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Wed Aug 8, 2012 9:56 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Rob Frankel" robfrankeldotcom
First, thanks to everyone who offered help. This
issue seems to be very widespread, if you believe
all the Apple Support complaints out there. I
use CCC for my monthly drive clone, not as an
every day back up, so I know about that and SD.
At 8:11 AM +0000 8/8/12, macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>Rob, have you turned Time Machine off. Wiped the
>external drive with Disk Utility. Renamed the
>external drive. Shut down your Mac. Unplugged
>ALL cords to the Mac and the external HD. Let
>the Mac set for 10 minutes. Replugged and
>rebooted. Turn on Time Machine and assigned the
>external. Hope it helps. It's so easy and the
>hourly backups are almost like immediate
>copying. I've been using ª since I first
>installed SL, and S still works w ª perfectly
>everyday every hour with an external 500G HD. jr
Yes, done that. Doesn't work. However, here's
one thing I have noticed that doesn't appear
anywhere else:
The hangs seem to occur only when Time Machine is
set to automatically back up. So I tested TM
using it manually. It worked the first two
times. The next day, it hung up "calculating
changes."
I hate to be a conspiracy advocate, but:
1. Is Apple confirming my thesis that they are
no longer the brand they once were, with their
legendary reputation for customer care?
2. Is Apple indeed turning into a dark force,
allowing glitches like this to go unsolved in an
effort to drive users away from local storage to
their pay to play iCloud?
--
Rob Frankel
Branding Expert http://www.RobFrankel.com
Twitter: @brandingexpert
AIM/Skype: ROBFRANKEL ICQ: 249862730
1-888-ROBFRANKEL * 818-990-8623 * E-Fax 413-778-0909
Yes, there's an RSS feed blog, if you can handle
it: http://www.robfrankelblog.com
issue seems to be very widespread, if you believe
all the Apple Support complaints out there. I
use CCC for my monthly drive clone, not as an
every day back up, so I know about that and SD.
At 8:11 AM +0000 8/8/12, macsupportcentral@
>Rob, have you turned Time Machine off. Wiped the
>external drive with Disk Utility. Renamed the
>external drive. Shut down your Mac. Unplugged
>ALL cords to the Mac and the external HD. Let
>the Mac set for 10 minutes. Replugged and
>rebooted. Turn on Time Machine and assigned the
>external. Hope it helps. It's so easy and the
>hourly backups are almost like immediate
>copying. I've been using ª since I first
>installed SL, and S still works w ª perfectly
>everyday every hour with an external 500G HD. jr
Yes, done that. Doesn't work. However, here's
one thing I have noticed that doesn't appear
anywhere else:
The hangs seem to occur only when Time Machine is
set to automatically back up. So I tested TM
using it manually. It worked the first two
times. The next day, it hung up "calculating
changes."
I hate to be a conspiracy advocate, but:
1. Is Apple confirming my thesis that they are
no longer the brand they once were, with their
legendary reputation for customer care?
2. Is Apple indeed turning into a dark force,
allowing glitches like this to go unsolved in an
effort to drive users away from local storage to
their pay to play iCloud?
--
Rob Frankel
Branding Expert http://www.RobFrank
Twitter: @brandingexpert
AIM/Skype: ROBFRANKEL ICQ: 249862730
1-888-ROBFRANKEL * 818-990-8623 * E-Fax 413-778-0909
Yes, there's an RSS feed blog, if you can handle
it: http://www.robfrank
Wed Aug 8, 2012 10:13 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
I went to my local Micro Center computer super store yesterday and
found a new Seagate Barracuda 2 TB, 64 MB cache (bare drive & cables
only) for $109.99 USD. This was a $10.00 off sale from the current
$119.99 price.
If you are a hard drive consumer, as I have become, the Seagate brand
has reboxed the Barracuda HD models that they used to call "high speed"
or "extreme speed." These now are in a daily standard Seagate box but
with the 64 MB Cache noted on front of box.
Pretty good price!
For those outside the US, Micro Center is a chain of computer super
stores with about 25 locations. I think it's an excellent computer
store and even has a separate "store in the store" for Apple products.
<http://www.microcenter.com/ >
I did a quick look and did not find specific information about whether
Micro Center ships internationally.
Micro Center is one of the places that often has several stacks of UPS
battery boxes by the front door and marked with excellent low prices
It's probably a constant "loss leader" to bring in shoppers.
Denver Dan
I went to my local Micro Center computer super store yesterday and
found a new Seagate Barracuda 2 TB, 64 MB cache (bare drive & cables
only) for $109.99 USD. This was a $10.00 off sale from the current
$119.99 price.
If you are a hard drive consumer, as I have become, the Seagate brand
has reboxed the Barracuda HD models that they used to call "high speed"
or "extreme speed." These now are in a daily standard Seagate box but
with the 64 MB Cache noted on front of box.
Pretty good price!
For those outside the US, Micro Center is a chain of computer super
stores with about 25 locations. I think it's an excellent computer
store and even has a separate "store in the store" for Apple products.
<http://www.microcen
I did a quick look and did not find specific information about whether
Micro Center ships internationally.
Micro Center is one of the places that often has several stacks of UPS
battery boxes by the front door and marked with excellent low prices
It's probably a constant "loss leader" to bring in shoppers.
