ago, but
>unfortunately purchased by Microsoft, and effectively buried. Though
>it still runs fine in Windows. I'd like to give it up, and go to
>something just as elegant in the land of OS-X. Right now I run Fox
>under VMware on my Apple, but that is a bit awkward, and has some
>practical problems.
>
>Does anyone know a good OS-X substitute for Foxbase?
>Thanks for the advice.
>
>Baseball Bob
>
--
Have a Happy & Enjoy
Richard Meyeroff
tel: 410-258-7503
http://www.meyeroff-c-c.com
rem@meyeroff-c-c.com
Their are a # of data bases you could use.
the best are OPenbase, FrontBase, and ProgressSQL
>
>
>I'm a relatively new Apple user, converted from (ugh) Windows, after
>I finally wised up.
>
>There is one program I have used in Windows, however, that I cannot
>easily give up. It is a database program called Foxbase. Foxbase is
>a great database program for many uses. For example, I use it to
>manage a bog Little League program (well over a thousand players).
>Fox was developed by an independent programmer many years ago, but
>unfortunately purchased by Microsoft, and effectively buried. Though
>it still runs fine in Windows. I'd like to give it up, and go to
>something just as elegant in the land of OS-X. Right now I run Fox
>under VMware on my Apple, but that is a bit awkward, and has some
>practical problems.
>
>Does anyone know a good OS-X substitute for Foxbase?
>Thanks for the advice.
>
>Baseball Bob
>
--
Have a Happy & Enjoy
Richard Meyeroff
tel: 410-258-7503
http://www.meyeroff
rem@meyeroff-
Mon May 27, 2013 10:39 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On May 27, 2013, at 8:13 AM, RLN37 wrote:
> Does anyone know a good OS-X substitute for Foxbase?
If you can't find a Mac substitute for your Windows database program, you aren't trying. There are more database choices for the Mac than for any other personal computer ever.
On the high end there is:
FileMaker Pro
http://www.filemake
Panorama
http://www.provue.
4th Dimension
http://www.4d.
Omnis Studio
http://www.tigerlog
Helix
http://www.qsatoolw
On the low end there is:
NeoOffice (free/$10)
http://www.neooffic
LibreOffice (free)
http://www.libreoff
Apache OpenOffice (free)
http://www.openoffi
(Office suites with included databases.)
Bento $49
http://www.filemake
EagleData (free)
http://www.eaglesof
FrontBase (free if you forego support)
http://www.frontbas
Panorama Sheets ($40)
http://provue.
iList Data ($70)
http://www.lakewood
iDatabase ($20)
http://www.apimac.
iData ($70)
http://www.idata3.
Valentina ($50)
http://www.paradigm
http://www.valentin
SuperCard $179
http://www.supercar
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
____________
Tue May 28, 2013 5:41 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
Simple, cheap, and good flat-file databases are indeed difficult to find. In theory, it's the most basic of computer apps. In practice, it is difficult to create a database application that is easy for end users and powerful enough to accommodate a wide variety of needs, and the market is very limited.
One important consideration is whether you need a database construction app, or just an end-user database. For instance, you don't need Filemaker to keep an address book. You can certainly build a very powerful contack database in Filemaker, but there are many, many dedicated apps for this that make the process much easier. And there are purpose-built database apps for many other needs like collection inventories, recipes, passwords, etc... that are much easier than building from scratch.
Filemaker is the gold standard on Mac. It's excellent and expensive. If you really need power and can't afford Filemaker, go straight to Open Office Base (in any of it's forms: NeoOffice, Apache Open Office, and Libre Office). However, if you need both power and ease of use, Filemaker is probably your only good choice.
Depending on what you actually need, review the other options on Randy's list. Personally I was not impressed by any of these when considering basic price-performance, but everyone's needs are specific. Some of these may be perfect for you.
Cheers,
tod
On May 27, 2013, at 11:13 AM, RLN37 wrote:
> I'm a relatively new Apple user, converted from (ugh) Windows, after I finally wised up.
>
> There is one program I have used in Windows, however, that I cannot easily give up. It is a database program called Foxbase. Foxbase is a great database program for many uses. For example, I use it to manage a bog Little League program (well over a thousand players). Fox was developed by an independent programmer many years ago, but unfortunately purchased by Microsoft, and effectively buried. Though it still runs fine in Windows. I'd like to give it up, and go to something just as elegant in the land of OS-X. Right now I run Fox under VMware on my Apple, but that is a bit awkward, and has some practical problems.
>
> Does anyone know a good OS-X substitute for Foxbase?
