5/13/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 8897

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1a.

Re: Hard Drive Failed - Low Level Format Question

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sat May 12, 2012 8:01 am (PDT)



Howdy.

Thanks for the confirmation of this low level format business.

I wonder, however, if there might be an easier to use X11 low level
format app out there somewhere?

I've only used X11 applications two or three times so don't have ready
knowledge about where to search for them.

Denver Dan

On Fri, 11 May 2012 14:29:17 -0700, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On May 11, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to do a Low Level Reformat of this problem HD?
>>
>> This used to be possible in earlier versions of Mac OS X and in Mac OS
>> 9 and earlier.
>>
>> I've been checking online and seeing statements that it's not possible
>> to do a low level format of a SATA HD.
>>
>> Is there software for Mac OS X for doing a low level format? I've
>> searched and can't find any software for this.
>
> What you have read is correct. There is no longer any software
> available to do a low level format for Mac hard drives.
>
> If you really wanted to do a low level format, you could download
> Unix software to do so, though.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer

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1b.

Re: Hard Drive Failed - Low Level Format Question

Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk   bobstermcbob

Sat May 12, 2012 11:27 am (PDT)



Hi,

I suspect you don't really want to do a low level format. Most likely you would anyway find it impossible to do since the disk in question is I guess far to new. Take a look at something like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting

If you still want to try reinitialising your disk, you should find the command line utility 'dd' available on your system (it is here, OSX 10.7)…

Chris

On 12 May 2012, at 4:01pm, Denver Dan wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> Thanks for the confirmation of this low level format business.
>
> I wonder, however, if there might be an easier to use X11 low level
> format app out there somewhere?
>
> I've only used X11 applications two or three times so don't have ready
> knowledge about where to search for them.
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
> On Fri, 11 May 2012 14:29:17 -0700, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>>
>> On May 11, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>>
>>> Is it possible to do a Low Level Reformat of this problem HD?
>>>
>>> This used to be possible in earlier versions of Mac OS X and in Mac OS
>>> 9 and earlier.
>>>
>>> I've been checking online and seeing statements that it's not possible
>>> to do a low level format of a SATA HD.
>>>
>>> Is there software for Mac OS X for doing a low level format? I've
>>> searched and can't find any software for this.
>>
>> What you have read is correct. There is no longer any software
>> available to do a low level format for Mac hard drives.
>>
>> If you really wanted to do a low level format, you could download
>> Unix software to do so, though.
>>
>> ___________________________________________
>> Randy B. Singer
>
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1c.

Re: Hard Drive Failed - Low Level Format Question

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sat May 12, 2012 11:37 am (PDT)



Howdy.

I've already replaced the problem HD but was curious about trying to
use Disk Utility to write zeros to it as a possible way to correct the
problem.

Didn't work. Disk Utility froze. This HD is just done for.

In fact I just took it back to the concrete floored stored room and
used a 16 lb. maul to reduce it to dented and bent mess. Sort of
satisfying!

This is only the 2nd hard drive in decades I've ever had fail so I'm
probably lucky.

Thanks for the response!

Denver Dan

On Sat, 12 May 2012 19:27:11 +0100, Chris Jones wrote:
> I suspect you don't really want to do a low level format. Most likely
> you would anyway find it impossible to do since the disk in question
> is I guess far to new. Take a look at something like
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting
>
> If you still want to try reinitialising your disk, you should find
> the command line utility 'dd' available on your system (it is here,
> OSX 10.7)
>
>
> Chris

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2.1.

Re: Best solution to manage contacts?

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Sat May 12, 2012 9:47 am (PDT)



Please do not simply change the Subject Line. As has been explained here
many times, and is included in the FAQ sent to all new members, this does
not create a new thread.

You should use the Compose or New Message option in your email client or
webmail. This creates a new thread so messages in that thread are kept
separate from other threads.

