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Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> After all kinds of diagnostics, restarts, reboots, internet searching and head-banging, I managed to solve my Time Machine's interminable hanging and stalling during back ups:
>
> Turns out that just because an external hard drive *can* use its FireWire 800 ports, it may not *like* using them. By merely switching to its USB drive, Time Machine (for whatever reason) now functions as promised.
Interesting.
All the external drives I've bought since Macs had Firewire have been Firewire capable drove from OWC, bought specifically because they were Firewire capable, and connected to the computer(s) by Firewire.
Have not seen the problems you describe. Assuming your externals are different than my externals, my guess is the Firewire firmware/chipset chosen by the maker of the external case.
What brand of external case have you been having triuble with?
Do you know from other data that the firewire connector on your computer is okay?
>
> Turns out that just because an external hard drive *can* use its FireWire 800 ports, it may not *like* using them. By merely switching to its USB drive, Time Machine (for whatever reason) now functions as promised.
Interesting.
All the external drives I've bought since Macs had Firewire have been Firewire capable drove from OWC, bought specifically because they were Firewire capable, and connected to the computer(s) by Firewire.
Have not seen the problems you describe. Assuming your externals are different than my externals, my guess is the Firewire firmware/chipset chosen by the maker of the external case.
What brand of external case have you been having triuble with?
Do you know from other data that the firewire connector on your computer is okay?
Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:55 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 14 August 2012 17:38, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting.
>
> All the external drives I've bought since Macs had Firewire have been
> Firewire capable drove from OWC, bought specifically because they were
> Firewire capable, and connected to the computer(s) by Firewire.
>
> Have not seen the problems you describe. Assuming your externals are
> different than my externals, my guess is the Firewire firmware/chipset
> chosen by the maker of the external case.
>
> What brand of external case have you been having triuble with?
> Do you know from other data that the firewire connector on your computer
> is okay?
>
It could be a faulty FW cable. It would be good to know what Rob has tried.
Does the drive have FW400 as well as 800?
Otto
PS this is an example of why I never buy drives/enclosures with only one
connection: if one fails another might work, as it has for Rob.
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>
> Interesting.
>
> All the external drives I've bought since Macs had Firewire have been
> Firewire capable drove from OWC, bought specifically because they were
> Firewire capable, and connected to the computer(s) by Firewire.
>
> Have not seen the problems you describe. Assuming your externals are
> different than my externals, my guess is the Firewire firmware/chipset
> chosen by the maker of the external case.
>
> What brand of external case have you been having triuble with?
> Do you know from other data that the firewire connector on your computer
> is okay?
>
It could be a faulty FW cable. It would be good to know what Rob has tried.
Does the drive have FW400 as well as 800?
Otto
PS this is an example of why I never buy drives/enclosures with only one
connection: if one fails another might work, as it has for Rob.
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Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:40 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ken" avliska
I've noticed that when I come out of Airplay mirroring, and am returning control of my TV set to the TV, the windows on my MacBook Air have all been squished vertically, and I have to grab the corner and pull them down, or click the green traffic light button in the upper left hand corner. I typically have iTunes, Safari, and Mail open, and they all require this action. Is this normal? Can I prevent it from happening after using Mirroring? Thanks.
Ken Silva
Ken Silva
Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:13 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
This seems to be the same as when you connect an external monitor (or TV)
via a cable: the computer's display is resized to match the TV. I found
that Preferences > Displays > Display > Detect display was the best answer,
and put Displays in the top menu to make this easier.
Perhaps you could see if your display resolution is reset in this way?
Otto
On 14 August 2012 18:40, Ken <avlisk@cox.net> wrote:
> I've noticed that when I come out of Airplay mirroring, and am returning
> control of my TV set to the TV, the windows on my MacBook Air have all been
> squished vertically, and I have to grab the corner and pull them down, or
> click the green traffic light button in the upper left hand corner. I
> typically have iTunes, Safari, and Mail open, and they all require this
> action. Is this normal? Can I prevent it from happening after using
> Mirroring? Thanks.
>
>
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via a cable: the computer's display is resized to match the TV. I found
that Preferences > Displays > Display > Detect display was the best answer,
and put Displays in the top menu to make this easier.
Perhaps you could see if your display resolution is reset in this way?
Otto
On 14 August 2012 18:40, Ken <avlisk@cox.net> wrote:
> I've noticed that when I come out of Airplay mirroring, and am returning
> control of my TV set to the TV, the windows on my MacBook Air have all been
> squished vertically, and I have to grab the corner and pull them down, or
> click the green traffic light button in the upper left hand corner. I
> typically have iTunes, Safari, and Mail open, and they all require this
> action. Is this normal? Can I prevent it from happening after using
> Mirroring? Thanks.
