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Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:38 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
I think that the Apple wireless keyboards have some differences when
using "startup keys" during boot.
For example, zapping PRAM (Command Option p r), and Safe Disk Boot, and
the Option key to pick a different system. This may extend to booting
from the Recovery partition (Command r) in Lion or Mountain Lion.
With a Wireless keyboard, I think the procedure is to wait until you
hear the startup chime before pressing any keys.
Jim, give it a try if you have a moment and tell us what happens
please.
Denver Dan
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:51:05 -0500, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> Safe Disk boot is a trouble shooting thing that turns off stuff that
>> loads into memory during boot (so it can reduce conflicts), it does
>> a cleaning of Apple's Apple Typographic System (ATF) font caches,
>> and it does a disk check. Internet access will be unavailable after
>> Safe Disk boot (until you restart).
>>
>> After a Safe Disk boot, you should restart normally.
>>
>> If it won't restart then something is wrong.
>
> Will the iMac eve see that there is a wireless keyboard present, once
> it has booted into Safe Mode?
>
> Could this absence of a keyboard cause a problem with the re-boot.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad
I think that the Apple wireless keyboards have some differences when
using "startup keys" during boot.
For example, zapping PRAM (Command Option p r), and Safe Disk Boot, and
the Option key to pick a different system. This may extend to booting
from the Recovery partition (Command r) in Lion or Mountain Lion.
With a Wireless keyboard, I think the procedure is to wait until you
hear the startup chime before pressing any keys.
Jim, give it a try if you have a moment and tell us what happens
please.
Denver Dan
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:51:05 -0500, Jim Saklad wrote:
>> Safe Disk boot is a trouble shooting thing that turns off stuff that
>> loads into memory during boot (so it can reduce conflicts), it does
>> a cleaning of Apple's Apple Typographic System (ATF) font caches,
>> and it does a disk check. Internet access will be unavailable after
>> Safe Disk boot (until you restart).
>>
>> After a Safe Disk boot, you should restart normally.
>>
>> If it won't restart then something is wrong.
>
> Will the iMac eve see that there is a wireless keyboard present, once
> it has booted into Safe Mode?
>
> Could this absence of a keyboard cause a problem with the re-boot.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad
Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:19 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Linda Weidemann" thinkblackink
On 11/16/12 9:56 AM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> Help!!
Hi, Joan --
When your computer turns off during Safe Boot, it means that there's a
problem and your disk needs to be repaired, but that Disk Repair cannot
do it. I don't know what OS you're using, but here's one article talking
about it.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA24054
~Linda
> I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> Help!!
Hi, Joan --
When your computer turns off during Safe Boot, it means that there's a
problem and your disk needs to be repaired, but that Disk Repair cannot
do it. I don't know what OS you're using, but here's one article talking
about it.
http://support.
~Linda
Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:41 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Don Seal" don.96705
Joan
Two years ago I was having major sleep problems with my Mac Pro & 10.6.8 [around that rev anyway] Got great support under Apple Care, eventually they replaced the entire computer.
BUT … On my Mac Pro some boot commands worked only once in three or four tries. Nobody seemed to be sure what should work at boot with a wireless keyboard. Timing is critical, the problem is nobody at Apple is sure what the timing is. Apple eventually sent me a wired keyboard so we could be sure that boot commands were working while the CSR and I tried to diagnose sleep problems.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
Early 2009 Mac Pro
2 x 2.93 GHz Quad Core Xeon, 6GB RAM
OS X 10.7.5
On Nov 16, 2012, at 05:56, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> ….. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> Help!!
>
> Joan
>
>
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Two years ago I was having major sleep problems with my Mac Pro & 10.6.8 [around that rev anyway] Got great support under Apple Care, eventually they replaced the entire computer.