Otto

On 12 May 2012 13:06, titnaw <titnaw@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am not Michael (LOL)
> But I think I must have started this confusion and I am sorry.
> I jumped in to find and easy Spreadsheet app. I appreciate everyone's help
> and I will stay with Numbers which I purchased and just have to spend time
> to learn it.
> I do not have enough contacts to demand a list to save them in (LOL
> Sorry for the confusion-
> I will change the subject line the next time
> I do appreciate everyone's support and help on this list. Being a long
> time Senior Citizen I often need help.
>

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2.2.

Re: Best solution to manage contacts?

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Sat May 12, 2012 9:52 am (PDT)



Michel,

You said that Address Book mixes up professional and personal contacts.
Surely this is not the case if you put them into Groups?

Of course, Address Book is not a full contact manager, but if all you want
is to store contacts somewhere, which can easily be synced too, it should
be enough.

Otto

On 12 May 2012 13:42, Michel Munger <michel@macsupportcentral.com> wrote:

> Oh no, I'm not saying it should automatically sync. I just described
> what I have been doing, and the shortcomings.
>
> Although potential uses on iDevices would be a bonus, simply having the
> right solution to store contacts is the priority.
>

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2.3.

Re: Best solution to manage contacts?

Posted by: "Hugh Crymble" hcrymble@bmts.com   hcrymble

Sat May 12, 2012 11:18 am (PDT)



http://solutions.filemaker.com/database-templates/detail.jsp?serial=2551052

This appears to be a Bento contact manager.

hugh

On SaturdayMay 12, 2012, at SatMay/12/12 3:59 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:

>
> On May 11, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Michel Munger wrote:
>
> > I have to say that I am surprised by the answers. None are about
> > contact
> > managers, unless I missed something.
>
> I can suggest several very nice contact managers. However, your
> original request stated that you wanted to be able to sync them
> between all of your iDevices. That is rather limiting.
>
> See:
> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/sync-contacts-computer-ipad-iphone/
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>

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2.4.

Re: Best solution to manage contacts?

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Sat May 12, 2012 3:50 pm (PDT)




On May 12, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Michel Munger wrote:

> Oh no, I'm not saying it should automatically sync. I just described
> what I have been doing, and the shortcomings.
>
> Although potential uses on iDevices would be a bonus, simply having
> the
> right solution to store contacts is the priority.

Contactizer Pro ($120)
http://www.objective-decision.com/en/products/contactizerpro/
syncs with iDevices

CoBook (free)
http://www.cobookapp.com/
also synchronizes with iDevices.

Contact Book ($5)
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/contact-book/id441205331?mt=12
http://ilifetouch.com/ContactBook

Private Contact ($7)
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/private-contact/id415621284?mt=12
http://www.pomola.com/products_privatecontact/

InTouch With $60
http://www.intouchwith.com/pages/intouchwith.html

SOHO Organizer ($100)
http://www.chronosnet.com/Products/sohoorganizer.html

InTouch With ($60)
Prairie Group
http://www.intouchwith.com/pages/intouchwith.html

SBook5 (free)
http://www.sbook5.com/

I also can provide you with a list of customer relationship
management applications (CRM) if you want something that sophisticated.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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2.5.

Re: Best solution to manage contacts?

Posted by: "titnaw" titnaw@gmail.com   titnaw

Sat May 12, 2012 4:20 pm (PDT)



Thank you Otto
I now understand how to do this
Thank you for your help
Titnaw

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
>
> Please do not simply change the Subject Line. As has been explained here
> many times, and is included in the FAQ sent to all new members, this does
> not create a new thread.
>
> You should use the Compose or New Message option in your email client or
> webmail. This creates a new thread so messages in that thread are kept
> separate from other threads.
>
> Otto
>
> On 12 May 2012 13:06, titnaw <titnaw@...> wrote:
>
> > I am not Michael (LOL)
> > But I think I must have started this confusion and I am sorry.
> > I jumped in to find and easy Spreadsheet app. I appreciate everyone's help
> > and I will stay with Numbers which I purchased and just have to spend time
> > to learn it.
> > I do not have enough contacts to demand a list to save them in (LOL
> > Sorry for the confusion-
> > I will change the subject line the next time
> > I do appreciate everyone's support and help on this list. Being a long
> > time Senior Citizen I often need help.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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2.6.

Re: Best solution to manage contacts?