>
>
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Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
Exactly what I have noticed. I did re-download
the app in question (WeathermanLite) and it
worked for about 3 days or so, and now I again
have the red "1" on my dock icon. At least now I
know the reason for that, so thank you for that.
It is definitely a bug on Apple's part. They
should look only at your main drive.
At 8:53 PM -0700 8/13/12, Nick Andriash wrote:
>
>
>Hi There,
>
>I am having a problem in that whenever the App
>Store indicates an update for one of my Apps, I
>am having to re-download and re-install that
>update 5 or 6 times before the App Store will
>finally realize that I already have the update.
>I posted the question on the Apple Discussion
>List and this is the reply I rec'd:
>
>> The Mac App Store (MAS) can see versions of
>>MAS apps on connected partitions and drives. If
>>you have the older version of the app on
>>another drive, then the MAS is seeing it and
>>that is triggering the update flag.
>
>That means that all my TM backups (and possibly
>my CCClones) and are populated with older
>versions of all my Apps, and the only recourse
>it seems I would have is to wipe out all my TM
>backups and start over again.
>
>Anyone else have this problem, and if not, how
>are you getting around the problem of having
>non-updated apps in TM triggering the update
>flag the Mac App Store throws out?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>--
>• Nick Andriash •
><mailto:andriash%40telus.net>andriash@telus.net
>17" MacBook Pro, 2.3GHz Intel Core i7, Memory 16 GB, OS X 10.7.3
>AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1024 MB
>iPad2 WiFi & 3G, 64GB
>iPhone4S 32GB
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
the app in question (WeathermanLite) and it
worked for about 3 days or so, and now I again
have the red "1" on my dock icon. At least now I
know the reason for that, so thank you for that.
It is definitely a bug on Apple's part. They
should look only at your main drive.
At 8:53 PM -0700 8/13/12, Nick Andriash wrote:
>
>
>Hi There,
>
>I am having a problem in that whenever the App
>Store indicates an update for one of my Apps, I
>am having to re-download and re-install that
>update 5 or 6 times before the App Store will
>finally realize that I already have the update.
>I posted the question on the Apple Discussion
>List and this is the reply I rec'd:
>
>> The Mac App Store (MAS) can see versions of
>>MAS apps on connected partitions and drives. If
>>you have the older version of the app on
>>another drive, then the MAS is seeing it and
>>that is triggering the update flag.
>
>That means that all my TM backups (and possibly
>my CCClones) and are populated with older
>versions of all my Apps, and the only recourse
>it seems I would have is to wipe out all my TM
>backups and start over again.
>
>Anyone else have this problem, and if not, how
>are you getting around the problem of having
>non-updated apps in TM triggering the update
>flag the Mac App Store throws out?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>--
>• Nick Andriash •
><mailto:andriash%
>17" MacBook Pro, 2.3GHz Intel Core i7, Memory 16 GB, OS X 10.7.3
>AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1024 MB
>iPad2 WiFi & 3G, 64GB
>iPhone4S 32GB
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
At 12:13 AM -0400 8/14/12, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>
> >> The Mac App Store (MAS) can see versions of MAS apps on
>connected partitions and drives. If you have the older version of
>the app on another drive, then the MAS is seeing it and that is
>triggering the update flag.
>>
>> That means that all my TM backups (and possibly my CCClones) and
>>are populated with older versions of all my Apps, and the only
>>recourse it seems I would have is to wipe out all my TM backups and
>>start over again.
>
>Hardly.
>Dismount those drives/partitions for a few minutes while you run the MAS scan.
Sure, but then when you remount them won't you get that same problem
all over again?
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
>
>
> >> The Mac App Store (MAS) can see versions of MAS apps on
>connected partitions and drives. If you have the older version of
>the app on another drive, then the MAS is seeing it and that is
>triggering the update flag.
>>
>> That means that all my TM backups (and possibly my CCClones) and
>>are populated with older versions of all my Apps, and the only
>>recourse it seems I would have is to wipe out all my TM backups and
>>start over again.
>
>Hardly.
>Dismount those drives/partitions for a few minutes while you run the MAS scan.
Sure, but then when you remount them won't you get that same problem
all over again?
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"John Masters" joemastersk
I believe the Mac App Store uses Spotlight to check for updates. I used to get this problem until I excluded my backup drives from Spotlight searches and now all is well. You don't really need a Spotlight search on a backup, do you?
John
On 14 Aug 2012, at 20:40, Barry Austern <barryaus@fuse.net > wrote:
> Exactly what I have noticed. I did re-download
> the app in question (WeathermanLite) and it
> worked for about 3 days or so, and now I again
> have the red "1" on my dock icon. At least now I
> know the reason for that, so thank you for that.
