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Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:45 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"hester" drhester_06107
Hi John,
I hope I'm allowed to say this on this list. But if you purchased extended 3-year Apple support, it might be wise to call them up. I love this list and the people are great, and helpful. But not always right.
Apple genius bar, etc are good at hardware. The phone guys are v. good @ software.
Just my 2 cents.
hester
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> I'll be sending you the hang report off-list, but before I do I want to fill in everyone regarding my experience trying to implement your suggestion. It's sort of a cautionary tale.
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> First of all Safari did not take kindly to being deleted. I had to use TrashIt! to do it. I thought that I could then use Software Update to replace Safari, but that didn't work (that may have been a problem of receipts), so I looked for Safari on the Apple web site, but the latest version of Safari that was available for download was Safari 5.1.7 (for Snow Leopard). I was able to download it, but it wouldn't open.
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> I tried to restore Safari from my TimeMachine, but it wouldn't cooperate; not that that was actually a promising avenue of attack, since my backups only date back to 31 January.
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> Next I used Pacifist to extract and install Safari from an OS X 10.8.2 installer. It extracted and installed Safari, but Safari wouldn't work, complaining of being corrupted or being an incomplete install.
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> I then resorted to restoring the OS. Since I have an OS X 10.8 installer that only took about 40 minutes. Subsequent to the restore, I tried Safari. It quit twice properly (I thought I'd died and gone to Heaven), but on the third try, it hung and had to be force quit. Undaunted, I tried again several times (testing the definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome), but Safari wouldn't cooperate and had to be force quit each time. I then updated to OS X 10.8.2, tried Safari again, but on joy.
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> I've tried quitting Safari in a test account, guest account and root account and I have no problems. This only happens in my account.
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> So here we are. What do we do now?
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> John Engberg
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:39 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"John Engberg" mrbyte
I've got Apple Care, Hester. I was just hoping someone on the list might have the answer to this. I guess I'll have to call them. I'd just as soon not have to drag the 27" machine to the Apple Store.
John
On Mar 10, 2013, at 9:45 AM, "hester" <dhreik@gmail.com > wrote:
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> Hi John,
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> I hope I'm allowed to say this on this list. But if you purchased extended 3-year Apple support, it might be wise to call them up. I love this list and the people are great, and helpful. But not always right.
>
> Apple genius bar, etc are good at hardware. The phone guys are v. good @ software.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
> hester
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
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>> I'll be sending you the hang report off-list, but before I do I want to fill in everyone regarding my experience trying to implement your suggestion. It's sort of a cautionary tale.
>>
>> First of all Safari did not take kindly to being deleted. I had to use TrashIt! to do it. I thought that I could then use Software Update to replace Safari, but that didn't work (that may have been a problem of receipts), so I looked for Safari on the Apple web site, but the latest version of Safari that was available for download was Safari 5.1.7 (for Snow Leopard). I was able to download it, but it wouldn't open.
>>
>> I tried to restore Safari from my TimeMachine, but it wouldn't cooperate; not that that was actually a promising avenue of attack, since my backups only date back to 31 January.
>>
>> Next I used Pacifist to extract and install Safari from an OS X 10.8.2 installer. It extracted and installed Safari, but Safari wouldn't work, complaining of being corrupted or being an incomplete install.
>>
>> I then resorted to restoring the OS. Since I have an OS X 10.8 installer that only took about 40 minutes. Subsequent to the restore, I tried Safari. It quit twice properly (I thought I'd died and gone to Heaven), but on the third try, it hung and had to be force quit. Undaunted, I tried again several times (testing the definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome), but Safari wouldn't cooperate and had to be force quit each time. I then updated to OS X 10.8.2, tried Safari again, but on joy.
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>> I've tried quitting Safari in a test account, guest account and root account and I have no problems. This only happens in my account.
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>> So here we are. What do we do now?
>>
>> John Engberg
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On Mar 10, 2013, at 9:45 AM, "hester" <dhreik@gmail.
