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| 1a Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen 1b Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen 1c Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 1d Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 1e Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Earle Jones" earlejones501 1f Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 1g Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 1h Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 2a Re: Mac.com question by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup 2b Re: Mac.com question by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen 2c Re: Mac.com question by "Jurgen Richter" epsongroups 2d Re: Mac.com question by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 2e Re: Mac.com question by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 2f Re: Mac.com question by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 2g Re: Mac.com question by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup 2h Re: Mac.com question by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 2i Re: Mac.com question by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup 2j Re: Mac.com question by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 2k Re: Mac.com question by "Terry Pogue" terrypogue_2000 2l Re: Mac.com question by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup 3a Re: Startup chime by "Jim Showalter" jshowalt94127 3b Re: Startup chime by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup 3c Re: Startup chime by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup 3d Re: Startup chime by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 3e Re: Startup chime by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup |
Wed Jul 4, 2012 1:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
like i have mentioned before, OWC installs eSATA in the smaller slot
below the CD/DVD slot for about $139. it then
would hook up to the RAID (Performance) thereby adding speed much
greater than firewire, as you mention.
i don't know now if the details of the workings of my RAID which is
quietly waiting for my iMac to get back because
OWC screwed it up. BUT, before ordering the eSATA, now i will call OWC
and ask if they are compatible. after
reading your trials and woes, i am not so sure.
thanks for the entertaining and educational read. i am saving it to re-
read, and maybe escape some of what happened
to you. perhaps i am too greedy for speed. who knows? so, thank you
for the info. much, much appreciated.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 4, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Doug, eSATA is a technology for connecting SATA type hard drives to
> your computer via an eSATA cable from an external drive box.
>
> The "e" in eSATA stands for "external."
>
> All recent Macs with a hard drive have a type of drive with SATA data
> connection socket and a smaller electric cable socket.
>
> SATA is plug n play technology.
>
> To have an eSATA port you have to add a PCIe eSATA card. An iMac is a
> consumer model and doesn't have PCIe expansion slots.
>
> eSATA data transfer speed is nicely faster than FireWire 800 but eSATA
> also has some important limits and a big "gotcha" that is often missed
> when people jump in and buy an eSATA PCIe card (like me at first!).
>
> -eSATA cables have to be short.
> -eSATA can't be daisy chained without another gadget.
> -eSATA has an optional technology called "port multiplier" that is
> important to understand BEFORE buying the equipment.
> -eSATA PCIe cards have to have a driver and the driver has to be
> updated to work with different versions of Mac OS X.
>
> Port multiplier, if the PCIe card has it, means you can connect a
> multiple drive device to one eSATA port. Without port multiplier
> present in the card it's one eSATA drive connected to one eSATA port.
>
> Driver has to be up to date. This is critical and you have to check
> with the maker before buying that the driver is compatible with your
> version of Mac OS X.
>
> I'm now on my 3rd PCIe eSATA card because of these issues I just
> listed.
>
> The first one was from SIIG and they refused to update their SIIG
> driver for Snow Leopard so the card was useless with Snow Leopard.
>
> The second card made by SeriTek is doing fine in Snow Leopard and also
> Lion but while it has two eSATA ports it doesn't have port multiplier.
>
> I just bought a 3rd PCIe eSATA card made by Sans Digital and it's a
> piece of crap and after many swaps of emails with Sans Digital tech
> support I'm sending the card back for full refund. BEFORE I bought
> the
> Sans Digital card I sent their customer tech support a message asking
> for their recommendation specifically for a card with port multiplier
> that was compatible with Lion. They said the card I later bought was
> compatible. It's not. I don't know what the issue is. Tech Support
> was confused on driver versions, confused on what and how to install
> the driver, and it turns out that the device I'm trying to connect to
> the Sans Digital card (a Sans Digital quad drive box) won't even keep
> the power on when connected to their own brand PCIe card.
>
> The Sans Digital MobileStore quad drive case has worked pretty well on
> USB but it's slow of course.
>
> A final rant is that the MobilStore device suffers from a hideously
> bad
> case of Japanese-Bad-Design-Catastrophe. The buttons on the front of
> the drive case and tiny tiny tiny. The labels for the buttons are
> tiny
> tiny tiny. The one page instructions sheet buttons label diagram is
> tiny tiny tiny. The printed instructions are so limited as to be
> nearly worthless.
>
> I have to use a magnifying glass and a strong light to read the button
> labels. The damn MobileStore case has an Interface button you have to
> push to change from USB to eSATA. Doesn't work with their own eSATA
> card.
>
> (Stick with my kiddo. I'm on a real roll here.)
>
> The Sans Digital eSATA card turned out to have an unlabeled jumper on
> it that you have to change to change the card from RAID configuration
> to JBOD configuration. This jumper is not mentioned in any piece of
> information and the first try by their tech support used the wrong
> terminology for the jumper.
>
> Rant over. Card being returned tomorrow for refund. AVOID SANS
> DIGITAL if you want products that have rational tech support and that
> don't require a magnifying glass to use.
>
> I'll look for a SeriTek 4 port eSATA card with port multiplier.
