8/21/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 9076

Mac Support Central

15 New Messages

Digest #9076
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Re: mac os question by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
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Re: mac os question by "yash@aol.com" dalepavlicek
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Re: mac os question by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
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Re: mac os question by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
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(no subject) by "(no author)"
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Re: mac os question by "T Hopkins" todhop
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Re: mac os question by "yash@aol.com" dalepavlicek
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Re: mac os question by "T Hopkins" todhop
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Re: mac os question by "Barry Austern" barryaus
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Re: mac os question by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
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Re: can't delete folders in Mac Mail by "ursulafreer" ursulafreer
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iPhone question by "Dane Robison" macdane1
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Re: iPhone question by "Bill Boulware" boulware0224
4c
Re: iPhone question by "Dane Robison" macdane1

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:10 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

On 21 August 2012 17:53, Barry Austern <barryaus@fuse.net> wrote:

>
> Good point. I forgot the PPC/Intel issue.

Otto

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:20 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"yash@aol.com" dalepavlicek

Otto
I guess your way past me ,don't understand what your asking. Have a g5 and a macbook the software came with my Mac book,. any way to get it to load on my G-5?
dale

-----Original Message-----
From: Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com>
To: macsupportcentral <macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: [macsupport] mac os question

Do you have a full clone of the MacBook? See if the Power Mac will boot
from that.

Otto

On 21 August 2012 16:48, dalepavlicek <yash@aol.com> wrote:

> I have a G5 power mac with 10.4 .11 os. I also have a MAC Book with OS
> 10.5. Is there any way I can put this 10. on my power mac G5?
> I tried and it says it cant load on this computer,is there any way around
> this? Is all mac os specific to a pertictular computer?
>

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:45 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

Mac users often take full clones (bootable backups) of their computers
(which can be invaluable if you have your internal hard-drive fail). You
can then often boot one Mac from the external drive containing a clone of
another Mac and even install the OS from the clone.

In your case, my idea wouldn't work anyway, because the Power Mac is PPC
and the MacBook is Intel.

Otto

On 21 August 2012 18:19, yash@aol.com <yash@aol.com> wrote:

> Otto
> I guess your way past me ,don't understand what your asking. Have a g5
> and a macbook the software came with my Mac book,. any way to get it to
> load on my G-5?
>

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:48 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> Otto
> I guess your way past me ,don't understand what your asking. Have a g5 and a macbook the software came with my Mac book,. any way to get it to load on my G-5?
> dale

OK
Short answer: No.

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:09 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"(no author)"

............Mike

On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:

>> Otto
>> I guess your way past me ,don't understand what your asking. Have a g5 and a macbook the software came with my Mac book,. any way to get it to load on my G-5?
>> dale
>
> OK
> Short answer: No.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:51 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"T Hopkins" todhop

Details, details...

Yes and no. Easy answer is "no" as someone said. More complicated answer is yes, in theory, but it may not be easy. You would also be violating the Mac Book OS license.

The G5 is qualified for 10.5 so it can run the same OS. BUT Mac original installation discs are not generic. They are custom made for specific machines. Only "retail" discs will install on any qualified machines, even unqualified ones. Your Mac Book discs will likely refuse to install on the G5.

Does that mean you can't do it? No. I'd be surprised if there isn't a way to get the original instal discs to work, or to make a new install disc from the original. And I'd love to know it so I will follow this thread. But I've never done this myself.

Mac OS discs are not copy protected in the traditional sense. If you have a "retail" disc, you can install it without technical restriction.

Cheers,
tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com

On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:48 AM, dalepavlicek wrote:

> I have a G5 power mac with 10.4 .11 os. I also have a MAC Book with OS 10.5. Is there any way I can put this 10. on my power mac G5?
> I tried and it says it cant load on this computer,is there any way around this? Is all mac os specific to a pertictular computer?
> thanks
> dale
>
>

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"yash@aol.com" dalepavlicek

Todd
Thanks for the information,I guess I need to buy the correct disks,but is it worth it on a machine as old as the G5?
dale

-----Original Message-----
From: T Hopkins <hoplist@hillmanncarr.com>
To: macsupportcentral <macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 2:51 pm
Subject: Re: [macsupport] mac os question

Details, details...

Yes and no. Easy answer is "no" as someone said. More complicated answer is

yes, in theory, but it may not be easy. You would also be violating the Mac

Book OS license.

The G5 is qualified for 10.5 so it can run the same OS. BUT Mac original

installation discs are not generic. They are custom made for specific machines.

Only "retail" discs will install on any qualified machines, even unqualified

ones. Your Mac Book discs will likely refuse to install on the G5.

Does that mean you can't do it? No. I'd be surprised if there isn't a way to

get the original instal discs to work, or to make a new install disc from the

original. And I'd love to know it so I will follow this thread. But I've never

done this myself.

Mac OS discs are not copy protected in the traditional sense. If you have a

"retail" disc, you can install it without technical restriction.

Cheers,

tod

Tod Hopkins

Hillmann & Carr Inc.

todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com

On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:48 AM, dalepavlicek wrote:

> I have a G5 power mac with 10.4 .11 os. I also have a MAC Book with OS 10.5.

Is there any way I can put this 10. on my power mac G5?

> I tried and it says it cant load on this computer,is there any way around

this? Is all mac os specific to a pertictular computer?

> thanks

> dale

>

>

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"T Hopkins" todhop

IMHO, Nope. Not at the current market price. Whether it is worth it in your particular circumstance is hard to say. If you are not running into any barriers with the tasks you perform, then no. I have two 10.4 machines happily working in my offices and another running software that specifically won't run on higher versions.