Denver Dan
Thu Aug 9, 2012 1:56 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> I went to my local Micro Center computer super store yesterday and
> found a new Seagate Barracuda 2 TB, 64 MB cache (bare drive & cables
> only) for $109.99 USD. This was a $10.00 off sale from the current
> $119.99 price.
>
> If you are a hard drive consumer, as I have become, the Seagate brand
> has reboxed the Barracuda HD models that they used to call "high
> speed"
> or "extreme speed." These now are in a daily standard Seagate box but
> with the 64 MB Cache noted on front of box.
>
> Pretty good price!
That's a great price, Dan, thanks for pointing it out.
But did you read the reviews from folks who purchased this drive?
Lots of failures and poor performance.
http://www.microcen
product_id=0383892#
One wonders if these drives are what is known as "B stock" that the
manufacturer is trying to get rid of because of problems. That might
explain the great price.
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
____________
Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:25 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
At this point, with the consolidation of the hard drive industry into
two big groups of Seagate and Western Digital, I'm not sure if there is
a good maker of more reliable hard drives anymore.
I think, Randy, your point about specific drive models is an excellent
one but I'm not sure I could easily turn it into practical use for
purchasing due to the constant change of drive models and even their
box/packaging to make useful for me.
I recently had an 18 month old Hitachi 1 TB drive fail.
To be fair I now run a somewhat large number of drives and with the
increase in number of devices I expect failure rates to climb. The
more complex stuff gets the more likely there will be failures.
Here's a web site with a limited number of drive makers and models
compared for the failure rates of the units.
<http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1596099 >
This hardForum listing from several months ago confirms my low opinion
of Western Digital products but I don't know where this data comes from
except for a mention that it might be from RMA rates. To be fair it
lists 1 TB Hitachis with a high failure rate and that was my experience
also.
I've looked through the following article about a study done by Google
for some clues on reliable HD brands but I'm still on the mostly
clueless side of the fence except for some broad conclusions.
<http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-disk-failure-experience/ >
This site has a link to a PDF file prepared by Google named:
Failure Trends in a Large Disk Drive Population
Eduardo Pinheiro, Wolf-Dietrich Weber and Luiz Andre¡Z Barroso Google
Inc.
(Appears in the Proceedings of the 5th USENIX Conference on File and
Storage Technologies (FAST¡¦07), February 2007)
However, this study is now almost 5 years old.
The summary of the PDF on the StorageMojo web site is probably more
useful that the PDF.
The Google drive study challenges some of our notions of the causes of
drive failure and of the ability for failures to be predicted.
-- Higher operating temperatures seem to be less of a cause of failure
than lower temperatures!!
-- Failure rates don't seem to correlate to a specific manufacturer as
much as the failure rates by specific drive model.
-- S.M.A.R.T. technology for predicting drive failure is frequently not
a very reliable indicator of failure except for several specific
S.M.A.R.T. reporting parameters.
-- MTBF (mean time between failure) rates that are advertised to
indicate life of a drive are, in reality, much higher in real life than
drive makers MTBF rates indicate. In other words, MTBF is more of a
marketing feature than a reliable predictor.
Here's a quote from the conclusion of this Google PDF paper.
"Our results confirm the findings of previous smaller population
studies that suggest that some of the SMART parameters are
well-correlated with higher failure probabilities. We find, for
example, that after their first scan error, drives are 39 times more
likely to fail within 60 days than drives with no such errors. First
errors in re- allocations, offline reallocations, and probational
counts are also strongly correlated to higher failure probabilities.
Despite those strong correlations, we find that failure prediction
models based on SMART parameters alone are likely to be severely
limited in their prediction accuracy, given that a large fraction of
our failed drives have shown no SMART error signals whatsoever."
Denver Dan
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 01:56:56 -0700, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
>> I went to my local Micro Center computer super store yesterday and
>> found a new Seagate Barracuda 2 TB, 64 MB cache (bare drive & cables
>> only) for $109.99 USD. This was a $10.00 off sale from the current
>> $119.99 price.
>>
>> If you are a hard drive consumer, as I have become, the Seagate brand
>> has reboxed the Barracuda HD models that they used to call "high
>> speed"
>> or "extreme speed." These now are in a daily standard Seagate box but
>> with the 64 MB Cache noted on front of box.
>>
>> Pretty good price!
>
> That's a great price, Dan, thanks for pointing it out.
>
> But did you read the reviews from folks who purchased this drive?
> Lots of failures and poor performance.
> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?
> product_id=0383892#BVRRWidgetID
>
> One wonders if these drives are what is known as "B stock" that the
> manufacturer is trying to get rid of because of problems. That might
> explain the great price.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
At this point, with the consolidation of the hard drive industry into
two big groups of Seagate and Western Digital, I'm not sure if there is
a good maker of more reliable hard drives anymore.
I think, Randy, your point about specific drive models is an excellent
one but I'm not sure I could easily turn it into practical use for
purchasing due to the constant change of drive models and even their
box/packaging to make useful for me.
I recently had an 18 month old Hitachi 1 TB drive fail.
To be fair I now run a somewhat large number of drives and with the
increase in number of devices I expect failure rates to climb. The
more complex stuff gets the more likely there will be failures.
Here's a web site with a limited number of drive makers and models
compared for the failure rates of the units.
