3/10/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9428

9 New Messages

Digest #9428
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Re: Mac vs PC software prices by "Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
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Re: Word processor for iPad by "Carol Corley" floridabouvs
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Re: Blu-Ray Burners by "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler
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SimCity 5 - Major Problems by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
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Re: SimCity 5 - Major Problems by "Dane Reugger" dar2112
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Re: Safari Hangs on Quit by "John Engberg" mrbyte

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Sat Mar 9, 2013 3:07 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger


On Mar 9, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Dave C wrote:

> Randy,
> I'm interested in what all the roadblocks are to corporate use of Macs. It sounds like you're saying there's more than software and hardware cost in keeping Macs out of the mainstream corp. office?

Go back and read my posts in this thread.

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Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 3:13 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Dane Robison"

I wholeheartedly agree, Randy. It's hard to believe this is free, and even marginally usable on an iPhone.

dane

On Mar 9, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:

> CloudOn (free...for now)
> http://site.cloudon.com/
> (I highly recommend checking this out!)

Sat Mar 9, 2013 3:56 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Carol Corley" floridabouvs

I am used to Word but had heard good things about Pages. When I still had my PC, I used Iwriter on the iPad and it was OK. Once I got my iMac, I bought Pages for the Mac Nd iPads, and I am a convert. I can write on Pages and send to friends who have Word, as exporting as a Word document is a choice.
Carol

What experience do any of you have with a word processing program for the iPad? How about Pages? Can it open a MS Word Document? Any suggestions are welcome. I don't expect to do complicated stuff that I would have to do on my Mac, but being able to open files and make minor changes would be helpful, if that is possible.

Joan in Vermont where I mis-wrote about winter hanging on, today is T-shrit weather (while south of us they had a foot of snow yesterday - curiouser and curioser)

Sent from my iPad 3

Sat Mar 9, 2013 5:44 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler

I have seen single layer Blu-Ray media (25 GB BD-R) for $0.65 USD each,
without much effort (only searching Amazon). That is 2.9 times the capacity
of a DL DVD.

Jon

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:25 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> I have a 1TB HD and it rarely goes over 25% used. I weigh having to buy
> more expensive media and another burner to burn Blu-Ray. I am wondering if
> Double Layer/Sided, whatever, DVD external tray burner is just enough for
> me alone. My iMac DVD burner scars anything I put into it now. So I'm
> debating if buying a blu ray burner & media is overkill for me, or just buy
> an external dvd tray burner, where I won't have to buy any new media. I'm
> reading more and more complaints about slot loaded media scarring, whether
> it's computer or game station. No mater what I decide, it will be tray
> loaded.
>
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 8:00 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Denver Dan" denverdan22180

Howdy.

Reviews are coming in on the March 5 release of SimCity 5 and many are
very negative.

Several commentators have mentioned that it may be the most negatively
rated product in the history of Amazon.com.

The Mac version was not released at same time as Windows version
contrary to advertising.

The download of SimCity 5 only mentions Windows compatibility.

SimCity 5 can ONLY be played with an internet connection. This is
clearly a DRM requirement.

Online connection being required apparently a very large number of
downloaders have not been able to play the game due to server problems.

Some who have played the game have had their cities disappear after
server problems.

Amazon.com took the game off sale for a number of hours and now has a
caution/disclaimer that players may experience serious problem with the
Internet aspect of the play.

Since SimCity is a single player game forcing you to be connected is a
very major drawback to those with slower connections, or even for
travelers.

Denver Dan

Sat Mar 9, 2013 8:10 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Dane Reugger" dar2112

Same thing happened but to a lesser degree with Diablo 3 - the same DRM
requirement and servers were overloaded. The upside is it looks like Sim
players will get a free game.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57573434-1/after-launch-mess-ea-pledges-free-game-for-simcity-players/

-Dane

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net> wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> Reviews are coming in on the March 5 release of SimCity 5 and many are
> very negative.
>
> Several commentators have mentioned that it may be the most negatively
> rated product in the history of Amazon.com.
>
> The Mac version was not released at same time as Windows version
> contrary to advertising.
>
> The download of SimCity 5 only mentions Windows compatibility.
>
> SimCity 5 can ONLY be played with an internet connection. This is
> clearly a DRM requirement.
>
> Online connection being required apparently a very large number of
> downloaders have not been able to play the game due to server problems.
>
> Some who have played the game have had their cities disappear after
> server problems.
>
> Amazon.com took the game off sale for a number of hours and now has a
> caution/disclaimer that players may experience serious problem with the
> Internet aspect of the play.
>
> Since SimCity is a single player game forcing you to be connected is a
> very major drawback to those with slower connections, or even for
> travelers.
>
> Denver Dan
>
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 8:32 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Bess Glenn" bessglenn

