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Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:33 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"cjwenzel60156" cjwenzel60156
A colleague who is considering a Mac to replace her aging PC is doing lots of research. She forwarded me the following article (http://www.zdnet.com/cross-platform-trojan-attacks-windows-intel-macs-linux-7000000872/ ). Is this anything to be concerned about in the grand scheme of things?
Caryl
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Caryl
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:03 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
A concern in what way? It's not a question of whether there is a concern, but the degree to which you need to be concerned now, and then how that might change in the future.
There will be attacks targeting all OS's in the future, including not just Windows, OSX, and Linux, but also iOS (iPhone/iPad), Android, Windows Mobile, etc... This particular attack is not a particular concern.
At this point, you MUST add malware security to any Windows system not behind an excellent firewall or you face imminent failure. This is not necessary on Mac systems... yet... because Apple has built basic protection into the OS (as of Snow Leopard). However, the general risk on Macs has risen to the level where the most cautious amongst are installing something extra (beyond what Apple has built-in) to protect their systems. This is precautionary.
In the near future, I would expect that phones and iPads will also need some reasonable protection, but that day has not yet arrived.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:33 PM, cjwenzel60156 wrote:
> A colleague who is considering a Mac to replace her aging PC is doing lots of research. She forwarded me the following article (http://www.zdnet.com/cross-platform-trojan-attacks-windows-intel-macs-linux-7000000872/ ). Is this anything to be concerned about in the grand scheme of things?
>
> Caryl
> --------------------------------
> iMac 20-inch
> OS 10.6.8
> 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
> 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
> -------------------------------
>
>
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There will be attacks targeting all OS's in the future, including not just Windows, OSX, and Linux, but also iOS (iPhone/iPad)
At this point, you MUST add malware security to any Windows system not behind an excellent firewall or you face imminent failure. This is not necessary on Mac systems... yet... because Apple has built basic protection into the OS (as of Snow Leopard). However, the general risk on Macs has risen to the level where the most cautious amongst are installing something extra (beyond what Apple has built-in) to protect their systems. This is precautionary.
In the near future, I would expect that phones and iPads will also need some reasonable protection, but that day has not yet arrived.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:33 PM, cjwenzel60156 wrote:
> A colleague who is considering a Mac to replace her aging PC is doing lots of research. She forwarded me the following article (http://www.zdnet.
>
> Caryl
> ------------
> iMac 20-inch
> OS 10.6.8
> 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
> 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
> ------------
>
>
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:04 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> A colleague who is considering a Mac to replace her aging PC is doing lots of research. She forwarded me the following article (http://www.zdnet.com/cross-platform-trojan-attacks-windows-intel-macs-linux-7000000872/ ). Is this anything to be concerned about in the grand scheme of things?
> Caryl
If she doesn't install Java, these can't do anything. (JavaSCRIPT is completely different, and OK.)
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> Caryl
If she doesn't install Java, these can't do anything. (JavaSCRIPT is completely different, and OK.)
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:28 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
As for your colleague's concerns. It is inconceivable that OSX will ever be as insecure as Windows, now or in the future. I don't like predicting the future, but this is a no-brainer. The Mac OSX is much harder to attack than Windows, and Windows is, and will remain, the larger of the two targets by many a huge margin.
While Mac users are more at risk than they once were, they will never face the level of risk that Windows users do.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:33 PM, cjwenzel60156 wrote:
> A colleague who is considering a Mac to replace her aging PC is doing lots of research. She forwarded me the following article (http://www.zdnet.com/cross-platform-trojan-attacks-windows-intel-macs-linux-7000000872/ ). Is this anything to be concerned about in the grand scheme of things?
>
> Caryl
> --------------------------------
> iMac 20-inch
> OS 10.6.8
> 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
> 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
> -------------------------------
>
>
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While Mac users are more at risk than they once were, they will never face the level of risk that Windows users do.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:33 PM, cjwenzel60156 wrote:
> A colleague who is considering a Mac to replace her aging PC is doing lots of research. She forwarded me the following article (http://www.zdnet.