However, I personally would be irritated on a daily basis if I had to work on a 10.4 machine again.

While I pointed out that it is a technical violation of the license, that is merely in the interest of full knowledge. I am of the opinion that given the history of the OS and the current market stance of Apple, installing 10.5 on a G5 is neither an ethical breach or a violation of the "spirit" of the license. But that is only one man's opinion.

Cheers,
tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
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On Aug 21, 2012, at 3:24 PM, yash@aol.com wrote:

> Todd
> Thanks for the information,I guess I need to buy the correct disks,but is it worth it on a machine as old as the G5?
> dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: T Hopkins <hoplist@hillmanncarr.com>
> To: macsupportcentral <macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 2:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] mac os question
>
> Details, details...
>
> Yes and no. Easy answer is "no" as someone said. More complicated answer is
>
> yes, in theory, but it may not be easy. You would also be violating the Mac
>
> Book OS license.
>
> The G5 is qualified for 10.5 so it can run the same OS. BUT Mac original
>
> installation discs are not generic. They are custom made for specific machines.
>
> Only "retail" discs will install on any qualified machines, even unqualified
>
> ones. Your Mac Book discs will likely refuse to install on the G5.
>
> Does that mean you can't do it? No. I'd be surprised if there isn't a way to
>
> get the original instal discs to work, or to make a new install disc from the
>
> original. And I'd love to know it so I will follow this thread. But I've never
>
> done this myself.
>
> Mac OS discs are not copy protected in the traditional sense. If you have a
>
> "retail" disc, you can install it without technical restriction.
>
> Cheers,
>
> tod
>
> Tod Hopkins
>
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
>
> todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
>
> On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:48 AM, dalepavlicek wrote:
>
> > I have a G5 power mac with 10.4 .11 os. I also have a MAC Book with OS 10.5.
>
> Is there any way I can put this 10. on my power mac G5?
>
> > I tried and it says it cant load on this computer,is there any way around
>
> this? Is all mac os specific to a pertictular computer?
>
> > thanks
>
> > dale
>
> >
>
> >
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Barry Austern" barryaus

At 3:24 PM -0400 8/21/12, yash@aol.com wrote:

>
>
>Todd
>Thanks for the information,I guess I need to buy the correct
>disks,but is it worth it on a machine as old as the G5?
>dale

My guess is probably not. As I recall, the retail for Leopard is
$129. Furthermore, you will lose the ability to run Classic
applications, something that a PPC machine can do with pre-10.5
systems.
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:23 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> Your Mac Book discs will likely refuse to install on the G5.
>
> Does that mean you can't do it? No. I'd be surprised if there isn't a way to get the original install discs to work, or to make a new install disc from the original. And I'd love to know it so I will follow this thread. But I've never done this myself.

I suspect the following would work, but I don't recommend it:

BACK UP THE G5's DRIVE (preferably a clone backup).
If the backup is a clone, TEST THE BACKUP BY BOOTING THE G5 FROM IT.
Shut down the G5.
Re-start it into Firewire Target Disk Mode.
Connect it to the Macbook by Firewire cable.
The Macbook should see the G5's drive(s) and treat it (them) as if they are its (the Macbook's) own.
Use Macbook DVD to install 10.5.x on the G5 drive.
"Eject" the G5 drive from the Macbook.
Shut down the G5 and disconnect the Firewire cable.
See if the G5 will boot with this new OS.

Note:
1. The G5 tower may well not boot with an OS designed for an Intel Macbook
2. If it DOES boot, some functions -- obscure ones or vital ones -- may not work, or may not work right.

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler

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Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:52 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"ursulafreer" ursulafreer



Thanks PSmith.

But they will still be there forever, and the list will get longer every time I trash
a folder? So this is normal for Mac Mail? Strange....

Thanks,
Ursula

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, paul smith <kullervo@...> wrote:
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> Click on the little triangle just to the left of the trash can icon, and the ones below it will be hidden.
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> MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM, OS 10.8 iPhone 4S 64 GB, iOS 5.1.1
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> On Aug 21, 2012, at 12:23 AM, ursulafreer <studio@...> wrote:
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> > I just switched from Entourage to Mac Mail.
> >
> > Folders I have trashed turn into little trash cans (below the regular Trash icon) and don't disappear when I try to get rid of them.
> >
> > Is there a way to get rid of them?
>
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Dane Robison" macdane1

I know, this isn't an iPhone support group…

I currently have two kids at home who are phoneless and wanting to borrow my iPhone to make calls. Is there a way to unlock just the phone portion of the device without exposing my email, text messages, etc., to them?

Thanks,
Dane

Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:01 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Bill Boulware" boulware0224

You can turn on parental control in General > Restrictions and turn
everything but the phone off (require a passcode)

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Dane Robison <macdane@mac.com> wrote:

> I know, this isn't an iPhone support group…
>
> I currently have two kids at home who are phoneless and wanting to borrow
> my iPhone to make calls. Is there a way to unlock just the phone portion of
> the device without exposing my email, text messages, etc., to them?
>
> Thanks,
> Dane
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Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:07 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Dane Robison" macdane1

Thanks, Bill. That gives me the ability to hide a lot of stuff, and I think the only way to make it visible again is to go reverse the process. But things like messages, email, notes, photos and contacts are still there..?

On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Bill Boulware wrote:

> You can turn on parental control in General > Restrictions and turn
> everything but the phone off (require a passcode)
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Dane Robison <macdane@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> I know, this isn't an iPhone support groupâˆ'
>>
>> I currently have two kids at home who are phoneless and wanting to borrow
>> my iPhone to make calls. Is there a way to unlock just the phone portion of
>> the device without exposing my email, text messages, etc., to them?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dane

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