3/26/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9453

8 New Messages

Digest #9453
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Re: Original Applications by "Pat Taylor" pat412255
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Re: Original Applications by "OBrien" conorboru
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Re: Original Applications by "OBrien" conorboru
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Re: Original Applications by "Doris" untoldexpressions
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Re: "Don't have permission" by "HAL9000" jrswebhome
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Re: "Don't have permission" by "Dane Reugger" dar2112
3a
Re: Another new Mac Pro sign by "Tight Guy" jcrowe1950

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Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Pat Taylor" pat412255

I created a new folder titled "My Apps" within the Application folder & drag all of my non-Apple apps into it.

On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Ken <avlisk@cox.net> wrote:

> A question on how you do this. Any apps automatically load into the Application Folder, don't they? If that's true, can simply dragging the newly-loaded application to a separate folder from the Applications Folder move the entire application? I understood that there are pieces of software from applications that get scattered all over the place. At least, this was what I was told when trying to drag an application to the trash. I was told that wasn't sufficient to get the whole application moved. Thanks.
> Ken S.
>
> >
> > On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:06:16 -0400, Jim Saklad wrote:
> > > put all my 3rd-party applications in a separate folder from the
> > > ones that come with the operating system.
> >
> > I've always done this, too.
>
>

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Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"OBrien" conorboru

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:10:14 -0000, Ken wrote:
> A question on how you do this. Any apps automatically load into the
> Application Folder, don't they?

Not necessarily. When you download and launch/open the disc image file, you can drag the app icon in the window to wherever you want to put it. I drag the icon to a folder I created for third-party, un-original software.


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Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:22 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"OBrien" conorboru

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:17:25 -0500, OBrien wrote:
> I drag the icon to a folder I created for third-party, un-original software.

To be more specific, I actually have created six folders for downloaded applications, so I can separate them by category: Account, Graphics, Misc, Utilities, Web, and Words.


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Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:49 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Doris" untoldexpressions

I have a 13" MacBookPro
Version 10.8.2
2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
5 GB 106 MHz DDR3, mid 2009

I run disk repair every couple of weeks.

I have the following which I think might all be utilities:

app cleaner
automator
cacheoutX
coconutbattery
flux
omnidisksweeper
psuedoacronym
smcfancontrol
activity monitor
onyx
x11

There might be others, not sure.

I like to keep my free space above 100, but I failed to check immediately
after installing 10.8.

I have been deleting (always use secure delete) and it has been going
several hours daily for three days. It is now all the way up to 88.2 since
my earlier post.

I won't reformat just yet. Thanks,

Doris

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com> wrote:

> > My computer is slow, lots of spinning balls. Genius bar told me updating
> to
> > 10.8 would take care of that but it hasn't. I used to have a lot of free
> space but no longer. I have 87.3 out of 249.2 GB. after deleting all my
> data except for iTunes and iPhoto which I have on Time Machine on two
> externals.
>
> 1. 87.3 GB out of 249.2 GB is still a lot of free space.
> 2. What year, make, and model of Mac is this?
> 3. Have you tried running Disk Utility -- Verify Disk ?
> 4. Do you own any disk utility software besides what's built in to MacOS?
>
> > I thought I should remove all apps that I have downloaded and don't use
> or don't know what they're for.
>
> That couldn't hurt.
>
> > I'm ready to delete all music from my computer as everything I bought
> > should be in iCloud, right?
>
> I wouldn't do that just yet.
>
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Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

It might help to remove some old 3rd party apps that you don't use and more. And maybe even some that you do use.

I run a pretty vanilla system, as far as modifying or maintenance apps. I highly recommend you get rid of Omnidisksweeper, but that is just my opinion and several others will disagree.

You don't need 100 GB of free space unless you are doing something like video work. Many recommend keeping 20% free space or in your case about 50 GB. You are shooting for 40%.

Automator is an Apple app that comes in the Application folder.

