2/20/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9388

Mac Support Central

15 New Messages

Digest #9388
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Spam question by "Carol" floridabouvs
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Re: Spam question by "Bob Cook" cookrd1
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Word Processing App for iPad? by "Joan B. Sax, Ph.D." joan05061
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Old ibook G3 by "whisperingwindsacademy" whisperingwindsacademy
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Re: Old ibook G3 by "Barry Austern" barryaus
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Re: Old ibook G3 by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
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Re: Old ibook G3 by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
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what is archived? by "HAL9000" jrswebhome
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finding network by "us2forever" rksangelkayann

Messages

Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:29 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Norman" nrowe46

The manual for the Mac Pro shows a bay for 3 hard drives which are empty and so I filled them with my hard drives (3) from my G4 Mac which bend the pins on my hard drives and possibly on the may have bent the pins in the Mac Pro. I did buy the Apple Care so they did replace the mac and after testing found the problem was operator error. Anyway, they said to put the hard drive back into my G4 which does have a fire wire 800 pci board and use a fire wire cable between the 2 macs and start up in with the T key held down. I did this but all I seem to get is a screen full of a large T moving around. Am I holding down on the the right key, the one on the Mac Pro or should I hold the one on the G4 or maybe both? Thanks for any help as all my files and info are on those 3 hard drives.
Norm

Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:09 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> The manual for the Mac Pro shows a bay for 3 hard drives which are empty and so I filled them with my hard drives (3) from my G4 Mac which bend the pins on my hard drives and possibly on the may have bent the pins in the Mac Pro.
>
> I did buy the Apple Care so they did replace the mac and after testing found the problem was operator error.
>
> Anyway, they said to put the hard drive back into my G4 which does have a fire wire 800 pci board and use a fire wire cable between the 2 macs and start up in with the T key held down. I did this but all I seem to get is a screen full of a large T moving around. Am I holding down on the the right key, the one on the Mac Pro or should I hold the one on the G4 or maybe both? Thanks for any help as all my files and info are on those 3 hard drives.
> Norm

Here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1661?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US>
is Apple's explanation of Target Disk Mode.