> They've done a pretty good job with the product I already have from
> them.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. Many years ago when I was VERY young I drove my MG1100 saloon
> (saloon???, swinging bar doors and all) from London to Paris on July
> 3rd. Going past Canterbury toward Dover I was listening to Radio
> Caroline from the radio pirate ship anchored in international waters
> in
> the North Sea I think. The DJ intoned in a very solemn voice, "Ladies
> and Gentlemen. Tomorrow, July 4th, is that day in history when the
> United States of America lost its dependence on England." I sat
> their
> completely shocked at the concept and then nearly wrecked the car
> laughing.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 03:29:54 -0700, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
>> since i am splurging on my 27" iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
>> striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
>> to dump my Sony
>> CRT for a LG 22" (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
>> Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
>> fantasized on getting
>> a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
>> much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
>>
>> is it worth it?
>> i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
>> really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
>> photography is a close second
>> to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
>> adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
>>
>> thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be
>> much
>> appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
>> with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
>> seems significant. of course, in the real world....
>>
>>
>> doug
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
below the CD/DVD slot for about $139. it then
would hook up to the RAID (Performance) thereby adding speed much
greater than firewire, as you mention.
i don't know now if the details of the workings of my RAID which is
quietly waiting for my iMac to get back because
OWC screwed it up. BUT, before ordering the eSATA, now i will call OWC
and ask if they are compatible. after
reading your trials and woes, i am not so sure.
thanks for the entertaining and educational read. i am saving it to re-
read, and maybe escape some of what happened
to you. perhaps i am too greedy for speed. who knows? so, thank you
for the info. much, much appreciated.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 4, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Doug, eSATA is a technology for connecting SATA type hard drives to
> your computer via an eSATA cable from an external drive box.
>
> The "e" in eSATA stands for "external."
>
> All recent Macs with a hard drive have a type of drive with SATA data
> connection socket and a smaller electric cable socket.
>
> SATA is plug n play technology.
>
> To have an eSATA port you have to add a PCIe eSATA card. An iMac is a
> consumer model and doesn't have PCIe expansion slots.
>
> eSATA data transfer speed is nicely faster than FireWire 800 but eSATA
> also has some important limits and a big "gotcha" that is often missed
> when people jump in and buy an eSATA PCIe card (like me at first!).
>
> -eSATA cables have to be short.
> -eSATA can't be daisy chained without another gadget.
> -eSATA has an optional technology called "port multiplier" that is
> important to understand BEFORE buying the equipment.
> -eSATA PCIe cards have to have a driver and the driver has to be
> updated to work with different versions of Mac OS X.
>
> Port multiplier, if the PCIe card has it, means you can connect a
> multiple drive device to one eSATA port. Without port multiplier
> present in the card it's one eSATA drive connected to one eSATA port.
>
> Driver has to be up to date. This is critical and you have to check
> with the maker before buying that the driver is compatible with your
> version of Mac OS X.
>
> I'm now on my 3rd PCIe eSATA card because of these issues I just
> listed.
>
> The first one was from SIIG and they refused to update their SIIG
> driver for Snow Leopard so the card was useless with Snow Leopard.
>
> The second card made by SeriTek is doing fine in Snow Leopard and also
> Lion but while it has two eSATA ports it doesn't have port multiplier.
>
> I just bought a 3rd PCIe eSATA card made by Sans Digital and it's a
> piece of crap and after many swaps of emails with Sans Digital tech
> support I'm sending the card back for full refund. BEFORE I bought
> the
> Sans Digital card I sent their customer tech support a message asking
> for their recommendation specifically for a card with port multiplier
> that was compatible with Lion. They said the card I later bought was
> compatible. It's not. I don't know what the issue is. Tech Support
> was confused on driver versions, confused on what and how to install
> the driver, and it turns out that the device I'm trying to connect to
> the Sans Digital card (a Sans Digital quad drive box) won't even keep
> the power on when connected to their own brand PCIe card.
>
> The Sans Digital MobileStore quad drive case has worked pretty well on
> USB but it's slow of course.
>
> A final rant is that the MobilStore device suffers from a hideously
> bad
> case of Japanese-Bad-
> the drive case and tiny tiny tiny. The labels for the buttons are
> tiny
> tiny tiny. The one page instructions sheet buttons label diagram is
> tiny tiny tiny. The printed instructions are so limited as to be
> nearly worthless.
>
> I have to use a magnifying glass and a strong light to read the button
> labels. The damn MobileStore case has an Interface button you have to
> push to change from USB to eSATA. Doesn't work with their own eSATA
> card.
>
> (Stick with my kiddo. I'm on a real roll here.)
>
> The Sans Digital eSATA card turned out to have an unlabeled jumper on
> it that you have to change to change the card from RAID configuration
> to JBOD configuration. This jumper is not mentioned in any piece of
> information and the first try by their tech support used the wrong
> terminology for the jumper.
>
> Rant over. Card being returned tomorrow for refund. AVOID SANS
> DIGITAL if you want products that have rational tech support and that
> don't require a magnifying glass to use.
>
> I'll look for a SeriTek 4 port eSATA card with port multiplier.
> They've done a pretty good job with the product I already have from
> them.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. Many years ago when I was VERY young I drove my MG1100 saloon
> (saloon???, swinging bar doors and all) from London to Paris on July
> 3rd. Going past Canterbury toward Dover I was listening to Radio
> Caroline from the radio pirate ship anchored in international waters
> in
> the North Sea I think. The DJ intoned in a very solemn voice, "Ladies
> and Gentlemen. Tomorrow, July 4th, is that day in history when the
> United States of America lost its dependence on England." I sat
> their
> completely shocked at the concept and then nearly wrecked the car
> laughing.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 03:29:54 -0700, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
>> since i am splurging on my 27" iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
>> striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
>> to dump my Sony
>> CRT for a LG 22" (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
>> Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
>> fantasized on getting
>> a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
>> much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
>>
>> is it worth it?