<http://hardforum.
This hardForum listing from several months ago confirms my low opinion
of Western Digital products but I don't know where this data comes from
except for a mention that it might be from RMA rates. To be fair it
lists 1 TB Hitachis with a high failure rate and that was my experience
also.
I've looked through the following article about a study done by Google
for some clues on reliable HD brands but I'm still on the mostly
clueless side of the fence except for some broad conclusions.
<http://storagemojo.
This site has a link to a PDF file prepared by Google named:
Failure Trends in a Large Disk Drive Population
Eduardo Pinheiro, Wolf-Dietrich Weber and Luiz Andre¡Z Barroso Google
Inc.
(Appears in the Proceedings of the 5th USENIX Conference on File and
Storage Technologies (FAST¡¦07), February 2007)
However, this study is now almost 5 years old.
The summary of the PDF on the StorageMojo web site is probably more
useful that the PDF.
The Google drive study challenges some of our notions of the causes of
drive failure and of the ability for failures to be predicted.
-- Higher operating temperatures seem to be less of a cause of failure
than lower temperatures!
-- Failure rates don't seem to correlate to a specific manufacturer as
much as the failure rates by specific drive model.
-- S.M.A.R.T. technology for predicting drive failure is frequently not
a very reliable indicator of failure except for several specific
S.M.A.R.T. reporting parameters.
-- MTBF (mean time between failure) rates that are advertised to
indicate life of a drive are, in reality, much higher in real life than
drive makers MTBF rates indicate. In other words, MTBF is more of a
marketing feature than a reliable predictor.
Here's a quote from the conclusion of this Google PDF paper.
"Our results confirm the findings of previous smaller population
studies that suggest that some of the SMART parameters are
well-correlated with higher failure probabilities. We find, for
example, that after their first scan error, drives are 39 times more
likely to fail within 60 days than drives with no such errors. First
errors in re- allocations, offline reallocations, and probational
counts are also strongly correlated to higher failure probabilities.
Despite those strong correlations, we find that failure prediction
models based on SMART parameters alone are likely to be severely
limited in their prediction accuracy, given that a large fraction of
our failed drives have shown no SMART error signals whatsoever."
Denver Dan
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 01:56:56 -0700, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
>> I went to my local Micro Center computer super store yesterday and
>> found a new Seagate Barracuda 2 TB, 64 MB cache (bare drive & cables
>> only) for $109.99 USD. This was a $10.00 off sale from the current
>> $119.99 price.
>>
>> If you are a hard drive consumer, as I have become, the Seagate brand
>> has reboxed the Barracuda HD models that they used to call "high
>> speed"
>> or "extreme speed." These now are in a daily standard Seagate box but
>> with the 64 MB Cache noted on front of box.
>>
>> Pretty good price!
>
> That's a great price, Dan, thanks for pointing it out.
>
> But did you read the reviews from folks who purchased this drive?
> Lots of failures and poor performance.
> http://www.microcen
> product_id=0383892#
>
> One wonders if these drives are what is known as "B stock" that the
> manufacturer is trying to get rid of because of problems. That might
> explain the great price.
>
> ____________
> Randy B. Singer
Thu Aug 9, 2012 7:37 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
There is a link to the original article referenced in hardforum. The data is from retail returns in the first year, Dec 2010. While interesting, it's of limited value.
I would totally love to know if publishes any meaningful failure rate surveys. Would be particularly meaningful if it include enterprise class drives for comparison. Truth is, I buy maybe a dozen drives a year, all "consumer" class, and several brands, and the only first year failures I can remember at the moment were WD drives.
I'm beginning to think the a 48hr "burn-in" period might be advisable for new drives, much the same way that we used to burn new PCs. Anyone do this? What software do you use? Drive Genius has a test that would work. I think Tech Tool does to. Have never used them for this purpose. I would worry a bit that this would involve a trade off between detecting initial defects and accelerating drive "wear."
I remember reading a thread from someone in my business who runs speed tests on every new drive and swore that he rejected a large proportion of each batch for poor performance relative to it's peers, meaning he is seeing measurable differences in performance from drive to drive in the same manufacturing batch. And these were big enough variations from claimed specs to reject the drives under warranty terms!
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> At this point, with the consolidation of the hard drive industry into
> two big groups of Seagate and Western Digital, I'm not sure if there is
> a good maker of more reliable hard drives anymore.
>
> I think, Randy, your point about specific drive models is an excellent
> one but I'm not sure I could easily turn it into practical use for
> purchasing due to the constant change of drive models and even their
> box/packaging to make useful for me.
>
> I recently had an 18 month old Hitachi 1 TB drive fail.
>
> To be fair I now run a somewhat large number of drives and with the
> increase in number of devices I expect failure rates to climb. The
> more complex stuff gets the more likely there will be failures.
>
> Here's a web site with a limited number of drive makers and models
> compared for the failure rates of the units.
>
> <http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1596099 >
>
> This hardForum listing from several months ago confirms my low opinion
> of Western Digital products but I don't know where this data comes from
> except for a mention that it might be from RMA rates. To be fair it
> lists 1 TB Hitachis with a high failure rate and that was my experience
> also.
>
> I've looked through the following article about a study done by Google
> for some clues on reliable HD brands but I'm still on the mostly
> clueless side of the fence except for some broad conclusions.
