Once again, as the OS changes I am willing to be one of those who moves to the new OS only when I have to. It seems we go through this regular, " I just upgraded my system was and now I (fill in the problem of choice)". In the months or year or so following the new released OS many of these problems seem to be resolved by additional improvements by Apple and then eventually the OS works right.

I think I'll stick with 10.6.8 for another year or so... maybe two.

I never did like being point man.

John

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:23 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"keith_w @dslextreme.com" keith9600

I too resisted leaving 10.6.8. But, when circumstanced dictated I move on
from my 5 year old iMac to a newer one, I chose a mid-2011 refurb. Best of
all worlds in almost every respect, except...it came with OS 10.7.3
preloaded!
I did not WANT that but, it was an Apple refurb I bought and they load the
latest OS into any machine they sell.
Long story shorter, I have now had it since May. This OS is indeed
different from my Snow Leopard, but... I assure you, it works well, and
there are no glitches obvious yet for me, pretty much a low demand user.
<grin>

All my premonitions of being periodically shut down or thwarted in my usual
activities were essentially unfounded. I was "given" an upgrade to 10.7.4
one day earlier this month, and again...totally without a hitch.

The deviations from my standard methods of operation were minimal and all
in all, insignificant.

Like Mikey does, "Try it, you'll LIKE it!"

keith whaley

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:26 AM, John Mills <jsm5320432@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Once again, as the OS changes I am willing to be one of those who moves to
> the new OS only when I have to. It seems we go through this regular, " I
> just upgraded my system was and now I (fill in the problem of choice)". In
> the months or year or so following the new released OS many of these
> problems seem to be resolved by additional improvements by Apple and then
> eventually the OS works right.
>
> I think I'll stick with 10.6.8 for another year or so... maybe two.
>
> I never did like being point man.
>
> John
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"LouisD" ldina

Quick Question....

I downloaded Lion from the App Store. It stuck the Lion icon in my dock, and after it finished downloading, it displayed this message:

---------------------------------
"Mac OS X Lion
To set up the installation of Mac OS X 10.7, click Continue"
---------------------------------

I'm hesitant to click "continue" at this point because I really wanted to make a DVD copy of Lion and the Installer before proceeding.

I wasn't really ready to install and expected the file to download to my normal downloads folder as a package or archive.

Suggestions?

Lou

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"John Engberg" mrmacbyte

On Jul 20, 2012, at 3:30 PM, LouisD wrote:

> Quick Question....
>
> I downloaded Lion from the App Store. It stuck the Lion icon in my dock, and after it finished downloading, it displayed this message:
>
> ---------------------------------
> "Mac OS X Lion
> To set up the installation of Mac OS X 10.7, click Continue"
> ---------------------------------
>
> I'm hesitant to click "continue" at this point because I really wanted to make a DVD copy of Lion and the Installer before proceeding.
>
> I wasn't really ready to install and expected the file to download to my normal downloads folder as a package or archive.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Lou
>
There is a Lion installer app in your Applications folder. Burn that to a DVD or copy it to a flash drive. Then go ahead and install Lion. You might have to close the installer on your desktop before you can burn/copy the installer app. I've forgotten. If you do the install before you copy the installer, the installer goes away.

John Engberg

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"LouisD" ldina

Thanks, John.

I actually Quit the Lion installer from the dock and found the Installer App in my applications folder. I'm going to burn the App to DVD right now.