>
> Caryl
> ------------
> iMac 20-inch
> OS 10.6.8
> 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
> 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
> ------------
>
>
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:37 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
You can back them up from within the application. See instructions for "Archiving" mailboxes. I recommend using this method of backup to create MBX files which are compatible with many clients and likely to be supported well into the future, even if Mail itself becomes obsolete.
I also recommend using Time Machine, which backs up all Mail email, as well as every other user file of consequence.
In Mail, attachments are not "detached" by default as they are in Eudora (one of my favorite features of Eudora). If you want to strip all the attachments from existing mail, you need a third party utility. I think that this has been discussed on this list with utilities recommended. If you do not "delete" attachments, they will be backed as part of the original email.
It is sad to move on from Eudora, but it is time. My Mac installs moved a while ago. I am slowly moving Windows clients from Eudora.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Carol wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to this group but have had Macs since 1987. The current (fifth) one is a MacBook Pro about 2 years old.
>
> Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but having some problems getting used to it.
>
> Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments? Eudora had them in a "Eudora Folder" but "Mail" does not have an equivalent folder. I want to know where they are so I can (1) be sure I back them up, and (2) delete attachments or open them with any application I want to use.
>
> A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder there.
>
> Assistance appreciated. adTHANKSvance!
>
>
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I also recommend using Time Machine, which backs up all Mail email, as well as every other user file of consequence.
In Mail, attachments are not "detached" by default as they are in Eudora (one of my favorite features of Eudora). If you want to strip all the attachments from existing mail, you need a third party utility. I think that this has been discussed on this list with utilities recommended. If you do not "delete" attachments, they will be backed as part of the original email.
It is sad to move on from Eudora, but it is time. My Mac installs moved a while ago. I am slowly moving Windows clients from Eudora.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Carol wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to this group but have had Macs since 1987. The current (fifth) one is a MacBook Pro about 2 years old.
>
> Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but having some problems getting used to it.
>
> Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments? Eudora had them in a "Eudora Folder" but "Mail" does not have an equivalent folder. I want to know where they are so I can (1) be sure I back them up, and (2) delete attachments or open them with any application I want to use.
>
> A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder there.
>
> Assistance appreciated. adTHANKSvance!
>
>
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:39 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
Sorry, I did not answer your original question. In Lion, the mail is stored in your user folder in Library/Mail and Library/Mail Downloads. These folders are hidden by default.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Carol wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to this group but have had Macs since 1987. The current (fifth) one is a MacBook Pro about 2 years old.
>
> Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but having some problems getting used to it.
>
> Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments? Eudora had them in a "Eudora Folder" but "Mail" does not have an equivalent folder. I want to know where they are so I can (1) be sure I back them up, and (2) delete attachments or open them with any application I want to use.
>
> A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder there.
>
> Assistance appreciated. adTHANKSvance!
>
>
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Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Carol wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to this group but have had Macs since 1987. The current (fifth) one is a MacBook Pro about 2 years old.
>
> Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but having some problems getting used to it.
>
> Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments? Eudora had them in a "Eudora Folder" but "Mail" does not have an equivalent folder. I want to know where they are so I can (1) be sure I back them up, and (2) delete attachments or open them with any application I want to use.
>
> A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder there.
>
> Assistance appreciated. adTHANKSvance!
>
>
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:46 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
Correction. Attachments ARE detached by default in both Snow and Lion. If you really want the scary details, here you go...
http://lifehacker.com/5841097/how-to-delete-or-archive-attachments-in-apple-mail-and-free-up-disk-space
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Carol wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to this group but have had Macs since 1987. The current (fifth) one is a MacBook Pro about 2 years old.
>
> Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but having some problems getting used to it.
>
> Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments? Eudora had them in a "Eudora Folder" but "Mail" does not have an equivalent folder. I want to know where they are so I can (1) be sure I back them up, and (2) delete attachments or open them with any application I want to use.
>
> A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder there.
>
> Assistance appreciated. adTHANKSvance!
>
>
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http://lifehacker.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Carol wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to this group but have had Macs since 1987. The current (fifth) one is a MacBook Pro about 2 years old.
>
> Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but having some problems getting used to it.
