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Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:08 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Mar 3, 2013, at 4:42 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
> In some cases, there wasn't any Mac software
> available and in others, the Windows version just looked or worked better.
If there is any sort of software that you are looking for, let me know. Maybe I can help.
As for software looking better or working better in Windows, my experience has been that folks like what they are used to better. Once you get used to a Mac version, you'll like it just as much. But it _is_ a pain to learn a new program.
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
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Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:12 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Mar 3, 2013, at 2:37 PM, T Hopkins wrote:
> Actually, we should be very thankful for OS X, unix, and Open Source. Over the life of OS X, the imbalance between the availability and cost of software between Windows and Mac has all but reversed. Open Source projects, generally built for Linux first, are as likely to be ported to Mac as Windows and this drives down Mac prices dramatically. And so has the iPhone.
>
> All this has driven the price of Mac software way down, often to zero.
What has recently drastically driven the price of Mac software down is the App Store. Now that developers don't have to figure in the cost of piracy, and marketing is less important, they have reduced their software to reasonable prices.
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
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Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:23 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Mar 3, 2013, at 4:29 AM, T Hopkins wrote:
> There appears to be a way to get your ScrapItPro notes in using PDF printing, but how will you get them out when GrowlyNotes reaches EOL?
Yes, that it a huge consideration, but there appears to be nothing to worry about with either application.
ScrapIt Pro can export my data in any of several common and useful formats, including RTF or plain text.
GrowlyNotes, under File --> Export, has a large selection of formats that it can export to, including plain text and Word format.
I'm not worried about losing my data when GrowlyNotes reaches EOL.
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
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Sun Mar 3, 2013 5:27 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Carol Corley wrote:
> Does that not make your Mac susceptible to all the Windows viruses? And then don't you have to have Norton (or similar) on your Mac?
> Carol
>
> Bob wrote:
> I run Win8 on my Mac
Windows running on a Macintosh is theoretically just as susceptible to malware as a Windows PC.
But there is one big difference in using Windows on a Mac and using it on an actual PC, and that is that you have your Mac partition to work with.
Most folks that I know of who are running Windows on their Mac are doing so just to run one or two mission critical applications. Or maybe a few Windows-only games. They don't use Windows for anything else.
Most of the nasties that a PC can get come either via e-mail or the
Web. If you don't use Windows to access the Internet, or for e-mail
(and there is no need to, since there is excellent Macintosh software
with which you can do that), you have cut off by far the biggest
vectors for Windows infection.
Now, if you are also careful about
what you install on your Windows partition from other external sources
(i.e. don't share programs or files with non-protected Windows PC's via flash
drive), you can completely avoid any Windows malware.
So anti-virus software for Windows running on a Mac in most cases is probably completely unnecessary.
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
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Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:00 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Randy,
I am one of those who uses Windows for a few applications.
I use XP on my Mac to borrow audio books from the county library, and that is about the only thing since most other uses have since come out with a Mac version. The library has decided to stock mostly WMA over MP3 format, so I have to use Windows to borrow most books. I have to use a browser and Overdrive to do this.
Unfortunately, it is an extremely slow process on the Windows side to transfer the books to my iPod with Overdrive. It won't work on the Mac side because of digital rights. (In fact, one author won't release the rights for even the WMA version to be used on an Apple iDevice. Sadly it is an author I enjoy, so I have to buy his books.)
I do use AV software for peace of mind, MS Security Essentials. And the various updates, AV, other MS, Adobe Reader, Java and Apple updates, sometime take more time than downloading the books and transferring them to the iPod.
Brent
On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Carol Corley wrote:
> Does that not make your Mac susceptible to all the Windows viruses? And then don't you have to have Norton (or similar) on your Mac?
> Carol
>
> Bob wrote:
> I run Win8 on my Mac
Windows running on a Macintosh is theoretically just as susceptible to malware as a Windows PC.
But there is one big difference in using Windows on a Mac and using it on an actual PC, and that is that you have your Mac partition to work with.
Most folks that I know of who are running Windows on their Mac are doing so just to run one or two mission critical applications. Or maybe a few Windows-only games. They don't use Windows for anything else.
Most of the nasties that a PC can get come either via e-mail or the
Web. If you don't use Windows to access the Internet, or for e-mail
(and there is no need to, since there is excellent Macintosh software
with which you can do that), you have cut off by far the biggest
vectors for Windows infection.
Now, if you are also careful about
what you install on your Windows partition from other external sources
(i.e. don't share programs or files with non-protected Windows PC's via flash
drive), you can completely avoid any Windows malware.
So anti-virus software for Windows running on a Mac in most cases is probably completely unnecessary.
