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Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:12 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
The wrong mode? As in using Phrygian instead of Mixolydian? Locrian
instead of Aeolian? :-)
Denver Dan
p.s. What IS the wrong mode? An inquiring mind needs to know.
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:01:54 -0400, Harry Flaxman wrote:
> On 7/30/2012 12:51 PM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
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<http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9229773/Customers_grab_3M_copies_of_OS_X_Mountain_Lion_says_Apple?source=CTWNLE_nlt_os_2012-07-30 >
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>
> Composed this in the wrong mode.
>
> Sorry for the mess.
>
> Harry
The wrong mode? As in using Phrygian instead of Mixolydian? Locrian
instead of Aeolian? :-)
Denver Dan
p.s. What IS the wrong mode? An inquiring mind needs to know.
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:01:54 -0400, Harry Flaxman wrote:
> On 7/30/2012 12:51 PM, Harry Flaxman wrote:
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<http://www.computer
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>
> Composed this in the wrong mode.
>
> Sorry for the mess.
>
> Harry
Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Harry Flaxman" hflaxman001
On 7/30/2012 1:12 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> The wrong mode? As in using Phrygian instead of Mixolydian? Locrian
> instead of Aeolian?:-)
>
> Denver Dan
:)
As in Thunderbird under Win 7 (yucch)
H
> Howdy.
>
> The wrong mode? As in using Phrygian instead of Mixolydian? Locrian
> instead of Aeolian?:-)
>
> Denver Dan
:)
As in Thunderbird under Win 7 (yucch)
H
Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:47 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Nanci Harvey" motherfive_2006
Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac with tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do this at home or do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at home what do I buy and is it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so much.
Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:15 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
I assume you want to upgrade the OS?
It is fairly simple but first you have to tell us which mini it is as this
dictates the latest OS X version you can install. See if you can identify
it here
<http://lowendmac.com/mini/mac-mini-index.html >
You can also go to Apple menu > About this Mac and tell us what it says for
Processor and Memory.
Otto
On 30 July 2012 17:51, Nanci Harvey <motherfive_2006@yahoo.ca > wrote:
> Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac with
> tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do this at home or
> do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at home what do I buy and is
> it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so much.
>
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It is fairly simple but first you have to tell us which mini it is as this
dictates the latest OS X version you can install. See if you can identify
it here
<http://lowendmac.
You can also go to Apple menu > About this Mac and tell us what it says for
Processor and Memory.
Otto
On 30 July 2012 17:51, Nanci Harvey <motherfive_2006@
> Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac with
> tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do this at home or
> do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at home what do I buy and is
> it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so much.
>
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:30 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
First, Nanci, no one can help until we have some more information from
you about your Macintosh computer model.
Second, can we assume you want to upgrade from Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to
Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion?
That is a very big upgrade since you would be jumping past Leopard,
Snow Leopard, and Lion. This major jump covers a whole slew of
changing technology and old technology dropped and abandoned.
It is very possible that you would need to do a lot more than just
"upgrade" the Mac OS X system.
Here are some important things to find out first.
1. If your Mac Mini is a PowerPC mini (rather than the newer Intel
processor Minis), then you are out of luck. It's too old to upgrade to
Mountain Lion.
2. Do you have an AppleTalk printer? AppleTalk networking support was
removed in Snow Leopard.
3. Are you using PowerPC coded software programs? If so you are out
of luck. In order to run a PowerPC coded application on an Intel
processor Mac, something called Rosetta is required and Rosetta is no
longer part of the Mountain Lion system.
Denver Dan
Just as an FYI, here are the Mac OS X system numbers and cat names
listed with the date the OS was released:
10.0 Cheetah - March 2001
10.1 Puma - September 2001
10.2 Jaguar - August 2002
10.3 Panther - October 2003
10.4 Tiger - April 2005
10.5 Leopard - October 2007
10.6 Snow Leopard - August 2009
10.7 Lion - July 2011
10.8 Mountain Lion - July 2012
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT), Nanci Harvey wrote:
> Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac
> with tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do this
> at home or do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at home what
> do I buy and is it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so much.
