On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:35 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> > They're probably equally good; I prefer the interface of SuperDuper!
> >
>
> I agree, but you can trial the full version of CCC for free whereas
> you
> can't with SD, IOW you can run CCC as long as you like, and then
> donate
> when you're happy with it.

You can also download SuperDuper! for free and try it out without
purchasing it. The free download allows you to do a full clone.
Once you pay for SuperDuper! the registered version of the program
includes the extra ability to do scheduling, Smart Update, Sandboxes,
scripting, etc. But none of these are necessary to create a clone of
your primary drive.

For what it's worth, I also like the interface of SuperDuper! more
than that of CCC. In addition, I've experienced permissions problems
when using CCC that made it impossible to create a clone. In the
same circumstances, SuperDuper! created a clone quickly and without
any protest.

___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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Re: Clones

Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:26 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup

On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Carol McKee wrote:

>
> How do you make a bootable clone on Snow Leopard?

Use Carbon Copy Clone or SuperDuper or the restore option in Disk Utility.

Daly

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Re: Clones

Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:27 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup

On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:35 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>>>
>>> How do you make a bootable clone on Snow Leopard?
>>
>> SuperDuper!
>> <http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html>
>> or
>> CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner)
>> <http://www.bombich.com/index.html>
>>
>> They're probably equally good; I prefer the interface of SuperDuper!
>>
> I agree, but you can trial the full version of CCC for free whereas you
> can't with SD, IOW you can run CCC as long as you like, and then donate
> when you're happy with it.

True, but she just wants a bootable clone. SuperDuper, CCC, and Restore (Disk Utility) are all free for that.

Daly

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Re: Clones

Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:29 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"OBrien" conorboru

On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:16:13 -0400, Jim Saklad wrote:
> CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner)
> <http://www.bombich.com/index.html>
>
> They're probably equally good; I prefer the interface of SuperDuper!

I've always used CCC. It works fine. It has a variety of options for what/how you want to clone.

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Re: A new concern?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:30 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"bob morin" rbmorin2002

On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>
> Personally, I recommend *against* Little Snitch.

I have little snitch but have turned it off. Terribly annoying. constantly giving you warnings.

bob

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Re: A new concern?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob

Hi,

I've never used Little Snitch, but what I have heard about it makes me wonder why anyone would, given OS X has a very good Firewall built in.

Just go to Prefs -> Security & privacy, and make sure you have the firewall enabled (which really is a good idea).

Then click on Firewall Options. In there you can tune your level of paranoia. I would recommend having stealth mode enabled. I don't enabled "block all incoming connections" as that is very restrictive. Instead, each time a new application tries to access the internet, you will get a pop up asking if you want to allow this or not. The list of allowed or blocked applications is listed in the prefs plane, where you can also adjust the settings for each, or remove it from the lists (so the next time it is run it will ask you again).

More info is at

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1810

I fail to see what Little Snitch could add to this�br>
cheers Chris

On 14 Jul 2012, at 2:02am, Randy B. Singer wrote:

>
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 11:38 AM, HAL9000 wrote:
>
>> I am a Little Snitch Believer.
>
> Personally, I recommend *against* Little Snitch.
>
> The biggest problem with Little Snitch is that it is very intrusive,
> giving you frequent reports of things that are trying to access the
> Internet. The thing is that these reports are very self-serving;
> they almost always are reports about completely innocuous things.
> These reports do little more than cause the user to be needlessly
> paranoid.
>
> There is just about no spyware for the Mac, and there have been very
> few (actually probably none) legitimate threats for which Little
> Snitch was ultimately the best defense.
>
> I think that LIttle Snitch is a waste of money and a nuisance.
>
> If, for some reason, you are concerned about malware and feel that
> you need protection (the overwhelming number of ordinary Mac users do
> completely without any sort of anti-virus software), I would instead
> recommend a really good commercial anti-virus program, like Intego's
> Virus Barrier.
> http://www.intego.com/virusbarrier
>
> Or, if you only feel that you need minimal protection, then this free
> anti-virus program does an excellent job of detecting legitimate
> threats (though it can't clean files of viruses, it can only delete
> infected files):
>
> ClamXav (free)
> http://www.clamxav.com
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: A new concern?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:26 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"keith_w @dslextreme.com" keith9600

One question for Randy:

Are those 'warnings' or 'alerts' valid?

keith whaley

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:30 AM, bob morin <rbmorin11@gmail.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
> >
> > Personally, I recommend *against* Little Snitch.
>
> I have little snitch but have turned it off. Terribly annoying. constantly
> giving you warnings.
>
> bob
>
>

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Re: A new concern?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:33 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"keith_w @dslextreme.com" keith9600

Sorry. I neglected to read all the replies. I did that and my questions are
answered.

keith

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 6:26 AM, keith_w @dslextreme.com <
keith_w@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> One question for Randy:
>
> Are those 'warnings' or 'alerts' valid?
>
> keith whaley
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:30 AM, bob morin <rbmorin11@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
>> >
>> > Personally, I recommend *against* Little Snitch.
>>
>> I have little snitch but have turned it off. Terribly annoying.
>> constantly giving you warnings.
>>
>> bob
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Quicken

Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:29 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup

On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:23 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:

> On Jul 13, 2012, at 11:06 PM, cnltnn wrote:
>
>> After some research, downloading my old Quicken 2005 to my 'new'
>> Mac Mini seems like a bad idea. After more research, buying Quicken
>> 2007 seems like a bad idea.
>
>> What "Personal Finance" type application on Mac is everyone using
>> these days?