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> Baseball Bob
>
>
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One important consideration is whether you need a database construction app, or just an end-user database. For instance, you don't need Filemaker to keep an address book. You can certainly build a very powerful contack database in Filemaker, but there are many, many dedicated apps for this that make the process much easier. And there are purpose-built database apps for many other needs like collection inventories, recipes, passwords, etc... that are much easier than building from scratch.
Filemaker is the gold standard on Mac. It's excellent and expensive. If you really need power and can't afford Filemaker, go straight to Open Office Base (in any of it's forms: NeoOffice, Apache Open Office, and Libre Office). However, if you need both power and ease of use, Filemaker is probably your only good choice.
Depending on what you actually need, review the other options on Randy's list. Personally I was not impressed by any of these when considering basic price-performance, but everyone'
Cheers,
tod
On May 27, 2013, at 11:13 AM, RLN37 wrote:
> I'm a relatively new Apple user, converted from (ugh) Windows, after I finally wised up.
>
> There is one program I have used in Windows, however, that I cannot easily give up. It is a database program called Foxbase. Foxbase is a great database program for many uses. For example, I use it to manage a bog Little League program (well over a thousand players). Fox was developed by an independent programmer many years ago, but unfortunately purchased by Microsoft, and effectively buried. Though it still runs fine in Windows. I'd like to give it up, and go to something just as elegant in the land of OS-X. Right now I run Fox under VMware on my Apple, but that is a bit awkward, and has some practical problems.
>
> Does anyone know a good OS-X substitute for Foxbase?
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> Baseball Bob
>
>
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Tue May 28, 2013 6:16 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> Jim wrote that FileMaker is a relational database... while true it is not necessarily exclusively so. You can create lots of "flat files" that are not related to others and they will run just fine. It's the formulae setups that are going to be the bear in moving the data over to something useful. I'm also sure that you can export out in CSV, or tab-separated values, or text only; though not that much use. Now Bento is for sure a good start, and if I recall correctly, you can move up to
> FileMaker Pro and open Bento files too.
Of course a relational database program like Filemaker Pro is going to be capable of creating and managing flat-file DB's.
My point is that the company also markets software that may duplicate FoxBase's capabilities on a Mac for a LOT less than the cost of FMPro....
> FileMaker Pro and open Bento files too.
Of course a relational database program like Filemaker Pro is going to be capable of creating and managing flat-file DB's.
My point is that the company also markets software that may duplicate FoxBase'
Tue May 28, 2013 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy Baseball Bob!
Randy S posted a good list of Macintosh database programs.
I'd like to put in a plug for FileMaker Pro.
FileMaker, the company, is owned by Apple. The FileMaker database of
today is a descendant for the world's first GUI database program which
originally ran on early Macintosh computers starting around 1985.
FileMaker Pro is available for Macintosh and Windows and is
cross-platform capable.
Oddly, FileMaker actually originated as a DOS based program but was
first developed as a GUI based database for Macintosh.
FileMaker has a high end flavor and a more basic flavor name Bento.
FileMaker also has a FileMaker Server separate application intended for
multiple users to be able to access simultaneously the same database.
Some years ago FileMaker Pro made a successful conversion from a flat
file database to a relational database.
I use FileMaker Pro for my Macintosh consulting business and did
everything from time and job tracking, invoice creation, taxable and
non taxable items, names, contacts, addresses, directions to client
site, graphics and maps, and even for invoices to be sent and reminder
letters.
I know of a number of retail businesses in my area of Northern Virginia
where FileMaker Pro on Macintosh is used as the point of sale an cash
register and inventory control system.
FileMaker Pro is very good at letting an experienced user make both
small and major changes to a database often in a matter of seconds.
FileMaker Pro can be used to create high quality pages that print out
with quality art and high quality text and these can look like they
come from a good offset press.
Having used both dBase 3 and dBase 3 Plus to try to work with
relational databases and also having struggled with the relational
database that used to be part of the WordPerfect suite of DOS based
applications I can very honestly report that FileMaker was a hurricane
of fresh air and that I could create and make big changes in FileMaker
while people were still trying to just figure out how to change a word
in dBase so it would print in bold.
Denver Dan
p.s. Colorado Rockies!
On Mon, 27 May 2013 15:13:00 +0000, RLN37 wrote:
> I'm a relatively new Apple user, converted from (ugh) Windows, after
> I finally wised up.
>
> There is one program I have used in Windows, however, that I cannot
> easily give up. It is a database program called Foxbase. Foxbase is
> a great database program for many uses. For example, I use it to
> manage a bog Little League program (well over a thousand players).