Does anyone have an understanding of this? Anyone have a way around it?
I have really bad arthritis and typing is very painful.
I don't have $100 more for Mac dragon. I bought dragon express but can't
make it work.
Bess

Sat Mar 9, 2013 9:22 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Dane Reugger" dar2112

I know virtually nothing about these products but I assume you are
referring to Mac Dictate which is $200 and $100 more Dragon Naturally
Speaking Home?

My *guess* is that they feel Mac Dictate compares with Dragon Naturally
Speaking Premium which has the same retail cost of $200.

Amazon seems to be selling Mac Dictate for $70 off of retail @ $130 - I
hope that helps.

http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Dictate-Version-3-0-Mac/dp/B009348X7Q/

FWIW - I have never even heard of dragon express?

-Dane

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Bess Glenn <bessglenn@theriver.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have an understanding of this? Anyone have a way around it?
> I have really bad arthritis and typing is very painful.
> I don't have $100 more for Mac dragon. I bought dragon express but can't
> make it work.
> Bess
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"John Engberg" mrbyte

I'll be sending you the hang report off-list, but before I do I want to fill in everyone regarding my experience trying to implement your suggestion. It's sort of a cautionary tale.

First of all Safari did not take kindly to being deleted. I had to use TrashIt! to do it. I thought that I could then use Software Update to replace Safari, but that didn't work (that may have been a problem of receipts), so I looked for Safari on the Apple web site, but the latest version of Safari that was available for download was Safari 5.1.7 (for Snow Leopard). I was able to download it, but it wouldn't open.

I tried to restore Safari from my TimeMachine, but it wouldn't cooperate; not that that was actually a promising avenue of attack, since my backups only date back to 31 January.

Next I used Pacifist to extract and install Safari from an OS X 10.8.2 installer. It extracted and installed Safari, but Safari wouldn't work, complaining of being corrupted or being an incomplete install.

I then resorted to restoring the OS. Since I have an OS X 10.8 installer that only took about 40 minutes. Subsequent to the restore, I tried Safari. It quit twice properly (I thought I'd died and gone to Heaven), but on the third try, it hung and had to be force quit. Undaunted, I tried again several times (testing the definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome), but Safari wouldn't cooperate and had to be force quit each time. I then updated to OS X 10.8.2, tried Safari again, but on joy.

I've tried quitting Safari in a test account, guest account and root account and I have no problems. This only happens in my account.

So here we are. What do we do now?

John Engberg

On Mar 9, 2013, at 2:50 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yes. I think you can click beneath my name in the list. Since Safari is a free download, you might download the safari app first from apple, then trash the present safari app. better if you use AppZapper, but ok if not. Empty trash, then reinstall safari and see if it helps.
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
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>> The hang report is 426k. That's a lot of text. The the entire hang report appeared the second Safari was force quit. Do you want me to send you the report off-list?
>>
>> John Engberg
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>> On Mar 9, 2013, at 1:49 PM, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
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>>> What was the console readout at the moment Safari hung? The console reports are timed.
>>>
>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, John Engberg <mrbyte@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I presume you meant to shut off a all apps except Safari and Finder. I also presume you meant shut down Safari. That being said, I did that and found a Safari hang report among the system diagnostic reports in Console. The problem is, there are about x 1000 lines of data. What am I looking for?
>>>>
>>>> I saw launchd and dyld coming up a number of times, so I rebuilt LaunchServices and dyld's shared cache with Oynx. That seemed to work until I tried to quit Safari after two successful quits; however, it hung on the third try.
>>>>
>>>> John Engberg
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>>>> On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:03 AM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@> wrote:
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>>>>> Shut off all applications except Finder. Open Applications/Utilities/Console. What is it saying is happening the moment you chose Shut Down? Something will be reported as erring.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, John Engberg <mrbyte@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the weirdest problem with Safari (v6.0.2). Most of the time it won't quit and I have to force quit it. It will quit properly the first time I open it after I have rebooted my machine, but the second time and thereafter (most of the time), it refuses to quit. It just hangs, showing the SPOD. I have let it run all night and it still wouldn't quit. The next morning the SPOD was still working. I don't have this problem with any other app. I have no clue as to why this is happening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas out there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Engberg
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