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Sat Mar 9, 2013 5:59 am (PST) . Posted by:
"John Engberg" mrbyte
I have the weirdest problem with Safari (v6.0.2). Most of the time it won't quit and I have to force quit it. It will quit properly the first time I open it after I have rebooted my machine, but the second time and thereafter (most of the time), it refuses to quit. It just hangs, showing the SPOD. I have let it run all night and it still wouldn't quit. The next morning the SPOD was still working. I don't have this problem with any other app. I have no clue as to why this is happening.
I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
Any ideas out there?
John Engberg
I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
Any ideas out there?
John Engberg
Sat Mar 9, 2013 8:04 am (PST) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
Shut off all applications except Finder. Open Applications/Utilities/Console. What is it saying is happening the moment you chose Shut Down? Something will be reported as erring.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
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> I have the weirdest problem with Safari (v6.0.2). Most of the time it won't quit and I have to force quit it. It will quit properly the first time I open it after I have rebooted my machine, but the second time and thereafter (most of the time), it refuses to quit. It just hangs, showing the SPOD. I have let it run all night and it still wouldn't quit. The next morning the SPOD was still working. I don't have this problem with any other app. I have no clue as to why this is happening.
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> I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
>
> I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
>
> The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
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> I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
>
> Any ideas out there?
>
> John Engberg
>
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> I have the weirdest problem with Safari (v6.0.2). Most of the time it won't quit and I have to force quit it. It will quit properly the first time I open it after I have rebooted my machine, but the second time and thereafter (most of the time), it refuses to quit. It just hangs, showing the SPOD. I have let it run all night and it still wouldn't quit. The next morning the SPOD was still working. I don't have this problem with any other app. I have no clue as to why this is happening.
>
> I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
>
> I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
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> The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
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> I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
>
> Any ideas out there?
>
> John Engberg
>
Sat Mar 9, 2013 10:33 am (PST) . Posted by:
"John Engberg" mrbyte
I presume you meant to shut off a all apps except Safari and Finder. I also presume you meant shut down Safari. That being said, I did that and found a Safari hang report among the system diagnostic reports in Console. The problem is, there are about x 1000 lines of data. What am I looking for?
I saw launchd and dyld coming up a number of times, so I rebuilt LaunchServices and dyld's shared cache with Oynx. That seemed to work until I tried to quit Safari after two successful quits; however, it hung on the third try.
John Engberg
On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:03 AM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Shut off all applications except Finder. Open Applications/Utilities/Console. What is it saying is happening the moment you chose Shut Down? Something will be reported as erring.
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> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
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>> I have the weirdest problem with Safari (v6.0.2). Most of the time it won't quit and I have to force quit it. It will quit properly the first time I open it after I have rebooted my machine, but the second time and thereafter (most of the time), it refuses to quit. It just hangs, showing the SPOD. I have let it run all night and it still wouldn't quit. The next morning the SPOD was still working. I don't have this problem with any other app. I have no clue as to why this is happening.
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>> I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
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>> I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
>>
>> The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
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>> I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
>>
>> Any ideas out there?
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>> John Engberg
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I saw launchd and dyld coming up a number of times, so I rebuilt LaunchServices and dyld's shared cache with Oynx. That seemed to work until I tried to quit Safari after two successful quits; however, it hung on the third try.
John Engberg
On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:03 AM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.
> Shut off all applications except Finder. Open Applications/
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@
>>
>> I have the weirdest problem with Safari (v6.0.2). Most of the time it won't quit and I have to force quit it. It will quit properly the first time I open it after I have rebooted my machine, but the second time and thereafter (most of the time), it refuses to quit. It just hangs, showing the SPOD. I have let it run all night and it still wouldn't quit. The next morning the SPOD was still working. I don't have this problem with any other app. I have no clue as to why this is happening.
>>
>> I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
>>
>> I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
>>
>> The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
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>> I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
>>
>> Any ideas out there?
>>
>> John Engberg
>>
Sat Mar 9, 2013 10:49 am (PST) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
What was the console readout at the moment Safari hung? The console reports are timed.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
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> I presume you meant to shut off a all apps except Safari and Finder. I also presume you meant shut down Safari. That being said, I did that and found a Safari hang report among the system diagnostic reports in Console. The problem is, there are about x 1000 lines of data. What am I looking for?
>
> I saw launchd and dyld coming up a number of times, so I rebuilt LaunchServices and dyld's shared cache with Oynx. That seemed to work until I tried to quit Safari after two successful quits; however, it hung on the third try.
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> John Engberg
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> On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:03 AM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
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> > Shut off all applications except Finder. Open Applications/Utilities/Console. What is it saying is happening the moment you chose Shut Down? Something will be reported as erring.