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Sun May 13, 2012 2:14 am (PDT)




On May 12, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> Please do not simply change the Subject Line. As has been explained
> here
> many times, and is included in the FAQ sent to all new members,
> this does
> not create a new thread.
>
> You should use the Compose or New Message option in your email
> client or
> webmail. This creates a new thread so messages in that thread are kept
> separate from other threads.

Most users use a message from an existing thread to start a new
thread because it is quick and easy.

Here's an easy way to start a new thread (in Mail) by using a message
from an existing thread, yet not screw up threading for folks on the
list.

Open a message from the list (it doesn't matter what the subject line
of the thread is.)

Right-click, or Control-click on the "To" line in the e-mail message
(which should be the mailing address for the discussion list.)
A pop-up menu will give you a number of choices. Choose: "New Message."

Choose a new, descriptive subject line.

___________________________________________
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Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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3a.

Persistent 64-Bit Boot Terminal Command

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sat May 12, 2012 11:31 am (PDT)



Howdy.

This is a worthwhile article from Apple's KB on how to use Terminal to
set a "persistent" default for booting into 64-bit kernel boot mode.

This means that after issuing this command in Terminal you won't have
to press the 6 and 4 keys to have Mac boot into 64-bit mode every time
you boot.

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3773>

OS X: Starting up with the 32-bit or 64-bit kernel

Summary

Learn about starting up with the 32-bit or 64-bit kernel.

Products Affected

Desktop Computers, Lion Server, Mac OS X 10.6, Mac OS X Server 10.6, OS
X Lion, Portable Computers

Article: HT3773

Denver Dan

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3b.

Re: Persistent 64-Bit Boot Terminal Command

Posted by: "Harry Flaxman" harry.flaxman@me.com   hflaxman001

Sat May 12, 2012 11:54 am (PDT)



On 5/12/2012 2:31 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> This is a worthwhile article from Apple's KB on how to use Terminal to
> set a "persistent" default for booting into 64-bit kernel boot mode.
>
> This means that after issuing this command in Terminal you won't have
> to press the 6 and 4 keys to have Mac boot into 64-bit mode every time
> you boot.

My understanding was that, by default, Lion boots into 64 bit kernel
mode. I understand wanting to switch to 32 bit mode from time to time
for some, but why issue a persistent command for 64 bit mode when the os
inherently boots 64?

Harry

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3c.

Re: Persistent 64-Bit Boot Terminal Command

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Sat May 12, 2012 1:06 pm (PDT)



Because not everyone is running Lion.

On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:53:54 -0400, Harry Flaxman wrote:
> On 5/12/2012 2:31 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
>> Howdy.
>>
>> This is a worthwhile article from Apple's KB on how to use Terminal to
>> set a "persistent" default for booting into 64-bit kernel boot mode.
>>
>> This means that after issuing this command in Terminal you won't have
>> to press the 6 and 4 keys to have Mac boot into 64-bit mode every time
>> you boot.
>
> My understanding was that, by default, Lion boots into 64 bit kernel
> mode. I understand wanting to switch to 32 bit mode from time to time
> for some, but why issue a persistent command for 64 bit mode when the os
> inherently boots 64?
>
> Harry

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3d.

Re: Persistent 64-Bit Boot Terminal Command

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Sat May 12, 2012 8:04 pm (PDT)



> This is a worthwhile article from Apple's KB on how to use Terminal to set a "persistent" default for booting into 64-bit kernel boot mode.
>
> This means that after issuing this command in Terminal you won't have to press the 6 and 4 keys to have Mac boot into 64-bit mode every time you boot.

I use a 3rd-party Preference Pane called "64 Switcher"

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4a.

Easy way to start a new thread.

Posted by: "Ardell Faul" ardell@icehouse.net   computer_monitor_service_company

Sat May 12, 2012 12:05 pm (PDT)



I have been guilty of hijacking a thread also, due to my
misunderstanding of the hidden information contained in an existing email.

What I do now is open a message from this group, then simply right click
on the group address, macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com. This gives me
a drop down list with one of the options being "Compose Message to". I
select that and a new message box opens up for me to type in my subject
and test easily.