Lou

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2012, at 3:30 PM, LouisD wrote:
>
> > Quick Question....
> >
> > I downloaded Lion from the App Store. It stuck the Lion icon in my dock, and after it finished downloading, it displayed this message:
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > "Mac OS X Lion
> > To set up the installation of Mac OS X 10.7, click Continue"
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > I'm hesitant to click "continue" at this point because I really wanted to make a DVD copy of Lion and the Installer before proceeding.
> >
> > I wasn't really ready to install and expected the file to download to my normal downloads folder as a package or archive.
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Lou
> >
> There is a Lion installer app in your Applications folder. Burn that to a DVD or copy it to a flash drive. Then go ahead and install Lion. You might have to close the installer on your desktop before you can burn/copy the installer app. I've forgotten. If you do the install before you copy the installer, the installer goes away.
>
> John Engberg
>

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:53 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"LouisD" ldina

Thanks for the help, everyone. I now have my MacPro set up with Lion on one drive and Snow Leopard with all my legacy PPC programs on the other. Just a few more questions.

1. I updated from Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Lion 10.7.4 (I did NOT do a fresh install from scratch). Does "updating" from Snow Leopard install a recovery partition? If so, where is it?

2. I have 6 or 8 programs on my Lion boot drive that won't work under Lion and need to be uninstalled. Some programs have uninstallers, which I will use, but some do not. What's the best way to remove those programs that won't work under Lion?

I have a lot of checking to do to be sure everything is working properly, but so far so good.

(Daly, it WAS a lot easier than I thought it would be, but having not done this before, I tend to be cautious and look before I leap. All too often, software doesn't warn you about things until it is too late.)

I appreciate all the great help.

Lou

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"T Hopkins" todhop

I like Appcleaner, but I use it in Snow Leopard. Not sure about Lion compat. In fact, I was going to recommend you use it to root out incompatible programs before you upgrade, as I just did the other day. Oh, well.

Appcleaner is simple and free.

Cheers,
tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com

On Jul 20, 2012, at 7:53 PM, LouisD wrote:

> Thanks for the help, everyone. I now have my MacPro set up with Lion on one drive and Snow Leopard with all my legacy PPC programs on the other. Just a few more questions.
>
> 1. I updated from Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Lion 10.7.4 (I did NOT do a fresh install from scratch). Does "updating" from Snow Leopard install a recovery partition? If so, where is it?
>
> 2. I have 6 or 8 programs on my Lion boot drive that won't work under Lion and need to be uninstalled. Some programs have uninstallers, which I will use, but some do not. What's the best way to remove those programs that won't work under Lion?
>
> I have a lot of checking to do to be sure everything is working properly, but so far so good.
>
> (Daly, it WAS a lot easier than I thought it would be, but having not done this before, I tend to be cautious and look before I leap. All too often, software doesn't warn you about things until it is too late.)
>
> I appreciate all the great help.
>
> Lou
>
>

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"LouisD" ldina

Thanks, Tod. I'll check it out.

I assume AppCleaner will only remove selected applications and associated files from your boot drive?

I wouldn't want it to remove these same apps from other drives on my system, since that was the whole point of creating a dual O/S system. I want these old apps to remain on my Snow Leopard HDD.

Thanks, and have a good weekend.

Lou

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, T Hopkins <hoplist@...> wrote:
>
> I like Appcleaner, but I use it in Snow Leopard. Not sure about Lion compat. In fact, I was going to recommend you use it to root out incompatible programs before you upgrade, as I just did the other day. Oh, well.
>
> Appcleaner is simple and free.
>
> Cheers,
> tod
>
> Tod Hopkins
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2012, at 7:53 PM, LouisD wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the help, everyone. I now have my MacPro set up with Lion on one drive and Snow Leopard with all my legacy PPC programs on the other. Just a few more questions.
> >
> > 1. I updated from Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Lion 10.7.4 (I did NOT do a fresh install from scratch). Does "updating" from Snow Leopard install a recovery partition? If so, where is it?
> >
> > 2. I have 6 or 8 programs on my Lion boot drive that won't work under Lion and need to be uninstalled. Some programs have uninstallers, which I will use, but some do not. What's the best way to remove those programs that won't work under Lion?
> >
> > I have a lot of checking to do to be sure everything is working properly, but so far so good.
> >
> > (Daly, it WAS a lot easier than I thought it would be, but having not done this before, I tend to be cautious and look before I leap. All too often, software doesn't warn you about things until it is too late.)
> >
> > I appreciate all the great help.
> >
> > Lou
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:19 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> I updated from Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Lion 10.7.4 (I did NOT do a fresh install from scratch). Does "updating" from Snow Leopard install a recovery partition? If so, where is it?