>> i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
>> really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
>> photography is a close second
>> to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
>> adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
>>
>> thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be
>> much
>> appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
>> with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
>> seems significant. of course, in the real world....
>>
>>
>> doug
>
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Wed Jul 4, 2012 2:33 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
i merely said i would not respond to his way of talking to me.
i am also a monitor.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Gentlemen. Jim and Doug.
>
> Please terminate this thread now.
>
> Denver Dan
> A group moderator
>
>
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 13:12:48 -0700, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
>> i refuse to respond to anything you write me Jim.
>> it is usually inflammatory and makes me want to respond in kind.
>> doug
>> Douglas Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>>
>> "Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
>> suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is
>> by
>> letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
>>
>> so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
>> (not really).
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>>
>>>> in what way did what i wrote lead you to suspect i had asked what
>>>> you implied?
>>>>
>>>> in what world would anyone try to hook up an eSATA to a monitor
>>>> port? you must think i am even more stupid than i am.
>>>
>>> Do you READ what you WRITE?
>>> You wrote:
>>>>> since OWC messed up my mini display port ... and now i cannot nor
>>>>> can Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
>>>>> fantasized on getting a eSATA that i have heard so much about.
>>>
>>>
>>> How ELSE could that statement be interpreted than that you wanted to
>>> use the eSATA port to replace the functionality of the mini
>>> DisplayPort?
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~
>>> ~
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Group FAQ:
>>> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Group FAQ:
>> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
i am also a monitor.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Gentlemen. Jim and Doug.
>
> Please terminate this thread now.
>
> Denver Dan
> A group moderator
>
>
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 13:12:48 -0700, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
>> i refuse to respond to anything you write me Jim.
>> it is usually inflammatory and makes me want to respond in kind.
>> doug
>> Douglas Yelmen
>> dougyelmen@earthlin
>>
>> "Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
>> suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is
>> by
>> letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
>>
>> so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
>> (not really).
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>>
>>>> in what way did what i wrote lead you to suspect i had asked what
>>>> you implied?
>>>>
>>>> in what world would anyone try to hook up an eSATA to a monitor
>>>> port? you must think i am even more stupid than i am.
>>>
>>> Do you READ what you WRITE?
>>> You wrote:
>>>>> since OWC messed up my mini display port ... and now i cannot nor
>>>>> can Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
>>>>> fantasized on getting a eSATA that i have heard so much about.
>>>
>>>
>>> How ELSE could that statement be interpreted than that you wanted to
>>> use the eSATA port to replace the functionality of the mini
>>> DisplayPort?
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~
>>> ~
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------
>>>
>>> Group FAQ:
>>> <http://www.macsuppo
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------
>>
>> Group FAQ:
>> <http://www.macsuppo
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:19 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> i refuse to respond to anything you write me Jim.
> it is usually inflammatory and makes me want to respond in kind.
> doug
Well that's a step.
You could respond to Otto's message that referenced mine.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> it is usually inflammatory and makes me want to respond in kind.
> doug
Well that's a step.
You could respond to Otto's message that referenced mine.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:22 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> we are not talking about others. just you and dan (who is ever more
> graceful than you or me) and brigand whose name i won't mention.
> doug
Hi, dougie
Jim Saklad
> graceful than you or me) and brigand whose name i won't mention.
> doug
Hi, dougie
Jim Saklad
Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Earle Jones" earlejones501
On Jul 4, 12, at 8:59 AM, Jim Saklad wrote:
> > in what way did what i wrote lead you to suspect i had asked what you implied?
*
I thought I gave you what I thought you said you thought you wanted.
earle
*
Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> On Jul 4, Jim Saklad wrote:
>>> in what way did what i wrote lead you to suspect i had asked what you implied?
>
> I thought I gave you what I thought you said you thought you wanted.
> earle
Incorrect attribution (I didn't write that, someone else did).
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>> in what way did what i wrote lead you to suspect i had asked what you implied?
>
> I thought I gave you what I thought you said you thought you wanted.
> earle
Incorrect attribution (I didn't write that, someone else did).
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:19 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 5 July 2012 00:06, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought I gave you what I thought you said you thought you wanted.
> > earle
>
> Incorrect attribution (I didn't write that, someone else did).
>
I thought *he* ... ?
Otto
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > I thought I gave you what I thought you said you thought you wanted.
> > earle
>
> Incorrect attribution (I didn't write that, someone else did).
>
I thought *he* ... ?
Otto
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Doug,
I'm sorry that we seem to misunderstand one another from time to time.
Sometimes a question or response isn't as clear as it might be. The thing
is to realise that and move on. I apologise for not reading your OP as it
was intended.
But you do know that ThunderBolt, which uses an MDP port, really does
confuse the whole high-speed connection question? Maybe that's why the June
2012 Macs at last include USB 3?
Otto
Who's just 4 years behind you.
:0 :0 :0
On 4 July 2012 21:28, Douglas Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net > wrote:
> last first, i gave you the speeds of the place that will install the
> eSATA.
> i mentioned the MDP and change of monitors because that's what i want,
> as part of an upgrade plan.