Activity Monitor does belong in the Utility folder.

x11 is a Developer's app that Apple offers to the average user. You only need it for certain tweeks or developing.

App Cleaner is 3rd party app. Several recommend it.

CacheoutXis by softonic.com.

coconutbattery is by coconut-flavour.com

Flux is an advanced Web design tool. Not from Apple and looks expensive.

Omnidisksweeper is a cleaner and not from Apple. Cleaner apps often delete needed files and I do not suggest using them.

psuedoacronym is not a Apple app. I can not find any information about it as an app.

smcfancontrol is from eidac.de

Onyx is a 3rd party maintenance app that many recommend.

Brent

On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Doris wrote:

I have a 13" MacBookPro
Version 10.8.2
2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
5 GB 106 MHz DDR3, mid 2009

I run disk repair every couple of weeks.

I have the following which I think might all be utilities:

app cleaner
automator
cacheoutX
coconutbattery
flux
omnidisksweeper
psuedoacronym
smcfancontrol
activity monitor
onyx
x11

There might be others, not sure.

I like to keep my free space above 100, but I failed to check immediately
after installing 10.8.

I have been deleting (always use secure delete) and it has been going
several hours daily for three days. It is now all the way up to 88.2 since
my earlier post.

I won't reformat just yet. Thanks,

Doris

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com> wrote:

> > My computer is slow, lots of spinning balls. Genius bar told me updating
> to
> > 10.8 would take care of that but it hasn't. I used to have a lot of free
> space but no longer. I have 87.3 out of 249.2 GB. after deleting all my
> data except for iTunes and iPhoto which I have on Time Machine on two
> externals.
>
> 1. 87.3 GB out of 249.2 GB is still a lot of free space.
> 2. What year, make, and model of Mac is this?
> 3. Have you tried running Disk Utility -- Verify Disk ?
> 4. Do you own any disk utility software besides what's built in to MacOS?
>
> > I thought I should remove all apps that I have downloaded and don't use
> or don't know what they're for.
>
> That couldn't hurt.
>
> > I'm ready to delete all music from my computer as everything I bought
> > should be in iCloud, right?
>
> I wouldn't do that just yet.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:
> jimdoc@icloud.com
>
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Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"HAL9000" jrswebhome

Check out this thread:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3098215?start=0&tstart=0

Hope it provides answers.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Dave C <davec2468@...> wrote:
>
> I began a copy of an internal hard disk (about 250 GB) to a USB hard disk. The process began as you'd expect, except I was asked for the admin password. Not sure why this is required, but I provided it. The status window that appeared showed that it would take about 5 hours.
>
> I came back after 2 hours and the status window showed a message: "The process you started cannot be completed because you do not have permission to access file abcd". (I don't remember the name but I do recall that it was a demo software app.)
>
> The copy terminated with no option to skip this file and continue.
>
> Before beginning this copy process I repaired permissions.
>
> (See Console output, below.)
>
> (Let's please not go into whether or not Finder is the appropriate app to use for large file copying...)
>
> 1. Is this what Finder always does when it encounters an issue with permission? Just throw up its hands and quit the copy?
>
> 2. I am logged in as the only user, the Admin. Why would I not have permission?
>
> Both source and destination volumes are fine -- no issues with reading or writing other than this one experience. The destination volume is empty and 3x the size of the data to be copied.
>
> In the past I've copied copious numbers of files without issue. Why can't I do this?
>
> Observations? Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> - - -
>
> console output:
> ---
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed for file watcher 33
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed for file watcher 32
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed for file watcher 29
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed for file watcher 28
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed for file watcher 27
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed for file watcher 26
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed for file watcher 25
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed for file watcher 31
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a UnmountAssistant[2186]: Volume unmounted successfully
> ---
>
> OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:20 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Dane Reugger" dar2112

An admin user does not necessarily have access to all files or folders -
imagine you have 2 admin users they would not be able to view the others
files by default - but the admin does have the ability to grant access to
all file and folders.