First, Nanci, no one can help until we have some more information from
you about your Macintosh computer model.
Second, can we assume you want to upgrade from Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to
Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion?
That is a very big upgrade since you would be jumping past Leopard,
Snow Leopard, and Lion. This major jump covers a whole slew of
changing technology and old technology dropped and abandoned.
It is very possible that you would need to do a lot more than just
"upgrade" the Mac OS X system.
Here are some important things to find out first.
1. If your Mac Mini is a PowerPC mini (rather than the newer Intel
processor Minis), then you are out of luck. It's too old to upgrade to
Mountain Lion.
2. Do you have an AppleTalk printer? AppleTalk networking support was
removed in Snow Leopard.
3. Are you using PowerPC coded software programs? If so you are out
of luck. In order to run a PowerPC coded application on an Intel
processor Mac, something called Rosetta is required and Rosetta is no
longer part of the Mountain Lion system.
Denver Dan
Just as an FYI, here are the Mac OS X system numbers and cat names
listed with the date the OS was released:
10.0 Cheetah - March 2001
10.1 Puma - September 2001
10.2 Jaguar - August 2002
10.3 Panther - October 2003
10.4 Tiger - April 2005
10.5 Leopard - October 2007
10.6 Snow Leopard - August 2009
10.7 Lion - July 2011
10.8 Mountain Lion - July 2012
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT), Nanci Harvey wrote:
> Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac
> with tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do this
> at home or do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at home what
> do I buy and is it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so much.
Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:45 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Kunga" taylor_barcroft
Tiger Mac minis go from Tiger to Lion 10.7.4 Max with a maximum of 4GB of RAM. Your model missed the cut for Mountain Lion.
Where are you? If you are in the SF Bay area I can help you.
The smartest thing to do is to find someone who has a Lion install DVD or Flash Drive and to put it on your Mac mini with 4GB of RAM and then sell it for $400 and buy the next - not out yet - Ivy Bridge Mac mini for $599 and it will be running radically faster then the Mac mini you have.
We expect the new Mac mini to be announced this week or next. Any day now. It will ship with 4 or 8GB of RAM max 16GB and includes USB 3 ports and HDMI out. Your Mac mini is not worth putting any money into. It is more valuable to you as an item you can convert into cash you can put towards the new model. Craig's List is your friend.
Taylor
On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com > wrote:
> I assume you want to upgrade the OS?
>
> It is fairly simple but first you have to tell us which mini it is as this
> dictates the latest OS X version you can install. See if you can identify
> it here
> <http://lowendmac.com/mini/mac-mini-index.html >
>
> You can also go to Apple menu > About this Mac and tell us what it says for
> Processor and Memory.
>
> Otto
>
> On 30 July 2012 17:51, Nanci Harvey <motherfive_2006@yahoo.ca > wrote:
>
>> Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac with
>> tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do this at home or
>> do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at home what do I buy and is
>> it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so much.
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Where are you? If you are in the SF Bay area I can help you.
The smartest thing to do is to find someone who has a Lion install DVD or Flash Drive and to put it on your Mac mini with 4GB of RAM and then sell it for $400 and buy the next - not out yet - Ivy Bridge Mac mini for $599 and it will be running radically faster then the Mac mini you have.
We expect the new Mac mini to be announced this week or next. Any day now. It will ship with 4 or 8GB of RAM max 16GB and includes USB 3 ports and HDMI out. Your Mac mini is not worth putting any money into. It is more valuable to you as an item you can convert into cash you can put towards the new model. Craig's List is your friend.
Taylor
On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
> I assume you want to upgrade the OS?
>
> It is fairly simple but first you have to tell us which mini it is as this
> dictates the latest OS X version you can install. See if you can identify
> it here
> <http://lowendmac.