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> Hi John,
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> I hope I'm allowed to say this on this list. But if you purchased extended 3-year Apple support, it might be wise to call them up. I love this list and the people are great, and helpful. But not always right.
>
> Apple genius bar, etc are good at hardware. The phone guys are v. good @ software.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
> hester
> --- In macsupportcentral@
>>
>> I'll be sending you the hang report off-list, but before I do I want to fill in everyone regarding my experience trying to implement your suggestion. It's sort of a cautionary tale.
>>
>> First of all Safari did not take kindly to being deleted. I had to use TrashIt! to do it. I thought that I could then use Software Update to replace Safari, but that didn't work (that may have been a problem of receipts), so I looked for Safari on the Apple web site, but the latest version of Safari that was available for download was Safari 5.1.7 (for Snow Leopard). I was able to download it, but it wouldn't open.
>>
>> I tried to restore Safari from my TimeMachine, but it wouldn't cooperate; not that that was actually a promising avenue of attack, since my backups only date back to 31 January.
>>
>> Next I used Pacifist to extract and install Safari from an OS X 10.8.2 installer. It extracted and installed Safari, but Safari wouldn't work, complaining of being corrupted or being an incomplete install.
>>
>> I then resorted to restoring the OS. Since I have an OS X 10.8 installer that only took about 40 minutes. Subsequent to the restore, I tried Safari. It quit twice properly (I thought I'd died and gone to Heaven), but on the third try, it hung and had to be force quit. Undaunted, I tried again several times (testing the definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome), but Safari wouldn't cooperate and had to be force quit each time. I then updated to OS X 10.8.2, tried Safari again, but on joy.
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>> I've tried quitting Safari in a test account, guest account and root account and I have no problems. This only happens in my account.
>>
>> So here we are. What do we do now?
>>
>> John Engberg
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:47 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"John Engberg" mrbyte
Well, folks, the problem with Safari hanging seems to have been rectified. At least at this time Safari is now quitting normally. The culprit appeared to be GLIMS, although their may have been some involvement of CGContext and Threadsafe (don't ask - I don't know what they are or do.). Upon removing GLIMS, safari started behaving normally. My thanks to John Robinson for pointing me in the right direction in Console so I could see the events as they occurred. I had to look at all messages, not just the hang messages.
John Engberg
On Mar 10, 2013, at 1:39 PM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.net > wrote:
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>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll be sending you the hang report off-list, but before I do I want to fill in everyone regarding my experience trying to implement your suggestion. It's sort of a cautionary tale.
>>>
>>> First of all Safari did not take kindly to being deleted. I had to use TrashIt! to do it. I thought that I could then use Software Update to replace Safari, but that didn't work (that may have been a problem of receipts), so I looked for Safari on the Apple web site, but the latest version of Safari that was available for download was Safari 5.1.7 (for Snow Leopard). I was able to download it, but it wouldn't open.
>>>
>>> I tried to restore Safari from my TimeMachine, but it wouldn't cooperate; not that that was actually a promising avenue of attack, since my backups only date back to 31 January.
>>>
>>> Next I used Pacifist to extract and install Safari from an OS X 10.8.2 installer. It extracted and installed Safari, but Safari wouldn't work, complaining of being corrupted or being an incomplete install.
>>>
>>> I then resorted to restoring the OS. Since I have an OS X 10.8 installer that only took about 40 minutes. Subsequent to the restore, I tried Safari. It quit twice properly (I thought I'd died and gone to Heaven), but on the third try, it hung and had to be force quit. Undaunted, I tried again several times (testing the definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome), but Safari wouldn't cooperate and had to be force quit each time. I then updated to OS X 10.8.2, tried Safari again, but on joy.
>>>
>>> I've tried quitting Safari in a test account, guest account and root account and I have no problems. This only happens in my account.
>>>
>>> So here we are. What do we do now?
>>>
>>> John Engberg
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On Mar 10, 2013, at 1:39 PM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.
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>> --- In macsupportcentral@
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>>> I'll be sending you the hang report off-list, but before I do I want to fill in everyone regarding my experience trying to implement your suggestion. It's sort of a cautionary tale.