> >
> > --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have the weirdest problem with Safari (v6.0.2). Most of the time it won't quit and I have to force quit it. It will quit properly the first time I open it after I have rebooted my machine, but the second time and thereafter (most of the time), it refuses to quit. It just hangs, showing the SPOD. I have let it run all night and it still wouldn't quit. The next morning the SPOD was still working. I don't have this problem with any other app. I have no clue as to why this is happening.
> >>
> >> I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
> >>
> >> I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
> >>
> >> The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
> >>
> >> I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
> >>
> >> Any ideas out there?
> >>
> >> John Engberg
> >>
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> I presume you meant to shut off a all apps except Safari and Finder. I also presume you meant shut down Safari. That being said, I did that and found a Safari hang report among the system diagnostic reports in Console. The problem is, there are about x 1000 lines of data. What am I looking for?
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> I saw launchd and dyld coming up a number of times, so I rebuilt LaunchServices and dyld's shared cache with Oynx. That seemed to work until I tried to quit Safari after two successful quits; however, it hung on the third try.
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> John Engberg
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> On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:03 AM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
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> > Shut off all applications except Finder. Open Applications/
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> >> I have the weirdest problem with Safari (v6.0.2). Most of the time it won't quit and I have to force quit it. It will quit properly the first time I open it after I have rebooted my machine, but the second time and thereafter (most of the time), it refuses to quit. It just hangs, showing the SPOD. I have let it run all night and it still wouldn't quit. The next morning the SPOD was still working. I don't have this problem with any other app. I have no clue as to why this is happening.
> >>
> >> I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
> >>
> >> I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
> >>
> >> The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
> >>
> >> I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
> >>
> >> Any ideas out there?
> >>
> >> John Engberg
> >>
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 11:25 am (PST) . Posted by:
"John Engberg" mrbyte
The hang report is 426k. That's a lot of text. The the entire hang report appeared the second Safari was force quit. Do you want me to send you the report off-list?
John Engberg
On Mar 9, 2013, at 1:49 PM, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@yahoo.com > wrote:
> What was the console readout at the moment Safari hung? The console reports are timed.
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
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>> I presume you meant to shut off a all apps except Safari and Finder. I also presume you meant shut down Safari. That being said, I did that and found a Safari hang report among the system diagnostic reports in Console. The problem is, there are about x 1000 lines of data. What am I looking for?
>>
>> I saw launchd and dyld coming up a number of times, so I rebuilt LaunchServices and dyld's shared cache with Oynx. That seemed to work until I tried to quit Safari after two successful quits; however, it hung on the third try.
>>
>> John Engberg
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>> On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:03 AM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
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>>> Shut off all applications except Finder. Open Applications/Utilities/Console. What is it saying is happening the moment you chose Shut Down? Something will be reported as erring.
>>>
>>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have the weirdest problem with Safari (v6.0.2). Most of the time it won't quit and I have to force quit it. It will quit properly the first time I open it after I have rebooted my machine, but the second time and thereafter (most of the time), it refuses to quit. It just hangs, showing the SPOD. I have let it run all night and it still wouldn't quit. The next morning the SPOD was still working. I don't have this problem with any other app. I have no clue as to why this is happening.
>>>>
>>>> I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
>>>>
>>>> I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
>>>>
>>>> The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
>>>>
>>>> I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas out there?
>>>>
>>>> John Engberg
>>>>
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On Mar 9, 2013, at 1:49 PM, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@yahoo.
> What was the console readout at the moment Safari hung? The console reports are timed.
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>> I presume you meant to shut off a all apps except Safari and Finder. I also presume you meant shut down Safari. That being said, I did that and found a Safari hang report among the system diagnostic reports in Console. The problem is, there are about x 1000 lines of data. What am I looking for?
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>> I saw launchd and dyld coming up a number of times, so I rebuilt LaunchServices and dyld's shared cache with Oynx. That seemed to work until I tried to quit Safari after two successful quits; however, it hung on the third try.
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>> John Engberg
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 11:50 am (PST) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
Yes. I think you can click beneath my name in the list. Since Safari is a free download, you might download the safari app first from apple, then trash the present safari app. better if you use AppZapper, but ok if not. Empty trash, then reinstall safari and see if it helps.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
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> The hang report is 426k. That's a lot of text. The the entire hang report appeared the second Safari was force quit. Do you want me to send you the report off-list?
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> John Engberg
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> On Mar 9, 2013, at 1:49 PM, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
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> > What was the console readout at the moment Safari hung? The console reports are timed.
