5/05/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9528

15 New Messages

Digest #9528
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Re: Thin bar at the top of the window... by "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler
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Re: Thin bar at the top of the window... by "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
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Re: Thin bar at the top of the window... by "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
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Re: Apple TV by "ennisart" ennisart
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Re: Apple TV by "Jennifer Roane" jenalr
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Re: Apple TV by "Jeannie" chloe898
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Re: What did I do to iTunes10? by "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob

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Sun May 5, 2013 7:50 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jennifer Roane" jenalr

I am able to get out of full screen view. I'm trying to find a way to make that bar (not sure what it's called) where it is locked and there all the time - instead of hidden until I put my mouse up there.

Does that make sense?

I'd like to be able to glance up at the bar and see what time it is without having to point up there.

Thanks!

Jennifer

On May 5, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:

> You can also do:-
>
> Control-command-f.
>
> Move cursor to top of screen and click on the blue rectangle that appears
> in the top right corner.
>
> Otto
>
> On 5 May 2013 08:14, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Take it out of full screen mode. Menu Bar > View > Exit Full Screen
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Sun May 5, 2013 9:26 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

Oh, I see. It's called the Menu Bar, although I often put "top" in front to
make it clearer.

In short, you can't do what you want: either you have full screen and no
fixed menu bar or normal windows and and a fixed menu bar.

Why not just stretch the "normal" window to fit?

Otto

On 5 May 2013 15:50, Jennifer Roane <jroane@knology.net> wrote:

> I am able to get out of full screen view. I'm trying to find a way to
> make that bar (not sure what it's called) where it is locked and there all
> the time - instead of hidden until I put my mouse up there.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> I'd like to be able to glance up at the bar and see what time it is
> without having to point up there.
>

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Sun May 5, 2013 10:07 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"OBrien" conorboru

On Sun, 5 May 2013 17:26:28 +0100, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Why not just stretch the "normal" window to fit?

Hit the green (+) button at the upper left corner of the window.


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Sun May 5, 2013 11:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jennifer Roane" jenalr

Will do! I was thinking when I first got the computer that I saw an option to have it locked in place but have not been able to find it since then. I'll just stretch my window.

Thanks for the help!

Jennifer

On May 5, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Oh, I see. It's called the Menu Bar, although I often put "top" in front to
> make it clearer.
>
> In short, you can't do what you want: either you have full screen and no
> fixed menu bar or normal windows and and a fixed menu bar.
>
> Why not just stretch the "normal" window to fit?
>
> Otto
>
> On 5 May 2013 15:50, Jennifer Roane <jroane@knology.net> wrote:
>
> > I am able to get out of full screen view. I'm trying to find a way to
> > make that bar (not sure what it's called) where it is locked and there all
> > the time - instead of hidden until I put my mouse up there.
> >
> > Does that make sense?
> >
> > I'd like to be able to glance up at the bar and see what time it is
> > without having to point up there.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Sun May 5, 2013 1:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler

OS X now has two "full screen" modes.
If you look at the top of an application window, you will see three
"traffic light" buttons on the left and two 45 degree arrows on the right.
Clicking the green traffic button on the left brings you to full screen
with menu mode. Menu bar stays at top of screen, window fills screen except
for menu bar. Clicking the green button again returns the window to its
previous dimensions.
If you click the double 45 degree arrows at the top right, your window
becomes true full-screen, covering the menu bar. At this point the menu bar
is hidden. Moving and pausing your cursor at the top of the screen will
allow the menu bar to temporarily superimpose over the top of the window. A
blue button appears at the right of the menu bar. Clicking that blue button
returns the window to its former dimensions.

Hope this helps.
Jon

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Jennifer Roane <jroane@knology.net> wrote:

> Will do! I was thinking when I first got the computer that I saw an
> option to have it locked in place but have not been able to find it since
> then. I'll just stretch my window.
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Jennifer
>
>

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Sun May 5, 2013 1:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

>>> Take it out of full screen mode. Menu Bar > View > Exit Full Screen
>>
>> You can also do:
>> Control-command-f.
>
> I am able to get out of full screen view.
> I'm trying to find a way to make that bar (not sure what it's called) where it is locked and there all the time - instead of hidden until I put my mouse up there.

It is called the "Menu Bar" (where all the menus are located).
And it is only NOT there when you are in Full Screen Mode.

> Does that make sense?

