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Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 13 July 2012 05:46, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry to seem harsh, but the user made a lethal dumb error (having
> previously made other non-lethal errors), the upshot of which was that he
> killed his system.
>
> This is NOT Apple's fault.
>
> I cannot conceive of someone doing REAL WORK (for MONEY) on a computer for
> which they have no backup (let alone multiple backups) and no way to repair
> or re-install the OS.
>
> Or going into Terminal, particularly in SUDO mode, to execute commands in
> the absence of a complete understanding of what they do.
>
I'm afraid I have to agree. Some Unix commands are *very* powerful and none
of them display warnings such as "Warning! This command will delete the
current directory and all sub-directories and files! Do you really want to
do this?"
As an absolute minimum, you should as least observe which the current
directory is and also call ls to see the sub-directories. It is *vital* to
know where you are when calling any command doing
multiple/recursive/wildcard deletions.
Article about rmdir and rm
<
http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/06/how-to-linux-delete-directory-using-rmdir-rm-command/#more-551
>
Otto
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>
> Sorry to seem harsh, but the user made a lethal dumb error (having
> previously made other non-lethal errors), the upshot of which was that he
> killed his system.
>
> This is NOT Apple's fault.
>
> I cannot conceive of someone doing REAL WORK (for MONEY) on a computer for
> which they have no backup (let alone multiple backups) and no way to repair
> or re-install the OS.
>
> Or going into Terminal, particularly in SUDO mode, to execute commands in
> the absence of a complete understanding of what they do.
>
I'm afraid I have to agree. Some Unix commands are *very* powerful and none
of them display warnings such as "Warning! This command will delete the
current directory and all sub-directories and files! Do you really want to
do this?"
As an absolute minimum, you should as least observe which the current
directory is and also call ls to see the sub-directories. It is *vital* to
know where you are when calling any command doing
multiple/recursive/
Article about rmdir and rm
<
http://www.thegeeks
>
Otto
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
I've read the article at
<http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10357452-263.html >
I'm sorry, but you didn't read it properly, did you? Even so, the warning
there is nothing like strong enough.
Otto
On 13 July 2012 05:28, Eric <emanmb@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I was using Lightroom on my wife's MBP and going through a recent model
> shoot here in Bangkok. I hit delete on an image (all images are stored on
> an external drive) and I got a message saying basically that the trash was
> not connected to that drive, do I want to delete the image immediately. I
> clicked OK and found another bad shot, hit delete and got the same message.
> This did not happen the night before while editing.
> So I googled the message and got this result:
> http://forums.adobe.com/message/3818886
> The post stating "You need to reset the Trash. It's not an Adobe problem.
> I went into Terminal and entered:
> sudo rm -rf"
> There is a link in that post
> http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10357452-263.html that further
> explains this procedure.
> I said OK lets try.
>
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<http://reviews.
I'm sorry, but you didn't read it properly, did you? Even so, the warning
there is nothing like strong enough.
Otto
On 13 July 2012 05:28, Eric <emanmb@yahoo.
> I was using Lightroom on my wife's MBP and going through a recent model
> shoot here in Bangkok. I hit delete on an image (all images are stored on
> an external drive) and I got a message saying basically that the trash was
> not connected to that drive, do I want to delete the image immediately. I
> clicked OK and found another bad shot, hit delete and got the same message.
> This did not happen the night before while editing.
> So I googled the message and got this result:
> http://forums.
> The post stating "You need to reset the Trash. It's not an Adobe problem.
> I went into Terminal and entered:
> sudo rm -rf"
> There is a link in that post
> http://reviews.
> explains this procedure.
> I said OK lets try.
>
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:29 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Eric" emanmb
I will definitely look into backing up the installer before downloading. Found this so far... http://marienfeldt.com/2011/07/22/backup-os-x-10-7-lion-to-dvd/ and I'm sure it was covered on this list as well.
I use 10.6 on my MacPro which is still on the boat, so I haven't really looked into 10.7 that much other than glancing over posts here and elsewhere and occasionally using my wife's MBP.
Our shipment is due to arrive soon so we'll have my wife's backup drive etc, once unpacked and I can deal with it all then.
e
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
>
> I thought that if you buy and download 10.7, you can copy the download
> somewhere safe, or even create a bootable volume from it, as long as you do
> this *before* installing it (which deletes the download on completion).
>
> Otto
>
> On 13 July 2012 09:29, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
>
> > If I read correct you cannot buy Lion and download(reinstall), is that
> > right? I would suggest getting a second drive. Installing whatever system
> > on it and booting from the new drive, then recover as many files as
> > possible. But it's just a suggestion. Others are more qualified or at least
> > they think they are.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I use 10.6 on my MacPro which is still on the boat, so I haven't really looked into 10.7 that much other than glancing over posts here and elsewhere and occasionally using my wife's MBP.
Our shipment is due to arrive soon so we'll have my wife's backup drive etc, once unpacked and I can deal with it all then.
e
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> I thought that if you buy and download 10.7, you can copy the download
> somewhere safe, or even create a bootable volume from it, as long as you do
> this *before* installing it (which deletes the download on completion).
>
> Otto
>
> On 13 July 2012 09:29, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
>
> > If I read correct you cannot buy Lion and download(reinstall)
> > right? I would suggest getting a second drive. Installing whatever system
> > on it and booting from the new drive, then recover as many files as
> > possible. But it's just a suggestion. Others are more qualified or at least
> > they think they are.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
I'm pretty sure I originally got the App Store as an update to 10.6, not as part of the original install. Try running Software Updater. It may recognize that the App Store is missing and offer to reinstall. It's possible that you'll have to remove some other references for this to work and that may be too difficult.
