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Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:52 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Jurgen Richter" epsongroups
I'm sure you can plug it into your microphone IN plug with a stereo
adapter cord.
It will however only be 2-channel.
I've done the same in reverse... Mac stereo output from the headphone
plug to stereo RCA at the other end to plug into my stereo receiver/amp
to crank out my iTunes library through my floor speakers.
FYI - I've also got an iTunes plug-in/extension/extra called SRS-Wow
which allows you to "shape" your sound output from your Mac. I have 2
JBL domes and a subwoofer speaker on my desk, and this little add-on
makes quite a difference; well worth the couple of $ I spent some time ago.
adapter cord.
It will however only be 2-channel.
I've done the same in reverse... Mac stereo output from the headphone
plug to stereo RCA at the other end to plug into my stereo receiver/amp
to crank out my iTunes library through my floor speakers.
FYI - I've also got an iTunes plug-in/extension/
which allows you to "shape" your sound output from your Mac. I have 2
JBL domes and a subwoofer speaker on my desk, and this little add-on
makes quite a difference; well worth the couple of $ I spent some time ago.
Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:01 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Thanks Tod. Nice succinct article.
On Feb 25, 2013, at 6:22 AM, T Hopkins wrote:
Timely and simple article explaining the current state and including instructions for removing both Apple and third party Java versions.
http://www.macworld.com/article/2028900/how-to-disable-java-on-your-mac.html#tk.nl_mwbest
Cheers,
tod
On Feb 22, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Hugh Crymble wrote:
> I received updates from Apple today to update Java SE 6 to 1.6.0_41
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> and
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> from Oracle to update to Java 7 Update 15.
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> Does anyone know which I should be using for good security on a Mac or is there no difference?
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> Thanks
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> hugh
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On Feb 25, 2013, at 6:22 AM, T Hopkins wrote:
Timely and simple article explaining the current state and including instructions for removing both Apple and third party Java versions.
http://www.macworld
Cheers,
tod
On Feb 22, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Hugh Crymble wrote:
> I received updates from Apple today to update Java SE 6 to 1.6.0_41
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> and
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> from Oracle to update to Java 7 Update 15.
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> Does anyone know which I should be using for good security on a Mac or is there no difference?
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> Thanks
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> hugh
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Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:09 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Feb 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Timely and simple article explaining the current state and including instructions for removing both Apple and third party Java versions.
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> http://www.macworld
I think that Rich Mogull tends to be overly alarmist.
Simply turning off Java in your browser(s) is sufficient. There have been no exploits for the Macintosh that effect Java-based applications outside of your browser.
Thomas Reed agrees:
"This is a major issue, and it cannot be stressed often enough: if you haven‚t done it already, it‚s time to disable Java in your web browser!
...Second, uninstalling Java completely, as some experts have recommended recently, is absolutely unnecessary!
http://www.thesafem
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:18 am (PST) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
I totally agree that the sudden concern about Java is both alarmist and disingenuous. I believe it is fueled by a general industry distrust of Oracle and resentment over it's acquisition of Sun's assets.
Still, the general sentiment that Java, on balance, may no longer be worth it for most of us is entirely valid.
Cheers,
tod
On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
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> On Feb 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
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>> Timely and simple article explaining the current state and including instructions for removing both Apple and third party Java versions.
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>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2028900/how-to-disable-java-on-your-mac.html#tk.nl_mwbest
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> I think that Rich Mogull tends to be overly alarmist.
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> Simply turning off Java in your browser(s) is sufficient. There have been no exploits for the Macintosh that effect Java-based applications outside of your browser.
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> Thomas Reed agrees:
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> "This is a major issue, and it cannot be stressed often enough: if you haven≠t done it already, it≠s time to disable Java in your web browser!
> ...Second, uninstalling Java completely, as some experts have recommended recently, is absolutely unnecessary!"
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> http://www.thesafemac.com/java-is-vulnerable-again/
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Still, the general sentiment that Java, on balance, may no longer be worth it for most of us is entirely valid.