BUT … On my Mac Pro some boot commands worked only once in three or four tries. Nobody seemed to be sure what should work at boot with a wireless keyboard. Timing is critical, the problem is nobody at Apple is sure what the timing is. Apple eventually sent me a wired keyboard so we could be sure that boot commands were working while the CSR and I tried to diagnose sleep problems.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
Early 2009 Mac Pro
2 x 2.93 GHz Quad Core Xeon, 6GB RAM
OS X 10.7.5
On Nov 16, 2012, at 05:56, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> ….. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> Help!!
>
> Joan
>
>
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Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:39 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"joan05061" joan05061
Help, I am getting frantic. I tried resetting the PRAM and that didn;t work. What happens is that the little grey line along the bottom gets to about a quarter of the way from the left and then the power just turns off. There doesn't seem to be any way of getting out of Safe mode. Please, someone, give me some ideas. I don't know what I did wrong, but now the computer will not boot up. I also unplugged the computer and everything from the back of it. Same result. It seems the power just cuts off. What should I do?
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "Joan B. Sax, Ph.D." <jsax@...> wrote:
>
> I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> Help!!
>
> Joan
>
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> Help!!
>
> Joan
>
Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:43 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Nov 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> Help!!
As I said on my Web site:
http://www.macattor
a wireless keyboard may not be able to get you into Safe Mode.
You can go to Wal-Mart or similar and get a $10 USB keyboard to get around this.
However, I don't think that is the problem you are having. If your Mac won't start up at all, it seems likely that your hard drive has failed (having nothing to do with trying to boot into Safe Mode.) The rotating beachball problem you were having was likely a sign that your hard drive was on its last legs.
http://www.macattor
You will probably have to call AppleCare and have it replaced.
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
____________
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Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:47 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
On 16 Nov 2012, at 10:39 PM, "joan05061" <jsax@me.com> wrote:
> Help, I am getting frantic. I tried resetting the PRAM and that didn;t work. What happens is that the little grey line along the bottom gets to about a quarter of the way from the left and then the power just turns off. There doesn't seem to be any way of getting out of Safe mode. Please, someone, give me some ideas. I don't know what I did wrong, but now the computer will not boot up. I also unplugged the computer and everything from the back of it. Same result. It seems the power just cuts off. What should I do?
Make an appointment with your local Genius Bar, if I where you...
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@
>>
>> I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
>> In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
>> Help!!
>>
>> Joan
>
>
>
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:08 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"joan05061" joan05061
Thanks, Dan, I was able to get to disk utility and it is repairing the disk as I write. (I am writing from my laptop). I got a message :Disk Utility can't repair this disk. Back up as many of your files as possible, reformat the disk and restore your backed up files."
Now I have used Super Duper to back up my files twice a week on an extenal hard drive, and I haven't done that much work on my computer since the last backup. So can you walk me through the process of doing what the message tells me to do? That is, do I try to boot up to that external disk, and from there reformat the hard drive on my computer? How exactly do I do that?
Tante grazie in anticipo (you spent some time in Italy, veto?)
Joan
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> The computer booting is not dependent on a working keyboard.
> Controlling the computer AFTER boot is, of course.
>
> Safe Disk boot is a trouble shooting thing that turns off stuff that
> loads into memory during boot (so it can reduce conflicts), it does a
> cleaning of Apple's Apple Typographic System (ATF) font caches, and it
> does a disk check. Internet access will be unavailable after Safe Disk
> boot (until you restart).
>
> After a Safe Disk boot, you should restart normally.
>
> If it won't restart then something is wrong.
>
> Try booting into the Recovery partition. Boot and press Command r on
> keyboard. After booting into Recovery partition, run the Disk Utility
> Disk Repair commands.
>
> Of course, if the wireless keyboard doesn't work replace it with a
> wired keyboard, replace the batteries in the keyboard, etc.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:56:28 -0500, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> > I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or
> > yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website
> > suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key
> > after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit
> > of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went
> > blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I
> > am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and
> > track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the
> > problem.
> > In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop,
> > but my main computer is the iMac).
> > Help!!
> >
> > Joan
>
Now I have used Super Duper to back up my files twice a week on an extenal hard drive, and I haven't done that much work on my computer since the last backup. So can you walk me through the process of doing what the message tells me to do? That is, do I try to boot up to that external disk, and from there reformat the hard drive on my computer? How exactly do I do that?
