3/08/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9423

15 New Messages

Digest #9423
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Re: I need a boot disk for Mountain Lion by "Earle Jones" earlejones501
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Re: I need a boot disk for Mountain Lion by "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au
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Re: Mac vs PC software prices by "Norman Lloyd" norman_lloyd
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Re: Mac vs PC software prices by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
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Re: Mac vs PC software prices by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
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Re: Mac vs PC software prices by "Dave C" davec2468
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Re: Mac vs PC software prices by "Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger
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Re: Blu-Ray Burners by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
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Re: Blu-Ray Burners by "HAL9000" jrswebhome
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Re: Blu-Ray Burners by "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler
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Re: Blu-Ray Burners by "HAL9000" jrswebhome
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I carry OS X with me... by "Dave C" davec2468

Messages

Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:50 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Earle Jones" earlejones501

Barbara:

Greetings!

Since you already own 10.8 (Mountain Lion), you should be able to download the installer without any charge. (Note: Randy and Jim: Is this always true?)

Go to the "App Store" (icon is in your dock) and click on "Featured"; (at the top.)

In the column on the right under "All Categories" you will see the first listing: "OS X Mountain Lion." Click on that. This will take you to the OS X Mountain Lion page.

Click on "Download"; (under the pic of the mountain lion.) This is a large file -- about 4.4 GB. The download will take some time. When it is finished downloading, double click on it.
When it opens you will see the icon in the dock. Click on the icon in the dock and hold the click. You will see a popup that has "Options." Click on the "Keep in Dock."

This will make the installer available to you forever.

I used exactly this approach (at the suggestion of a couple of posters here: Randy Singer and Jim Saklad. I used the installer to make a copy on an external disk and on a 16 GB FlashDrive. If you copy to a flashdrive, it should be at lease 8 GB, preferably 16 GB. The installed OS is almost 7 GB, which would crowd an 8 GB drive.

The flash drive copy is **painfully** slow. The copy on an external drive works very well.

Hope this helps!

earle
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> > On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 11:28:13 -0800, Earle Jones wrote:
> > > Is there any way to create a DVD or better yet, a flash drive (thumb
> > > drive), by using something like Carbon Copy Cloner to transfer the
> > > system files from my primary HD to the flash drive?
> > >
> > > My primary drive (1 TB) has almost 300 GB total data. I don't want a
> > > complete clone.
> > >
> > > But how do I extract only the system files necessary to create a boot drive?
> > >
> > > Many thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > earle
> > > *
> > > _______________________
> > > Earle Jones
> >
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Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:55 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Christopher Collins" cjc1959au

OS X Recovery Disk Assistant can deal with creating one from the recovery partition.

http://support.apple.com/downloads/DL1433/en_US/RecoveryDiskAssistant.dmg

cjc

On 08/03/2013, at 7:50 AM, missladybee <beadedimages@earthlink.net> wrote:

> My iMac was purchased in December brand new directly from the Online Apple Store, preinstalled with the 10.8.
>
> Are you saying I can purchase the Mountain Lion directly from the App Store? This is install software? I went there and that looks to be true. Once purchased I can then access it through my Apple ID account and download onto a thumb drive?
>
> Barbara
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
> >
> > Since you purchase the iMac from someone else and they installed 10.8.2 have you asked them if they can provide you with the discs or any back up copies of those OSes?
> >
> > If you changed the Apple ID on the iMac to your own, have you tried purchasing it from the (Mac) App Store? The one that is a stand alone app, called App Store.app, in your App folder, not iTunes.app.
> >
> > Since it is already installed on your iMac, there is a receipt file on it that might prevent re-down loading 10.8. If so, I would call Apple and ask them how to accomplish that. Or if you can use the reinstall procedures as if you were the original purchaser of the 10.8. I have no clue how the licensing deals with this, but I am sure that Apple would not mind helping you out to purchase it for $19.99.
> >
> > Then make sure you copy it off onto some other media to preserve a copy for yourself. You might have to call back to switch over to your purchased copy, so get a ticket number, as they may have to walk you through it. You usually get 90 days of AppleCare support for the purchase of an OS.
> >
> > Brent
> >
> >
>

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Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:40 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01

> OS X Recovery Disk Assistant can deal with creating one from the recovery partition.

Perhaps *using* the Recovery Partition, but the partition does not itself contain all the data required.

The downloadable file Install "OS X Mountain Lion.app" is 4.4 GB.
The Recovery Partition is less than 1 GB.

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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.com

Thu Mar 7, 2013 4:26 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Norman Lloyd" norman_lloyd

... could you please remember to erase all the text before you reply to the group?
This saves having to view a load of already-read text and makes life easier, especially if you don't use the digest feature...

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Thu Mar 7, 2013 4:35 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

Norman,

We do remind people to trim their posts if they continually forget to do
so. Basic netiquette and all that ...

But who is "you" in your reply?