> YOU wrote: "I'm not sure what you want. If you want to connect a new
> display to your
> iMac, then eSATA won't do it"
> like i didn't know that? but, it is possible by installing in at OWC
> (who ruined my MDP port, did you catch that?)
> and which is now being repaired by Apple. a iMac can have a eSATA, and
> connect to a RAID performance.
> i MENTIONED that, and you and others missed, didn't read it, or just
> dismissed me.
>
> we are not talking about others. just you and dan (who is ever more
> graceful than you or me) and brigand
> whose name i won't mention.
>
> so,
> a big grin across the pond to you, Big O.
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I'm sorry that we seem to misunderstand one another from time to time.
Sometimes a question or response isn't as clear as it might be. The thing
is to realise that and move on. I apologise for not reading your OP as it
was intended.
But you do know that ThunderBolt, which uses an MDP port, really does
confuse the whole high-speed connection question? Maybe that's why the June
2012 Macs at last include USB 3?
Otto
Who's just 4 years behind you.
:0 :0 :0
On 4 July 2012 21:28, Douglas Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
> last first, i gave you the speeds of the place that will install the
> eSATA.
> i mentioned the MDP and change of monitors because that's what i want,
> as part of an upgrade plan.
> YOU wrote: "I'm not sure what you want. If you want to connect a new
> display to your
> iMac, then eSATA won't do it"
> like i didn't know that? but, it is possible by installing in at OWC
> (who ruined my MDP port, did you catch that?)
> and which is now being repaired by Apple. a iMac can have a eSATA, and
> connect to a RAID performance.
> i MENTIONED that, and you and others missed, didn't read it, or just
> dismissed me.
>
> we are not talking about others. just you and dan (who is ever more
> graceful than you or me) and brigand
> whose name i won't mention.
>
> so,
> a big grin across the pond to you, Big O.
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Jul 4, 2012 1:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Denver dan wrote:
> I understand that while MobileMe is closed and gone that Apple has kept open the ability to transfer data from it to free iCloud.
>
> I don't know how long this transfer extension will be available.
Thanks. I found it at: <http://www.apple.
When I go there, it is not open to me, I assume because I already moved to iCloud. But I have sent the link to this person suggesting that they see if they can link to their iDisk and move the data from it.
Daly
Wed Jul 4, 2012 2:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
that is pretty polite of Apple, given the advanced warnings.
for some, change is hard. i always think i am a fast changer, but i
fear not,
as i waited almost until the last moment to move to iCloud.
i got to say, some people are more patient than others.
i am told i can be abrasive. hope never here.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Denver dan wrote:
> I understand that while MobileMe is closed and gone that Apple has
> kept open the ability to transfer data from it to free iCloud.
>
> I don't know how long this transfer extension will be available.
>
>
>
>
> !i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
> iSent from iDan's iPhone
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>>> I have a question about iCloud. I didn't set it up because I have
>>> a huge amount of data and keep it on my own raid drives here.
>>
>> I don't see what that has to do with iCloud.
>>
>>> I also get a lot of email, but now my me.com mail account is not
>>> working.
>>
>> Your me.com mail isn't working because you haven't set up iCloud
>> and MobileMe no longer exists.
>>
>>> If I set that up on the cloud will it also keep all my mail and
>>> charge me storage for that?
>>
>> It will keep all you mail exactly as MobileMe kept all your mail.
>>
>>> I believe I still have months to go on my MobileMe subscription.
>>
>>
>> No, MobileMe no longer exists.
>> After all of the sequential periodic warnings over the last 18
>> months that it was going away, I hope that you can still transfer
>> the mail account directly to iCloud....
>>
>> --
>> ~
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Jim Saklad
>> mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Group FAQ:
>> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>
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>
>
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>
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for some, change is hard. i always think i am a fast changer, but i
fear not,
as i waited almost until the last moment to move to iCloud.
i got to say, some people are more patient than others.
i am told i can be abrasive. hope never here.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Denver dan wrote:
> I understand that while MobileMe is closed and gone that Apple has
> kept open the ability to transfer data from it to free iCloud.
>
> I don't know how long this transfer extension will be available.
>
>
>
>
> !i!i!i!i!i!i!
> iSent from iDan's iPhone
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>>> I have a question about iCloud. I didn't set it up because I have
>>> a huge amount of data and keep it on my own raid drives here.
>>
>> I don't see what that has to do with iCloud.
>>
>>> I also get a lot of email, but now my me.com mail account is not
>>> working.
>>
>> Your me.com mail isn't working because you haven't set up iCloud
>> and MobileMe no longer exists.
>>
>>> If I set that up on the cloud will it also keep all my mail and
>>> charge me storage for that?
>>
>> It will keep all you mail exactly as MobileMe kept all your mail.
>>
>>> I believe I still have months to go on my MobileMe subscription.
>>
>>
>> No, MobileMe no longer exists.
>> After all of the sequential periodic warnings over the last 18
>> months that it was going away, I hope that you can still transfer
>> the mail account directly to iCloud....
>>
>> --
>> ~
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Jim Saklad
>> mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------
>>
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>> <http://www.macsuppo
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jurgen Richter" epsongroups
A few months ago and then some, Apple emailed me with a link to have my
mobile me, mac.com email continue to work with iCloud, regardless if I
have Lion or not. I clicked on the link, and then logged in with my
Apple id. Later I received a confirmation email that stated that my mail
will continue to work under iCloud once mobile.me is terminated at end
of June. Yes, it still works. I also managed to get my calendars to work
under SnowLeopard using BusyCal and syncing with my iphone and 2 macs
that are both on SnowLeopard. That is all I really wanted from iCloud.