Tante grazie in anticipo (you spent some time in Italy, veto?)
Joan
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Howdy.
>
> The computer booting is not dependent on a working keyboard.
> Controlling the computer AFTER boot is, of course.
>
> Safe Disk boot is a trouble shooting thing that turns off stuff that
> loads into memory during boot (so it can reduce conflicts), it does a
> cleaning of Apple's Apple Typographic System (ATF) font caches, and it
> does a disk check. Internet access will be unavailable after Safe Disk
> boot (until you restart).
>
> After a Safe Disk boot, you should restart normally.
>
> If it won't restart then something is wrong.
>
> Try booting into the Recovery partition. Boot and press Command r on
> keyboard. After booting into Recovery partition, run the Disk Utility
> Disk Repair commands.
>
> Of course, if the wireless keyboard doesn't work replace it with a
> wired keyboard, replace the batteries in the keyboard, etc.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:56:28 -0500, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> > I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or
> > yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website
> > suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key
> > after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit
> > of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went
> > blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I
> > am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and
> > track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the
> > problem.
> > In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop,
> > but my main computer is the iMac).
> > Help!!
> >
> > Joan
>
Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:29 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"joan05061" joan05061
I did try my husband's USB keyboard with the same result. As I wrote a few minutes ago, I was able to boot up in recovery mode but alas, Disk Utility says it cannot repair the disk and that I have to reformat it. I do have Super Duper that I have set to make a clone on an external hard disk twice a week and I haven't done that much on my computer since the last backup. Now, how do I reformat the hard drive (from the clone? how do I get to that?). I had Disk Utility check the clone and it seems fine. Could you walk me through the process or point me to where you have already generously mapped it out for us semi-computer literates?
TIA,
Joan
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "Randy B. Singer" <randy@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> > I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> > In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> > Help!!
>
>
> As I said on my Web site:
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html#5
> a wireless keyboard may not be able to get you into Safe Mode.
> You can go to Wal-Mart or similar and get a $10 USB keyboard to get around this.
>
> However, I don't think that is the problem you are having. If your Mac won't start up at all, it seems likely that your hard drive has failed (having nothing to do with trying to boot into Safe Mode.) The rotating beachball problem you were having was likely a sign that your hard drive was on its last legs.
> http://www.macattorney.com/rbb.html#itemseven
> You will probably have to call AppleCare and have it replaced.
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
TIA,
Joan
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> > I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> > In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> > Help!!
>
>
> As I said on my Web site:
> http://www.macattor
> a wireless keyboard may not be able to get you into Safe Mode.
> You can go to Wal-Mart or similar and get a $10 USB keyboard to get around this.
>
> However, I don't think that is the problem you are having. If your Mac won't start up at all, it seems likely that your hard drive has failed (having nothing to do with trying to boot into Safe Mode.) The rotating beachball problem you were having was likely a sign that your hard drive was on its last legs.
> http://www.macattor
> You will probably have to call AppleCare and have it replaced.
>
> ____________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> http://www.macattor
> ____________
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:21 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Joan, the formatted structure of your hard drive may have a serious
problem.
Sometimes Disk Utility can't fix serious problems.
A commercial utility called Disk Warrior (from Alsoft) can often fix
things when other utilities can't.
However, if you have backed up your Mac, then you could just
reformat/erase the HD and start over.
Denver Dan
p.s. Si. Ho vissuto a Perugia, Italia, per un paio de anni a anche a
Monico di Bavaria per un po.
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:08:14 +0000, joan05061 wrote:
> Thanks, Dan, I was able to get to disk utility and it is repairing
> the disk as I write. (I am writing from my laptop). I got a message
> :Disk Utility can't repair this disk. Back up as many of your files
> as possible, reformat the disk and restore your backed up files."