> How to use and troubleshoot FireWire target disk mode
>
> FireWire target disk mode allows a Macintosh computer with a FireWire port (the target computer) to be used as an external hard disk connected to another computer (the host). Once a target computer is started up as a FireWire hard disk and is available to the host computer, you can copy files to or from that volume.
>
> Host computer requirements
>
> Host computers must meet these requirements:
>
> • Built-in FireWire port or a FireWire port on a PC card
> • FireWire 2.3.3 or later
> • Mac OS 8.6 or later
> Target computers
>
> These models can be used as target computers:
>
> • iMac (Slot Loading) with Firmware version 2.4 or later
> • iMac (Summer 2000) and all models introduced after July 2000
> • eMac (all models)
> • Mac mini (all models)
> • Power Mac G4 (AGP Graphics) with ATA drive
> • Power Mac G4 Cube
> • Power Mac G4 (Gigabit Ethernet) and all models introduced after July 2000
> • Power Mac G5 (all models)
> • Mac Pro (all models)
> • iBook (FireWire) and all models introduced after September 2000
> • PowerBook G3 (FireWire)
> • PowerBook G4 (all models)
> • MacBook Pro (all models)
> • MacBook models introduced before October 2008
> Read more about FireWire Ports and Specifications.
>
> Note: FireWire Target Disk Mode works on internal PATA or SATA drives only. Target Disk Mode only connects to the master PATA drive on the Ultra ATA bus. It will not connect to Slave ATA, ATAPI, or SCSI drives.
>
> Before attempting FireWire target disk mode, check these items:
>
> • Make sure your software and firmware are up to date.
> • Disconnect all other FireWire devices from both computers before you use FireWire target disk mode. Do not connect any FireWire devices until after you have disconnected the two computers from each other or have stopped using target disk mode.
> • If "Open Firmware Password" has been enabled the computer will not go into Target Disk mode. More information on Open Firmware Password is available in the "What to do if your Mac doesn't enter FireWire Target Disk Mode" section of this article.
> • If you will be transferring FileVault-protected home directories (Mac OS X v10.3 or later only), log in as the FileVault-protected user and temporarily turn off FileVault. After transferring home directory contents to the target computer, enable FileVault protection again if you like.
> To use FireWire target disk mode
>
> • Make sure that the target computer is turned off.
> • If you are using an Apple portable computer such as a PowerBook or MacBook as the target computer, plug in its AC power adapter.
> • Use a FireWire cable to connect the target computer to a host computer. The host computer can be powered on.
> • Start up the target computer and immediately press and hold down the T key until the FireWire icon appears. The hard disk of the target computer should become available to the host computer and will likely appear on desktop. (If the target computer is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, you can also open System Preferences, choose Startup Disk, and click Target Disk Mode. Restart the computer and it will start up in Target Disk Mode.)
> • When you are finished copying files, locate the target computer's hard disk icon on the desktop of the host computer and drag it to the Trash or choose Eject (or Put Away) from the File menu.
> • Press the target computer's power button to turn it off.
> • Unplug the FireWire cable.
> Tips for using target disk mode with Intel-based Mac computers
>
> If you attempt to mount an Intel-based Mac in target disk mode on a Macintosh running Mac OS X v10.3.9 or earlier, you'll see an alert message. For more information, see Intel-based Macs: "You have inserted a disk containing no volumes that Mac OS X can read" alert message.
>
> If your Intel-based Mac is becoming unresponsive while in Target Disk Mode, refer to Intel-based Mac may become unresponsive in target disk mode.
>
> What to do if your Mac doesn't enter FireWire target disk mode
>
> If your computer does not enter FireWire target disk mode when you hold down the T key at startup and instead starts up into Mac OS, try these steps:
>
> • Make sure the FireWire cable is good, and check the connection.
> • Make sure no other FireWire devices are connected.
> • Make sure you are starting up the computer while pressing and holding down the T key.
> • Check the keyboard connection. Make sure the keyboard is connected directly to the computer and not through a display or hub. Whenever possible use an Apple wired or wireless keyboard.
> • Make sure that Open Firmware Password has not been enabled on this computer. Depending your OS version you may need to download the Open Firmware Password software. For more information on Open Firmware passwords, review Setting up firmware password protection in Mac OS X.

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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.com

Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:42 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"V. Meyer" vemeyermn

Just to close the loop on thisŠI connected a keyboard to the G4 and started
it in TD mode. I inserted the OS install disk into the MacBook, and the
screen froze. I shut down using the power button and restarted, and decided
to try one more time. I inserted the install disk again, and I got the
option to install the OS. But it required me to shut down and restart. And
my gut told me that it was going to try to install on the MacBook, which I
definitely didn't want. So I aborted the installation.

I'm going to borrow the Cinema display that I gave away with the G5 and
connect it to the G4. Then I'll be able to see theG4's hard drive and should
be able to reformat it. And I'll make sure I do a Secure Erase before
reformatting as Otto recommended.

Thanks again for the suggestions and advice. You guys are amazing!

Vonii

On 2/18/13 9:08 PM, "V. Meyer" n2hotmusic@earthlink.net> wrote:

I'm getting the impression that I only need a keyboard for the G4 so I can
press the "T" key on startup to put the G4 into Disk Mode. And it should
show up on the MacBook desktop. My goal is to reformat the hard drive so I
can give the machine away. If it works, I'll post my success on this
discussion list.

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Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:16 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

The OS X version for the Power Mac can't install on the MacBook. I wonder
if it would have given you the option of installing on the Power Mac, still
connected in TDM?

Anyway, once you have a monitor and keyboard on the Power Mac, simply boot
from the install disc (either via System Preferences > Startup Disk if it's
already running, or by holding the C key down during bootup) and then
reinstall.