>
> You can also go to Apple menu > About this Mac and tell us what it says for
> Processor and Memory.
>
> Otto
>
> On 30 July 2012 17:51, Nanci Harvey <motherfive_2006@
>
>> Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac with
>> tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do this at home or
>> do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at home what do I buy and is
>> it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so much.
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
At 9:51 AM -0700 7/30/12, Nanci Harvey wrote:
>
>Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac
>with tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do
>this at home or do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at
>home what do I buy and is it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so
>much.
Define "upgrade." Memory? Hard drive? OS? What? Also describe your
mini. If it is a PPC machine then Leopard is the latest you can use
and probably not all that much better for your purposes than Tiger
and you would lose the ability to run Classic apps. Of course it you
are new, though, you probably don't have any classic apps.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
>
>Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac
>with tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do
>this at home or do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at
>home what do I buy and is it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so
>much.
Define "upgrade." Memory? Hard drive? OS? What? Also describe your
mini. If it is a PPC machine then Leopard is the latest you can use
and probably not all that much better for your purposes than Tiger
and you would lose the ability to run Classic apps. Of course it you
are new, though, you probably don't have any classic apps.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:56 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ursula Freer" ursulafreer
Howdy.
First, Nanci, no one can help until we have some more information from
you about your Macintosh computer model.
Second, can we assume you want to upgrade from Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to
Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion?
That is a very big upgrade since you would be jumping past Leopard,
Snow Leopard, and Lion. This major jump covers a whole slew of
changing technology and old technology dropped and abandoned.
It is very possible that you would need to do a lot more than just
"upgrade" the Mac OS X system.
Here are some important things to find out first.
1. If your Mac Mini is a PowerPC mini (rather than the newer Intel
processor Minis), then you are out of luck. It's too old to upgrade to
Mountain Lion.
2. Do you have an AppleTalk printer? AppleTalk networking support was
removed in Snow Leopard.
3. Are you using PowerPC coded software programs? If so you are out
of luck. In order to run a PowerPC coded application on an Intel
processor Mac, something called Rosetta is required and Rosetta is no
longer part of the Mountain Lion system.
Denver Dan
Just as an FYI, here are the Mac OS X system numbers and cat names
listed with the date the OS was released:
10.0 Cheetah - March 2001
10.1 Puma - September 2001
10.2 Jaguar - August 2002
10.3 Panther - October 2003
10.4 Tiger - April 2005
10.5 Leopard - October 2007
10.6 Snow Leopard - August 2009
10.7 Lion - July 2011
10.8 Mountain Lion - July 2012
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT), Nanci Harvey wrote:
> Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac
> with tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do this
> at home or do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at home what
> do I buy and is it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so much.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
First, Nanci, no one can help until we have some more information from
you about your Macintosh computer model.
Second, can we assume you want to upgrade from Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to
Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion?
That is a very big upgrade since you would be jumping past Leopard,
Snow Leopard, and Lion. This major jump covers a whole slew of
changing technology and old technology dropped and abandoned.
It is very possible that you would need to do a lot more than just
"upgrade" the Mac OS X system.
Here are some important things to find out first.
1. If your Mac Mini is a PowerPC mini (rather than the newer Intel
processor Minis), then you are out of luck. It's too old to upgrade to
Mountain Lion.
2. Do you have an AppleTalk printer? AppleTalk networking support was
removed in Snow Leopard.
3. Are you using PowerPC coded software programs? If so you are out
of luck. In order to run a PowerPC coded application on an Intel
processor Mac, something called Rosetta is required and Rosetta is no
longer part of the Mountain Lion system.