> Now I have used Super Duper to back up my files twice a week on an
> extenal hard drive, and I haven't done that much work on my computer
> since the last backup. So can you walk me through the process of
> doing what the message tells me to do? That is, do I try to boot up
> to that external disk, and from there reformat the hard drive on my
> computer? How exactly do I do that?
> Tante grazie in anticipo (you spent some time in Italy, veto?)
Joan, the formatted structure of your hard drive may have a serious
problem.
Sometimes Disk Utility can't fix serious problems.
A commercial utility called Disk Warrior (from Alsoft) can often fix
things when other utilities can't.
However, if you have backed up your Mac, then you could just
reformat/erase the HD and start over.
Denver Dan
p.s. Si. Ho vissuto a Perugia, Italia, per un paio de anni a anche a
Monico di Bavaria per un po.
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:08:14 +0000, joan05061 wrote:
> Thanks, Dan, I was able to get to disk utility and it is repairing
> the disk as I write. (I am writing from my laptop). I got a message
> :Disk Utility can't repair this disk. Back up as many of your files
> as possible, reformat the disk and restore your backed up files."
> Now I have used Super Duper to back up my files twice a week on an
> extenal hard drive, and I haven't done that much work on my computer
> since the last backup. So can you walk me through the process of
> doing what the message tells me to do? That is, do I try to boot up
> to that external disk, and from there reformat the hard drive on my
> computer? How exactly do I do that?
> Tante grazie in anticipo (you spent some time in Italy, veto?)
Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:27 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"joan05061" joan05061
I have booted up from the Clone, used Disk Utility to erase the computer hard drive, checked that the drive from Disk Utility has no problems. Then I tried to restore the computer hard drive but the clone has become the start-up disk and I am told I have to start up on the hard drive in order to have the clone be the source drive. The thing is, I can't seem to get the hard drive to be the startup disk. Should I try just doing a clean install of Mountain Lion from my flash drive, because it seems that Disk Utility didn't really erase the computer hard drive. All my files seem to be there, as well as the different accounts.
Awaiting your collective wisdom.
Joan
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "joan05061" <jsax@...> wrote:
>
> I did try my husband's USB keyboard with the same result. As I wrote a few minutes ago, I was able to boot up in recovery mode but alas, Disk Utility says it cannot repair the disk and that I have to reformat it. I do have Super Duper that I have set to make a clone on an external hard disk twice a week and I haven't done that much on my computer since the last backup. Now, how do I reformat the hard drive (from the clone? how do I get to that?). I had Disk Utility check the clone and it seems fine. Could you walk me through the process or point me to where you have already generously mapped it out for us semi-computer literates?
> TIA,
>
> Joan
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "Randy B. Singer" <randy@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> >
> > > I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> > > In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> > > Help!!
> >
> >
> > As I said on my Web site:
> > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html#5
> > a wireless keyboard may not be able to get you into Safe Mode.
> > You can go to Wal-Mart or similar and get a $10 USB keyboard to get around this.
> >
> > However, I don't think that is the problem you are having. If your Mac won't start up at all, it seems likely that your hard drive has failed (having nothing to do with trying to boot into Safe Mode.) The rotating beachball problem you were having was likely a sign that your hard drive was on its last legs.
> > http://www.macattorney.com/rbb.html#itemseven
> > You will probably have to call AppleCare and have it replaced.
> >
> > ___________________________________________
> > Randy B. Singer
> > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
> >
> > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> > ___________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Awaiting your collective wisdom.
Joan
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> I did try my husband's USB keyboard with the same result. As I wrote a few minutes ago, I was able to boot up in recovery mode but alas, Disk Utility says it cannot repair the disk and that I have to reformat it. I do have Super Duper that I have set to make a clone on an external hard disk twice a week and I haven't done that much on my computer since the last backup. Now, how do I reformat the hard drive (from the clone? how do I get to that?). I had Disk Utility check the clone and it seems fine. Could you walk me through the process or point me to where you have already generously mapped it out for us semi-computer literates?
> TIA,
>
> Joan
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> >
> > > I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> > > In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> > > Help!!