Otto

On 20 February 2013 03:42, V. Meyer n2hotmusic@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Just to close the loop on thisÃ… I connected a keyboard to the G4 and started
> it in TD mode. I inserted the OS install disk into the MacBook, and the
> screen froze. I shut down using the power button and restarted, and decided
> to try one more time. I inserted the install disk again, and I got the
> option to install the OS. But it required me to shut down and restart. And
> my gut told me that it was going to try to install on the MacBook, which I
> definitely didn't want. So I aborted the installation.
>
> I'm going to borrow the Cinema display that I gave away with the G5 and
> connect it to the G4. Then I'll be able to see theG4's hard drive and
> should
> be able to reformat it. And I'll make sure I do a Secure Erase before
> reformatting as Otto recommended.
>
> Thanks again for the suggestions and advice. You guys are amazing!
>

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Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:30 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"V. Meyer" vemeyermn

Since I still had the G4 in TD mode, I was going to try again to install the
OS using the MacBook. But someone else in the house shut the cover on my
MacBook, which broke the TD mode connection. I've tried repeatedly to
reestablish it, but nothing happens. I've even tried to just start the G4,
and nothing happens. When I press in the power button, the light comes on as
long as I hold the button in.

Any suggestions?

Vonii

On 2/20/13 6:15 AM, "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com> wrote:

The OS X version for the Power Mac can't install on the MacBook. I wonder
if it would have given you the option of installing on the Power Mac, still
connected in TDM?

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Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:32 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Carol" floridabouvs

I have a new iMac and love it. I still haven't transitioned over completely, so my PC laptop sits next to it.
One problem is reading mail -- I don't seem to have a choice to send mail to SPAM from the iMac, but I can from my PC. So when I get fed up with spam, I have to turn on my PC to deal with it. I find that if I just delete it, I keep getting more, but if I send it to SPAM, I don't.
So what am I missing? I'm sure it's there; I just haven't found it yet.
Carol

Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:43 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Bob Cook" cookrd1

You are reading your GMail in your browser aren't you? Just click the stop
sign symbol with the exclamation point in it which identified the email as
spam.

Bob

-Bob

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Carol floridabouvs@gmail.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have a new iMac and love it. I still haven't transitioned over
> completely, so my PC laptop sits next to it.
> One problem is reading mail -- I don't seem to have a choice to send mail
> to SPAM from the iMac, but I can from my PC. So when I get fed up with
> spam, I have to turn on my PC to deal with it. I find that if I just delete
> it, I keep getting more, but if I send it to SPAM, I don't.
> So what am I missing? I'm sure it's there; I just haven't found it yet.
> Carol
>
>
>

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Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:46 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Joan B. Sax, Ph.D." joan05061

Can anyone suggest a reliable word processing app for the iPad (G4)? I need to be able to open MS Word documents and edit them (don't need any fancy stuff, just text editing). There is a plethora of apps in the app store and for every review that gives an app a 5 star there is a review giving 1 star. Very confusing.

Joan

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:26 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"T Hopkins" todhop

Do you need to retain the MS formatting? If retaining the original MS Word formatting is important, your options are limited. Many things will import MS Word, but they won't necessarily retain all formatting. If you only need to import MS Word but maintaining formatting is not important, that's opens many options.

Good Luck,
tod

On Feb 20, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Joan B. Sax, Ph.D. wrote:

> Can anyone suggest a reliable word processing app for the iPad (G4)? I need to be able to open MS Word documents and edit them (don't need any fancy stuff, just text editing). There is a plethora of apps in the app store and for every review that gives an app a 5 star there is a review giving 1 star. Very confusing.
>
> Joan
>
>

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Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:23 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"whisperingwindsacademy" whisperingwindsacademy

Hello, I am looking for anyone with knowledge about old ibooks and software.

I have a ibook G3 500
it has os x on it it, I believe the very first os x.
It has not been turned on for close to 10 years.

I had it packed away after a move many years ago, and quite honestly forgot about it... lol

Well I dug it out today, plugged it in, and powered right up.
The safari and ie for mac that were on there, both were acting funny while trying to do anything on line. (safari more than ie)

anyway, I tried to download a new safari and it said my computer did not support it.

So with as old as that ibook is, does anyone know what would be the newest operating system, that the ibook can handle or that would be good for it, and where would I go to get an older OS?