> Fox was developed by an independent programmer many years ago, but
> unfortunately purchased by Microsoft, and effectively buried. Though
> it still runs fine in Windows. I'd like to give it up, and go to
> something just as elegant in the land of OS-X. Right now I run Fox
> under VMware on my Apple, but that is a bit awkward, and has some
> practical problems.
>
> Does anyone know a good OS-X substitute for Foxbase?
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> Baseball Bob
Randy S posted a good list of Macintosh database programs.
I'd like to put in a plug for FileMaker Pro.
FileMaker, the company, is owned by Apple. The FileMaker database of
today is a descendant for the world's first GUI database program which
originally ran on early Macintosh computers starting around 1985.
FileMaker Pro is available for Macintosh and Windows and is
cross-platform capable.
Oddly, FileMaker actually originated as a DOS based program but was
first developed as a GUI based database for Macintosh.
FileMaker has a high end flavor and a more basic flavor name Bento.
FileMaker also has a FileMaker Server separate application intended for
multiple users to be able to access simultaneously the same database.
Some years ago FileMaker Pro made a successful conversion from a flat
file database to a relational database.
I use FileMaker Pro for my Macintosh consulting business and did
everything from time and job tracking, invoice creation, taxable and
non taxable items, names, contacts, addresses, directions to client
site, graphics and maps, and even for invoices to be sent and reminder
letters.
I know of a number of retail businesses in my area of Northern Virginia
where FileMaker Pro on Macintosh is used as the point of sale an cash
register and inventory control system.
FileMaker Pro is very good at letting an experienced user make both
small and major changes to a database often in a matter of seconds.
FileMaker Pro can be used to create high quality pages that print out
with quality art and high quality text and these can look like they
come from a good offset press.
Having used both dBase 3 and dBase 3 Plus to try to work with
relational databases and also having struggled with the relational
database that used to be part of the WordPerfect suite of DOS based
applications I can very honestly report that FileMaker was a hurricane
of fresh air and that I could create and make big changes in FileMaker
while people were still trying to just figure out how to change a word
in dBase so it would print in bold.
Denver Dan
p.s. Colorado Rockies!
On Mon, 27 May 2013 15:13:00 +0000, RLN37 wrote:
> I'm a relatively new Apple user, converted from (ugh) Windows, after
> I finally wised up.
>
> There is one program I have used in Windows, however, that I cannot
> easily give up. It is a database program called Foxbase. Foxbase is
> a great database program for many uses. For example, I use it to
> manage a bog Little League program (well over a thousand players).
> Fox was developed by an independent programmer many years ago, but
> unfortunately purchased by Microsoft, and effectively buried. Though
> it still runs fine in Windows. I'd like to give it up, and go to
> something just as elegant in the land of OS-X. Right now I run Fox
> under VMware on my Apple, but that is a bit awkward, and has some
> practical problems.
>
> Does anyone know a good OS-X substitute for Foxbase?
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> Baseball Bob
Mon May 27, 2013 11:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
I am installing an old version of VMW on an old version of OS X (Snow Leopard) to run an old version of Windows software.
I had this combination running years ago and this re-install was going fine until it got to the point Windows starts up and recognizes "new hardware" (the virtual hardware VMW installs, I presume).
WIndows desktop is in the background (with all the common application alias icons there); The "Found New Hardware Wizard" window is open, waiting for me to click the "Next" button; a smaller window titled "Found New Hardware" (which I presume is owned by the Found New Hardware program) is open and has this displayed in it: "Universal Serial Bus (USB) Controller -- Installing...". These have been sitting, unchanged, for more than an hour.
I've stopped the Virtual Machine and restarted it; stopped VMW and restarted it. I reinstalled VMW. I get this far and it stops every time.
I must have not removed everything last install attempt and it's not a "fresh" reinstall. (I relied on App Cleaner to remove all the files associated with VMW and put these in the trash.)
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Dave
VMWare 3.1.3
Windows 2000
OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
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I had this combination running years ago and this re-install was going fine until it got to the point Windows starts up and recognizes "new hardware" (the virtual hardware VMW installs, I presume).
WIndows desktop is in the background (with all the common application alias icons there); The "Found New Hardware Wizard" window is open, waiting for me to click the "Next" button; a smaller window titled "Found New Hardware" (which I presume is owned by the Found New Hardware program) is open and has this displayed in it: "Universal Serial Bus (USB) Controller -- Installing..
I've stopped the Virtual Machine and restarted it; stopped VMW and restarted it. I reinstalled VMW. I get this far and it stops every time.