The original question probably implied the storage space we used to get
online through mac.com. In an email this week, Apple confirmed that
previous mac.com members get continued storage space and a temporary
bonus, as follows:
Dear X
Your *adress@me.com* mail has now been moved to iCloud and will keep
working on all your devices.
Because your account is now in iCloud, any devices running iOS 5 or OS X
Lion 10.7.2 or later will be able to take advantage of the rest of the
features of iCloud. Just tap OK on any “Complete Your Move to iCloudâ€
alerts that appear. This will automatically update your iCloud settings
on each device. On devices not compatible with iCloud, you̢۪ll only be
able to use Mail.
....snip...
iCloud comes with 5GB of free storage for Mail, Documents, and
Backup. As a former MobileMe member, we have provided you with a free
20GB storage upgrade that is good through September 30, 2012. After this
date, you can continue with the upgrade at the regular price, or let it
expire and use the free 5GB plan.
For calendars, you just have to redirect mobile.me calendars to the ical
calendar servers.
hth
mobile me, mac.com email continue to work with iCloud, regardless if I
have Lion or not. I clicked on the link, and then logged in with my
Apple id. Later I received a confirmation email that stated that my mail
will continue to work under iCloud once mobile.me is terminated at end
of June. Yes, it still works. I also managed to get my calendars to work
under SnowLeopard using BusyCal and syncing with my iphone and 2 macs
that are both on SnowLeopard. That is all I really wanted from iCloud.
The original question probably implied the storage space we used to get
online through mac.com. In an email this week, Apple confirmed that
previous mac.com members get continued storage space and a temporary
bonus, as follows:
Dear X
Your *adress@me.com* mail has now been moved to iCloud and will keep
working on all your devices.
Because your account is now in iCloud, any devices running iOS 5 or OS X
Lion 10.7.2 or later will be able to take advantage of the rest of the
features of iCloud. Just tap OK on any “Complete Your Move to iCloudâ€
alerts that appear. This will automatically update your iCloud settings
on each device. On devices not compatible with iCloud, you̢۪ll only be
able to use Mail.
....snip...
iCloud comes with 5GB of free storage for Mail, Documents, and
Backup. As a former MobileMe member, we have provided you with a free
20GB storage upgrade that is good through September 30, 2012. After this
date, you can continue with the upgrade at the regular price, or let it
expire and use the free 5GB plan.
For calendars, you just have to redirect mobile.me calendars to the ical
calendar servers.
hth
Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:11 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> I don't care about transferring mail messages to the cloud I just want me.com to get mail fir me. I never used mobile me on the web. Oh I checked it once in awhile but never looked at mail or anything on that site.
The fact that you didn't *look* at it in the cloud does not mean that your mail was not in the cloud.
Mail using MobileMe is a cloud-based service, and is nearly indistinguishable from mail using iCloud, also a cloud-based service.
For that matter, having your mail based on a local, or a national, ISP, with the ability to read it on your iPhone, iPad, Mac mail program, and web browser -- this is STILL a cloud-based service, the location of this particular cloud being your ISP's servers.
> I will probably have to set up a mail account again. I misunderstood and thought the addy would work as long as you had time left on the annual subscription to MobileMe.
Most likely, if you go to activate iCloud it will probably lead you through the mail account set-up. It is possible it may still ask if you want to transfer your MobileMe to iCloud, but I wouldn't count on that method lasting very long.
I see now that, as of today, Apple states:
<http://www.apple.com/mobileme/transition.html >
> MobileMe service ended on June 30, 2012. For a limited time, you can still move your MobileMe account to iCloud and download your Gallery photos and iDisk files at me.com
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
The fact that you didn't *look* at it in the cloud does not mean that your mail was not in the cloud.
Mail using MobileMe is a cloud-based service, and is nearly indistinguishable from mail using iCloud, also a cloud-based service.
For that matter, having your mail based on a local, or a national, ISP, with the ability to read it on your iPhone, iPad, Mac mail program, and web browser -- this is STILL a cloud-based service, the location of this particular cloud being your ISP's servers.
> I will probably have to set up a mail account again. I misunderstood and thought the addy would work as long as you had time left on the annual subscription to MobileMe.
Most likely, if you go to activate iCloud it will probably lead you through the mail account set-up. It is possible it may still ask if you want to transfer your MobileMe to iCloud, but I wouldn't count on that method lasting very long.
I see now that, as of today, Apple states:
<http://www.apple.
> MobileMe service ended on June 30, 2012. For a limited time, you can still move your MobileMe account to iCloud and download your Gallery photos and iDisk files at me.com
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> Just a random comment, but my mind is blown. This morning I got an email from a peripheral member of a little Mac support group I run. She said that her husband had a beautiful web site on MobileMe and now, suddenly, it's GONE!! SHOCK!!
>
> She wants me to fix it.
>
> I really could not believe that, after all this warning. I barely could think of a polite way to answer.
>
> Daly
Of course, the creatively paranoid person who builds a web site -- even a terminal procrastinator -- **NEVER** puts all their eggs in one basket. They should have a complete copy of the website structure and files on their home computer.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> She wants me to fix it.