> >
> >
> > As I said on my Web site:
> > http://www.macattor
> > a wireless keyboard may not be able to get you into Safe Mode.
> > You can go to Wal-Mart or similar and get a $10 USB keyboard to get around this.
> >
> > However, I don't think that is the problem you are having. If your Mac won't start up at all, it seems likely that your hard drive has failed (having nothing to do with trying to boot into Safe Mode.) The rotating beachball problem you were having was likely a sign that your hard drive was on its last legs.
> > http://www.macattor
> > You will probably have to call AppleCare and have it replaced.
> >
> > ____________
> > Randy B. Singer
> > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
> >
> > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> > http://www.macattor
> > ____________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:32 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"joan05061" joan05061
Hi, Dan,
Yes, I am trying to reformat/erase the HD. Should I simply do a clean re-install of Mountain Lion? The only thing is that I seem to be booting up from the clone and can't seem to boot up from the computer hard disk. I did have Disk Utility check the hard drive and it seemed to give it a clean bill of health, but the computer won't boot up from it. Any thoughts?
Joan
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> Joan, the formatted structure of your hard drive may have a serious
> problem.
>
> Sometimes Disk Utility can't fix serious problems.
>
> A commercial utility called Disk Warrior (from Alsoft) can often fix
> things when other utilities can't.
>
> However, if you have backed up your Mac, then you could just
> reformat/erase the HD and start over.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. Si. Ho vissuto a Perugia, Italia, per un paio de anni a anche a
> Monico di Bavaria per un po.
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:08:14 +0000, joan05061 wrote:
> > Thanks, Dan, I was able to get to disk utility and it is repairing
> > the disk as I write. (I am writing from my laptop). I got a message
> > :Disk Utility can't repair this disk. Back up as many of your files
> > as possible, reformat the disk and restore your backed up files."
> > Now I have used Super Duper to back up my files twice a week on an
> > extenal hard drive, and I haven't done that much work on my computer
> > since the last backup. So can you walk me through the process of
> > doing what the message tells me to do? That is, do I try to boot up
> > to that external disk, and from there reformat the hard drive on my
> > computer? How exactly do I do that?
> > Tante grazie in anticipo (you spent some time in Italy, veto?)
>
Yes, I am trying to reformat/erase the HD. Should I simply do a clean re-install of Mountain Lion? The only thing is that I seem to be booting up from the clone and can't seem to boot up from the computer hard disk. I did have Disk Utility check the hard drive and it seemed to give it a clean bill of health, but the computer won't boot up from it. Any thoughts?
Joan
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Howdy.
>
> Joan, the formatted structure of your hard drive may have a serious
> problem.
>
> Sometimes Disk Utility can't fix serious problems.
>
> A commercial utility called Disk Warrior (from Alsoft) can often fix
> things when other utilities can't.
>
> However, if you have backed up your Mac, then you could just
> reformat/erase the HD and start over.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. Si. Ho vissuto a Perugia, Italia, per un paio de anni a anche a
> Monico di Bavaria per un po.
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:08:14 +0000, joan05061 wrote:
> > Thanks, Dan, I was able to get to disk utility and it is repairing
> > the disk as I write. (I am writing from my laptop). I got a message
> > :Disk Utility can't repair this disk. Back up as many of your files
> > as possible, reformat the disk and restore your backed up files."
> > Now I have used Super Duper to back up my files twice a week on an
> > extenal hard drive, and I haven't done that much work on my computer
> > since the last backup. So can you walk me through the process of
> > doing what the message tells me to do? That is, do I try to boot up
> > to that external disk, and from there reformat the hard drive on my
> > computer? How exactly do I do that?
> > Tante grazie in anticipo (you spent some time in Italy, veto?)
>
Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:41 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
Having never booted from a flash drive, it is just another storage device like a HD, so yes, try and boot up from the flash drive, then target the main had to reformat and install ML.
I have never used Super Duper, but there is probably a way in it to restore from backup, if you actually have a back up.