Otto

On 8 March 2013 00:26, Norman Lloyd <norman_lloyd@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... could you please remember to erase all the text before you reply to
> the group?
> This saves having to view a load of already-read text and makes life
> easier, especially if you don't use the digest feature...
>

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Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:43 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup


On Mar 7, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Norman Lloyd wrote:

> ... could you please remember to erase all the text before you reply to the group?
> This saves having to view a load of already-read text and makes life easier, especially if you don't use the digest feature...

I would agree, except that sometimes a person erases so much that if you haven't stored the whole threat in your memory, you don't know what people are talking about.

My own policy is to erase all but the key facts of the earlier thread so that people new to the thread can figure out what people are talking about. I'm NOT going to go through my deleted mail trying to dredge up a history of what people are talking about.

If you have a comment about a procedure or URL that someone mentioned in a reply then for heaven's sake include in in YOUR comment. I delete so many emails these days because they say things like "that worked."

WHAT worked!? For WHAT?

Daly

Thu Mar 7, 2013 8:12 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Since reply-posts are not always made immediately after the one it is replying to, please leave enough of the prior post so we know ehat you are replying to. Trim it, but leave us something to work from.

Please.

On Mar 7, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

Norman,

We do remind people to trim their posts if they continually forget to do
so. Basic netiquette and all that ...

But who is "you" in your reply?

Otto

On 8 March 2013 00:26, Norman Lloyd <norman_lloyd@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... could you please remember to erase all the text before you reply to
> the group?
> This saves having to view a load of already-read text and makes life
> easier, especially if you don't use the digest feature...
>

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Thu Mar 7, 2013 9:26 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Dave C" davec2468

Randy,
I can't thank you enough for the wonderful sharing of your experience and research. This is one example where most of us can't find such great information, at least not compiled in such a compact form.

It's so important to have useful information to give friends who are using Windows and spending all kinds of $$ to have their HD's protected -- and when not protected, $$ to have data recovered, reformatted, OS reinstalled. And most of them presume it's just the cost of owning a computer and are surprised when I tell them that I have no virus protection at all and haven't for decades and have only once had issue with it (one of those non-fatal bugs in OS 7, I think it was).

I am very grateful for your continued service to the Mac community with such useful information.

Thanks!

Dave Carpenter

PS, I've contemplated for a long time the reason PCs are continued to be recommended by IT departments in corporations (Google and a few recent exceptions) and to these IT guys n' gals' friends and families. It started back a decade or more ago when all the "Apple Near Death" headlines appeared everywhere (when Apple had only $1B cash in the bank...), and CIO's started panicing (spell checker doesn't like "panicing";...).

Now that the (original) Apple panic stories have been over for at least 15 years I can only guess that the continuing trend of recommending the purchase of PCs is because it keeps the IT community employed. (It's a fact (studies published several times) that Macs require less support and overall cost is lower than with PCs.)

It's a cynical view, possibly, but then I've always said: An optimist doesn't have all the facts. ;-)

What do you think, Randy?

dc

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On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:

>
> On Mar 4, 2013, at 8:56 AM, OBrien wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:18:40 -0500, T Hopkins wrote:
>>> The main reason Mac OS is "safe" is simply that it has not
>>> historically been a hacker target. There are still FAR fewer Macs∑..
>>
>> I'm no expert on this subject, but I don't think this is correct. As I understand, the Mac OS +is+ inherently more secure.
>
>
> I think that the application of just a bit of facts and logic makes the argument that there are too few Macs in existence to have been a target for hackers seem extremely silly.
>
> In 2010 there were about 94 MILLION Mac users according to
> industry sources:
> http://www.numberof.net/number%C2%A0of%C2%A0mac%C2%A0users/
> There are likely to be many more now, as the Mac has had record sales each fiscal quarter since.
> That doesn't sound like an insignificant number to me. If there were going to be a bunch of viruses for OS X based on proliferation of the Mac, they would already be here by now.
>
> Several respected Macintosh authorities have repudiated this myth:
>
> Viruses and Operating Systems
> by David Pogue (originally published in the New York Times)
> http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/08/25/25pogues-posts-4/
>
> Broken Windows
> http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/broken_windows
>
> So Witty (followup to Broken Windows)
> http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/so_witty
>
>
> The fact is that the Macintosh is inherently more secure than Windows. See:
>
> Is Windows inherently more vulnerable to malware attacks than OS X?
> http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2006/08/is_windows_inhe.html
> or
> http://is.gd/b2CCl
>
> Microsoft Windows: Insecure by Design
> http://ensign.ftlcomm.com/ensign2/mcintyre/pickofday/aug027_03/PegoraroWP.pdf
>
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Fri Mar 8, 2013 1:29 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Randy B. Singer" randybrucesinger


On Mar 7, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Dave C wrote:

> Randy,
> I can't thank you enough for the wonderful sharing of your experience and research.

My pleasure!

The malware question, especially the Mac vs. PC aspect of it, comes up all the time, so I try to keep updated on the topic. There is a lot of misinformation out there, so I like being able to point to the faces and bring some logic to the discussion.