>
> I really could not believe that, after all this warning. I barely could think of a polite way to answer.
>
> Daly
Of course, the creatively paranoid person who builds a web site -- even a terminal procrastinator -- **NEVER** puts all their eggs in one basket. They should have a complete copy of the website structure and files on their home computer.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> This morning I got an email from a peripheral member of a little Mac support group I run. She said that her husband had a beautiful web site on MobileMe and now, suddenly, it's GONE!! SHOCK!!
>>
>> She wants me to fix it.
>>
>> I really could not believe that, after all this warning. I barely could think of a polite way to answer.
>
> Some people just cannot "connect the dots." You have to sit them down and carefully explain that this change will eliminate their specific website.
> Of course, in your situation, such an approach was impossible. Kudos for remaining polite -- I would have been sorely tempted to use sarcasm, if not obscenity.
"Oh, that will be easy. You just pick a new web-server site, sign up, then upload the backup from your hard drive to the server."
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>> She wants me to fix it.
>>
>> I really could not believe that, after all this warning. I barely could think of a polite way to answer.
>
> Some people just cannot "connect the dots." You have to sit them down and carefully explain that this change will eliminate their specific website.
> Of course, in your situation, such an approach was impossible. Kudos for remaining polite -- I would have been sorely tempted to use sarcasm, if not obscenity.
"Oh, that will be easy. You just pick a new web-server site, sign up, then upload the backup from your hard drive to the server."
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:20 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Jurgen Richter wrote:
> The original question probably implied the storage space we used to get
> online through mac.com. In an email this week, Apple confirmed that
> previous mac.com members get continued storage space and a temporary
> bonus, as follows:
>
> iCloud comes with 5GB of free storage for Mail, Documents, and
> Backup. As a former MobileMe member, we have provided you with a free
> 20GB storage upgrade that is good through September 30, 2012. After this
> date, you can continue with the upgrade at the regular price, or let it
> expire and use the free 5GB plan.
Notice that the free storage space is for Mail, Documents (which right now is basically just iWork documents) and backups of devices.
Do not confuse it with iDisk, which was just a virtual disk where you could store anything you liked, including files on their included web server.
Daly
Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> iCloud comes with 5GB of free storage for Mail, Documents, and Backup. As a former MobileMe member, we have provided you with a free 20GB storage upgrade that is good through September 30, 2012. After this date, you can continue with the upgrade at the regular price, or let it expire and use the free 5GB plan.
>
> Notice that the free storage space is for Mail, Documents (which right now is basically just iWork documents) and backups of devices.
Apple's statement:
> Free gets you a lot.
> When you sign up for iCloud, you automatically get 5GB of free storage. And that's plenty of room, because of the way iCloud stores your content. Your purchased music, movies, apps, books, and TV shows — as well as your Photo Stream — don't count against your free storage. That 5GB goes a long way for your mail, documents, account information, settings, and other app data. And if you need more storage, you can easily purchase an upgrade right from your device.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>
> Notice that the free storage space is for Mail, Documents (which right now is basically just iWork documents) and backups of devices.
Apple's statement:
> Free gets you a lot.
> When you sign up for iCloud, you automatically get 5GB of free storage. And that's plenty of room, because of the way iCloud stores your content. Your purchased music, movies, apps, books, and TV shows — as well as your Photo Stream — don't count against your free storage. That 5GB goes a long way for your mail, documents, account information, settings, and other app data. And if you need more storage, you can easily purchase an upgrade right from your device.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:14 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:
>
>
> Of course, the creatively paranoid person who builds a web site -- even a terminal procrastinator -- **NEVER** puts all their eggs in one basket. They should have a complete copy of the website structure and files on their home computer.
Sure, and that's what I wrote to her - to find out from her husband where he kept the local files for the site. In fact, I also asked if he made it in iWeb - given that she sounds so clueless, I suspect that's what he did do, and if so, the entire site may still be in iWeb, ready to be published to a folder on the hard drive and then moved to another server.
However, she has not answered me.
Daly
Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 4 July 2012 23:14, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
> Of course, the creatively paranoid person who builds a web site -- even a
> terminal procrastinator -- **NEVER** puts all their eggs in one basket.
> They should have a complete copy of the website structure and files on
> their home computer.
>
This might be OT, but I wonder: just what proportion of (non-professional)
web designers take regular backups?
Otto
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Of course, the creatively paranoid person who builds a web site -- even a
> terminal procrastinator -- **NEVER** puts all their eggs in one basket.
> They should have a complete copy of the website structure and files on
> their home computer.
>
This might be OT, but I wonder: just what proportion of (non-professional)
web designers take regular backups?
Otto
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:22 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Terry Pogue" terrypogue_2000
I said it would transfer my mobile me. It said it would activate my mail account and my calendar. I was pleased and shut down the browser but I'm still not getting my me.com mail. I figured it was because of the holiday so I didn't say anything.
Terry
Sent from my iPadHD
On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>> I don't care about transferring mail messages to the cloud I just want me.com to get mail fir me. I never used mobile me on the web. Oh I checked it once in awhile but never looked at mail or anything on that site.
>
> The fact that you didn't *look* at it in the cloud does not mean that your mail was not in the cloud.
>
> Mail using MobileMe is a cloud-based service, and is nearly indistinguishable from mail using iCloud, also a cloud-based service.