>
> Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments? Eudora had them in a "Eudora Folder" but "Mail" does not have an equivalent folder. I want to know where they are so I can (1) be sure I back them up, and (2) delete attachments or open them with any application I want to use.
>
> A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder there.
>
> Assistance appreciated. adTHANKSvance!
>
>
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Apple's Mail program has a folder in the user Library folder. This is
where your mail, mailboxes, attachments, etc., all are.
In Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, this Library folder is invisible (not a good
idea IMO).
You can make it visible temporarily by clicking Finder's Go menu WHILE
pressing the Option key.
You can then open this Library folder. If you then drag the little
blue folder icon to the left of Library on the window's Title bar to
your Sidebar it will stay in the Sidebar as a visible item and be
available for future use.
In Users/.../Library/ see the Mail sub folder.
One of the great features that Eudora did was to deal with attachments
in a very good way. For example, Eudora could separate out inline
smiling dogs and cats gif files and then put JPEG or other attached
files in a different place. You've lost that wonderful ability when
using nearly all other email programs.
However, Apple's Mail program has a number of very good features
including body text being indexed and searchable by Spotlight. An
ability to export mailboxes. An ability to be scripted and automated
using Automator.
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:14:20 +0000, Carol wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to this group but have had Macs since 1987. The current
> (fifth) one is a MacBook Pro about 2 years old.
>
> Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know
> that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for
> about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but
> having some problems getting used to it.
>
> Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments? Eudora had
> them in a "Eudora Folder" but "Mail" does not have an equivalent
> folder. I want to know where they are so I can (1) be sure I back
> them up, and (2) delete attachments or open them with any application
> I want to use.
>
> A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library
> inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder
> there.
>
> Assistance appreciated. adTHANKSvance!
Apple's Mail program has a folder in the user Library folder. This is
where your mail, mailboxes, attachments, etc., all are.
In Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, this Library folder is invisible (not a good
idea IMO).
You can make it visible temporarily by clicking Finder's Go menu WHILE
pressing the Option key.
You can then open this Library folder. If you then drag the little
blue folder icon to the left of Library on the window's Title bar to
your Sidebar it will stay in the Sidebar as a visible item and be
available for future use.
In Users/.../Library/ see the Mail sub folder.
One of the great features that Eudora did was to deal with attachments
in a very good way. For example, Eudora could separate out inline
smiling dogs and cats gif files and then put JPEG or other attached
files in a different place. You've lost that wonderful ability when
using nearly all other email programs.
However, Apple's Mail program has a number of very good features
including body text being indexed and searchable by Spotlight. An
ability to export mailboxes. An ability to be scripted and automated
using Automator.
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:14:20 +0000, Carol wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to this group but have had Macs since 1987. The current
> (fifth) one is a MacBook Pro about 2 years old.
>
> Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know
> that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for
> about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but
> having some problems getting used to it.
>
> Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments? Eudora had
> them in a "Eudora Folder" but "Mail" does not have an equivalent
> folder. I want to know where they are so I can (1) be sure I back
> them up, and (2) delete attachments or open them with any application
> I want to use.
>
> A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library
> inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder
> there.
>
> Assistance appreciated. adTHANKSvance!
Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:14 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> Recently I upgraded to OS 10.7.4 for good reasons, but didn't know that it would not let me use Eudora for mail, which I have used for about 15 years. Now I'm using "Mail" which came with my MBP, but having some problems getting used to it.
>
> Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments?
./Users/<UserName>/Library/Mail/V2/
./Users/jimdoc/Library/Mail Downloads/
> A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder there.
Not long after Lion was released, Macworld magazine listed 19 ways to make the ~/Library folder available to the user. One of the easiest is to:
1. Click on the Desktop,
2. Go to the "Go" menu, and click on "Go To Folder" (<Command><Shift><G>)
3. Enter /Users/<UserName>/Library/ there (using *your* username of course)
4. When that folder opens in a Finder window, click-and-hold on the folder icon in the titlebar of the window and drag it to the upper part of the left pane of the Finder window.
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>
> Most notably, where are the mail files and attachments?