So to have it visible, get out of Full Screen Mode and stay out of it.

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Sun May 5, 2013 2:01 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> OS X now has two "full screen" modes.

Well, sort of.

> If you look at the top of an application window, you will see three "traffic light" buttons on the left and two 45 degree arrows on the right. Clicking the green traffic button on the left brings you to full screen with menu mode. Menu bar stays at top of screen, window fills screen except for menu bar. Clicking the green button again returns the window to its previous dimensions.
>
> If you click the double 45 degree arrows at the top right, your window becomes true full-screen, covering the menu bar. At this point the menu bar is hidden. Moving and pausing your cursor at the top of the screen will allow the menu bar to temporarily superimpose over the top of the window. A blue button appears at the right of the menu bar. Clicking that blue button returns the window to its former dimensions.

Except, as per Apple, the second of these is "Full Screen Mode", and the first is NOT.

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Sun May 5, 2013 2:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob

Hi,

On 5 May 2013, at 09:44 PM, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@gmail.com> wrote:

> OS X now has two "full screen" modes.
> If you look at the top of an application window, you will see three
> "traffic light" buttons on the left and two 45 degree arrows on the right.
> Clicking the green traffic button on the left brings you to full screen
> with menu mode. Menu bar stays at top of screen, window fills screen except
> for menu bar. Clicking the green button again returns the window to its
> previous dimensions.

Whilst i see the point you are trying to make, to avoid confusion this is not a full screen mode. What you are referring to is the normal windowed mode, where you just happen to have maximised one window to fill the screen. This is not the same thing as full screen mode, and referring to it as a full screen mode will only cause confusion.

Chris

> If you click the double 45 degree arrows at the top right, your window
> becomes true full-screen, covering the menu bar. At this point the menu bar
> is hidden. Moving and pausing your cursor at the top of the screen will
> allow the menu bar to temporarily superimpose over the top of the window. A
> blue button appears at the right of the menu bar. Clicking that blue button
> returns the window to its former dimensions.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Jon
>
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Jennifer Roane <jroane@knology.net> wrote:
>
>> Will do! I was thinking when I first got the computer that I saw an
>> option to have it locked in place but have not been able to find it since
>> then. I'll just stretch my window.
>>
>> Thanks for the help!
>>
>> Jennifer
>
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Sun May 5, 2013 2:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Confusion and ambiguity is what Apple's nomenclature is all about. Use the same term to mean several different things. Has been for years. If you doubt me, think about your Apple IDs, or the App Stores.

We users have to come up with conventions as to what terms to use to avoid confusion. Old full screen was with the green dot, the new full screen does not have the Menu Bar.

Brent

On May 5, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

Hi,

On 5 May 2013, at 09:44 PM, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@gmail.com> wrote:

> OS X now has two "full screen" modes.
> If you look at the top of an application window, you will see three
> "traffic light" buttons on the left and two 45 degree arrows on the right.
> Clicking the green traffic button on the left brings you to full screen
> with menu mode. Menu bar stays at top of screen, window fills screen except
> for menu bar. Clicking the green button again returns the window to its
> previous dimensions.

Whilst i see the point you are trying to make, to avoid confusion this is not a full screen mode. What you are referring to is the normal windowed mode, where you just happen to have maximised one window to fill the screen. This is not the same thing as full screen mode, and referring to it as a full screen mode will only cause confusion.

Chris

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Sun May 5, 2013 3:12 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob

Hi,

On 5 May 2013, at 10:57pm, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> Confusion and ambiguity is what Apple's nomenclature is all about. Use the same term to mean several different things. Has been for years. If you doubt me, think about your Apple IDs, or the App Stores.
>
> We users have to come up with conventions as to what terms to use to avoid confusion. Old full screen was with the green dot, the new full screen does not have the Menu Bar.

Sorry to disagree, but for me, the 'green button' was never 'full screen' mode, but a 'maximised window'. I agree the distinction is slight, but for me it is still there.