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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I am one of those who uses Windows for a few applications.
I use XP on my Mac to borrow audio books from the county library, and that is about the only thing since most other uses have since come out with a Mac version. The library has decided to stock mostly WMA over MP3 format, so I have to use Windows to borrow most books. I have to use a browser and Overdrive to do this.
Unfortunately, it is an extremely slow process on the Windows side to transfer the books to my iPod with Overdrive. It won't work on the Mac side because of digital rights. (In fact, one author won't release the rights for even the WMA version to be used on an Apple iDevice. Sadly it is an author I enjoy, so I have to buy his books.)
I do use AV software for peace of mind, MS Security Essentials. And the various updates, AV, other MS, Adobe Reader, Java and Apple updates, sometime take more time than downloading the books and transferring them to the iPod.
Brent
On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Carol Corley wrote:
> Does that not make your Mac susceptible to all the Windows viruses? And then don't you have to have Norton (or similar) on your Mac?
> Carol
>
> Bob wrote:
> I run Win8 on my Mac
Windows running on a Macintosh is theoretically just as susceptible to malware as a Windows PC.
But there is one big difference in using Windows on a Mac and using it on an actual PC, and that is that you have your Mac partition to work with.
Most folks that I know of who are running Windows on their Mac are doing so just to run one or two mission critical applications. Or maybe a few Windows-only games. They don't use Windows for anything else.
Most of the nasties that a PC can get come either via e-mail or the
Web. If you don't use Windows to access the Internet, or for e-mail
(and there is no need to, since there is excellent Macintosh software
with which you can do that), you have cut off by far the biggest
vectors for Windows infection.
Now, if you are also careful about
what you install on your Windows partition from other external sources
(i.e. don't share programs or files with non-protected Windows PC's via flash
drive), you can completely avoid any Windows malware.
So anti-virus software for Windows running on a Mac in most cases is probably completely unnecessary.
____________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattor
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Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:08 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> But you realise that a *large* SSD (500 GB) would be *very* expensive?
> I'm not clear how this makes any sense.
> Otto
SATA-3 480 GB SSD for $494.99 from OWC.
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> I'm not clear how this makes any sense.
> Otto
SATA-3 480 GB SSD for $494.99 from OWC.
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Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:19 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> But you realise that a *large* SSD (500 GB) would be *very* expensive?
>> I'm not clear how this makes any sense.
>> Otto
>
> SATA-3 480 GB SSD for $494.99 from OWC.
Also it's good to get on OWC's newsletter mailing list. Last year I bought a Toshiba 512 GB SSD that I learned about in the newsletter -- the same drive Apple had been including as a "build-to-order" upgrade option in Macbook Pro's -- for less than $300.
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.com
>> I'm not clear how this makes any sense.
>> Otto
>
> SATA-3 480 GB SSD for $494.99 from OWC.
Also it's good to get on OWC's newsletter mailing list. Last year I bought a Toshiba 512 GB SSD that I learned about in the newsletter -- the same drive Apple had been including as a "build-
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.
Sun Mar 3, 2013 7:39 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Jim,
If you are using the client or patient portion of the application, why would you need a 500 Gb drive? If the user app needs that much room, then 98% of users can not use it.
Brent
On Mar 3, 2013, at 9:23 AM, James Robertson wrote:
I have a first-gen Retina Display 15" MacBook Pro. It's about to become the host (part time) to an Enterprise Electronic Health Record (Epic) that runs only in Windows. These guys are accustomed to working with 1500 bed hospitals, but in the last few years they've been implementing their product in Medical Practices as well (I have no idea whether or not they're privately held or investor-owned, but it appears they've come close to winning the "war" for EHR predominance (I know primarily West Coast, but they've captured Stanford, UCSF, California Pacific Med Center, Kaiser Foundations Hospitals and Permanente Medical Clinics, and just recently my East Coast alma mater in New Haven, CT.
In any event, whenever I bring up the fact that my life is lived in the Mac OS, I get "we'll see" sorts of responses from IT people. I know it can be done; I don't know how hard they'll try to shield me from people doing it (via a Windows VM, of course; they have NO native client access via Mac except for a remote connection via Citrix server which is very slow).
The "minimum" spec for Windows boxes to install Epic is a 500 GB drive, Intel i3, 4 GB RAM. I'm OK on all but the hard drive. It appears the options will be to replace my SSD with a much larger one, or perhaps put ALL my data on a Thunderbolt drive.
The whole thing is complicated still more because they want their entire installation to be encrypted using Credant encryption software, and they've not yet told me whether they mean encrypting just my Windows VM or my entire physical SSD (fortunately, Credant does have both Windows and Mac products, but I don't know yet whether the Mac product is compatible with OS X 10.8.