I must have not removed everything last install attempt and it's not a "fresh" reinstall. (I relied on App Cleaner to remove all the files associated with VMW and put these in the trash.)
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Dave
VMWare 3.1.3
Windows 2000
OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
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Tue May 28, 2013 1:40 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Michael Moloney" moloney_mj
Hello
Does anyone know if Apple 'maybe' likely to produce a MacBook Air in retina display this year?
Regards,
Michael.
Does anyone know if Apple 'maybe&#
Regards,
Michael.
Tue May 28, 2013 6:05 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Pat Taylor" pat412255
I'm hoping that we'll get some info on new MBAs at the WWDC that begins on June 10.
On May 28, 2013, at 2:40 AM, Michael Moloney <moloney.icloud@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hello
>
> Does anyone know if Apple 'maybe' likely to produce a MacBook Air in retina display this year?
>
> Regards,
> Michael.
>
>
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On May 28, 2013, at 2:40 AM, Michael Moloney <moloney.icloud@
> Hello
>
> Does anyone know if Apple 'maybe&#
>
> Regards,
> Michael.
>
>
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Tue May 28, 2013 6:19 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> Does anyone know if Apple 'maybe' likely to produce a MacBook Air in retina display this year?
I can give you a definite "maybe"...
I can give you a definite "maybe"
Tue May 28, 2013 1:43 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Michael Moloney" moloney_mj
Hi Denver Dan
Thanks for your e-mail. The removable keyboard on the Kensington device is quite a good idea.
Regards,
Michael.
On 27/05/2013, at 4:41 AM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Can't testify about the Logitech brand device but there is a Kensington
> KeyFolio™ Pro 2 combo stand, keyboard, and iPad holder in my house
> (I'm not the user).
>
> I've tried it a couple of times and I like the feel of the Kensington
> keyboard.
>
> The user took it to a conference and took notes on it with the thing
> sitting on his lap for several hours and liked how that worked very
> much.
>
> He tried a Microsoft Surface tablet and said it was nearly impossible
> to hold on a lap and type.
>
> <http://www.kensington.com/kensington/us/us/p/1615/K39755US/keyfolio%E2%84%A2-pro-2-removable-keyboard-case-stand-for-ipad%C2%AE-mini.aspx >
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 20:20:10 +1000, Michael Moloney wrote:
> > Has anyone tried the Logitech Folio with keyboard for iPad and iPad
> > Mini yet?
> >
> > http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/keyboard-folio?crid=1240
> >
> > What are your thoughts if you have?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Michael.
> >
>
>
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Thanks for your e-mail. The removable keyboard on the Kensington device is quite a good idea.
Regards,
Michael.
On 27/05/2013, at 4:41 AM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> Howdy.
>
> Can't testify about the Logitech brand device but there is a Kensington
> KeyFolio™ Pro 2 combo stand, keyboard, and iPad holder in my house
> (I'm not the user).
>
> I've tried it a couple of times and I like the feel of the Kensington
> keyboard.
>
> The user took it to a conference and took notes on it with the thing
> sitting on his lap for several hours and liked how that worked very
> much.
>
> He tried a Microsoft Surface tablet and said it was nearly impossible
> to hold on a lap and type.
>
> <http://www.kensingt
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 20:20:10 +1000, Michael Moloney wrote:
> > Has anyone tried the Logitech Folio with keyboard for iPad and iPad
> > Mini yet?
> >
> > http://www.logitech
> >
> > What are your thoughts if you have?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Michael.
> >
>
>
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Tue May 28, 2013 1:57 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Looks like it needs some code to allow interrupts, but I don't know how you
do that in AppleScript.
Otto
On 28 May 2013 00:44, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> I was trying to save it to my Applications/Utilities folder.
>
> I just save it to the Desktop and then moved it to Utilities.
>
> It's now running as a Login Item and shows up in Activity Monitor.
>
> However, when I did a shut down a few minutes ago the script didn't
> want to Quit. I couldn't quit it from the Scripts Poll menu and had
> to use Force Quit. The shut down wouldn't proceed unless this script
> was quit.
>
> Back to the drawing board! :-)
>
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do that in AppleScript.
Otto
On 28 May 2013 00:44, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> Howdy.
>
> I was trying to save it to my Applications/
>
> I just save it to the Desktop and then moved it to Utilities.
>
> It's now running as a Login Item and shows up in Activity Monitor.
>
> However, when I did a shut down a few minutes ago the script didn't
> want to Quit. I couldn't quit it from the Scripts Poll menu and had
> to use Force Quit. The shut down wouldn't proceed unless this script
> was quit.
>
> Back to the drawing board! :-)
>
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