Cheers,
tod
On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
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> On Feb 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
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>> Timely and simple article explaining the current state and including instructions for removing both Apple and third party Java versions.
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>> http://www.macworld
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> I think that Rich Mogull tends to be overly alarmist.
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> Simply turning off Java in your browser(s) is sufficient. There have been no exploits for the Macintosh that effect Java-based applications outside of your browser.
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> Thomas Reed agrees:
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> "This is a major issue, and it cannot be stressed often enough: if you haven≠t done it already, it≠s time to disable Java in your web browser!
> ...Second, uninstalling Java completely, as some experts have recommended recently, is absolutely unnecessary!
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> http://www.thesafem
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> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:59 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> I totally agree that the sudden concern about Java is both alarmist and disingenuous.
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> Still, the general sentiment that Java, on balance, may no longer be worth it for most of us is entirely valid.
> tod
Currently MacOS does not come with Java.
My recommendation would be to NOT install it *unless* you encounter a specific need (which is unlikely for the majority of users).
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> Still, the general sentiment that Java, on balance, may no longer be worth it for most of us is entirely valid.
> tod
Currently MacOS does not come with Java.
My recommendation would be to NOT install it *unless* you encounter a specific need (which is unlikely for the majority of users).
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:55 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Jim Showalter" jshowalt94127
The only non-apple app I run on my MacBook Pro for serious work is a Java app. It is a cross-platform replacement for Quicken. Java is totally a requirement for me. I do have the java plugin shutdown on Safari, however. To run without the Java non-Quicken app would cause me no end of grief.
On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:18 AM, T Hopkins wrote:
> I totally agree that the sudden concern about Java is both alarmist and disingenuous. I believe it is fueled by a general industry distrust of Oracle and resentment over it's acquisition of Sun's assets.
>
> Still, the general sentiment that Java, on balance, may no longer be worth it for most of us is entirely valid.
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> Cheers,
> tod
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> On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
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> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
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> >> Timely and simple article explaining the current state and including instructions for removing both Apple and third party Java versions.
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> >> http://www.macworld.com/article/2028900/how-to-disable-java-on-your-mac.html#tk.nl_mwbest
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> > I think that Rich Mogull tends to be overly alarmist.
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> > Simply turning off Java in your browser(s) is sufficient. There have been no exploits for the Macintosh that effect Java-based applications outside of your browser.
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> > Thomas Reed agrees:
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> > "This is a major issue, and it cannot be stressed often enough: if you haven≠t done it already, it≠s time to disable Java in your web browser!
> > ...Second, uninstalling Java completely, as some experts have recommended recently, is absolutely unnecessary!"
> >
> > http://www.thesafemac.com/java-is-vulnerable-again/
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> > ___________________________________________
> > Randy B. Singer
> > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
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On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:18 AM, T Hopkins wrote:
> I totally agree that the sudden concern about Java is both alarmist and disingenuous. I believe it is fueled by a general industry distrust of Oracle and resentment over it's acquisition of Sun's assets.
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> Still, the general sentiment that Java, on balance, may no longer be worth it for most of us is entirely valid.
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> Cheers,
> tod
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> On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
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> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
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> >> Timely and simple article explaining the current state and including instructions for removing both Apple and third party Java versions.
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> >> http://www.macworld
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> > I think that Rich Mogull tends to be overly alarmist.
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> > Simply turning off Java in your browser(s) is sufficient. There have been no exploits for the Macintosh that effect Java-based applications outside of your browser.
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> > Thomas Reed agrees:
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> > "This is a major issue, and it cannot be stressed often enough: if you haven≠t done it already, it≠s time to disable Java in your web browser!
> > ...Second, uninstalling Java completely, as some experts have recommended recently, is absolutely unnecessary!
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> > http://www.thesafem
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> > ____________
> > Randy B. Singer
> > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:21 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
I agree, currently I could not function well without Java on my MBP. My password vault app requires Java to run.
I have removed several apps that I no longer use that require Java, and I have removed Java components from other apps, that so far function properly without them. It has only been 45 days at the present.