I'm hoping to have answers for all the IT objections (I think they've learned by now "we don't work with Macs" is no longer an acceptable "final answer."
Can anyone here offer me an "order-of-magnitude" comparison between running everything from an SSD vs. some data access from a Thunderbolt drive? I'm not asking for precision that requires 2 decimal places; just the kind of eye-popping difference that comes from booting an SSD vs. booting a fast hard drive.
Thanks so much,
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If you are using the client or patient portion of the application, why would you need a 500 Gb drive? If the user app needs that much room, then 98% of users can not use it.
Brent
On Mar 3, 2013, at 9:23 AM, James Robertson wrote:
I have a first-gen Retina Display 15" MacBook Pro. It's about to become the host (part time) to an Enterprise Electronic Health Record (Epic) that runs only in Windows. These guys are accustomed to working with 1500 bed hospitals, but in the last few years they've been implementing their product in Medical Practices as well (I have no idea whether or not they're privately held or investor-owned, but it appears they've come close to winning the "war" for EHR predominance (I know primarily West Coast, but they've captured Stanford, UCSF, California Pacific Med Center, Kaiser Foundations Hospitals and Permanente Medical Clinics, and just recently my East Coast alma mater in New Haven, CT.
In any event, whenever I bring up the fact that my life is lived in the Mac OS, I get "we'
The "minimum" spec for Windows boxes to install Epic is a 500 GB drive, Intel i3, 4 GB RAM. I'm OK on all but the hard drive. It appears the options will be to replace my SSD with a much larger one, or perhaps put ALL my data on a Thunderbolt drive.
The whole thing is complicated still more because they want their entire installation to be encrypted using Credant encryption software, and they've not yet told me whether they mean encrypting just my Windows VM or my entire physical SSD (fortunately, Credant does have both Windows and Mac products, but I don't know yet whether the Mac product is compatible with OS X 10.8.
I'm hoping to have answers for all the IT objections (I think they've learned by now "we don't work with Macs" is no longer an acceptable "final answer."
Can anyone here offer me an "order-
Thanks so much,
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Sun Mar 3, 2013 8:11 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Jim Saklad jimdoc@icloud.
> Are you aware that the SSD in a Retina Macbook Pro is *NOT* a replaceable item?
Actually, OWC DOES make a 480 GB user-installable SSD for the 15" Retina Display MacBook Pro. RAM, on the other hand, is soldered to the motherboard and cannot be changed after purchase.
http://eshop.
Jim Robertson
Sun Mar 3, 2013 8:19 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:39 PM, N.A. Nada whodo678@comcast.
> Jim,
>
> If you are using the client or patient portion of the application, why would you need a 500 Gb drive? If the user app needs that much room, then 98% of users can not use it.
This is for my medical practice. I have no idea why the stated minimum workstation drive sizes are so enormous (for docs, support staff, and the office manager). I suspect it may be an easy way to make certain people don't buy general purpose computers on which they'll be running MS Office and who knows what else, then complain when they run out of disk space and blame it on Epic IT.
All our Epic program data will be stored remotely on the hospital network'
Jim Robertson
Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:21 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Michael King" prudencehalliwell507
I have the 480 GB SSD from OWC in my 15 inch MacBook Pro Retina and I want
to tell you it runs faster than the one that come in it and is very easy to
replace. OWC gives you the tool your need to open up the Notebook so it
took longer to move my files back on the computer than put the drive in.
Mike
On 3/3/13 10:11 PM, "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.net > wrote:
>
> On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Jim Saklad jimdoc@icloud.com > wrote:
>
>> Are you aware that the SSD in a Retina Macbook Pro is *NOT* a replaceable
>> item?
>
> Actually, OWC DOES make a 480 GB user-installable SSD for the 15" Retina
> Display MacBook Pro. RAM, on the other hand, is soldered to the motherboard
> and cannot be changed after purchase.
>
> http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDAP12K480/ >
>
> Jim Robertson
Michael King
2.3GHz Quad Core i7 15 inch MacBook Pro (Retina) •
10.8.3 Mountain Lion
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to tell you it runs faster than the one that come in it and is very easy to
replace. OWC gives you the tool your need to open up the Notebook so it
took longer to move my files back on the computer than put the drive in.
Mike
On 3/3/13 10:11 PM, "James Robertson" jamesrob@sonic.
>
> On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Jim Saklad jimdoc@icloud.
>
>> Are you aware that the SSD in a Retina Macbook Pro is *NOT* a replaceable
>> item?