>>>
>>> First of all Safari did not take kindly to being deleted. I had to use TrashIt! to do it. I thought that I could then use Software Update to replace Safari, but that didn't work (that may have been a problem of receipts), so I looked for Safari on the Apple web site, but the latest version of Safari that was available for download was Safari 5.1.7 (for Snow Leopard). I was able to download it, but it wouldn't open.
>>>
>>> I tried to restore Safari from my TimeMachine, but it wouldn't cooperate; not that that was actually a promising avenue of attack, since my backups only date back to 31 January.
>>>
>>> Next I used Pacifist to extract and install Safari from an OS X 10.8.2 installer. It extracted and installed Safari, but Safari wouldn't work, complaining of being corrupted or being an incomplete install.
>>>
>>> I then resorted to restoring the OS. Since I have an OS X 10.8 installer that only took about 40 minutes. Subsequent to the restore, I tried Safari. It quit twice properly (I thought I'd died and gone to Heaven), but on the third try, it hung and had to be force quit. Undaunted, I tried again several times (testing the definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome), but Safari wouldn't cooperate and had to be force quit each time. I then updated to OS X 10.8.2, tried Safari again, but on joy.
>>>
>>> I've tried quitting Safari in a test account, guest account and root account and I have no problems. This only happens in my account.
>>>
>>> So here we are. What do we do now?
>>>
>>> John Engberg
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
GLIMS is an add-on for Safari. In other words a third-party app you added to your Mac.
While Safari can be added to other OS as a standalone app, it is an integrated part of the Mac OS, so I am not surprised that you had problems removing and re-installing it. Remember, the way you set the default browser is with Safari's prefs, not a Pref pane in Sys Prefs. Especially if the download you found was a version earlier than your OS X version can use.
On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:47 PM, John Engberg wrote:
Well, folks, the problem with Safari hanging seems to have been rectified. At least at this time Safari is now quitting normally. The culprit appeared to be GLIMS, although their may have been some involvement of CGContext and Threadsafe (don't ask - I don't know what they are or do.). Upon removing GLIMS, safari started behaving normally. My thanks to John Robinson for pointing me in the right direction in Console so I could see the events as they occurred. I had to look at all messages, not just the hang messages.
John Engberg
On Mar 10, 2013, at 1:39 PM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.net > wrote:
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>> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
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>>> I'll be sending you the hang report off-list, but before I do I want to fill in everyone regarding my experience trying to implement your suggestion. It's sort of a cautionary tale.
>>>
>>> First of all Safari did not take kindly to being deleted. I had to use TrashIt! to do it. I thought that I could then use Software Update to replace Safari, but that didn't work (that may have been a problem of receipts), so I looked for Safari on the Apple web site, but the latest version of Safari that was available for download was Safari 5.1.7 (for Snow Leopard). I was able to download it, but it wouldn't open.
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While Safari can be added to other OS as a standalone app, it is an integrated part of the Mac OS, so I am not surprised that you had problems removing and re-installing it. Remember, the way you set the default browser is with Safari's prefs, not a Pref pane in Sys Prefs. Especially if the download you found was a version earlier than your OS X version can use.
On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:47 PM, John Engberg wrote:
Well, folks, the problem with Safari hanging seems to have been rectified. At least at this time Safari is now quitting normally. The culprit appeared to be GLIMS, although their may have been some involvement of CGContext and Threadsafe (don't ask - I don't know what they are or do.). Upon removing GLIMS, safari started behaving normally. My thanks to John Robinson for pointing me in the right direction in Console so I could see the events as they occurred. I had to look at all messages, not just the hang messages.
John Engberg
On Mar 10, 2013, at 1:39 PM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.
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>> --- In macsupportcentral@
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>>> I'll be sending you the hang report off-list, but before I do I want to fill in everyone regarding my experience trying to implement your suggestion. It's sort of a cautionary tale.