There is no one program that "everyone" agrees on. I'm pretty happy with SEEFinance. My husband likes iBank. I tried MoneyDance (even paid for it) but found that for me, its importing function was faulty.

Daly

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Cloning

Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:31 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Dane Robison" macdane1

Good morning!

All this talk about clones has me wondering�oes anyone know of a good way to run two cloning operations simultaneously? I have the 500GB spinning drive that came with my MBP, plus a 240GB SSD I added a couple of months ago. I clone them regularly to two partitions on an external 1TB FireWire drive (which then gets backed up elsewhere) but I currently clone one drive and then the other. It sure would be nice to be able to do them at the same time. I have CCC and SD! but haven't found a way to use either of them for this. Hmm�nstead of *either* of them, could I use *both* of them? Have CCC clone one drive while at the same time SD! clones the other?

Thanks!
Dane

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Re: Cloning

Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:52 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Bill Boulware" boulware0224

No reason why not, as long as your computer has enough RAM and processing
power the IO is two different drives so there shouldn't be any conflict

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Dane Robison <macdane@mac.com> wrote:

> Good morning!
>
> All this talk about clones has me wondering�oes anyone know of a good way
> to run two cloning operations simultaneously? I have the 500GB spinning
> drive that came with my MBP, plus a 240GB SSD I added a couple of months
> ago. I clone them regularly to two partitions on an external 1TB FireWire
> drive (which then gets backed up elsewhere) but I currently clone one drive
> and then the other. It sure would be nice to be able to do them at the same
> time. I have CCC and SD! but haven't found a way to use either of them for
> this. Hmm�nstead of *either* of them, could I use *both* of them? Have CCC
> clone one drive while at the same time SD! clones the other?
>
> Thanks!
> Dane
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/>
>
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>
>
>
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Re: Cloning

Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:52 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"LouisD" ldina

Dane,

I use SuperDuper for all my backups. I traded emails with David at Shirt Pocket, since their Help files included this statement...

===================================
"Although it's not strictly necessary, it's usually a good practice to quit all running applications before performing a backup. Since there are some that aren't visible, like the Microsoft Office Database Daemon, it's easiest to log out of your account, and then log back in with the Shift key held down. This will prevent your startup items from running, and helps to ensure that your personal data doesn't change during the backup."
===================================

I only mention this since you are planning on running two backup apps simultaneously. I suspect it will work fine, but since we are talking about critical backups, you want to be sure it works!

In the past, if I booted from my cloned backup, some of my settings were a bit different that when booting from my normal Mac HD. I suspect this may have been because I did NOT quit all applications or login per the above. Since I want to insure I have as exact a backup as possible, I log out and log back in, holding down the Shift Key to disable start-up items, before going to bed. SuperDuper is scheduled to run every night at 1:00AM.

FWIW, I have multiple scheduled backups that run sequentially, while I snooze. First is an incremental smart backup my 240SSD (OS and Pgms) to my OS backup drive, and when that is done, my Data drive backups up to a dedicated data backup drive. Works great for me.

Lou

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Dane Robison <macdane@...> wrote:
>
> Good morning!
>
> All this talk about clones has me wondering�oes anyone know of a good way to run two cloning operations simultaneously? I have the 500GB spinning drive that came with my MBP, plus a 240GB SSD I added a couple of months ago. I clone them regularly to two partitions on an external 1TB FireWire drive (which then gets backed up elsewhere) but I currently clone one drive and then the other. It sure would be nice to be able to do them at the same time. I have CCC and SD! but haven't found a way to use either of them for this. Hmm�nstead of *either* of them, could I use *both* of them? Have CCC clone one drive while at the same time SD! clones the other?
>
> Thanks!
> Dane
>

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Re: Cloning

Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Les Streater" linernutuk

On 14 Jul 2012, at 16:52, LouisD wrote:

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"Although it's not strictly necessary, it's usually a good practice to quit all running applications before performing a backup. Since there are some that aren't visible, like the Microsoft Office Database Daemon, it's easiest to log out of your account, and then log back in with the Shift key held down. This will prevent your startup items from running, and helps to ensure that your personal data doesn't change during the backup."
===================================

Is this also true of CCC? Does anyone know what the differences might be?

Les Streater
www.lesstreater.com

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Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Keith" keith9600

I use an iMac with OS 10.7.4, SeaMonkey 2.10.1 and DSL Extreme webmail.

This talking after spelling and other errors has just started, perhaps two days ago. It may have accompanied an automatic update of one of my applications.
The voice is female and what with my impaired hearing I don't understand some of the words spoken.
I wonder who has a clue as to what program is responsible for this and how to perhaps even shut to off!

Thanks ahead of time,
keith whaley