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Sun May 5, 2013 4:11 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler
Of course. Ambiguity reigns supreme. If you want to get technical, in "full
screen" mode a window occupies the whole screen, including the menu bar
area. A "maximized window" occupies the entire screen EXCEPT the menu bar
real estate.
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com > wrote:
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> > Confusion and ambiguity is what Apple's nomenclature is all about. Use
> the same term to mean several different things. Has been for years. If you
> doubt me, think about your Apple IDs, or the App Stores.
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> > We users have to come up with conventions as to what terms to use to
> avoid confusion. Old full screen was with the green dot, the new full
> screen does not have the Menu Bar.
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> > Brent
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> If you (or Apple) uses existing "terms of art", they come pre-defined.
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> If you (or Apple) *invents* a new term of art for a GUI feature they
> invented, THEN you (or Apple) get to decide what it means.
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> And those who mis-use that new term later are the ones that sow confusion.
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screen" mode a window occupies the whole screen, including the menu bar
area. A "maximized window" occupies the entire screen EXCEPT the menu bar
real estate.
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.
> **
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> > Confusion and ambiguity is what Apple's nomenclature is all about. Use
> the same term to mean several different things. Has been for years. If you
> doubt me, think about your Apple IDs, or the App Stores.
> >
> > We users have to come up with conventions as to what terms to use to
> avoid confusion. Old full screen was with the green dot, the new full
> screen does not have the Menu Bar.
> >
> > Brent
>
> If you (or Apple) uses existing "terms of art", they come pre-defined.
>
> If you (or Apple) *invents* a new term of art for a GUI feature they
> invented, THEN you (or Apple) get to decide what it means.
>
> And those who mis-use that new term later are the ones that sow confusion.
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Sun May 5, 2013 4:23 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 5 May 2013 23:12, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk > wrote:
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> Sorry to disagree, but for me, the 'green button' was never 'full screen'
> mode, but a 'maximised window'. I agree the distinction is slight, but for
> me it is still there.
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> The green + button is a Zoom button that toggles between your current
chosen window size and a sort-of-maximised window. The latter doesn't fill
the screen, even if you ignore the menu bar. This might be one of the most
misunderstood differences between Mac and Windows.
<
http://www.macyourself.com/2011/02/06/why-doesnt-mac-os-xs-green-zoom-button-maximize-windows/ >
or
<http://bit.ly/fAF5cz >
Otto
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> Sorry to disagree, but for me, the 'green button' was never 'full screen'
> mode, but a 'maximised window'. I agree the distinction is slight, but for
> me it is still there.
>
> The green + button is a Zoom button that toggles between your current
chosen window size and a sort-of-maximised window. The latter doesn't fill
the screen, even if you ignore the menu bar. This might be one of the most
misunderstood differences between Mac and Windows.
<
http://www.macyours
or
<http://bit.ly/
Otto
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Sun May 5, 2013 4:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Your "maximised" is not available unless, by chance, the data happens to
fill both dimensions. See the link I included in my previous message.
Otto
On 6 May 2013 00:11, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@gmail.com > wrote:
> Of course. Ambiguity reigns supreme. If you want to get technical, in "full
> screen" mode a window occupies the whole screen, including the menu bar
> area. A "maximized window" occupies the entire screen EXCEPT the menu bar
> real estate.
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fill both dimensions. See the link I included in my previous message.
Otto
On 6 May 2013 00:11, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@
> Of course. Ambiguity reigns supreme. If you want to get technical, in "full
> screen" mode a window occupies the whole screen, including the menu bar
> area. A "maximized window" occupies the entire screen EXCEPT the menu bar
> real estate.
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Sun May 5, 2013 5:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jennifer Roane" jenalr
Thanks Otto, Jon, Jim, Chris, and Brent. I think I understand now. Two views and there is no way to combine them both in a Hybrid kind of way. Oh well!
Thanks!
Jennifer
On May 5, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com > wrote:
> Your "maximised" is not available unless, by chance, the data happens to
> fill both dimensions. See the link I included in my previous message.
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> Otto
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> On 6 May 2013 00:11, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@gmail.com > wrote:
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> > Of course. Ambiguity reigns supreme. If you want to get technical, in "full
> > screen" mode a window occupies the whole screen, including the menu bar
> > area. A "maximized window" occupies the entire screen EXCEPT the menu bar
> > real estate.
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Thanks!
Jennifer
On May 5, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
> Your "maximised&quo
> fill both dimensions. See the link I included in my previous message.
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> Otto
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> On 6 May 2013 00:11, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@
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> > Of course. Ambiguity reigns supreme. If you want to get technical, in "full
> > screen" mode a window occupies the whole screen, including the menu bar
> > area. A "maximized window" occupies the entire screen EXCEPT the menu bar
> > real estate.
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Sun May 5, 2013 5:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
On May 5, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Jennifer Roane wrote:
> Thanks Otto, Jon, Jim, Chris, and Brent. I think I understand now. Two views and there is no way to combine them both in a Hybrid kind of way. Oh well!
There certainly is. Rather than full screen mode you can use the mouse to move the window around and make it larger and larger with the thingie on the lower right corner until it fills up the screen, just as Mac'ers always could do in 10.6 and earlier all the way back to the original Mac.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
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Sun May 5, 2013 11:39 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
On 6 May 2013, at 1:39am, Barry Austern <barryaus@fuse.
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> On May 5, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Jennifer Roane wrote:
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>> Thanks Otto, Jon, Jim, Chris, and Brent. I think I understand now. Two views and there is no way to combine them both in a Hybrid kind of way. Oh well!
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> There certainly is. Rather than full screen mode you can use the mouse to move the window around and make it larger and larger with the thingie on the lower right corner until it fills up the screen, just as Mac'ers always could do in 10.6 and earlier all the way back to the original Mac.
No, thats wrong and where the confusion is coming from.
"Full Screen Mode" is a new option in the most recent releases and is completely different to just "making a window bigger" which is what you describe. Once you have switched an application into this mode, it no longer has edges to its window, since it no longer has a window at all, it fills the entire screen, and cannot be made smaller !
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Mon May 6, 2013 3:39 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Have you tried the Zoom button? It might not fill the screen in both
directions but doesn't it still do what's actually required? After all,
what's the point of taking all the screen if a lot of it is "dead space"?
Otto
On 6 May 2013 01:29, Jennifer Roane <jroane@knology.net > wrote:
> Thanks Otto, Jon, Jim, Chris, and Brent. I think I understand now. Two
> views and there is no way to combine them both in a Hybrid kind of way. Oh
> well!
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directions but doesn't it still do what's actually required? After all,
what's the point of taking all the screen if a lot of it is "dead space"?
Otto
On 6 May 2013 01:29, Jennifer Roane <jroane@knology.
> Thanks Otto, Jon, Jim, Chris, and Brent. I think I understand now. Two
> views and there is no way to combine them both in a Hybrid kind of way. Oh
> well!
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Sun May 5, 2013 5:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Pat Taylor" pat412255
I just read this tip for a quick way to find & delete exact duplicates in your iTunes library:
Update: One of our readers points out that there's another way to make sure the duplicates are exactly the same: hit the Option key when selecting the Show Duplicate Items in the View menu. The option will change to Show Exact Duplicate Items, and you can use that to be super sure you've got the same files duplicating up the place. (Thanks, Technochick!)
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Update: One of our readers points out that there's another way to make sure the duplicates are exactly the same: hit the Option key when selecting the Show Duplicate Items in the View menu. The option will change to Show Exact Duplicate Items, and you can use that to be super sure you've got the same files duplicating up the place. (Thanks, Technochick!
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