>
> <http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-disk-failure-experience/ >
>
> This site has a link to a PDF file prepared by Google named:
>
> Failure Trends in a Large Disk Drive Population
>
> Eduardo Pinheiro, Wolf-Dietrich Weber and Luiz Andreâ•´ Barroso Google
> Inc.
>
> (Appears in the Proceedings of the 5th USENIX Conference on File and
> Storage Technologies (FAST’07), February 2007)
>
> However, this study is now almost 5 years old.
>
> The summary of the PDF on the StorageMojo web site is probably more
> useful that the PDF.
>
> The Google drive study challenges some of our notions of the causes of
> drive failure and of the ability for failures to be predicted.
>
> -- Higher operating temperatures seem to be less of a cause of failure
> than lower temperatures!!
>
> -- Failure rates don't seem to correlate to a specific manufacturer as
> much as the failure rates by specific drive model.
>
> -- S.M.A.R.T. technology for predicting drive failure is frequently not
> a very reliable indicator of failure except for several specific
> S.M.A.R.T. reporting parameters.
>
> -- MTBF (mean time between failure) rates that are advertised to
> indicate life of a drive are, in reality, much higher in real life than
> drive makers MTBF rates indicate. In other words, MTBF is more of a
> marketing feature than a reliable predictor.
>
> Here's a quote from the conclusion of this Google PDF paper.
>
> "Our results confirm the findings of previous smaller population
> studies that suggest that some of the SMART parameters are
> well-correlated with higher failure probabilities. We find, for
> example, that after their first scan error, drives are 39 times more
> likely to fail within 60 days than drives with no such errors. First
> errors in re- allocations, offline reallocations, and probational
> counts are also strongly correlated to higher failure probabilities.
> Despite those strong correlations, we find that failure prediction
> models based on SMART parameters alone are likely to be severely
> limited in their prediction accuracy, given that a large fraction of
> our failed drives have shown no SMART error signals whatsoever."
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 01:56:56 -0700, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> >
> > On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> >
> >> I went to my local Micro Center computer super store yesterday and
> >> found a new Seagate Barracuda 2 TB, 64 MB cache (bare drive & cables
> >> only) for $109.99 USD. This was a $10.00 off sale from the current
> >> $119.99 price.
> >>
> >> If you are a hard drive consumer, as I have become, the Seagate brand
> >> has reboxed the Barracuda HD models that they used to call "high
> >> speed"
> >> or "extreme speed." These now are in a daily standard Seagate box but
> >> with the 64 MB Cache noted on front of box.
> >>
> >> Pretty good price!
> >
> > That's a great price, Dan, thanks for pointing it out.
> >
> > But did you read the reviews from folks who purchased this drive?
> > Lots of failures and poor performance.
> > http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?
> > product_id=0383892#BVRRWidgetID
> >
> > One wonders if these drives are what is known as "B stock" that the
> > manufacturer is trying to get rid of because of problems. That might
> > explain the great price.
> >
> > ___________________________________________
> > Randy B. Singer
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I would totally love to know if publishes any meaningful failure rate surveys. Would be particularly meaningful if it include enterprise class drives for comparison. Truth is, I buy maybe a dozen drives a year, all "consumer" class, and several brands, and the only first year failures I can remember at the moment were WD drives.
I'm beginning to think the a 48hr "burn-in" period might be advisable for new drives, much the same way that we used to burn new PCs. Anyone do this? What software do you use? Drive Genius has a test that would work. I think Tech Tool does to. Have never used them for this purpose. I would worry a bit that this would involve a trade off between detecting initial defects and accelerating drive "wear."
I remember reading a thread from someone in my business who runs speed tests on every new drive and swore that he rejected a large proportion of each batch for poor performance relative to it's peers, meaning he is seeing measurable differences in performance from drive to drive in the same manufacturing batch. And these were big enough variations from claimed specs to reject the drives under warranty terms!
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-
On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> At this point, with the consolidation of the hard drive industry into
> two big groups of Seagate and Western Digital, I'm not sure if there is
> a good maker of more reliable hard drives anymore.
>
> I think, Randy, your point about specific drive models is an excellent
> one but I'm not sure I could easily turn it into practical use for
> purchasing due to the constant change of drive models and even their
> box/packaging to make useful for me.
>
> I recently had an 18 month old Hitachi 1 TB drive fail.
>
> To be fair I now run a somewhat large number of drives and with the
> increase in number of devices I expect failure rates to climb. The
> more complex stuff gets the more likely there will be failures.
>
> Here's a web site with a limited number of drive makers and models
> compared for the failure rates of the units.
>
> <http://hardforum.
>
> This hardForum listing from several months ago confirms my low opinion
> of Western Digital products but I don't know where this data comes from
> except for a mention that it might be from RMA rates. To be fair it
> lists 1 TB Hitachis with a high failure rate and that was my experience
> also.
>
> I've looked through the following article about a study done by Google
> for some clues on reliable HD brands but I'm still on the mostly
> clueless side of the fence except for some broad conclusions.
>
> <http://storagemojo.
>
> This site has a link to a PDF file prepared by Google named:
>
> Failure Trends in a Large Disk Drive Population
>
> Eduardo Pinheiro, Wolf-Dietrich Weber and Luiz Andreâ•´ Barroso Google
> Inc.