I think it does (I did a clean install). Open Disk Utility; if there is a Recovery Partition, it should be listed in the left pane, ghosted as "unmounted".

> I have 6 or 8 programs on my Lion boot drive that won't work under Lion and need to be uninstalled. Some programs have uninstallers, which I will use, but some do not. What's the best way to remove those programs that won't work under Lion?

Drag to trash; empty trash. If you want to be compulsive, run Easyfind
(<http://www.devontechnologies.com/download/products.html>)
and search for <appname> to see if there are prefs files or support files tucked away in random corners of your drive.

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:22 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup

On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:53 PM, LouisD wrote:

> Thanks for the help, everyone. I now have my MacPro set up with Lion on one drive and Snow Leopard with all my legacy PPC programs on the other. Just a few more questions.

Good for you! And it wasn't hard, was it.

> 1. I updated from Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Lion 10.7.4 (I did NOT do a fresh install from scratch). Does "updating" from Snow Leopard install a recovery partition? If so, where is it?

Don't know.

> 2. I have 6 or 8 programs on my Lion boot drive that won't work under Lion and need to be uninstalled. Some programs have uninstallers, which I will use, but some do not. What's the best way to remove those programs that won't work under Lion?

If they don't have uninstallers, just drag the apps to the trash. And if you can find Preferences for that app, delete those, too. But you will never hear from them again if you just drag them to the trash. Oh, look in ~/Library/Application Support/ to see if there is anything there for the apps, but I seriously doubt it, given that they were PPC apps.

> (Daly, it WAS a lot easier than I thought it would be, but having not done this before, I tend to be cautious and look before I leap. All too often, software doesn't warn you about things until it is too late.)

No, you did a good job. Now just be brave about deleting the old apps on the Lion disk, and stop worrying about it. You're home free.

Daly

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"LouisD" ldina

Thanks, Jim.

There is no Recovery Partition shown in Disk Utility, so I guess you need a clean install for that feature.

Lou

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@...> wrote:
>
> > I updated from Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Lion 10.7.4 (I did NOT do a fresh install from scratch). Does "updating" from Snow Leopard install a recovery partition? If so, where is it?
>
> I think it does (I did a clean install). Open Disk Utility; if there is a Recovery Partition, it should be listed in the left pane, ghosted as "unmounted".
>
> > I have 6 or 8 programs on my Lion boot drive that won't work under Lion and need to be uninstalled. Some programs have uninstallers, which I will use, but some do not. What's the best way to remove those programs that won't work under Lion?
>
> Drag to trash; empty trash. If you want to be compulsive, run Easyfind
> (<http://www.devontechnologies.com/download/products.html>)
> and search for <appname> to see if there are prefs files or support files tucked away in random corners of your drive.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@...
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:46 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"LouisD" ldina

Thanks again, Daly.

Remember, I am coming from 20+ years of using Windows, so if you look at the damn thing sideways, it craters on you! No wonder I'm paranoid!

I'm getting there.