> It is definitely a bug on Apple's part. They
> should look only at your main drive.
>
> At 8:53 PM -0700 8/13/12, Nick Andriash wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Hi There,
> >
> >I am having a problem in that whenever the App
> >Store indicates an update for one of my Apps, I
> >am having to re-download and re-install that
> >update 5 or 6 times before the App Store will
> >finally realize that I already have the update.
> >I posted the question on the Apple Discussion
> >List and this is the reply I rec'd:
> >
> >> The Mac App Store (MAS) can see versions of
> >>MAS apps on connected partitions and drives. If
> >>you have the older version of the app on
> >>another drive, then the MAS is seeing it and
> >>that is triggering the update flag.
> >
> >That means that all my TM backups (and possibly
> >my CCClones) and are populated with older
> >versions of all my Apps, and the only recourse
> >it seems I would have is to wipe out all my TM
> >backups and start over again.
> >
> >Anyone else have this problem, and if not, how
> >are you getting around the problem of having
> >non-updated apps in TM triggering the update
> >flag the Mac App Store throws out?
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
> >
> >--
> >• Nick Andriash •
> ><mailto:andriash%40telus.net>andriash@telus.net
> >17" MacBook Pro, 2.3GHz Intel Core i7, Memory 16 GB, OS X 10.7.3
> >AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1024 MB
> >iPad2 WiFi & 3G, 64GB
> >iPhone4S 32GB
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> --
> Barry Austern
> barryaus@fuse.net
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
John
On 14 Aug 2012, at 20:40, Barry Austern <barryaus@fuse.
> Exactly what I have noticed. I did re-download
> the app in question (WeathermanLite) and it
> worked for about 3 days or so, and now I again
> have the red "1" on my dock icon. At least now I
> know the reason for that, so thank you for that.
> It is definitely a bug on Apple's part. They
> should look only at your main drive.
>
> At 8:53 PM -0700 8/13/12, Nick Andriash wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Hi There,
> >
> >I am having a problem in that whenever the App
> >Store indicates an update for one of my Apps, I
> >am having to re-download and re-install that
> >update 5 or 6 times before the App Store will
> >finally realize that I already have the update.
> >I posted the question on the Apple Discussion
> >List and this is the reply I rec'd:
> >
> >> The Mac App Store (MAS) can see versions of
> >>MAS apps on connected partitions and drives. If
> >>you have the older version of the app on
> >>another drive, then the MAS is seeing it and
> >>that is triggering the update flag.
> >
> >That means that all my TM backups (and possibly
> >my CCClones) and are populated with older
> >versions of all my Apps, and the only recourse
> >it seems I would have is to wipe out all my TM
> >backups and start over again.
> >
> >Anyone else have this problem, and if not, how
> >are you getting around the problem of having
> >non-updated apps in TM triggering the update
> >flag the Mac App Store throws out?
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
> >
> >--
> >• Nick Andriash •
> ><mailto:andriash%
> >17" MacBook Pro, 2.3GHz Intel Core i7, Memory 16 GB, OS X 10.7.3
> >AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1024 MB
> >iPad2 WiFi & 3G, 64GB
> >iPhone4S 32GB
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> --
> Barry Austern
> barryaus@fuse.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
At 8:54 PM +0100 8/14/12, John Masters wrote:
>I believe the Mac App Store uses Spotlight to check for updates. I
>used to get this problem until I excluded my backup drives from
>Spotlight searches and now all is well. You don't really need a
>Spotlight search on a backup, do you?
>
>John
Excellent point. However, I "knew" I had excluded the externals from
my Spotlight search, but I did double check. Lo and behold they were
not there. Maybe a .plist file got fouled up at one time or another.
With luck this will solve the problem. You are right. No need to
search external drives with Spotlight.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
>I believe the Mac App Store uses Spotlight to check for updates. I
>used to get this problem until I excluded my backup drives from
>Spotlight searches and now all is well. You don't really need a
>Spotlight search on a backup, do you?
>
>John
Excellent point. However, I "knew" I had excluded the externals from
my Spotlight search, but I did double check. Lo and behold they were
not there. Maybe a .plist file got fouled up at one time or another.
With luck this will solve the problem. You are right. No need to
search external drives with Spotlight.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> Exactly what I have noticed. I did re-download the app in question (WeathermanLite) and it worked for about 3 days or so, and now I again have the red "1" on my dock icon. At least now I know the reason for that, so thank you for that. It is definitely a bug on Apple's part. They should look only at your main drive.
Or at least give you an option in Mac App Store preferences of what drives to scan for apps.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Or at least give you an option in Mac App Store preferences of what drives to scan for apps.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:10 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"cnltnn" cnltnn
I turned on my mac mini today and all I get is a white screen.