I am moving to the complete removal from Java from my Macs, since that is the direction that Apple is moving OS X. They also started iOS without the use of Java.
Brent
On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Jim Showalter wrote:
The only non-apple app I run on my MacBook Pro for serious work is a Java app. It is a cross-platform replacement for Quicken. Java is totally a requirement for me. I do have the java plugin shutdown on Safari, however. To run without the Java non-Quicken app would cause me no end of grief.
On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:18 AM, T Hopkins wrote:
> I totally agree that the sudden concern about Java is both alarmist and disingenuous. I believe it is fueled by a general industry distrust of Oracle and resentment over it's acquisition of Sun's assets.
>
> Still, the general sentiment that Java, on balance, may no longer be worth it for most of us is entirely valid.
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> Cheers,
> tod
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> On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
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> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
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> >> Timely and simple article explaining the current state and including instructions for removing both Apple and third party Java versions.
> >>
> >> http://www.macworld.com/article/2028900/how-to-disable-java-on-your-mac.html#tk.nl_mwbest
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> > I think that Rich Mogull tends to be overly alarmist.
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> > Simply turning off Java in your browser(s) is sufficient. There have been no exploits for the Macintosh that effect Java-based applications outside of your browser.
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> > Thomas Reed agrees:
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> > "This is a major issue, and it cannot be stressed often enough: if you haven≠t done it already, it≠s time to disable Java in your web browser!
> > ...Second, uninstalling Java completely, as some experts have recommended recently, is absolutely unnecessary!"
> >
> > http://www.thesafemac.com/java-is-vulnerable-again/
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> > ___________________________________________
> > Randy B. Singer
> > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
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> > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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I have removed several apps that I no longer use that require Java, and I have removed Java components from other apps, that so far function properly without them. It has only been 45 days at the present.
I am moving to the complete removal from Java from my Macs, since that is the direction that Apple is moving OS X. They also started iOS without the use of Java.
Brent
On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Jim Showalter wrote:
The only non-apple app I run on my MacBook Pro for serious work is a Java app. It is a cross-platform replacement for Quicken. Java is totally a requirement for me. I do have the java plugin shutdown on Safari, however. To run without the Java non-Quicken app would cause me no end of grief.
On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:18 AM, T Hopkins wrote:
> I totally agree that the sudden concern about Java is both alarmist and disingenuous. I believe it is fueled by a general industry distrust of Oracle and resentment over it's acquisition of Sun's assets.
>
> Still, the general sentiment that Java, on balance, may no longer be worth it for most of us is entirely valid.
>
> Cheers,
> tod
>
> On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
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> >
> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> >
> >> Timely and simple article explaining the current state and including instructions for removing both Apple and third party Java versions.
> >>
> >> http://www.macworld
> >
> > I think that Rich Mogull tends to be overly alarmist.
> >
> > Simply turning off Java in your browser(s) is sufficient. There have been no exploits for the Macintosh that effect Java-based applications outside of your browser.
> >
> > Thomas Reed agrees:
> >
> > "This is a major issue, and it cannot be stressed often enough: if you haven≠t done it already, it≠s time to disable Java in your web browser!
> > ...Second, uninstalling Java completely, as some experts have recommended recently, is absolutely unnecessary!
> >
> > http://www.thesafem
> >
> > ____________
> > Randy B. Singer
> > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
> >
> > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
> > http://www.macattor
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Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:15 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Joan B. Sax, Ph.D." joan05061
Had a response (thanks.Budd) and have ordered and received the Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard and it is perfect. Acts as a cover and still fits into a cloth sleeve and, even more important, the entire iPad, keyboard, and sleeve fits into my purse. Will travel.
Joan in Vermont where it is winter, no spring, no wait, winter again.
Joan in Vermont where it is winter, no spring, no wait, winter again.
Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:48 am (PST) . Posted by:
"William Pontius MD" saltayre
In answer to your question, I am using a MacPro 4.1 -Safari 5.1.7 and I am talking about my Yahoo inbox. Hope that this clarifies things. Thanx
saltayre
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:08 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
You did not say which version of OS X you are running, but I don't think that is pertinent in this situation.