Chris

>
> Brent
>
>
> On May 5, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 5 May 2013, at 09:44 PM, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OS X now has two "full screen" modes.
>> If you look at the top of an application window, you will see three
>> "traffic light" buttons on the left and two 45 degree arrows on the right.
>> Clicking the green traffic button on the left brings you to full screen
>> with menu mode. Menu bar stays at top of screen, window fills screen except
>> for menu bar. Clicking the green button again returns the window to its
>> previous dimensions.
>
> Whilst i see the point you are trying to make, to avoid confusion this is not a full screen mode. What you are referring to is the normal windowed mode, where you just happen to have maximised one window to fill the screen. This is not the same thing as full screen mode, and referring to it as a full screen mode will only cause confusion.
>
> Chris
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Sun May 5, 2013 3:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> Confusion and ambiguity is what Apple's nomenclature is all about. Use the same term to mean several different things. Has been for years. If you doubt me, think about your Apple IDs, or the App Stores.
>
> We users have to come up with conventions as to what terms to use to avoid confusion. Old full screen was with the green dot, the new full screen does not have the Menu Bar.
>
> Brent

If you (or Apple) uses existing "terms of art", they come pre-defined.

If you (or Apple) *invents* a new term of art for a GUI feature they invented, THEN you (or Apple) get to decide what it means.

And those who mis-use that new term later are the ones that sow confusion.

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Sun May 5, 2013 8:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"ennisart" ennisart


If you can drop your cable subscription altogether, you can watch TV shows on iTunes , but they charge $2.99 for per rental. Also, Netflix has a limited library of selections, and current DVD movie rentals from iTunes can cost $6.

John

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Robert Buscaglia <rbuscag@...> wrote:
>
> Would someone be kind enough to share their experiences with Apple TV? Is it easy to set up? Was there anything else you had to buy? Did it allow you to down size your cable subscription?
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>

Sun May 5, 2013 11:04 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jennifer Roane" jenalr

We dropped our cable completely and subscribe to Hulu Plus and Amazon Prime. Hulu Plus does everything we need - minus most of the CBS shows. We have Roku boxes and an Innovative Technology stand that displays our iPad on the tv.

Jennifer

On May 5, 2013, at 11:22 AM, "ennisart"; <john@john-ennis.com> wrote:

>
> If you can drop your cable subscription altogether, you can watch TV shows on iTunes , but they charge $2.99 for per rental. Also, Netflix has a limited library of selections, and current DVD movie rentals from iTunes can cost $6.
>
> John
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Robert Buscaglia <rbuscag@...> wrote:
> >
> > Would someone be kind enough to share their experiences with Apple TV? Is it easy to set up? Was there anything else you had to buy? Did it allow you to down size your cable subscription?
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
>
>

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Sun May 5, 2013 12:09 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jeannie" chloe898

We gave up cable a few years back. We have roku, Apple TV, and MLB..and
there is so much to watch, that I am always behind. To add to that I have a
bunch of apps on my ipad that let me watch shows wherever I have my ipad

Jeannie

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Jennifer Roane <jroane@knology.net> wrote:

> We dropped our cable completely and subscribe to Hulu Plus and Amazon
> Prime. Hulu Plus does everything we need - minus most of the CBS shows.
> We have Roku boxes and an Innovative Technology stand that displays our
> iPad on the tv.
>
> Jennifer
>
> On May 5, 2013, at 11:22 AM, "ennisart"; <john@john-ennis.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > If you can drop your cable subscription altogether, you can watch TV
> shows on iTunes , but they charge $2.99 for per rental. Also, Netflix has a
> limited library of selections, and current DVD movie rentals from iTunes
> can cost $6.
> >
> > John
> >
> > --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Robert Buscaglia <rbuscag@...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Would someone be kind enough to share their experiences with Apple TV?
> Is it easy to set up? Was there anything else you had to buy? Did it allow
> you to down size your cable subscription?
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> >
> >
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Sun May 5, 2013 1:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob

Hi,

On 5 May 2013, at 12:29 AM, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Nevermind. The window menu has started dropping down from off the screen now so I can get out of full screen mode. Have no idea why this started.

A some point you must have activated full screen mode....

>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
>>
>> there is no window, iTunes takes over the entire screen, so there are no colored buttons at top or top of any window.
>>
>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, ck368@ wrote:
>>>
>>> …..or the green traffic light at the top left?
>>>
>>> Charles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 May 2013, at 23:10, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> When opening iTunes app it takes over the entire screen. It's like what Spaces do, but I didn't chose to view iTunes as a Space to itself. Anyhoo, the menus are gone, there is no mini player available. It's one big fill screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Want back to iTunes working as a regular app in regular windows reducible to mini player. How do I get there?
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried tapping the <Escape> key?
>>>
>>>
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