I hope this helps others who don't want to type in the address to start
a new message thread.

--
Ardell Faul
Computer Monitor Service Inc.
Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
10816 E. Mission Ave.,
Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
ardell@icehouse.net
509-891-5188

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4b.

Re: Easy way to start a new thread.

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Sat May 12, 2012 1:41 pm (PDT)



Or easier still, while in your email app, type command + n, and start a new email. start. In the To: field start typing m a c s, and by that time you should be offered to send it to "macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com". Check you are sending it From: the correct email account you want to use. Then just continue from there.

That way you get out of the habit of starting from someone else's thread. Break the bad habit completely, and start a new good one.

KISS, Keep It Simple Sam! Just start a new email with no fancy, dancy tricks or features. Keep it simple.

Brent

On May 12, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Ardell Faul wrote:

I have been guilty of hijacking a thread also, due to my
misunderstanding of the hidden information contained in an existing email.

What I do now is open a message from this group, then simply right click
on the group address, macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com. This gives me
a drop down list with one of the options being "Compose Message to". I
select that and a new message box opens up for me to type in my subject
and test easily.

I hope this helps others who don't want to type in the address to start
a new message thread.

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4c.

Re: Easy way to start a new thread.

Posted by: "OBrien" bco@hiwaay.net   conorboru

Sat May 12, 2012 5:39 pm (PDT)



On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:05:49 -0700, Ardell Faul wrote:
> What I do now is open a message from this group, then simply right click
> on the group address, macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com. This gives me
> a drop down list with one of the options being "Compose Message to". I
> select that and a new message box opens up for me to type in my subject
> and test easily.

I just click on the "to" address in the header of any message preview (not opened). This opens a new message window with the "to" address filled in.


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5a.

Mail program trouble

Posted by: "w5gxl_dean" W5GXL.Dean@gmail.com   w5gxl_dean

Sat May 12, 2012 1:08 pm (PDT)



On my MacBook Air computer my Mail program is not showing me my unread message count. I have 10 mail addresses from GMail accounts.
On my IMac computer it works well and shows the unread message count.
I know it must just be a setting ...But What??
Dean

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5b.

Re: Mail program trouble

Posted by: "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com   randybrucesinger

Sat May 12, 2012 3:53 pm (PDT)




On May 12, 2012, at 1:08 PM, w5gxl_dean wrote:

> On my MacBook Air computer my Mail program is not showing me my
> unread message count. I have 10 mail addresses from GMail accounts.
> On my IMac computer it works well and shows the unread message count.
> I know it must just be a setting ...But What??

Rebuild each of your mailboxes (e.g. Inbox) in turn by clicking once
on each mailbox to choose it and then selecting:
Mailbox menu --> Rebuild
That should fix things.

___________________________________________
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Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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5c.

Re: Mail program trouble

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Sat May 12, 2012 4:34 pm (PDT)



Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On May 12, 2012, at 1:08 PM, w5gxl_dean wrote:
>
> > On my MacBook Air computer my Mail program is not showing me my
> > unread message count. I have 10 mail addresses from GMail accounts.
> > On my IMac computer it works well and shows the unread message count.
> > I know it must just be a setting ...But What??

> Rebuild each of your mailboxes (e.g. Inbox) in turn by clicking once
> on each mailbox to choose it and then selecting:
> Mailbox menu --> Rebuild
> That should fix things.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer

I have no Mailbox menu to choose from. Certainly nothing that says
"Rebulld."

Must you be using Apple's Mail app to get that? Or what?

keith

MacOS 10.6.8, SeaMonkey 2.9.1.

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5d.

Re: Mail program trouble

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Sat May 12, 2012 5:12 pm (PDT)



On 13 May 2012 00:34, Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
> I have no Mailbox menu to choose from. Certainly nothing that says
> "Rebulld."
>
> Must you be using Apple's Mail app to get that? Or what?
>

You said you are using Mail on the MB Air. Is that correct?