>
> For that matter, having your mail based on a local, or a national, ISP, with the ability to read it on your iPhone, iPad, Mac mail program, and web browser -- this is STILL a cloud-based service, the location of this particular cloud being your ISP's servers.
>
>> I will probably have to set up a mail account again. I misunderstood and thought the addy would work as long as you had time left on the annual subscription to MobileMe.
>
> Most likely, if you go to activate iCloud it will probably lead you through the mail account set-up. It is possible it may still ask if you want to transfer your MobileMe to iCloud, but I wouldn't count on that method lasting very long.
>
> I see now that, as of today, Apple states:
> <http://www.apple.com/mobileme/transition.html >
>> MobileMe service ended on June 30, 2012. For a limited time, you can still move your MobileMe account to iCloud and download your Gallery photos and iDisk files at me.com
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>
>
>
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> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
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Terry
Sent from my iPadHD
On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>> I don't care about transferring mail messages to the cloud I just want me.com to get mail fir me. I never used mobile me on the web. Oh I checked it once in awhile but never looked at mail or anything on that site.
>
> The fact that you didn't *look* at it in the cloud does not mean that your mail was not in the cloud.
>
> Mail using MobileMe is a cloud-based service, and is nearly indistinguishable from mail using iCloud, also a cloud-based service.
>
> For that matter, having your mail based on a local, or a national, ISP, with the ability to read it on your iPhone, iPad, Mac mail program, and web browser -- this is STILL a cloud-based service, the location of this particular cloud being your ISP's servers.
>
>> I will probably have to set up a mail account again. I misunderstood and thought the addy would work as long as you had time left on the annual subscription to MobileMe.
>
> Most likely, if you go to activate iCloud it will probably lead you through the mail account set-up. It is possible it may still ask if you want to transfer your MobileMe to iCloud, but I wouldn't count on that method lasting very long.
>
> I see now that, as of today, Apple states:
> <http://www.apple.
>> MobileMe service ended on June 30, 2012. For a limited time, you can still move your MobileMe account to iCloud and download your Gallery photos and iDisk files at me.com
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>
>
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
Try sending your iCloud account a message from a different account and see if it arrives.
Daly
On Jul 4, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Terry Pogue wrote:
> I said it would transfer my mobile me. It said it would activate my mail account and my calendar. I was pleased and shut down the browser but I'm still not getting my me.com mail. I figured it was because of the holiday so I didn't say anything.
> Terry
>
> Sent from my iPadHD
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>>> I don't care about transferring mail messages to the cloud I just want me.com to get mail fir me. I never used mobile me on the web. Oh I checked it once in awhile but never looked at mail or anything on that site.
>>
>> The fact that you didn't *look* at it in the cloud does not mean that your mail was not in the cloud.
>>
>> Mail using MobileMe is a cloud-based service, and is nearly indistinguishable from mail using iCloud, also a cloud-based service.
>>
>> For that matter, having your mail based on a local, or a national, ISP, with the ability to read it on your iPhone, iPad, Mac mail program, and web browser -- this is STILL a cloud-based service, the location of this particular cloud being your ISP's servers.
>>
>>> I will probably have to set up a mail account again. I misunderstood and thought the addy would work as long as you had time left on the annual subscription to MobileMe.
>>
>> Most likely, if you go to activate iCloud it will probably lead you through the mail account set-up. It is possible it may still ask if you want to transfer your MobileMe to iCloud, but I wouldn't count on that method lasting very long.
>>
>> I see now that, as of today, Apple states:
>> <http://www.apple.com/mobileme/transition.html >
>>> MobileMe service ended on June 30, 2012. For a limited time, you can still move your MobileMe account to iCloud and download your Gallery photos and iDisk files at me.com
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Group FAQ:
>> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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>
>
Daly
On Jul 4, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Terry Pogue wrote:
> I said it would transfer my mobile me. It said it would activate my mail account and my calendar. I was pleased and shut down the browser but I'm still not getting my me.com mail. I figured it was because of the holiday so I didn't say anything.
> Terry
>
> Sent from my iPadHD
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>>> I don't care about transferring mail messages to the cloud I just want me.com to get mail fir me. I never used mobile me on the web. Oh I checked it once in awhile but never looked at mail or anything on that site.
>>
>> The fact that you didn't *look* at it in the cloud does not mean that your mail was not in the cloud.
>>
>> Mail using MobileMe is a cloud-based service, and is nearly indistinguishable from mail using iCloud, also a cloud-based service.
>>
>> For that matter, having your mail based on a local, or a national, ISP, with the ability to read it on your iPhone, iPad, Mac mail program, and web browser -- this is STILL a cloud-based service, the location of this particular cloud being your ISP's servers.
>>
>>> I will probably have to set up a mail account again. I misunderstood and thought the addy would work as long as you had time left on the annual subscription to MobileMe.
>>
>> Most likely, if you go to activate iCloud it will probably lead you through the mail account set-up. It is possible it may still ask if you want to transfer your MobileMe to iCloud, but I wouldn't count on that method lasting very long.
>>
>> I see now that, as of today, Apple states:
>> <http://www.apple.
>>> MobileMe service ended on June 30, 2012. For a limited time, you can still move your MobileMe account to iCloud and download your Gallery photos and iDisk files at me.com
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------
>>
>> Group FAQ:
>> <http://www.macsuppo
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Wed Jul 4, 2012 1:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Showalter" jshowalt94127
One temporary fix until a better one comes up is to plug in a headphone.