>
> Actually, OWC DOES make a 480 GB user-installable SSD for the 15" Retina
> Display MacBook Pro. RAM, on the other hand, is soldered to the motherboard
> and cannot be changed after purchase.
>
> http://eshop.
>
> Jim Robertson
Michael King
2.3GHz Quad Core i7 15 inch MacBook Pro (Retina) •
10.8.3 Mountain Lion
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Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:47 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> Are you aware that the SSD in a Retina Macbook Pro is *NOT* a replaceable item?
>
> Actually, OWC DOES make a 480 GB user-installable SSD for the 15" Retina Display MacBook Pro. RAM, on the other hand, is soldered to the motherboard and cannot be changed after purchase.
I should know better. I've made that particular slip more than once.
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> Actually, OWC DOES make a 480 GB user-installable SSD for the 15" Retina Display MacBook Pro. RAM, on the other hand, is soldered to the motherboard and cannot be changed after purchase.
I should know better. I've made that particular slip more than once.
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Mon Mar 4, 2013 4:25 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 4 March 2013 02:08, Jim Saklad jimdoc@icloud.com > wrote:
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> SATA-3 480 GB SSD for $494.99 from OWC.
>
SSD prices *have* come down, but that's still a lot IMO, especially if it's
being done just to run one Windows app.
Otto
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> SATA-3 480 GB SSD for $494.99 from OWC.
>
SSD prices *have* come down, but that's still a lot IMO, especially if it's
being done just to run one Windows app.
Otto
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Sun Mar 3, 2013 8:00 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"David Myers" myavid76
I do see my neighbor's network in the drop down box. I will try your suggestion. Thank you, Dave.
Mon Mar 4, 2013 7:03 am (PST) . Posted by:
"T Hopkins" todhop
2) Windows formatted drives are not a problem on Macs, but there are some limits. Do this...
Set up your new Time Machine drive first. This will prevent the Mac from prompting you to use the Windows drive when you plug it in later. After Time Machine is setup, plug the Windows drive into your Mac. Just plugging the drive in and turning it on is safe. It should mount. Because you have already set up your time machine drive, you should not be prompted to use this Windows drive for Time Machine. If you are told that your Mac cannot read this drive, cancel. If the drive does not mount on the desktop, abandon and check with us. You probably need to check the drive on a Windows machine.
Assuming the drive is standard Windows format (NTFS) you will be able to copy anything off the drive. Macs can read all standard Windows formats but cannot write to the current NTFS format. That's good for you right now. This drive will remain the backup for your photos while you get everything working.
Eventually if you like, you can install NTFS-3G or Paragon NTFS in order to read AND write Windows drives, but this is unecessary for what you want.
Cheers,
tod
On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Carol wrote:
> 1.) I have a new 27" iMac and bought a WD 1T external backup drive. It is formatted for a Mac but came with no instructions. I assume I just plug it in and it will start automatically backing up. Or do I need a program to get it to do that? Like Time Machine, whatever that is.
> 2.) I have lotsof important photos on an external Book drive from a Windows 97 PC. I thought someone said I could just plug it into the iMac to get the photos off, but it isn't formatted for Mac, so wouldn't that be a problem? It would hate to have the photos destroyed.
> Thanks.
> Carol
>
>
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Set up your new Time Machine drive first. This will prevent the Mac from prompting you to use the Windows drive when you plug it in later. After Time Machine is setup, plug the Windows drive into your Mac. Just plugging the drive in and turning it on is safe. It should mount. Because you have already set up your time machine drive, you should not be prompted to use this Windows drive for Time Machine. If you are told that your Mac cannot read this drive, cancel. If the drive does not mount on the desktop, abandon and check with us. You probably need to check the drive on a Windows machine.
Assuming the drive is standard Windows format (NTFS) you will be able to copy anything off the drive. Macs can read all standard Windows formats but cannot write to the current NTFS format. That's good for you right now. This drive will remain the backup for your photos while you get everything working.
Eventually if you like, you can install NTFS-3G or Paragon NTFS in order to read AND write Windows drives, but this is unecessary for what you want.
Cheers,
tod
On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Carol wrote:
> 1.) I have a new 27" iMac and bought a WD 1T external backup drive. It is formatted for a Mac but came with no instructions. I assume I just plug it in and it will start automatically backing up. Or do I need a program to get it to do that? Like Time Machine, whatever that is.
> 2.) I have lotsof important photos on an external Book drive from a Windows 97 PC. I thought someone said I could just plug it into the iMac to get the photos off, but it isn't formatted for Mac, so wouldn't that be a problem? It would hate to have the photos destroyed.
> Thanks.
> Carol
>
>
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