Thanks for any help or advice!

Stacey

Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:35 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Barry Austern" barryaus


On Feb 20, 2013, at 4:23 PM, whisperingwindsacademy wrote:

> Hello, I am looking for anyone with knowledge about old ibooks and software.
>
> I have a ibook G3 500
> it has os x on it it, I believe the very first os x.
> It has not been turned on for close to 10 years.
>
> I had it packed away after a move many years ago, and quite honestly forgot about it... lol
>
> Well I dug it out today, plugged it in, and powered right up.
> The safari and ie for mac that were on there, both were acting funny while trying to do anything on line. (safari more than ie)
>
> anyway, I tried to download a new safari and it said my computer did not support it.
>
> So with as old as that ibook is, does anyone know what would be the newest operating system, that the ibook can handle or that would be good for it, and where would I go to get an older OS?
>
>
Ever hear of a great program called MacTracker? It is a database of pretty much everything Mac. It will tell you that and much more. Since you said 500 MHz I'm assuming it is the first of the white rectangular ones, not the colored clam shell ones, which were slower. MacTracker says it can run Tiger, 10.4.
>
>

--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

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Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:55 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

>> Hello, I am looking for anyone with knowledge about old ibooks and software.
>>
>> I have a ibook G3 500
>> it has os x on it it, I believe the very first os x.
>> It has not been turned on for close to 10 years.
>>
>> I had it packed away after a move many years ago, and quite honestly forgot about it... lol
>>
>> Well I dug it out today, plugged it in, and powered right up.
>> The safari and ie for mac that were on there, both were acting funny while trying to do anything on line. (safari more than ie)
>>
>> anyway, I tried to download a new safari and it said my computer did not support it.
>>
>> So with as old as that ibook is, does anyone know what would be the newest operating system, that the ibook can handle or that would be good for it, and where would I go to get an older OS?
>
> Ever hear of a great program called MacTracker? It is a database of pretty much everything Mac. It will tell you that and much more. Since you said 500 MHz I'm assuming it is the first of the white rectangular ones, not the colored clam shell ones, which were slower. MacTracker says it can run Tiger, 10.4.

It is a "Powerbook4,1" and can be upgraded to MacOS 10.4.11
It can also take 640 MB of RAM (it may only have 128 MD in it).

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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.com

Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:53 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

On 20 February 2013 21:54, Jim Saklad jimdoc@icloud.com> wrote:

>
> It is a "Powerbook4,1" and can be upgraded to MacOS 10.4.11
> It can also take 640 MB of RAM (it may only have 128 MD in it).
>

Just to add that there are also 2 very good sites for Mac specs going all
the way back to the early days.



Otto

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Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:33 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"HAL9000" jrswebhome

I check email from GMail, Yahoo and Comcast on my iPhone4. If I open Facebook from a browser, I get an email telling me that someone has opened Facebook. Fine w me, on my iPhone4 I just delete the email, but it doesn't delete, it ARCHIVES at GMail. How do I stop this archiving and delete these messages first time using the iPhone4?

jr

Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:43 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"us2forever" rksangelkayann

On my MacBook Air running 10.8.2, I have to wait for it to slowly find the network. When it does, I have to go to the network drop down list and click the network "frontier8888" for it to be connected. I never had to do this before, it just automatically got the network going for me. (My MacBook Pro works fine.)

For network preferences, I have frontier8888 as location. I have tried it with automatic and it makes no difference.

I have "Wi_Fi is connected to frontier8888 and has the IP address ……."

Network Name: I have frontier8888

I have run disc utilities, doing both the permissions and disc check and repair.

Is there something I am missing that I can do to get it to work normally?

Also, when I click Safari and I finally get the network working, I have to force reload the first page I want, then it works fine. This, I do not understand at all. Any help would be appreciated.

Kay
MacBook Air
Mac OS X 10.8
1.8 GHz Intel Core i7
4GB 1333 Mhz DDR3
MacBook Pro 1.1
Mac OS X 10.6.8
1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo
1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
MacBook
Mac OS X 10.6.7
2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
3 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

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