On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 4:56 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>
> > On my PowerBook I have been in the habit of always having the volume at
> > minimum unless I actually needed to hear something. This meant that the
> > startup chime was always inaudible unless I'd needed the audio and
> > forgotten to reset the volume afterwards. Does this not apply to all Macs?
> >
> > Otto
> > PowerBook G4
> > OS X 10.5.8
>
> Otto, no, at least in Lion that does not work. Something was changed, because the various startup sound dimmers I have tried all say either that they don't work in Lion (or, in one case, that it doesn't work on iMacs). I just tried your method just in case, but with Sound set to nothing, and mute checked, I still got the full startup chime.
>
> Very frustrating.
>
> Daly
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 4:56 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>
> > On my PowerBook I have been in the habit of always having the volume at
> > minimum unless I actually needed to hear something. This meant that the
> > startup chime was always inaudible unless I'd needed the audio and
> > forgotten to reset the volume afterwards. Does this not apply to all Macs?
> >
> > Otto
> > PowerBook G4
> > OS X 10.5.8
>
> Otto, no, at least in Lion that does not work. Something was changed, because the various startup sound dimmers I have tried all say either that they don't work in Lion (or, in one case, that it doesn't work on iMacs). I just tried your method just in case, but with Sound set to nothing, and mute checked, I still got the full startup chime.
>
> Very frustrating.
>
> Daly
>
>
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:07 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
(I had said)
>> Otto, no, at least in Lion that does not work. Something was changed,
>> because the various startup sound dimmers I have tried all say either that
>> they don't work in Lion (or, in one case, that it doesn't work on iMacs). I
>> just tried your method just in case, but with Sound set to nothing, and
>> mute checked, I still got the full startup chime.
>
> I don't know if someone posted this link earlier, but see
> <http://www.cultofma
Otto, that was a terrific link, and I tried it, full of hope. But it simply did not work for me. The commands were just as he said, but it did not do the job. I still have the startup chime. I'm starting to think there is something a little "off" about my system. I also haven't been able to set up my computer as an FTP server, something that should be relatively easy.
Anyway, thank you for the link. I have saved that article as a PDF because I suspect it WOULD work for many others.
Daly
Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:40 PM, Jim Showalter wrote:
> One temporary fix until a better one comes up is to plug in a headphone.
Not even that. I DO have headphones plugged in all the time. The startup chime comes through the computer's speakers. It is not like other sounds on the system.
Daly
Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 4 July 2012 23:07, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com > wrote:
> Otto, that was a terrific link, and I tried it, full of hope. But it
> simply did not work for me. The commands were just as he said, but it did
> not do the job. I still have the startup chime. I'm starting to think there
> is something a little "off" about my system. I also haven't been able to
> set up my computer as an FTP server, something that should be relatively
> easy.
>
> Anyway, thank you for the link. I have saved that article as a PDF because
> I suspect it WOULD work for many others.
>
I can't test that as I'm not on Lion, but are you sure? Syntax is *all* in
Terminal/Unix CLI. Are you typing spaces, and only spaces, as required, or
copy/pasting the commands from the article?
I'll have to see how Lion's Sharing > File Sharing > FTP might differ from
earlier versions. This should be really easy. You *do* use AFP (Apple File
Protocol Sharing) routinely? FTP setup is just the same.
Otto
PS I'm getting p***ed off with the pointless changes Apple keeps making to
Sys Prefs, so we always have to qualify any suggestions with our OS
version.
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> Otto, that was a terrific link, and I tried it, full of hope. But it
> simply did not work for me. The commands were just as he said, but it did
> not do the job. I still have the startup chime. I'm starting to think there
> is something a little "off" about my system. I also haven't been able to
> set up my computer as an FTP server, something that should be relatively
> easy.
>
> Anyway, thank you for the link. I have saved that article as a PDF because
> I suspect it WOULD work for many others.
>
I can't test that as I'm not on Lion, but are you sure? Syntax is *all* in
Terminal/Unix CLI. Are you typing spaces, and only spaces, as required, or
copy/pasting the commands from the article?
I'll have to see how Lion's Sharing > File Sharing > FTP might differ from
earlier versions. This should be really easy. You *do* use AFP (Apple File
Protocol Sharing) routinely? FTP setup is just the same.
Otto
PS I'm getting p***ed off with the pointless changes Apple keeps making to
Sys Prefs, so we always have to qualify any suggestions with our OS
version.
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Jul 4, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> I can't test that as I'm not on Lion, but are you sure? Syntax is *all* in
> Terminal/Unix CLI. Are you typing spaces, and only spaces, as required, or
> copy/pasting the commands from the article?
Well, I've been studying CSS a lot lately, which makes me only too well aware of the difference that a missing or added character can make. No, I know my limitations, and copied and pasted the commands.
> I'll have to see how Lion's Sharing > File Sharing > FTP
Well, I have File Sharing on, if that's what you mean. I believe my issue has been in trying to set up Port Forwarding in Airport Utility. I think I have it right, but it keeps Not Working when I use an FTP client on my Windows computer at work. And I do have the Firewall set to accept the traffic.
> might differ from
> earlier versions. This should be really easy. You *do* use AFP (Apple File
> Protocol Sharing) routinely? FTP setup is just the same.
Except for Port forwarding. Yes, I do regular file sharing all the time.
Daly
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