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> > --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I presume you meant to shut off a all apps except Safari and Finder. I also presume you meant shut down Safari. That being said, I did that and found a Safari hang report among the system diagnostic reports in Console. The problem is, there are about x 1000 lines of data. What am I looking for?
> >>
> >> I saw launchd and dyld coming up a number of times, so I rebuilt LaunchServices and dyld's shared cache with Oynx. That seemed to work until I tried to quit Safari after two successful quits; however, it hung on the third try.
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> >> John Engberg
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> >> On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:03 AM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@> wrote:
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> >>> Shut off all applications except Finder. Open Applications/Utilities/Console. What is it saying is happening the moment you chose Shut Down? Something will be reported as erring.
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> >>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have the weirdest problem with Safari (v6.0.2). Most of the time it won't quit and I have to force quit it. It will quit properly the first time I open it after I have rebooted my machine, but the second time and thereafter (most of the time), it refuses to quit. It just hangs, showing the SPOD. I have let it run all night and it still wouldn't quit. The next morning the SPOD was still working. I don't have this problem with any other app. I have no clue as to why this is happening.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm running OS x 10.8.2 on a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 iMac I have two other machines running 10.8.2 with Safari 6.0.2 that do not have this problem. They basically are running clones of my main computer - not totally, but close. The Safari extensions and plug-ins are the same on all the machines.
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> >>>> I have these extensions active: Incognito, Ghostery, AdBlock, Videobox, Youtube5, DivX Plus Web Player HTML5, and WOT.
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> >>>> The following plugins are installed: Browser Plus (from Yahoo), DivX Web Player, DivX VOD Helper Plug-in, Flip4Mac Windows Media, Garmin Communicator , Glims, Google Earth , Google Talk, Google Talk Video Accelerator, Google Talk Video Renderer, iPhotocast, Java Applet n, Musicnotes, PDF Browser Plugin 2.4.4, Picasa, QuickTime Plug-in 7.7.1, Shockwave Flash, Shockwave for Director, Sibelius Scorch, Silverlight, and WebKit built-in PDF.
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> >>>> I have run Diskwarrior, Disk Repair, reset permissions and ACLs, and reset Safari to no avail. I have even reinstalled the OS.
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> The hang report is 426k. That's a lot of text. The the entire hang report appeared the second Safari was force quit. Do you want me to send you the report off-list?
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> John Engberg
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> On Mar 9, 2013, at 1:49 PM, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@
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> > What was the console readout at the moment Safari hung? The console reports are timed.
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> >> I presume you meant to shut off a all apps except Safari and Finder. I also presume you meant shut down Safari. That being said, I did that and found a Safari hang report among the system diagnostic reports in Console. The problem is, there are about x 1000 lines of data. What am I looking for?
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 6:21 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Carol Corley" floridabouvs
At our local newspaper, the photogs and page designers all use Macs, the writers use PCs.
Carol
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 9:26 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
> But in the Enterprise (large businesses) the Mac has too many other disadvantages other than just software availability.
> Randy B. Singer
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Randy,
I'm interested in what all the roadblocks are to corporate use of Macs. It sounds like you're saying there's more than software and hardware cost in keeping Macs out of the mainstream corp. office?
Thanks,
Dave
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> Randy B. Singer
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Randy,
I'm interested in what all the roadblocks are to corporate use of Macs. It sounds like you're saying there's more than software and hardware cost in keeping Macs out of the mainstream corp. office?
Thanks,
Dave
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 10:07 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Dane Reugger" dar2112
Another issue is manageability - Windows combined with a Windows Server
give you Domain/Forest (Active Directory, Group Policy, etc). A Mac can
certainly be connected to a Windows Server but the managing (adding /
removing network shares, resetting passwords, etc) is much more labor
intensive. There is software that attempts to bring some features of a
Domain but it just becomes another thing to manage. Most businesses will
not avoid Macs because they are a little more expensive to buy but they
don't want the burden of maintaining them unless it benefits the company in
some way. Most office computers are task specific so the end users
experience or opinion of the experience is generally irrelevant.
As far as software it isn't even close in Mac verses PC but as more and
more becomes web based that will become less relevant.
-Dane
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.com > wrote:
> acs. It sounds like you're saying there's more than software and hardware
> cost in keeping Macs out of the mainstream corp. office?
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give you Domain/Forest (Active Directory, Group Policy, etc). A Mac can
certainly be connected to a Windows Server but the managing (adding /
removing network shares, resetting passwords, etc) is much more labor
intensive. There is software that attempts to bring some features of a
Domain but it just becomes another thing to manage. Most businesses will
not avoid Macs because they are a little more expensive to buy but they
don't want the burden of maintaining them unless it benefits the company in
some way. Most office computers are task specific so the end users
experience or opinion of the experience is generally irrelevant.