>
> (Appears in the Proceedings of the 5th USENIX Conference on File and
> Storage Technologies (FAST’07), February 2007)
>
> However, this study is now almost 5 years old.
>
> The summary of the PDF on the StorageMojo web site is probably more
> useful that the PDF.
>
> The Google drive study challenges some of our notions of the causes of
> drive failure and of the ability for failures to be predicted.
>
> -- Higher operating temperatures seem to be less of a cause of failure
> than lower temperatures!
>
> -- Failure rates don't seem to correlate to a specific manufacturer as
> much as the failure rates by specific drive model.
>
> -- S.M.A.R.T. technology for predicting drive failure is frequently not
> a very reliable indicator of failure except for several specific
> S.M.A.R.T. reporting parameters.
>
> -- MTBF (mean time between failure) rates that are advertised to
> indicate life of a drive are, in reality, much higher in real life than
> drive makers MTBF rates indicate. In other words, MTBF is more of a
> marketing feature than a reliable predictor.
>
> Here's a quote from the conclusion of this Google PDF paper.
>
> "Our results confirm the findings of previous smaller population
> studies that suggest that some of the SMART parameters are
> well-correlated with higher failure probabilities. We find, for
> example, that after their first scan error, drives are 39 times more
> likely to fail within 60 days than drives with no such errors. First
> errors in re- allocations, offline reallocations, and probational
> counts are also strongly correlated to higher failure probabilities.
> Despite those strong correlations, we find that failure prediction
> models based on SMART parameters alone are likely to be severely
> limited in their prediction accuracy, given that a large fraction of
> our failed drives have shown no SMART error signals whatsoever."
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 01:56:56 -0700, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> >
> > On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> >
> >> I went to my local Micro Center computer super store yesterday and
> >> found a new Seagate Barracuda 2 TB, 64 MB cache (bare drive & cables
> >> only) for $109.99 USD. This was a $10.00 off sale from the current
> >> $119.99 price.
> >>
> >> If you are a hard drive consumer, as I have become, the Seagate brand
> >> has reboxed the Barracuda HD models that they used to call "high
> >> speed"
> >> or "extreme speed." These now are in a daily standard Seagate box but
> >> with the 64 MB Cache noted on front of box.
> >>
> >> Pretty good price!
> >
> > That's a great price, Dan, thanks for pointing it out.
> >
> > But did you read the reviews from folks who purchased this drive?
> > Lots of failures and poor performance.
> > http://www.microcen
> > product_id=0383892#
> >
> > One wonders if these drives are what is known as "B stock" that the
> > manufacturer is trying to get rid of because of problems. That might
> > explain the great price.
> >
> > ____________
> > Randy B. Singer
>
>
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Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Guy Kudlemyer" truckersroost
Hello:
Please excuse my ignorance. I recently purchased an iPhone from Verizon
after years of using an LG dumbphone.
Now, everyone tells me that I ought to be using it to read those square
black & white codes that are printed on everything. Questions abound:
1‹What are those codes called?
2‹What will they do for me when I read them?
3‹How do I do it?
4‹Do I need a special ap?
5‹If I need a special ap, where do I go to get it? The apple Store? What¹s
it called?
Please keep in mind that I¹m nearing retirement age, so I¹m not as ³up² on
stuff as I used to be.
Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
_________________________________________
GUY KUDLEMYER
Thurston, OR
Mac OSX
I maintain zero tolerance for Zero Tolerance Policies
WAYLON FOREVER
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Please excuse my ignorance. I recently purchased an iPhone from Verizon
after years of using an LG dumbphone.
Now, everyone tells me that I ought to be using it to read those square
black & white codes that are printed on everything. Questions abound:
1‹What are those codes called?
2‹What will they do for me when I read them?
3‹How do I do it?
4‹Do I need a special ap?
5‹If I need a special ap, where do I go to get it? The apple Store? What¹s
it called?
Please keep in mind that I¹m nearing retirement age, so I¹m not as ³up² on
stuff as I used to be.
Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
____________
GUY KUDLEMYER
Thurston, OR
Mac OSX
I maintain zero tolerance for Zero Tolerance Policies
WAYLON FOREVER
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Wed Aug 8, 2012 4:13 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
QR (Quick Response) code.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code >
(I leave others to recommend apps, etc.) ;)
Otto
On 8 August 2012 23:40, Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.net > wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Please excuse my ignorance. I recently purchased an iPhone from Verizon
> after years of using an LG dumbphone.
>
> Now, everyone tells me that I ought to be using it to read those square
> black & white codes that are printed on everything. Questions abound:
>
> 1‹What are those codes called?
> 2‹What will they do for me when I read them?
> 3‹How do I do it?
> 4‹Do I need a special ap?
> 5‹If I need a special ap, where do I go to get it? The apple Store? What¹s
> it called?
>
> Please keep in mind that I¹m nearing retirement age, so I¹m not as ³up² on
> stuff as I used to be.
>
> Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
<http://en.wikipedia
(I leave others to recommend apps, etc.) ;)
Otto
On 8 August 2012 23:40, Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.
> Hello:
>
> Please excuse my ignorance. I recently purchased an iPhone from Verizon
> after years of using an LG dumbphone.
>
> Now, everyone tells me that I ought to be using it to read those square
> black & white codes that are printed on everything. Questions abound:
>
> 1‹What are those codes called?