I use Time Machine in Snow Leopard and never have issues restoring anything. jr
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "joan05061" <jsax@...> wrote:
>
> I have booted up from the Clone, used Disk Utility to erase the computer hard drive, checked that the drive from Disk Utility has no problems. Then I tried to restore the computer hard drive but the clone has become the start-up disk and I am told I have to start up on the hard drive in order to have the clone be the source drive. The thing is, I can't seem to get the hard drive to be the startup disk. Should I try just doing a clean install of Mountain Lion from my flash drive, because it seems that Disk Utility didn't really erase the computer hard drive. All my files seem to be there, as well as the different accounts.
>
> Awaiting your collective wisdom.
>
> Joan
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "joan05061" <jsax@> wrote:
> >
> > I did try my husband's USB keyboard with the same result. As I wrote a few minutes ago, I was able to boot up in recovery mode but alas, Disk Utility says it cannot repair the disk and that I have to reformat it. I do have Super Duper that I have set to make a clone on an external hard disk twice a week and I haven't done that much on my computer since the last backup. Now, how do I reformat the hard drive (from the clone? how do I get to that?). I had Disk Utility check the clone and it seems fine. Could you walk me through the process or point me to where you have already generously mapped it out for us semi-computer literates?
> > TIA,
> >
> > Joan
> >
> > --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "Randy B. Singer" <randy@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> > > > In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> > > > Help!!
> > >
> > >
> > > As I said on my Web site:
> > > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html#5
> > > a wireless keyboard may not be able to get you into Safe Mode.
> > > You can go to Wal-Mart or similar and get a $10 USB keyboard to get around this.
> > >
> > > However, I don't think that is the problem you are having. If your Mac won't start up at all, it seems likely that your hard drive has failed (having nothing to do with trying to boot into Safe Mode.) The rotating beachball problem you were having was likely a sign that your hard drive was on its last legs.
> > > http://www.macattorney.com/rbb.html#itemseven
> > > You will probably have to call AppleCare and have it replaced.
> > >
> > > ___________________________________________
> > > Randy B. Singer
> > > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
> > >
> > > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> > > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> > > ___________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
I have never used Super Duper, but there is probably a way in it to restore from backup, if you actually have a back up.
I use Time Machine in Snow Leopard and never have issues restoring anything. jr
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> I have booted up from the Clone, used Disk Utility to erase the computer hard drive, checked that the drive from Disk Utility has no problems. Then I tried to restore the computer hard drive but the clone has become the start-up disk and I am told I have to start up on the hard drive in order to have the clone be the source drive. The thing is, I can't seem to get the hard drive to be the startup disk. Should I try just doing a clean install of Mountain Lion from my flash drive, because it seems that Disk Utility didn't really erase the computer hard drive. All my files seem to be there, as well as the different accounts.
>
> Awaiting your collective wisdom.
>
> Joan
> --- In macsupportcentral@
> >
> > I did try my husband's USB keyboard with the same result. As I wrote a few minutes ago, I was able to boot up in recovery mode but alas, Disk Utility says it cannot repair the disk and that I have to reformat it. I do have Super Duper that I have set to make a clone on an external hard disk twice a week and I haven't done that much on my computer since the last backup. Now, how do I reformat the hard drive (from the clone? how do I get to that?). I had Disk Utility check the clone and it seems fine. Could you walk me through the process or point me to where you have already generously mapped it out for us semi-computer literates?
> > TIA,
> >
> > Joan
> >
> > --- In macsupportcentral@
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was having beach ball problems mentioned in a post today or yesterday, so I tried step one of Randy' Singer's RBB website suggestion and rebooted in "safe mode" (holding down the shift key after the initial tone). What happened is that the screen after a bit of revolving gear and the little progress line at the bottom went blank and the computer turned off. Now it won't reboot in any mode. I am running OS 10.8.2 on an iMac with a Mac wireless keyboard and track pad. I am wondering if the wireless keyboard could be the problem.
> > > > In any case my iMac won't start up at all (luckily I have a laptop, but my main computer is the iMac).
> > > > Help!!