Denver Dan
Just as an FYI, here are the Mac OS X system numbers and cat names
listed with the date the OS was released:
10.0 Cheetah - March 2001
10.1 Puma - September 2001
10.2 Jaguar - August 2002
10.3 Panther - October 2003
10.4 Tiger - April 2005
10.5 Leopard - October 2007
10.6 Snow Leopard - August 2009
10.7 Lion - July 2011
10.8 Mountain Lion - July 2012
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT), Nanci Harvey wrote:
> Hi group! I am a real newbie but I love my mac! I have a mini mac
> with tiger on it I want to upgrade not sure to what, and do I do this
> at home or do I take it to my mac guy? What if I do this at home what
> do I buy and is it pretty simple to do? Thank you all so much.
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:49 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"paul smith" waldonny
Apparently it's you. They play on my MBP. Even the ancient "custom" ones I have.
--
PSmith
MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM, OS 10.8 iPhone 4S 64 GB, iOS 5.1.1
On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Budd T <n7eoj@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I just noticed I can't preview the system sounds in Preferences.
> I wanted to change that deep base note that I guess is default for Notifications, but unable to hear any of the sounds available.
> Is it just my iMac or another ML flub?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--
PSmith
MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB DDR2 SDRAM, OS 10.8 iPhone 4S 64 GB, iOS 5.1.1
On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Budd T <n7eoj@yahoo.
> I just noticed I can't preview the system sounds in Preferences.
> I wanted to change that deep base note that I guess is default for Notifications, but unable to hear any of the sounds available.
> Is it just my iMac or another ML flub?
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> I just noticed I can't preview the system sounds in Preferences. I wanted to change that deep base note that I guess is default for Notifications, but unable to hear any of the sounds available.
>
> Is it just my iMac or another ML flub?
It is not a Mountain Lion "flub" of any kind.
It works fine here.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>
> Is it just my iMac or another ML flub?
It is not a Mountain Lion "flub" of any kind.
It works fine here.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"ed-reiff" ed-reiff
Brainstorming.
Is it possible that a Restore from Time Machine happened?
Ed
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Alan Fry <ajf@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 30 Jul 2012, at 04:35, James Robertson wrote:
>
> > On Jul 29, 2012, at 5:58 PM, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Isn't that only an Alias of an Application folder?
> >
> > No, because the contents of the first "nested" Application folder are not exactly the same as the one above it in the hierarchy. When I've tried dragging the alias to the Desktop, it's immediately replicated in its prior position.
> >
>
> Having had a look at the 'recursive App Folder.png' which you posted today I think you have two different Applications folders (one inside the other) and in addition an alias file to one of the Applications folders. It is not actually a recursive situation.
>
> Let me try to explain what I mean.
>
> Let us call the outermost Applications folder 'Applications_1'. The fourth item of Applications_1 is another Applications folder: let us call that Applications_2. Now Applications_1 is different from Applications_2. For instance Applications_1 includes 'FaceTime.app' which is absent in Applications_2. Similarly Applications_2 includes a folder 'Canon Utilities' which is not to be found in Applications_1.
>
> Hence Applications_1 is a folder (containing applications) and also containing Applications_2 which in turn is a folder containing a (slightly) different list of applications. The odd thing about all this is that somehow a folder with the name 'Applications' is contained in folder of the same name. I would have expected the OS to have prevented that happening. But nevertheless it seems to be the case that you have two 'Applications' folders, both named 'Applications', one inside the other.
>
> On top of this you clearly have inside Applications_2 an alias file (it is unmistakable in your '.png') which links to Applications_1.
>
> I am puzzled when you say dragging the alias to the desktop results in it being replicated in its previous position. I have tried setting up Folder_1/Folder_2/AliasToFolder_1 and find I can move the alias in and out without difficulty. Be that as it may can you not simply delete the alias to Applications_1 in the normal way?
>
> Having done that can you not simply separate the two applications folders by dragging folder 'Applications_2' out of folder 'Applications_1'?
>
> You could check what I have said above by running 'ls -l Applications_1' and 'ls -l Applications_2' in the Terminal ('ls' and '-l' are lower case 'ells'). That will give you an unimpeachable listing of the contents of the two folders and will also show the link file for what it is.
>
> I hope this is comprehensible and some help.