./Users/<UserName>
./Users/jimdoc/
> A search with Finder finds attachments in a folder called Library inside a folder with my name, but I can't find the Library folder there.
Not long after Lion was released, Macworld magazine listed 19 ways to make the ~/Library folder available to the user. One of the easiest is to:
1. Click on the Desktop,
2. Go to the "Go" menu, and click on "Go To Folder" (<Command><Shift>
3. Enter /Users/<UserName>
4. When that folder opens in a Finder window, click-and-hold on the folder icon in the titlebar of the window and drag it to the upper part of the left pane of the Finder window.
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:39 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jurgen Richter" epsongroups
To summarize, Migration Assistant is best used to transfer your user and
account settings from one Mac to another. In my experience that is its
best use, and you can select what you want to migrate as far as that
goes. To then move files over, target disk mode is most efficient as
your target mac is mounted on the host mac's desktop as a drive, and you
don't have to worry about ethernet or wifi connectivity speeds. From
here you just copy files from one folder on the old drive to the new
computer.
The OP wanted to move the iTunes library and this is one place where
this process is ideal. It moves the iTunes user info to the new machine
(arguably I can't confirm if it moves the library too). Personally I
moved the old library folder's contents to the new library folder and
everything was there. Secondarily, if never using the old computer
iTunes account again, the OP should also deauthorize that computer from
within iTunes after moving the account - it frees up another user slot
for future use.
account settings from one Mac to another. In my experience that is its
best use, and you can select what you want to migrate as far as that
goes. To then move files over, target disk mode is most efficient as
your target mac is mounted on the host mac's desktop as a drive, and you
don't have to worry about ethernet or wifi connectivity speeds. From
here you just copy files from one folder on the old drive to the new
computer.
The OP wanted to move the iTunes library and this is one place where
this process is ideal. It moves the iTunes user info to the new machine
(arguably I can't confirm if it moves the library too). Personally I
moved the old library folder's contents to the new library folder and
everything was there. Secondarily, if never using the old computer
iTunes account again, the OP should also deauthorize that computer from
within iTunes after moving the account - it frees up another user slot
for future use.
Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:48 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Eric" emanmb
Mis-read, mis-did, mis-cut & pasted, missed something. Mai roo.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
>
> I've read the article at
> <http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10357452-263.html >
>
> I'm sorry, but you didn't read it properly, did you? Even so, the warning
> there is nothing like strong enough.
>
> Otto
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> I've read the article at
> <http://reviews.
>
> I'm sorry, but you didn't read it properly, did you? Even so, the warning
> there is nothing like strong enough.
>
> Otto
Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
This is not correct.
If you buy Lion and download Lion and then later find that you forgot
to make a Lion boot/install DVD, or make a Lion boot/install flash
drive, you can go to app store, access your Apple account with your
password, and download the Lion installer again.
The first time Lion is downloaded to the Desktop and from that file you
can make flash and/or DVD disc. You do this BEFORE you install Lion
the first time because after it's installed the downloaded installer is
deleted.
The second time Lion is downloaded it is placed in your Applications
folder. From that downloaded you can make the Lion boot/install DVD
and a flash drive. Lion installer is then kept in the Applications
folder.
- - - - -
Note that it is legal to transfer ownership of an Apple software
license to use software. This is covered in a clause of Apples
Licensing Agreement (the lawyers talking). It is usually stated as a
one time legal right to transfer.
You should ask the selling of your used Mac to do this and transfer
rights to the software license to you.
Denver Dan
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:29:57 +0000, HAL9000 wrote:
> If I read correct you cannot buy Lion and download(reinstall), is
> that right? I would suggest getting a second drive. Installing
> whatever system on it and booting from the new drive, then recover as
> many files as possible. But it's just a suggestion. Others are more
> qualified or at least they think they are.
This is not correct.
If you buy Lion and download Lion and then later find that you forgot
to make a Lion boot/install DVD, or make a Lion boot/install flash
drive, you can go to app store, access your Apple account with your
password, and download the Lion installer again.
The first time Lion is downloaded to the Desktop and from that file you
can make flash and/or DVD disc. You do this BEFORE you install Lion
the first time because after it's installed the downloaded installer is
deleted.