First thing to look at is in drive info make sure "ignore ownership on this
volume is ignore" but that's still not a guarantee. If it doesn't work
you'll need to change permissions or override them.

Playing around with file security and permissions could cause REAL problems
but you basically have a couple options. Change permissions on the files
you want access to or use root (super user) in terminal - (for example sudo
cp -Rp /Source /Dest). Sudo can basically do anything you ask and but that
comes at the price of safety it will not warn you of potential disaster so
use it with CAUTION. I would imagine there is a tool designed to handle
something like this but the only thing that comes to mind is carbon copy
cloner but it not designed for that and could make a real disaster.

You can change the permissions from the terminal with commands like chmod
and chown or you can do it from finder (info then Sharing and permissions).
This is safer but less straight forward. If you use sudo you may still have
to change the permissions on the copied files to access them.

-Dane

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I began a copy of an internal hard disk (about 250 GB) to a USB hard disk.
> The process began as you'd expect, except I was asked for the admin
> password. Not sure why this is required, but I provided it. The status
> window that appeared showed that it would take about 5 hours.
>
> I came back after 2 hours and the status window showed a message: "The
> process you started cannot be completed because you do not have permission
> to access file abcd". (I don't remember the name but I do recall that it
> was a demo software app.)
>
> The copy terminated with no option to skip this file and continue.
>
> Before beginning this copy process I repaired permissions.
>
> (See Console output, below.)
>
> (Let's please not go into whether or not Finder is the appropriate app to
> use for large file copying...)
>
> 1. Is this what Finder always does when it encounters an issue with
> permission? Just throw up its hands and quit the copy?
>
> 2. I am logged in as the only user, the Admin. Why would I not have
> permission?
>
> Both source and destination volumes are fine -- no issues with reading or
> writing other than this one experience. The destination volume is empty and
> 3x the size of the data to be copied.
>
> In the past I've copied copious numbers of files without issue. Why can't
> I do this?
>
> Observations? Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> - - -
>
> console output:
> ---
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed
> for file watcher 33
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed
> for file watcher 32
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed
> for file watcher 29
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed
> for file watcher 28
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed
> for file watcher 27
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed
> for file watcher 26
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed
> for file watcher 25
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a com.apple.notifyd[12]: EV_DELETE failed
> for file watcher 31
> Mar 25 16:18:42 cansf7skya5493a UnmountAssistant[2186]: Volume unmounted
> successfully
> ---
>
> OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
>
>
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Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:59 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Tight Guy" jcrowe1950



Hi Brent, et al,

I don't know what Apple intends for the Mac Pro, but in speculating it probably would help to look at the type of customer that uses Mac Pros today. I don't know percentages but I do know that many content producers, especially graphics intense ones or other compute intense applications, use Mac Pros. In that arena, one trend is to use powerful GPUs for their parallel streams...someone mentioned the recently announced highend cards from both Nvidia and AMD (ATI Radeon), specifically to be used in Mac Pros. These are some honking big cards.....I&#39;d wonder how they would fit into the modular architecture that people are speculating on. There are features in MacOS X that allow a) much easier time of programming multi-threaded apps via Grand Central Dispatch and b) offloading parallel operations to a GPU via CUDA for Nvidia cards or other methods. In such cases, the number of CPUs/cores per CPU can actually be subservient to the power of the GPU....(like with 192 cores for some). Anyway, speculation is fun. Apple has already alienated some percentage of its pro base through the longterm anemic updates to the Mac Pro and to pro level software. I personally think that Apple will let the Mac Pro slowly die...it does not contribute much to the Apple bottom line and it's more of a show horse product at this point. The Apple direction is clearly consumer....it's a winning approach in terms of money and such.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> I was also thinking of venting/heat issues. And the rat's nest of cables behind it also seem very un-Apple or un-Jony Ives. Not a clean, elegant design. And what length to make the cables?
>
> Still and interesting possibility, that there has to be an elegant answer to.
>
> Brent

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