I also assume that you are Yahoo web mail, since you did not mention a email app, there is no "read mail" mailbox in Mail.app, and I do not know of a email app specifically for Yahoo email for a Mac.
Web mail is affected by neither your OS nor your choice of browser, at least as far as your mailboxes and their content on Yahoo's web mail. The OS and browser are only allowing you to view the mail on the Yahoo mail server.
Look to Yahoo for an answer.
Brent
On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:46 AM, William Pontius MD wrote:
In answer to your question, I am using a MacPro 4.1 -Safari 5.1.7 and I am talking about my Yahoo inbox. Hope that this clarifies things. Thanx
saltayre
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I also assume that you are Yahoo web mail, since you did not mention a email app, there is no "read mail" mailbox in Mail.app, and I do not know of a email app specifically for Yahoo email for a Mac.
Web mail is affected by neither your OS nor your choice of browser, at least as far as your mailboxes and their content on Yahoo's web mail. The OS and browser are only allowing you to view the mail on the Yahoo mail server.
Look to Yahoo for an answer.
Brent
On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:46 AM, William Pontius MD wrote:
In answer to your question, I am using a MacPro 4.1 -Safari 5.1.7 and I am talking about my Yahoo inbox. Hope that this clarifies things. Thanx
saltayre
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:43 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
I would like to compile a list of apps that use Java. I hate to have to buy an app only to find it uses Java.
Let me start by saying that, as I understand it, there is currently no malware that affects apps on the desktop of a Mac. As opposed to those that can affect Internet browsers through Java add-ons.
I decided to take the extra step of minimizing my use of Java. iOS does not allow Java, so my iPhone is safe. That leaves my Macs running OS X. It sounds like there may be one or more on the list that would like to minimize their use of Java also. And since Apple is moving away from Java on the Mac, I might as well start moving in that direction, also.
I ran a Terminal operation to check for the presence of Java components on my MBP. I broke it into 3 categories as follows:
Those that will not work without Java, but that I will continue to use until I find a replacement:
Callpod Keeper password vault
Those that will not work without Java, and I have removed for lack of use or found a replacment:
LibreOffice.app
OpenOffice.org.app
Stanza.app
Those that will work with the removal of the Java component, pathway included:
/Applications/Adobe Bridge CS3/Bridge CS3.app/Contents/MacOS/Opera.app
& all the components below it.
/Applications/GraphicConverter.app/Contents/Frameworks/loci_tools.jar
/Applications/Evernote.app/Contents/Resources/ink-render-0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar
Again, I am going beyond what is currently needed, but since Apple is moving away from Java, it will help future use of OS X.
Brent
Let me start by saying that, as I understand it, there is currently no malware that affects apps on the desktop of a Mac. As opposed to those that can affect Internet browsers through Java add-ons.
I decided to take the extra step of minimizing my use of Java. iOS does not allow Java, so my iPhone is safe. That leaves my Macs running OS X. It sounds like there may be one or more on the list that would like to minimize their use of Java also. And since Apple is moving away from Java on the Mac, I might as well start moving in that direction, also.
I ran a Terminal operation to check for the presence of Java components on my MBP. I broke it into 3 categories as follows:
Those that will not work without Java, but that I will continue to use until I find a replacement:
Callpod Keeper password vault
Those that will not work without Java, and I have removed for lack of use or found a replacment:
LibreOffice.
OpenOffice.org.
Stanza.app
Those that will work with the removal of the Java component, pathway included:
/Applications/
& all the components below it.
/Applications/
/Applications/
Again, I am going beyond what is currently needed, but since Apple is moving away from Java, it will help future use of OS X.
Brent
Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:11 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:43 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> I would like to compile a list of apps that use Java. I hate to have to buy an app only to find it uses Java.
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> Let me start by saying that, as I understand it, there is currently no malware that affects apps on the desktop of a Mac. As opposed to those that can affect Internet browsers through Java add-ons.
What apps are on the desktop, unless you put them there? Please rephrase your question.
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