> > >
> > >
> > > As I said on my Web site:
> > > http://www.macattor
> > > a wireless keyboard may not be able to get you into Safe Mode.
> > > You can go to Wal-Mart or similar and get a $10 USB keyboard to get around this.
> > >
> > > However, I don't think that is the problem you are having. If your Mac won't start up at all, it seems likely that your hard drive has failed (having nothing to do with trying to boot into Safe Mode.) The rotating beachball problem you were having was likely a sign that your hard drive was on its last legs.
> > > http://www.macattor
> > > You will probably have to call AppleCare and have it replaced.
> > >
> > > ____________
> > > Randy B. Singer
> > > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
> > >
> > > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> > > http://www.macattor
> > > ____________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:14 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
> I too have Mail 4.6 (1085) running on OS 10.6.8 but I cannot replicate this problem. For me, on text (with some bold in it) either imported from received emails or word processors (iWord, TextEdit) the bold characters can in all cases be reset to plain text by Cmd-B.
>
> I think there must be something amiss with your installation of Mail. Have you tried the usual things; trashing Mail's prefs and/or running ONXY or YASU?
>
> Alan Fry
-=-=-=-
Indeed, when I trash Mail preferences and open a new message, I can bold and un-bold text. If I re-instate the original prefs file, the problem returns. Pretty clear as to the culprit...
But I have *so* many settings (several accounts) that I need to re-enter. )c:
I'll get to it Real Soon Now.
Thanks for the tip!
Dave
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> I think there must be something amiss with your installation of Mail. Have you tried the usual things; trashing Mail's prefs and/or running ONXY or YASU?
>
> Alan Fry
-=-=-=-
Indeed, when I trash Mail preferences and open a new message, I can bold and un-bold text. If I re-instate the original prefs file, the problem returns. Pretty clear as to the culprit...
But I have *so* many settings (several accounts) that I need to re-enter. )c:
I'll get to it Real Soon Now.
Thanks for the tip!
Dave
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
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Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:22 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Dan,
I've seen this same problem brought up here and on other lists, and I have not seen a solution. I notice that the font used for the iPhone keypad has gotten smaller and thinner also.
I hope you have sent Apple feedback.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/ical.html
Brent
- another set of "grey" eyes that need more contrast
On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
Howdy.
The days of the week numbers in iCal are so faint I have a LOT of
trouble reading them easily.
Does anyone know of a way to make these numbers darker/larger/black??
Denver Dan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I've seen this same problem brought up here and on other lists, and I have not seen a solution. I notice that the font used for the iPhone keypad has gotten smaller and thinner also.
I hope you have sent Apple feedback.
http://www.apple.
Brent
- another set of "grey" eyes that need more contrast
On Nov 16, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
Howdy.
The days of the week numbers in iCal are so faint I have a LOT of
trouble reading them easily.
Does anyone know of a way to make these numbers darker/larger/
Denver Dan
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:32 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
I've posted several times about the Lytro camera that came out in
2011.
The camera uses new technology to capture the direction of light rays.
This lets you refocus a photo AFTER you have taken it.
Lytro has added some new Perspective technology just recently.
Here's an article in HuffingtonPost on this.
<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/lytro-pictures-perspective-shift_n_2139798.html?utm_hp_ref=technology >
There are several sample photos that you should be able to click with
your mouse or tap with your finger to refocus.
I first read the article on my iPad and was able to tap the image with
the red heart and refocus it on the iPad.
Camera and software works with Macintosh and PC.
Denver Dan
I've posted several times about the Lytro camera that came out in
2011.
The camera uses new technology to capture the direction of light rays.
This lets you refocus a photo AFTER you have taken it.
Lytro has added some new Perspective technology just recently.
Here's an article in HuffingtonPost on this.
<http://www.huffingt
There are several sample photos that you should be able to click with
your mouse or tap with your finger to refocus.
I first read the article on my iPad and was able to tap the image with
the red heart and refocus it on the iPad.
Camera and software works with Macintosh and PC.
Denver Dan
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