> 2‹What will they do for me when I read them?
> 3‹How do I do it?
> 4‹Do I need a special ap?
> 5‹If I need a special ap, where do I go to get it? The apple Store? What¹s
> it called?
>
> Please keep in mind that I¹m nearing retirement age, so I¹m not as ³up² on
> stuff as I used to be.
>
> Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Aug 8, 2012 5:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler
You must use the App Store application to download other applications to
your iPhone.
There are several QR code reader applications available, some free, some
for a fee.
I suggest trying a free one first. The QR readers will interpret the QR
code (these are usually encoded URLs [Internet addresses]) and start up a
web browser (usually Safari) to send you to the web address indicated. In
the App Store application, do a search for QR.
I've tried a few, they seem to work in the same way, nothing great, but
they get the job done:
"QR Reader"
"RedLaser Barcode Scanner"
"A T & T Code Scanner"
The above mentioned apps are free.
Jon
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Otto Nikolaus
<otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com >wrote:
> **
>
>
> QR (Quick Response) code.
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code >
>
> (I leave others to recommend apps, etc.) ;)
>
> Otto
>
>
> On 8 August 2012 23:40, Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.net > wrote:
>
> > Hello:
> >
> > Please excuse my ignorance. I recently purchased an iPhone from Verizon
> > after years of using an LG dumbphone.
> >
> > Now, everyone tells me that I ought to be using it to read those square
> > black & white codes that are printed on everything. Questions abound:
> >
> > 1‹What are those codes called?
> > 2‹What will they do for me when I read them?
> > 3‹How do I do it?
> > 4‹Do I need a special ap?
> > 5‹If I need a special ap, where do I go to get it? The apple Store?
> What¹s
> > it called?
> >
> > Please keep in mind that I¹m nearing retirement age, so I¹m not as ³up²
> on
> > stuff as I used to be.
> >
> > Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
your iPhone.
There are several QR code reader applications available, some free, some
for a fee.
I suggest trying a free one first. The QR readers will interpret the QR
code (these are usually encoded URLs [Internet addresses]) and start up a
web browser (usually Safari) to send you to the web address indicated. In
the App Store application, do a search for QR.
I've tried a few, they seem to work in the same way, nothing great, but
they get the job done:
"QR Reader"
"RedLaser Barcode Scanner"
"A T & T Code Scanner"
The above mentioned apps are free.
Jon
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Otto Nikolaus
<otto.nikolaus@
> **
>
>
> QR (Quick Response) code.
> <http://en.wikipedia
>
> (I leave others to recommend apps, etc.) ;)
>
> Otto
>
>
> On 8 August 2012 23:40, Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.
>
> > Hello:
> >
> > Please excuse my ignorance. I recently purchased an iPhone from Verizon
> > after years of using an LG dumbphone.
> >
> > Now, everyone tells me that I ought to be using it to read those square
> > black & white codes that are printed on everything. Questions abound:
> >
> > 1‹What are those codes called?
> > 2‹What will they do for me when I read them?
> > 3‹How do I do it?
> > 4‹Do I need a special ap?
> > 5‹If I need a special ap, where do I go to get it? The apple Store?
> What¹s
> > it called?
> >
> > Please keep in mind that I¹m nearing retirement age, so I¹m not as ³up²
> on
> > stuff as I used to be.
> >
> > Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Aug 8, 2012 6:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
I found this interesting from the Wiki link:
Malicious QR Codes combined with a permissive reader can put a computer's contents and user's privacy at risk. This practice is known as "attagging", a portmanteau of "attack tagging."[36] They are easily created and may be affixed over legitimate QR Codes.[37] On a smartphone, the reader's many permissions may allow use of the camera, full internet access, read/write contact data, GPS, read browser history, read/write local storage, and global system changes.[38][39][40]
Risks include linking to dangerous websites with browser exploits, enabling the microphone/camera/GPS and then streaming those feeds to a remote server, analysis of sensitive data (passwords, files, contacts, transactions),[41] and sending email/SMS/IM messages or DDOS packets as part of a botnet, corrupting privacy settings, stealing identity,[42] and even containing malicious logic themselves such as JavaScript[43] or a virus.[44][45] These actions may occur in the background while the user only sees the reader opening a seemingly harmless webpage.[46] In Russia, a malicious QR Code caused phones that scanned it to send premium texts at a fee of USD$6 each.[36]
jr
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> Please excuse my ignorance. I recently purchased an iPhone from Verizon
> after years of using an LG dumbphone.
>
> Now, everyone tells me that I ought to be using it to read those square
> black & white codes that are printed on everything. Questions abound:
>
> 1‹What are those codes called?
> 2‹What will they do for me when I read them?
> 3‹How do I do it?
> 4‹Do I need a special ap?
> 5‹If I need a special ap, where do I go to get it? The apple Store? What¹s
> it called?
>
> Please keep in mind that I¹m nearing retirement age, so I¹m not as ³up² on
> stuff as I used to be.