I downloaded Open Office yesterday if that matters and there is a CD with Cub Scout forms inside the computer and I cannot eject it.
I downloaded Open Office from their website and it seemed to work fine.
Help! I am in a panic! It's so bad I am on my husband's PC.
Thank you!
-Carrie
I downloaded Open Office yesterday if that matters and there is a CD with Cub Scout forms inside the computer and I cannot eject it.
I downloaded Open Office from their website and it seemed to work fine.
Help! I am in a panic! It's so bad I am on my husband's PC.
Thank you!
-Carrie
Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
At 11:10 PM +0000 8/14/12, cnltnn wrote:
>
>
>I turned on my mac mini today and all I get is a white screen.
>
>I downloaded Open Office yesterday if that matters and there is a CD
>with Cub Scout forms inside the computer and I cannot eject it.
>
>I downloaded Open Office from their website and it seemed to work fine.
>
>Help! I am in a panic! It's so bad I am on my husband's PC.
>Thank you!
>-Carrie
Try booting while holding down the mouse button. That might eject the
CD. I suspect that maybe it is trying to boot from the CD, and since
it won't boot it is hanging there. If my first idea does not work
then hold the option key when you boot. It will eventually give you a
menu of bootable volumes and you can then choose your hard drive and
boot from there.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
>
>
>I turned on my mac mini today and all I get is a white screen.
>
>I downloaded Open Office yesterday if that matters and there is a CD
>with Cub Scout forms inside the computer and I cannot eject it.
>
>I downloaded Open Office from their website and it seemed to work fine.
>
>Help! I am in a panic! It's so bad I am on my husband's PC.
>Thank you!
>-Carrie
Try booting while holding down the mouse button. That might eject the
CD. I suspect that maybe it is trying to boot from the CD, and since
it won't boot it is hanging there. If my first idea does not work
then hold the option key when you boot. It will eventually give you a
menu of bootable volumes and you can then choose your hard drive and
boot from there.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"cnltnn" cnltnn
False alarm! Whew!!! I unplugged all the USB connections and it started up. I one at a time plugged them in and it was card reader I left plugged into my USB hub.
Sorry for the panic attack!
-Carrie
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Barry Austern <barryaus@...> wrote:
>
> At 11:10 PM +0000 8/14/12, cnltnn wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >I turned on my mac mini today and all I get is a white screen.
> >
> >I downloaded Open Office yesterday if that matters and there is a CD
> >with Cub Scout forms inside the computer and I cannot eject it.
> >
> >I downloaded Open Office from their website and it seemed to work fine.
> >
> >Help! I am in a panic! It's so bad I am on my husband's PC.
> >Thank you!
> >-Carrie
>
> Try booting while holding down the mouse button. That might eject the
> CD. I suspect that maybe it is trying to boot from the CD, and since
> it won't boot it is hanging there. If my first idea does not work
> then hold the option key when you boot. It will eventually give you a
> menu of bootable volumes and you can then choose your hard drive and
> boot from there.
> --
> Barry Austern
> barryaus@...
>
Sorry for the panic attack!
-Carrie
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> At 11:10 PM +0000 8/14/12, cnltnn wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >I turned on my mac mini today and all I get is a white screen.
> >
> >I downloaded Open Office yesterday if that matters and there is a CD
> >with Cub Scout forms inside the computer and I cannot eject it.
> >
> >I downloaded Open Office from their website and it seemed to work fine.
> >
> >Help! I am in a panic! It's so bad I am on my husband's PC.
> >Thank you!
> >-Carrie
>
> Try booting while holding down the mouse button. That might eject the
> CD. I suspect that maybe it is trying to boot from the CD, and since
> it won't boot it is hanging there. If my first idea does not work
> then hold the option key when you boot. It will eventually give you a
> menu of bootable volumes and you can then choose your hard drive and
> boot from there.
> --
> Barry Austern
> barryaus@...
>
Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:51 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> I turned on my mac mini today and all I get is a white screen.
>
> I downloaded Open Office yesterday if that matters and there is a CD with Cub Scout forms inside the computer and I cannot eject it.
>
> I downloaded Open Office from their website and it seemed to work fine.
>
> Help! I am in a panic! It's so bad I am on my husband's PC.
> -Carrie
Try shutting it off, then re-starting it with the left mouse button held down.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>
> I downloaded Open Office yesterday if that matters and there is a CD with Cub Scout forms inside the computer and I cannot eject it.
>
> I downloaded Open Office from their website and it seemed to work fine.
>
> Help! I am in a panic! It's so bad I am on my husband's PC.
> -Carrie
Try shutting it off, then re-starting it with the left mouse button held down.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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