>>>
>>> First of all Safari did not take kindly to being deleted. I had to use TrashIt! to do it. I thought that I could then use Software Update to replace Safari, but that didn't work (that may have been a problem of receipts), so I looked for Safari on the Apple web site, but the latest version of Safari that was available for download was Safari 5.1.7 (for Snow Leopard). I was able to download it, but it wouldn't open.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"John Engberg" mrbyte
On Mar 10, 2013, at 5:06 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> GLIMS is an add-on for Safari. In other words a third-party app you added to your Mac.
Yes, I know that. I purposefully installed it some time ago.
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> While Safari can be added to other OS as a standalone app, it is an integrated part of the Mac OS, so I am not surprised that you had problems removing and re-installing it. Remember, the way you set the default browser is with Safari's prefs, not a Pref pane in Sys Prefs. Especially if the download you found was a version earlier than your OS X version can use.
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GLIMS provides the option of using different search engines, not determining what browser you use. I'm perfectly aware that the browser option is set in Safari.
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> On Mar 10, 2013, at 12:47 PM, John Engberg wrote:
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> Well, folks, the problem with Safari hanging seems to have been rectified. At least at this time Safari is now quitting normally. The culprit appeared to be GLIMS, although their may have been some involvement of CGContext and Threadsafe (don't ask - I don't know what they are or do.). Upon removing GLIMS, safari started behaving normally. My thanks to John Robinson for pointing me in the right direction in Console so I could see the events as they occurred. I had to look at all messages, not just the hang messages.
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> John Engberg
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> On Mar 10, 2013, at 1:39 PM, John Engberg <mrbyte@earthlink.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:47 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Mar 9, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Dane Robison wrote:
> I wholeheartedly agree, Randy. It's hard to believe this is free, and even marginally usable on an iPhone.
CloudOn came up on another Mac discussion list and folks were kind of afraid of it because it is so good, yet it is free, and the company has no obvious way of making money. They have to be paying for an expensive license to Office. Folks were saying that it is "too good to be true" and you know the story about things that are too good to be true.
My only guess is that it won't be free for long.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tanya Metaksa" tmetaksa@att.net
have recently purchased a new 27" iMac. I am backing it up through Time Machine to a LaCie drive on thunderbolt. I have a question about the method Time Machine uses to back up. Is every backup a complete backup? If I view the LaCie drive through Finder it appears as if it is. Secondly Is it ok to delete some of the daily backups after a few days? I am concerned about storage as I want to use the LaCie to store photos as well. Many thanks for any information.
Tanya Metaksa
tmetaksa@me.com
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
On Mar 10, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Tanya Metaksa wrote:
> have recently purchased a new 27" iMac. I am backing it up through Time Machine to a LaCie drive on thunderbolt. I have a question about the method Time Machine uses to back up. Is every backup a complete backup? If I view the LaCie drive through Finder it appears as if it is. Secondly Is it ok to delete some of the daily backups after a few days? I am concerned about storage as I want to use the LaCie to store photos as well. Many thanks for any information.
The backups are incremental, backing up only files that have been changed. One corollary to that, as you might understand, is that you should exclude the virtual machines that Parallels or Fusion uses. If you have, let's say, a 20 GB virtual machine, to the MacOS this is just one large file, so if there is any change made to it you will then make a new copy of the entire file.
I don't know if you can delete some of the backups, but Time Machine does do just that. As things go further into the past some of the backups are automatically deleted. It backs up every hour. After a certain time, and I don't recall what it is, all the hourly backups other than one a day are deleted. I'm not sure, but maybe as you go even further back maybe it saves only weekly backups, deleting six of each seven.
Since it is incremental, it would be very dangerous for a mere user to delete some of the backups. Let's say you have a file that got changed 10 times. Only the changes are backed up, so if it is told to change byte 37 from 1 to 0 and it can't find byte 37? Obviously, I am being overly simplistic here, but you catch my point. Even if you could delete some of them don't. Let TM do it for you.