>
> Alan Fry
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Is it possible that a Restore from Time Machine happened?
Ed
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
>
> On 30 Jul 2012, at 04:35, James Robertson wrote:
>
> > On Jul 29, 2012, at 5:58 PM, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@
> >
> > > Isn't that only an Alias of an Application folder?
> >
> > No, because the contents of the first "nested" Application folder are not exactly the same as the one above it in the hierarchy. When I've tried dragging the alias to the Desktop, it's immediately replicated in its prior position.
> >
>
> Having had a look at the 'recursive App Folder.png' which you posted today I think you have two different Applications folders (one inside the other) and in addition an alias file to one of the Applications folders. It is not actually a recursive situation.
>
> Let me try to explain what I mean.
>
> Let us call the outermost Applications folder 'Applications_
>
> Hence Applications_
>
> On top of this you clearly have inside Applications_
>
> I am puzzled when you say dragging the alias to the desktop results in it being replicated in its previous position. I have tried setting up Folder_1/Folder_
>
> Having done that can you not simply separate the two applications folders by dragging folder 'Applications_
>
> You could check what I have said above by running 'ls -l Applications_
>
> I hope this is comprehensible and some help.
>
> Alan Fry
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:15 PM, "ed-reiff" <ed@reiff.com> wrote:
> Is it possible that a Restore from Time Machine happened?
Since she doesn't have any backup strategy, unfortunately no. Good thought, however.
Your question reminds me, however, that she SHOULD have one, and that I probably shouldn't meddle more with her files until we back up what she has now. Thanks for that :-)
Once I've created a viable backup, I'll pull out the Applications Folder that I think is the culprit and see if I can delete the aliases one at a time.
--
Jim Robertson
Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Alan Fry <ajf@afco.demon.
> I am puzzled when you say dragging the alias to the desktop results in it being replicated in its previous position. I have tried setting up Folder_1/Folder_
I would have thought so, but I may not have picked the right icon to drag to the desktop previously. As I told another list member who offered a suggestion, the other thing that this episode has brought home to me is that my wife needs a backup strategy. Before I muck around TOO much, I'll implement that (I could do some real DAMAGE, I fear, running terminal), but I think the Folder that needs to be escorted to the trash is "Applications_
Jim
Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Richard Prokopchuk" wizardofaz2002
Hi folks,
Kind of a long story, so I 'll try to shorten it. I build guitars. I have a video I want to move to the ipad gen 1 so I can keep it on the bench with me when building. I converted the ts files to both .mov and .mp4 in anticipation of moving them to the ipad. After moving the files over, the ipad shows almost 3 GB of video, but I'll be darned if I can find them. Can anyone get me in the right place? I know I'm going to feel stupid for not thinking of the answer, but I don't know where to look.
Rick
10.7.4
iMac 3.06 w/ 4 GB RAM
iPad Gen 1...most recent IOS
Kind of a long story, so I 'll try to shorten it. I build guitars. I have a video I want to move to the ipad gen 1 so I can keep it on the bench with me when building. I converted the ts files to both .mov and .mp4 in anticipation of moving them to the ipad. After moving the files over, the ipad shows almost 3 GB of video, but I'll be darned if I can find them. Can anyone get me in the right place? I know I'm going to feel stupid for not thinking of the answer, but I don't know where to look.
Rick
10.7.4
iMac 3.06 w/ 4 GB RAM
iPad Gen 1...most recent IOS
Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Harry Flaxman" hflaxman001
Anyone notice how far MacMall has deviated from the company it used to be?
I've been getting their email ads for some time, but now their top ad
features the Google Nexus 7??
What is this world coming to?
I bought my PowerMac G5 from them and spent > $8k in the early 2000's.
Don't think I'd do that again.
Harry
I've been getting their email ads for some time, but now their top ad
features the Google Nexus 7??
What is this world coming to?
I bought my PowerMac G5 from them and spent > $8k in the early 2000's.
Don't think I'd do that again.
Harry
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