>
> Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
> _________________________________________
>
> GUY KUDLEMYER
> Thurston, OR
> Mac OSX
> I maintain zero tolerance for Zero Tolerance Policies
>
>
> WAYLON FOREVER
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Malicious QR Codes combined with a permissive reader can put a computer's contents and user's privacy at risk. This practice is known as "attagging", a portmanteau of "attack tagging."[36] They are easily created and may be affixed over legitimate QR Codes.[37] On a smartphone, the reader's many permissions may allow use of the camera, full internet access, read/write contact data, GPS, read browser history, read/write local storage, and global system changes.[38]
Risks include linking to dangerous websites with browser exploits, enabling the microphone/camera/
jr
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Hello:
>
> Please excuse my ignorance. I recently purchased an iPhone from Verizon
> after years of using an LG dumbphone.
>
> Now, everyone tells me that I ought to be using it to read those square
> black & white codes that are printed on everything. Questions abound:
>
> 1‹What are those codes called?
> 2‹What will they do for me when I read them?
> 3‹How do I do it?
> 4‹Do I need a special ap?
> 5‹If I need a special ap, where do I go to get it? The apple Store? What¹s
> it called?
>
> Please keep in mind that I¹m nearing retirement age, so I¹m not as ³up² on
> stuff as I used to be.
>
> Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
> ____________
>
> GUY KUDLEMYER
> Thurston, OR
> Mac OSX
> I maintain zero tolerance for Zero Tolerance Policies
>
>
> WAYLON FOREVER
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Thu Aug 9, 2012 6:40 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
"QR Codes"
They actually a replacement technology for UPC bar codes. They contain very simple information.
In the real world that you and I inhabit, most QR codes are webs links. When you read them, they jump to a website.
You need a special app. Zapper Scan and Red Laser are two major free apps that are generic "readers" of QR codes and other types of codes. QR reading is really a "function" that can be put into any app, so there are custom apps that have QR code readers embedded in them because they are a necessary part of the apps particular function.
For the iPhone, you use iTunes' Store, not the Mac "App Store". Yeah, it's confusing. See the left column in iTunes for the link.
Do you need to do this? In my opinion, probably not. And you'll probably know it if you do. Most QR links are essentially ads. But there are some interesting uses out there. For instance, QR codes sometimes link to app downloads (ironic, eh?). Think of them as web links for the physical world. You point your iPhone camera at one, snap a picture. The app reads the code and then "jumps" to the web site that is encoded in the link.
But you can code almost any simple information that the app can understand. So QR code readers are used for inventory tags, or in museums as identifiers for hand held tours.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
On Aug 8, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Guy Kudlemyer wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Please excuse my ignorance. I recently purchased an iPhone from Verizon
> after years of using an LG dumbphone.
>
> Now, everyone tells me that I ought to be using it to read those square
> black & white codes that are printed on everything. Questions abound:
>
> 1—What are those codes called?
> 2—What will they do for me when I read them?
> 3—How do I do it?
> 4—Do I need a special ap?
> 5—If I need a special ap, where do I go to get it? The apple Store? What's
> it called?
>
> Please keep in mind that I'm nearing retirement age, so I'm not as "up" on
> stuff as I used to be.
>
> Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
> _________________________________________
>
> GUY KUDLEMYER
> Thurston, OR
> Mac OSX
> I maintain zero tolerance for Zero Tolerance Policies
>
> WAYLON FOREVER
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
They actually a replacement technology for UPC bar codes. They contain very simple information.
In the real world that you and I inhabit, most QR codes are webs links. When you read them, they jump to a website.
You need a special app. Zapper Scan and Red Laser are two major free apps that are generic "readers" of QR codes and other types of codes. QR reading is really a "function" that can be put into any app, so there are custom apps that have QR code readers embedded in them because they are a necessary part of the apps particular function.
For the iPhone, you use iTunes' Store, not the Mac "App Store". Yeah, it's confusing. See the left column in iTunes for the link.
Do you need to do this? In my opinion, probably not. And you'll probably know it if you do. Most QR links are essentially ads. But there are some interesting uses out there. For instance, QR codes sometimes link to app downloads (ironic, eh?). Think of them as web links for the physical world. You point your iPhone camera at one, snap a picture. The app reads the code and then "jumps" to the web site that is encoded in the link.
But you can code almost any simple information that the app can understand. So QR code readers are used for inventory tags, or in museums as identifiers for hand held tours.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-
On Aug 8, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Guy Kudlemyer wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Please excuse my ignorance. I recently purchased an iPhone from Verizon
> after years of using an LG dumbphone.
>
> Now, everyone tells me that I ought to be using it to read those square
> black & white codes that are printed on everything. Questions abound:
>
> 1—What are those codes called?
> 2—What will they do for me when I read them?
> 3—How do I do it?
> 4—Do I need a special ap?
> 5—If I need a special ap, where do I go to get it? The apple Store? What's
> it called?
>
> Please keep in mind that I'm nearing retirement age, so I'm not as "up" on
> stuff as I used to be.
>
> Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
> ____________
>
> GUY KUDLEMYER
> Thurston, OR
> Mac OSX
> I maintain zero tolerance for Zero Tolerance Policies
>
> WAYLON FOREVER
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Aug 8, 2012 7:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ken" avliska
Over the last 4 years, I made some playlists using some of the radio stations in iTunes, which I stream every day from iTunes. Examples being WBZ, KABC, 1710 Antioch, Radio Theater Channel. Mostly, Old Time Radio is my passion.