Otto

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Re: Mail program trouble

Posted by: "Keith Whaley" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Sat May 12, 2012 5:23 pm (PDT)



Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> On 13 May 2012 00:34, Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com
> <mailto:keith_w%40dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have no Mailbox menu to choose from. Certainly nothing that says
> > "Rebuild."
> >
> > Must you be using Apple's Mail app to get that? Or what?

> You said you are using Mail on the MB Air. Is that correct?
>
> Otto

Ooops. Incorrect. I was NOT the OP. perhaps I answered out of turn? Sorry.

No, I am on iMac, OS 10.6.8, SeaMonkey 2.9.1

keith

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Re: Mail program trouble

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Sun May 13, 2012 3:41 am (PDT)



On 13 May 2012 01:23, Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>
> Ooops. Incorrect. I was NOT the OP. perhaps I answered out of turn? Sorry.
>
> No, I am on iMac, OS 10.6.8, SeaMonkey 2.9.1
>

No, my mistake, but does your Mail *not* have a Mailbox menu?
:)
Otto

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6a.

How to install Lion onto a blank HD?

Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com   macdane1

Sat May 12, 2012 5:32 pm (PDT)



Just the latest in a rash of dead hard drives in our home…my wife's white MacBook is on the fritz. I didn't want to invest too much in it at this point, and bought her an Adata SSD (S510 series 120GB) but I can't figure out where to begin.

Normally, I'd clone the old drive to the new one, install the new one, and be done. The old drive won't cooperate, though, so I figured I'd rely on her Time Machine backup to get her back to where she needs to be. But I'm stumped as to how I can get started because I first need to get OS X installed on the new drive.

She was running Leopard, and we have the Leopard install DVD but her optical drive (just like 4 of the 5 MacBooks in our home) won't read the install disc. No big deal, right? Good excuse to upgrade her to Lion. So I purchased Lion on my MacBook Pro and created a bootable USB drive. I plugged the USB drive into her MacBook and started up…except it wouldn't. I got to the screen that lets me select the startup drive (the USB drive was the only choice) chose it, and got a dark gray "no entry" sign (circle with a line through it) on a light gray screen. After several seconds, the MacBook shut down on its own.

Ok, next idea. I connected our laptops together via firewire and started hers in target disk mode. I ran the Lion installer from my machine, installing to the new SSD in her machine. Success! I then shut everything down, disconnected it all, and tried to start her MacBook. Result? The same circle with a line through it.

What am I doing wrong? Surely it's possible to install Lion to a blank new drive!?!? Why can't I boot up?

Thanks for any ideas you all can throw my way!

Dane
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Re: How to install Lion onto a blank HD?

Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus@fuse.net   barryaus

Sat May 12, 2012 6:44 pm (PDT)



One more thing to try: Reverse which machine is
in Target disk mode. In other words, boot the
known-good one in Target Disk mode, connect it to
the suspect machine, and see if it can boot from
that. Conceivably the problem is not with the
drive but with the machine. Two possibilities
here. One is that it won't boot from the attached
machine, in which case you know that something is
badly wrong. If it will boot from the attached
machine then run Disk Utility from the attached
hard drive (i.e. the other machine) and
repartition the new drive, making sure it is with
the GUID format. Conceivably you never did that,
which is why it is not bootable. It probably
could have booted from an APM drive, but will not
if it was formatted with a PC-standard format.
Once you have done that then clone the known-good
drive to the internal SSD, and then sacrifice
either a goat or a chicken. I forget which of the
two animals is the one which you have to do.

At 8:32 PM -0400 5/12/12, Dane Robison wrote:

>Just the latest in a rash of dead hard drives in
>our homeŠmy wife's white MacBook is on the
>fritz. I didn't want to invest too much in it at
>this point, and bought her an Adata SSD (S510
>series 120GB) but I can't figure out where to
>begin.
>
>Normally, I'd clone the old drive to the new
>one, install the new one, and be done. The old
>drive won't cooperate, though, so I figured I'd
>rely on her Time Machine backup to get her back
>to where she needs to be. But I'm stumped as to
>how I can get started because I first need to
>get OS X installed on the new drive.
>
>She was running Leopard, and we have the Leopard
>install DVD but her optical drive (just like 4
>of the 5 MacBooks in our home) won't read the
>install disc. No big deal, right? Good excuse to
>upgrade her to Lion. So I purchased Lion on my
>MacBook Pro and created a bootable USB drive. I
>plugged the USB drive into her MacBook and
>started upŠexcept it wouldn't. I got to the
>screen that lets me select the startup drive
>(the USB drive was the only choice) chose it,
>and got a dark gray "no entry" sign (circle with
>a line through it) on a light gray screen. After
>several seconds, the MacBook shut down on its
>own.
>
>Ok, next idea. I connected our laptops together
>via firewire and started hers in target disk
>mode. I ran the Lion installer from my machine,
>installing to the new SSD in her machine.
>Success! I then shut everything down,
>disconnected it all, and tried to start her
>MacBook. Result? The same circle with a line
>through it.
>
>What am I doing wrong? Surely it's possible to
>install Lion to a blank new drive!?!? Why can't
>I boot up?
>
>Thanks for any ideas you all can throw my way!
>
>Dane
>
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Re: How to install Lion onto a blank HD?

Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com   macdane1

Sat May 12, 2012 11:28 pm (PDT)



Thanks Barry; it never even crossed my mind to try this, but sure enough…it won't boot from my drive either. So that puts us squarely in the "something is badly wrong" scenario.

What now?

On May 12, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Barry Austern wrote:

> One more thing to try: Reverse which machine is
> in Target disk mode. In other words, boot the
> known-good one in Target Disk mode, connect it to
> the suspect machine, and see if it can boot from
> that. Conceivably the problem is not with the
> drive but with the machine. Two possibilities
> here. One is that it won't boot from the attached
> machine, in which case you know that something is
> badly wrong. If it will boot from the attached
> machine then run Disk Utility from the attached
> hard drive (i.e. the other machine) and
> repartition the new drive, making sure it is with
> the GUID format. Conceivably you never did that,
> which is why it is not bootable. It probably
> could have booted from an APM drive, but will not
> if it was formatted with a PC-standard format.
> Once you have done that then clone the known-good
> drive to the internal SSD, and then sacrifice
> either a goat or a chicken. I forget which of the
> two animals is the one which you have to do.
>
>
> At 8:32 PM -0400 5/12/12, Dane Robison wrote:
>
>> Just the latest in a rash of dead hard drives in
>> our homeŠmy wife's white MacBook is on the
>> fritz. I didn't want to invest too much in it at
>> this point, and bought her an Adata SSD (S510
>> series 120GB) but I can't figure out where to
>> begin.
>>
>> Normally, I'd clone the old drive to the new
>> one, install the new one, and be done. The old
>> drive won't cooperate, though, so I figured I'd
>> rely on her Time Machine backup to get her back
>> to where she needs to be. But I'm stumped as to
>> how I can get started because I first need to
>> get OS X installed on the new drive.
>>
>> She was running Leopard, and we have the Leopard
>> install DVD but her optical drive (just like 4
>> of the 5 MacBooks in our home) won't read the
>> install disc. No big deal, right? Good excuse to
>> upgrade her to Lion. So I purchased Lion on my
>> MacBook Pro and created a bootable USB drive. I
>> plugged the USB drive into her MacBook and
>> started upŠexcept it wouldn't. I got to the
>> screen that lets me select the startup drive
>> (the USB drive was the only choice) chose it,
>> and got a dark gray "no entry" sign (circle with
>> a line through it) on a light gray screen. After
>> several seconds, the MacBook shut down on its
>> own.
>>
>> Ok, next idea. I connected our laptops together
>> via firewire and started hers in target disk
>> mode. I ran the Lion installer from my machine,
>> installing to the new SSD in her machine.
>> Success! I then shut everything down,
>> disconnected it all, and tried to start her
>> MacBook. Result? The same circle with a line
>> through it.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong? Surely it's possible to
>> install Lion to a blank new drive!?!? Why can't
>> I boot up?
>>
>> Thanks for any ideas you all can throw my way!
>>
>> Dane
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Group FAQ:
>> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Barry Austern
> barryaus@fuse.net
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
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