As far as software it isn't even close in Mac verses PC but as more and
more becomes web based that will become less relevant.
-Dane
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.
> acs. It sounds like you're saying there's more than software and hardware
> cost in keeping Macs out of the mainstream corp. office?
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 10:26 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
Thanks Dane for your perspective. That helps fill out the "why" of PCs in the corporate world nicely.
Dave
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On Mar 9, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Dane Reugger wrote:
> Another issue is manageability - Windows combined with a Windows Server
> give you Domain/Forest (Active Directory, Group Policy, etc). A Mac can
> certainly be connected to a Windows Server but the managing (adding /
> removing network shares, resetting passwords, etc) is much more labor
> intensive. There is software that attempts to bring some features of a
> Domain but it just becomes another thing to manage. Most businesses will
> not avoid Macs because they are a little more expensive to buy but they
> don't want the burden of maintaining them unless it benefits the company in
> some way. Most office computers are task specific so the end users
> experience or opinion of the experience is generally irrelevant.
>
> As far as software it isn't even close in Mac verses PC but as more and
> more becomes web based that will become less relevant.
>
> -Dane
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Dave
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On Mar 9, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Dane Reugger wrote:
> Another issue is manageability - Windows combined with a Windows Server
> give you Domain/Forest (Active Directory, Group Policy, etc). A Mac can
> certainly be connected to a Windows Server but the managing (adding /
> removing network shares, resetting passwords, etc) is much more labor
> intensive. There is software that attempts to bring some features of a
> Domain but it just becomes another thing to manage. Most businesses will
> not avoid Macs because they are a little more expensive to buy but they
> don't want the burden of maintaining them unless it benefits the company in
> some way. Most office computers are task specific so the end users
> experience or opinion of the experience is generally irrelevant.
>
> As far as software it isn't even close in Mac verses PC but as more and
> more becomes web based that will become less relevant.
>
> -Dane
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 7:59 am (PST) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
If you can't write DL, then you are stuck w Blu-Ray disk burning. That I thought was overkill. Maybe I am short sided. Maybe I would be using floppies still. Naw. :)
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@...> wrote:
>
> It is the LG model WH14NS40. I purchased it through tigerdirect.com
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7462667&CatId=3634
>
> Unfortunately the unit I received did not have the latest firmware
> revision. With the older firmware it was not able to write to any DL, TL or
> QL media. The firmware update is downloadable, but is only available as a
> Windows executable. I was able to run it using Windows 7 Pro under
> BootCamp. It did not work under either Parallels nor VMWare Fusion.
>
> HTH
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:44 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > > I just bought a SATA LG Blu-Ray 14x burner for $60 USD.*
> >
> > > It is the best of all worlds. You only need extra software if you want to
> > > deal w*ith burning Blu-Ray media or playing Blu-Ray movies. *
> > >
> > Sir, where did you buy this burner? I'd like to check it out too. Thanks.
> > jr
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> It is the LG model WH14NS40. I purchased it through tigerdirect.
> http://www.tigerdir
>
> Unfortunately the unit I received did not have the latest firmware
> revision. With the older firmware it was not able to write to any DL, TL or
> QL media. The firmware update is downloadable, but is only available as a
> Windows executable. I was able to run it using Windows 7 Pro under
> BootCamp. It did not work under either Parallels nor VMWare Fusion.
>
> HTH
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:44 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > > I just bought a SATA LG Blu-Ray 14x burner for $60 USD.*
> >
> > > It is the best of all worlds. You only need extra software if you want to
> > > deal w*ith burning Blu-Ray media or playing Blu-Ray movies. *
> > >
> > Sir, where did you buy this burner? I'd like to check it out too. Thanks.
> > jr
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Sat Mar 9, 2013 10:25 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler
Sorry, I should have been more clear. The problem I encountered was, with
the old firmware, the drive would not burn *Blu-Ray* DL, TL or QL media. It
still burned DVD DL media.
Jon
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:59 AM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> If you can't write DL, then you are stuck w Blu-Ray disk burning. That I
> thought was overkill. Maybe I am short sided. Maybe I would be using
> floppies still. Naw. :)
>
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > It is the LG model WH14NS40. I purchased it through tigerdirect.com
> >
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7462667&CatId=3634
> >
> > Unfortunately the unit I received did not have the latest firmware
> > revision. With the older firmware it was not able to write to any DL, TL
> or
> > QL media. The firmware update is downloadable, but is only available as a
> > Windows executable. I was able to run it using Windows 7 Pro under
> > BootCamp. It did not work under either Parallels nor VMWare Fusion.