If Software Updater does not work, try installing the latest "Combo updater" for your system. Since the App Store is an update, the combo updated should install the latest version.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Eric wrote:
> I will definitely look into backing up the installer before downloading. Found this so far... http://marienfeldt.com/2011/07/22/backup-os-x-10-7-lion-to-dvd/ and I'm sure it was covered on this list as well.
>
> I use 10.6 on my MacPro which is still on the boat, so I haven't really looked into 10.7 that much other than glancing over posts here and elsewhere and occasionally using my wife's MBP.
> Our shipment is due to arrive soon so we'll have my wife's backup drive etc, once unpacked and I can deal with it all then.
> e
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
> >
> > I thought that if you buy and download 10.7, you can copy the download
> > somewhere safe, or even create a bootable volume from it, as long as you do
> > this *before* installing it (which deletes the download on completion).
> >
> > Otto
> >
> > On 13 July 2012 09:29, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
> >
> > > If I read correct you cannot buy Lion and download(reinstall), is that
> > > right? I would suggest getting a second drive. Installing whatever system
> > > on it and booting from the new drive, then recover as many files as
> > > possible. But it's just a suggestion. Others are more qualified or at least
> > > they think they are.
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
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If Software Updater does not work, try installing the latest "Combo updater" for your system. Since the App Store is an update, the combo updated should install the latest version.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-
On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Eric wrote:
> I will definitely look into backing up the installer before downloading. Found this so far... http://marienfeldt.
>
> I use 10.6 on my MacPro which is still on the boat, so I haven't really looked into 10.7 that much other than glancing over posts here and elsewhere and occasionally using my wife's MBP.
> Our shipment is due to arrive soon so we'll have my wife's backup drive etc, once unpacked and I can deal with it all then.
> e
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@
> >
> > I thought that if you buy and download 10.7, you can copy the download
> > somewhere safe, or even create a bootable volume from it, as long as you do
> > this *before* installing it (which deletes the download on completion).
> >
> > Otto
> >
> > On 13 July 2012 09:29, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
> >
> > > If I read correct you cannot buy Lion and download(reinstall)
> > > right? I would suggest getting a second drive. Installing whatever system
> > > on it and booting from the new drive, then recover as many files as
> > > possible. But it's just a suggestion. Others are more qualified or at least
> > > they think they are.
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:43 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> It does illustrate a situation, albiet a self inflicted one, where having a hard copy of the OS would have had me back up and running. That's the only "fault" I found w/apple, if you can call it that. Previously I didn't care whether there was one or not.
I have hard copies of Lion, the Lion installer file, and even a USB flash drive with a Lion installer. Apple didn't supply them. I made them.
With Snow Leopard -- which came with a DVD -- I put the DVD away and probably completely mislaid it shortly after cloning it onto a 10 GB partition of a backup hard drive.
My DVD drive has historically been flaky, and at best it's slow. I rely on other methods than Apple's to have software like that available.
I have hard copies of Lion, the Lion installer file, and even a USB flash drive with a Lion installer. Apple didn't supply them. I made them.
With Snow Leopard -- which came with a DVD -- I put the DVD away and probably completely mislaid it shortly after cloning it onto a 10 GB partition of a backup hard drive.
My DVD drive has historically been flaky, and at best it's slow. I rely on other methods than Apple's to have software like that available.
Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:47 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> If I read correct you cannot buy Lion and download(reinstall), is that right? I would suggest getting a second drive. Installing whatever system on it and booting from the new drive, then recover as many files as possible. But it's just a suggestion. Others are more qualified or at least they think they are.
Properly installed from scratch, the Lion installer creates a Recovery Partition on the same drive that Lion is being installed on. If and when you screw up the Lion installation -- presuming an adequate internet connection -- the recovery partition wil allow you to re-install Lion in the main partition.
But at least one separate backup drive is only prudent.
Properly installed from scratch, the Lion installer creates a Recovery Partition on the same drive that Lion is being installed on. If and when you screw up the Lion installation -- presuming an adequate internet connection -- the recovery partition wil allow you to re-install Lion in the main partition.
But at least one separate backup drive is only prudent.
Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:50 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> I thought that if you buy and download 10.7, you can copy the download somewhere safe, or even create a bootable volume from it, as long as you do this *before* installing it (which deletes the download on completion).
> Otto
Correct. One of many available, recommended, backup or "preventive maintenance" options.
> Otto
Correct. One of many available, recommended, backup or "preventive maintenance" options.
Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:14 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Carol" were_koala
Hi, I'm new to this group but have had Macs since 1987. The current (fifth) one is a MacBook Pro about 2 years old.
Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but having some problems getting used to it.
Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments? Eudora had them in a "Eudora Folder" but "Mail" does not have an equivalent folder. I want to know where they are so I can (1) be sure I back them up, and (2) delete attachments or open them with any application I want to use.
A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder there.
Assistance appreciated. adTHANKSvance!
Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but having some problems getting used to it.
Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments? Eudora had them in a "Eudora Folder" but "Mail" does not have an equivalent folder. I want to know where they are so I can (1) be sure I back them up, and (2) delete attachments or open them with any application I want to use.
A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder there.
Assistance appreciated. adTHANKSvance!
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