My disk is a 250 GB disk with 129 used. My TM volume is in use for just about a year now, looks like the earliest backup was 3/28 of last year. My 1 TB drive has used only 305 GB.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> I am backing it up through Time Machine to a LaCie drive on thunderbolt.
>
> I have a question about the method Time Machine uses to back up. Is every backup a complete backup?
No.
After the initial backup, TM only backs up files that have changed since the previous backup.
> Secondly Is it ok to delete some of the daily backups after a few days?
No.
> I am concerned about storage as I want to use the LaCie to store photos as well.
My TM drive is a 700GB partition on a 2TB external drive.
I use a separate partition entirely for the "old photos" archive.
To do its job properly, Time Machine should have dedicated drive space *at least* 2 times the amount of data being backed up, preferably more.
I have a 700GB space for my TM drive, which presently uses 562GB of that space.
It has been backing up about 200GB of data from a 512GB drive.
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> I have a question about the method Time Machine uses to back up. Is every backup a complete backup?
No.
After the initial backup, TM only backs up files that have changed since the previous backup.
> Secondly Is it ok to delete some of the daily backups after a few days?
No.
> I am concerned about storage as I want to use the LaCie to store photos as well.
My TM drive is a 700GB partition on a 2TB external drive.
I use a separate partition entirely for the "old photos" archive.
To do its job properly, Time Machine should have dedicated drive space *at least* 2 times the amount of data being backed up, preferably more.
I have a 700GB space for my TM drive, which presently uses 562GB of that space.
It has been backing up about 200GB of data from a 512GB drive.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> I don't know if you can delete some of the backups, but Time Machine does do just that. As things go further into the past some of the backups are automatically deleted. It backs up every hour. After a certain time, and I don't recall what it is, all the hourly backups other than one a day are deleted. I'm not sure, but maybe as you go even further back maybe it saves only weekly backups, deleting six of each seven.
Look at System Preferences -- Time Machine.
You should see:
> Time Machine keeps:
> • Hourly backups for the past 24 hours
> • Daily backups for the past month
> • Weekly backups for all previous months
> The oldest backups are deleted when your disk becomes full.
Also, it doesn't just *delete* the hourly or daily backups, it first merges the hourlies to make dailies and the dailies to make weeklies.
If you are curious as to what is actually getting backed up, I use an app called BackupLoupe from here:<http://www.soma-zone.com/BackupLoupe/ >.
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Look at System Preferences -- Time Machine.
You should see:
> Time Machine keeps:
> • Hourly backups for the past 24 hours
> • Daily backups for the past month
> • Weekly backups for all previous months
> The oldest backups are deleted when your disk becomes full.
Also, it doesn't just *delete* the hourly or daily backups, it first merges the hourlies to make dailies and the dailies to make weeklies.
If you are curious as to what is actually getting backed up, I use an app called BackupLoupe from here:<http://www.soma-
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Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:10 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Others have explained how TM works but I'm concerned that you say you will
store your photos on the external. Where will *they* be backed up?
Otto
On 10 March 2013 21:48, Tanya Metaksa <tanya.metaksa@gmail.com > wrote:
> have recently purchased a new 27" iMac. I am backing it up through Time
> Machine to a LaCie drive on thunderbolt. I have a question about the
> method Time Machine uses to back up. Is every backup a complete backup?
> If I view the LaCie drive through Finder it appears as if it is. Secondly
> Is it ok to delete some of the daily backups after a few days? I am
> concerned about storage as I want to use the LaCie to store photos as well.
> Many thanks for any information.
>
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store your photos on the external. Where will *they* be backed up?
Otto
On 10 March 2013 21:48, Tanya Metaksa <tanya.metaksa@
> have recently purchased a new 27" iMac. I am backing it up through Time
> Machine to a LaCie drive on thunderbolt. I have a question about the
> method Time Machine uses to back up. Is every backup a complete backup?
> If I view the LaCie drive through Finder it appears as if it is. Secondly
> Is it ok to delete some of the daily backups after a few days? I am
> concerned about storage as I want to use the LaCie to store photos as well.
> Many thanks for any information.
>
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