> >
> > HTH
> > Jon
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:44 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > I just bought a SATA LG Blu-Ray 14x burner for $60 USD.*
> > >
> > > > It is the best of all worlds. You only need extra software if you
> want to
> > > > deal w*ith burning Blu-Ray media or playing Blu-Ray movies. *
> > > >
> > > Sir, where did you buy this burner? I'd like to check it out too.
> Thanks.
> > > jr
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
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the old firmware, the drive would not burn *Blu-Ray* DL, TL or QL media. It
still burned DVD DL media.
Jon
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:59 AM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.
> **
>
>
> If you can't write DL, then you are stuck w Blu-Ray disk burning. That I
> thought was overkill. Maybe I am short sided. Maybe I would be using
> floppies still. Naw. :)
>
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@
> wrote:
> >
> > It is the LG model WH14NS40. I purchased it through tigerdirect.
> >
> http://www.tigerdir
> >
> > Unfortunately the unit I received did not have the latest firmware
> > revision. With the older firmware it was not able to write to any DL, TL
> or
> > QL media. The firmware update is downloadable, but is only available as a
> > Windows executable. I was able to run it using Windows 7 Pro under
> > BootCamp. It did not work under either Parallels nor VMWare Fusion.
> >
> > HTH
> > Jon
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:44 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > I just bought a SATA LG Blu-Ray 14x burner for $60 USD.*
> > >
> > > > It is the best of all worlds. You only need extra software if you
> want to
> > > > deal w*ith burning Blu-Ray media or playing Blu-Ray movies. *
> > > >
> > > Sir, where did you buy this burner? I'd like to check it out too.
> Thanks.
> > > jr
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 10:11 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Joan B. Sax, Ph.D." joan05061
What experience do any of you have with a word processing program for the iPad? How about Pages? Can it open a MS Word Document? Any suggestions are welcome. I don't expect to do complicated stuff that I would have to do on my Mac, but being able to open files and make minor changes would be helpful, if that is possible.
Joan in Vermont where I mis-wrote about winter hanging on, today is T-shrit weather (while south of us they had a foot of snow yesterday - curiouser and curioser)
Joan in Vermont where I mis-wrote about winter hanging on, today is T-shrit weather (while south of us they had a foot of snow yesterday - curiouser and curioser)
Sat Mar 9, 2013 10:34 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Yes, Pages can open Word docs, and also export in Word format.
You should find this worth a read.
<
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/top_apps_for_word_processing_on_the_ipad >
or
<http://bit.ly/SSjaoH >
Otto
On 9 March 2013 18:11, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. <jsax@me.com> wrote:
> What experience do any of you have with a word processing program for the
> iPad? How about Pages? Can it open a MS Word Document? Any suggestions are
> welcome. I don't expect to do complicated stuff that I would have to do on
> my Mac, but being able to open files and make minor changes would be
> helpful, if that is possible.
>
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You should find this worth a read.
<
http://www.macobser
or
<http://bit.ly/
Otto
On 9 March 2013 18:11, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. <jsax@me.com> wrote:
> What experience do any of you have with a word processing program for the
> iPad? How about Pages? Can it open a MS Word Document? Any suggestions are
> welcome. I don't expect to do complicated stuff that I would have to do on
> my Mac, but being able to open files and make minor changes would be
> helpful, if that is possible.
>
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Sat Mar 9, 2013 3:05 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Mar 9, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:
> What experience do any of you have with a word processing program for the iPad? How about Pages? Can it open a MS Word Document? Any suggestions are welcome. I don't expect to do complicated stuff that I would have to do on my Mac, but being able to open files and make minor changes would be helpful, if that is possible.
(Each of these programs can read, edit, and create Microsoft Word documents on your iPad. Note that none of them have all the functionality of Word on your Macintosh [as you might expect as the iPad is not as powerful as a Mac.] e.g. Things like footnotes may not show up, or may be formatted unusually.)
OfficeSquared/
http://www.bytesqua
http://www.bytesqua
https://itunes.
(can handle Word footnotes)
Docs to Go/Premium $17
http://www.dataviz.
https://itunes.
QuickOffice/
(now owned by Google)
http://www.quickoff
https://itunes.
Pages $10
https://itunes.
CloudOn (free...for now)
http://site.
(I highly recommend checking this out!)
OnLive (free to $10/month)
http://desktop.
And, if you don't mind doing your Word processing in the Cloud from your iPad's browser, there is now a cloud-based version of Microsoft Office:
Office365
http://office.
http://office.
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
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