For 4 years, I simply go to that playlist and click on one of these and it plays. It even worked 4 hours ago. Now, nothing in any of those playlist will stream anymore. The "play" button won't click.
I can go back to "radio" in the "Library" list at the left side of the iTunes window, find those stations again, drag them into my iTunes playlists, and the newly brought over ones work, streaming their audio. They are the same as the old ones, which don't stream any more.
Yes, I can search for all those stations again, and drag them all over again, but I've got about 100 in various lists, and that'll be a lot of work, so I'd obviously like to find out what's disabled them and restore their function.
I just installed Mountain Lion a couple of weeks ago, and was OK until today.MacBook Air, 2011 vintage with SS hard drive.
Thanks.
Ken Silva
For 4 years, I simply go to that playlist and click on one of these and it plays. It even worked 4 hours ago. Now, nothing in any of those playlist will stream anymore. The "play" button won't click.
I can go back to "radio" in the "Library" list at the left side of the iTunes window, find those stations again, drag them into my iTunes playlists, and the newly brought over ones work, streaming their audio. They are the same as the old ones, which don't stream any more.
Yes, I can search for all those stations again, and drag them all over again, but I've got about 100 in various lists, and that'll be a lot of work, so I'd obviously like to find out what's disabled them and restore their function.
I just installed Mountain Lion a couple of weeks ago, and was OK until today.MacBook Air, 2011 vintage with SS hard drive.
Thanks.
Ken Silva
Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:28 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ken" avliska
Over the last 4 years, I made some playlists using some of the radio stations in iTunes, which I stream every day from iTunes. Examples being WBZ, KABC, 1710 Antioch, Radio Theater Channel. Mostly, Old Time Radio is my passion.
For 4 years, I simply go to that playlist and click on one of these and it plays. It even worked 4 hours ago. Now, nothing in any of those playlist will stream anymore. The "play" button won't click.
I can go back to "radio" in the "Library" list at the left side of the iTunes window, find those stations again, drag them into my iTunes playlists, and the newly brought over ones work, streaming their audio. They are the same as the old ones, which don't stream any more.
Yes, I can search for all those stations again, and drag them all over again, but I've got about 100 in various lists, and that'll be a lot of work, so I'd obviously like to find out what's disabled them and restore their function.
I just installed Mountain Lion a couple of weeks ago, and was OK until today.MacBook Air, 2011 vintage with SS hard drive.
Thanks.
Ken Silva
For 4 years, I simply go to that playlist and click on one of these and it plays. It even worked 4 hours ago. Now, nothing in any of those playlist will stream anymore. The "play" button won't click.
I can go back to "radio" in the "Library" list at the left side of the iTunes window, find those stations again, drag them into my iTunes playlists, and the newly brought over ones work, streaming their audio. They are the same as the old ones, which don't stream any more.
Yes, I can search for all those stations again, and drag them all over again, but I've got about 100 in various lists, and that'll be a lot of work, so I'd obviously like to find out what's disabled them and restore their function.
I just installed Mountain Lion a couple of weeks ago, and was OK until today.MacBook Air, 2011 vintage with SS hard drive.
Thanks.
Ken Silva
Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:28 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ken" avliska
Over the last 4 years, I made some playlists using some of the radio stations in iTunes, which I stream every day from iTunes. Examples being WBZ, KABC, 1710 Antioch, Radio Theater Channel. Mostly, Old Time Radio is my passion.
For 4 years, I simply go to that playlist and click on one of these and it plays. It even worked 4 hours ago. Now, nothing in any of those playlist will stream anymore. The "play" button won't click.
I can go back to "radio" in the "Library" list at the left side of the iTunes window, find those stations again, drag them into my iTunes playlists, and the newly brought over ones work, streaming their audio. They are the same as the old ones, which don't stream any more.
Yes, I can search for all those stations again, and drag them all over again, but I've got about 100 in various lists, and that'll be a lot of work, so I'd obviously like to find out what's disabled them and restore their function.
I just installed Mountain Lion a couple of weeks ago, and was OK until today.MacBook Air, 2011 vintage with SS hard drive.
Thanks.
Ken Silva
For 4 years, I simply go to that playlist and click on one of these and it plays. It even worked 4 hours ago. Now, nothing in any of those playlist will stream anymore. The "play" button won't click.
I can go back to "radio" in the "Library" list at the left side of the iTunes window, find those stations again, drag them into my iTunes playlists, and the newly brought over ones work, streaming their audio. They are the same as the old ones, which don't stream any more.
Yes, I can search for all those stations again, and drag them all over again, but I've got about 100 in various lists, and that'll be a lot of work, so I'd obviously like to find out what's disabled them and restore their function.
I just installed Mountain Lion a couple of weeks ago, and was OK until today.MacBook Air, 2011 vintage with SS hard drive.
Thanks.
Ken Silva
Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:13 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Hugh Crymble" hcrymble
Just plain odd.
While my Mail regularly freezes for a minute or two when mail arrives, this morning it is listing just received Mail as arriving at January 1, 2000 even thought the Mail itself shows todays date.
If anyone has a suggestion, short of switching to Windows….
Many thanks
hugh
While my Mail regularly freezes for a minute or two when mail arrives, this morning it is listing just received Mail as arriving at January 1, 2000 even thought the Mail itself shows todays date.
If anyone has a suggestion, short of switching to Windows….
Many thanks
hugh
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