Lou

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Daly Jessup <jessup@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:53 PM, LouisD wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the help, everyone. I now have my MacPro set up with Lion on one drive and Snow Leopard with all my legacy PPC programs on the other. Just a few more questions.
>
> Good for you! And it wasn't hard, was it.
>
> > 1. I updated from Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Lion 10.7.4 (I did NOT do a fresh install from scratch). Does "updating" from Snow Leopard install a recovery partition? If so, where is it?
>
> Don't know.
>
> > 2. I have 6 or 8 programs on my Lion boot drive that won't work under Lion and need to be uninstalled. Some programs have uninstallers, which I will use, but some do not. What's the best way to remove those programs that won't work under Lion?
>
> If they don't have uninstallers, just drag the apps to the trash. And if you can find Preferences for that app, delete those, too. But you will never hear from them again if you just drag them to the trash. Oh, look in ~/Library/Application Support/ to see if there is anything there for the apps, but I seriously doubt it, given that they were PPC apps.
>
> > (Daly, it WAS a lot easier than I thought it would be, but having not done this before, I tend to be cautious and look before I leap. All too often, software doesn't warn you about things until it is too late.)
>
> No, you did a good job. Now just be brave about deleting the old apps on the Lion disk, and stop worrying about it. You're home free.
>
> Daly
>

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Re: What's the best way to run a Dual O/S?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Denver Dan" denverdan22180

The Lion Recovery partition is invisible.

Check for it by restarting with Command r pressed (r for recovery). Or, restart with Option pressed and then select the OS you want to boot from using the arrow keys on keyboard.

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On Jul 20, 2012, at 10:46 PM, "LouisD" <lou@loudina.com> wrote:

> Thanks again, Daly.
>
> Remember, I am coming from 20+ years of using Windows, so if you look at the damn thing sideways, it craters on you! No wonder I'm paranoid!
>
> I'm getting there.
>
> Lou
>
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Daly Jessup <jessup@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:53 PM, LouisD wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the help, everyone. I now have my MacPro set up with Lion on one drive and Snow Leopard with all my legacy PPC programs on the other. Just a few more questions.
>>
>> Good for you! And it wasn't hard, was it.
>>
>>> 1. I updated from Snow Leopard 10.6.8 to Lion 10.7.4 (I did NOT do a fresh install from scratch). Does "updating" from Snow Leopard install a recovery partition? If so, where is it?
>>
>> Don't know.
>>
>>> 2. I have 6 or 8 programs on my Lion boot drive that won't work under Lion and need to be uninstalled. Some programs have uninstallers, which I will use, but some do not. What's the best way to remove those programs that won't work under Lion?
>>
>> If they don't have uninstallers, just drag the apps to the trash. And if you can find Preferences for that app, delete those, too. But you will never hear from them again if you just drag them to the trash. Oh, look in ~/Library/Application Support/ to see if there is anything there for the apps, but I seriously doubt it, given that they were PPC apps.
>>
>>> (Daly, it WAS a lot easier than I thought it would be, but having not done this before, I tend to be cautious and look before I leap. All too often, software doesn't warn you about things until it is too late.)
>>
>> No, you did a good job. Now just be brave about deleting the old apps on the Lion disk, and stop worrying about it. You're home free.
>>
>> Daly
>>
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Non-Apple Repair Recommendations?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"T Hopkins" todhop

Macbook Pro just out of warranty refuses to start. No Applecare. In any case, the problem may be water/moisture caused. I am familiar with some flat price Internet repair sites and have been told there is one that specializes in water damage.

Can anyone recommend any of these repair services from experience? I've only ever used local, Apple authorized shops.

BTW this is not my system. I'm only helping out. I've already recommended that they have the Apple Genius Bar evaluate it first, which is scheduled for tomorrow morning. I'm just anticipating the next step.

Cheers,
tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com

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Re: Non-Apple Repair Recommendations?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:49 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Barry Austern" barryaus

At 9:37 PM -0400 7/20/12, T Hopkins wrote:

>
>
>Macbook Pro just out of warranty refuses to start. No Applecare. In
>any case, the problem may be water/moisture caused. I am familiar
>with some flat price Internet repair sites and have been told there
>is one that specializes in water damage.
>
>Can anyone recommend any of these repair services from experience?
>I've only ever used local, Apple authorized shops.

Try the local Apple Store genius bar. If truly just out of warranty
they might cut a deal with you cheaper than a 3rd party might do.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net