The second time Lion is downloaded it is placed in your Applications
folder. From that downloaded you can make the Lion boot/install DVD
and a flash drive. Lion installer is then kept in the Applications
folder.
- - - - -
Note that it is legal to transfer ownership of an Apple software
license to use software. This is covered in a clause of Apples
Licensing Agreement (the lawyers talking). It is usually stated as a
one time legal right to transfer.
You should ask the selling of your used Mac to do this and transfer
rights to the software license to you.
Denver Dan
On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:29:57 +0000, HAL9000 wrote:
> If I read correct you cannot buy Lion and download(reinstall)
> that right? I would suggest getting a second drive. Installing
> whatever system on it and booting from the new drive, then recover as
> many files as possible. But it's just a suggestion. Others are more
> qualified or at least they think they are.
Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:01 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> The first time Lion is downloaded to the Desktop and from that file you can make flash and/or DVD disc. You do this BEFORE you install Lion the first time because after it's installed the downloaded installer is deleted.
It is deleted if you do not MOVE it before running it.
> The second time Lion is downloaded it is placed in your Applications folder. From that downloaded you can make the Lion boot/install DVD and a flash drive. Lion installer is then kept in the Applications folder.
Or anywhere else you want to keep it.
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It is deleted if you do not MOVE it before running it.
> The second time Lion is downloaded it is placed in your Applications folder. From that downloaded you can make the Lion boot/install DVD and a flash drive. Lion installer is then kept in the Applications folder.
Or anywhere else you want to keep it.
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> you can go to app store, access your Apple account with your
> password, and download the Lion installer again.
I believe the dilemma here is that you can only do this if you have a current OSX installation with the App Store installed. If your drive has failed, you will not have this. So, what to do?
Is it really the case that currently delivered systems do not include a Lion installation disk, or is this only a problem for Lion upgrades?
Cheers,
tod
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> you can go to app store, access your Apple account with your
> password, and download the Lion installer again.
I believe the dilemma here is that you can only do this if you have a current OSX installation with the App Store installed. If your drive has failed, you will not have this. So, what to do?
Is it really the case that currently delivered systems do not include a Lion installation disk, or is this only a problem for Lion upgrades?
Cheers,
tod
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Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:51 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Robert" cookrd1
I finally ran across some info specific for this late-2008 MBP that said there is an EFI bug (fixed in 2009 models) that causes some SATA III devices to not be recognized. And, this seems to be especially true for Sandforce controllers. Also, many comments about SATA II not working reliably either, and usually dropping back to SATA 1 speeds.
I think the message here is to not waste your money on an SSD upgrade for the MBP 5,1. Even if it works, its speed may not make the upgrade worth the effort.
BTW, the SSD did not come from OWC, it is a Kingston and Kingston tech support did not have a clue about this issue. I note that OWC offers SSD's for the MBP 5,1 but I didn't notice any speed issues (but I thought at least some of their SSD's used a Sandforce controller).
As much as MS gets trashed on this forum, it is interesting to note that Win computers don't have this issue. And, Win8 will run on almost anything whereas ML requires at least a C2D and a good GPU. Not that I have any great love for MS.
Oh well. Now my almost 4 year old Gateway laptop has an SSD. The only reason that computer still works is because I only used it for a few months before switching to Apple.
Thanks, everyone, for all your help.
-Bob
I think the message here is to not waste your money on an SSD upgrade for the MBP 5,1. Even if it works, its speed may not make the upgrade worth the effort.
BTW, the SSD did not come from OWC, it is a Kingston and Kingston tech support did not have a clue about this issue. I note that OWC offers SSD's for the MBP 5,1 but I didn't notice any speed issues (but I thought at least some of their SSD's used a Sandforce controller).
As much as MS gets trashed on this forum, it is interesting to note that Win computers don't have this issue. And, Win8 will run on almost anything whereas ML requires at least a C2D and a good GPU. Not that I have any great love for MS.
Oh well. Now my almost 4 year old Gateway laptop has an SSD. The only reason that computer still works is because I only used it for a few months before switching to Apple.
Thanks, everyone, for all your help.
-Bob
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