> Dave Carpenter
>
> PS, I've contemplated for a long time the reason PCs are continued to be recommended by IT departments in corporations (Google and a few recent exceptions) and to these IT guys n' gals' friends and families. It started back a decade or more ago when all the "Apple Near Death" headlines appeared everywhere (when Apple had only $1B cash in the bank...), and CIO's started panicing (spell checker doesn't like "panicing";...).
>
> Now that the (original) Apple panic stories have been over for at least 15 years I can only guess that the continuing trend of recommending the purchase of PCs is because it keeps the IT community employed. (It's a fact (studies published several times) that Macs require less support and overall cost is lower than with PCs.)
>
> It's a cynical view, possibly, but then I've always said: An optimist doesn't have all the facts. ;-)
>
> What do you think, Randy?

Well, you may be surprised by my thoughts on this. Keep in mind that I'm an attorney, I use my Mac for business purposes, and that I've been intimately and heavily involved with the Mac law office market for decades now.

I think that to some extent that it's true that the IT community is biased against the Mac because that's what they know and they make a good living supporting Windows, so they don't want to change, but that's not the whole story. If that were the whole of it, and Macs were in every other way more desirable than Windows, competitive forces would see newly trained Mac IT folks pop up and take away all of the jobs.

The reason that you don't see a lot of Macs on grunts' desks in businesses is the same reason that fleets of business vehicles are usually stripped Chrysler cars or Fords, and not Mercedes or BMW's. That is that businesses are usually interested in the cheapest product that they can get in bulk, that will minimally meet their needs. Apple is like Mercedes and BMW in that they don't sell low-end products. They only sell high-end products of the highest quality. Apple has a reputation for quality, and they aren't about to ruin their reputation by selling cheap garbage.

Large businesses, when they go to purchase in bulk, need extremely low price, competitive bidding, multiple sourcing, and custom configuration. Apple doesn't do any of that. They have nothing to compete with cheap custom configured "white boxes" and they aren't even close to doing business that way. Apple works on high margin, not high volume. They concentrate on the home user because home users are willing to pay more for extra value. And it's hard to argue with this, as Apple makes way more money than any other computer company, despite the fact that they sell far fewer computers than any of the industry leaders.

There's more to it than that, though. Apple really doesn't understand the business markets, and whenever they have attempted to go after them (both 2.5 decades ago, and recently), they've failed miserably. While it's easy to see why Apple has missed out on fleet purchases, one wonders why there isn't a Mac on the desktop of every executive, and why there isn't a Mac in every small business everywhere. Frankly, I don't understand it either. I've worked with Apple several times to target the law office market, and what I've seen is really shocking. Apple makes the same mistakes with regard to business markets over and over, and never learns from them. They steadfastly refuse to learn. I think that by this point, because Apple has invested so much money in the past in pursuing business markets, and that has historically been such a failure for them, that they have sort of given up on doing what's necessary to figure out how to effectively address those markets.

That's a shame, because Apple would seem to be ideally situated to take over and dominate a lot of niche business markets. Apple owns Filemaker, which means that they have the tools to quickly create the perfect app for just about any vertical (i.e. specialized) market that involves retailing or the selling of personal services. (Using Filemaker you can quickly create really nice database driven apps for business purposes.) Apple could offer turn-key versions of the Mac that any small business would die for. But Apple doesn't have the soul for this.

But, ultimately, it's no big deal. Mercedes and BMW sell a tiny fraction of the cars that GM and Ford sell, yet they still make a boatload of money. Presumably, Apple is happy sticking to the market that they address, and being the most valuable company in the world. Microsoft can say that they "won" the personal computer war, and Apple can agree and laugh about it all the way to the bank.

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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)

Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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Thu Mar 7, 2013 4:27 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf

When you say "overkill";, in what way? Space?

Otto

On 7 March 2013 23:36, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is anyone burning data on Blu-Ray disks using a Blu-Ray burner in OSX?
> Or is it overkill?
>

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Thu Mar 7, 2013 6:24 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"HAL9000" jrswebhome

Do you burn to blu-ray in OSX?

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
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> When you say "overkill";, in what way? Space?
>
> Otto
>
> On 7 March 2013 23:36, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
>
> > Is anyone burning data on Blu-Ray disks using a Blu-Ray burner in OSX?
> > Or is it overkill?
> >
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Thu Mar 7, 2013 6:41 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler

I use Toast Titanium with the Blu-Ray plug-in to burn Blu-Rays. Works well,
but Blu-Ray burn speeds are not as great (yet) as DVDs. BD-RE discs are
erasable and reusable. There are different densities of Blu-Ray discs: 25
GB, 50 GB, 100 GB and 128 GB. Prices are starting to come down on media.
Most Blu-Ray burners will also burn DVD and CD media.
I don't know what you mean by "overkill";, but I have 6.5 TB of hard disk
space and to back it all up requires a good number of discs. With Blu-Ray's
larger capacities, I need fewer discs.

Jon

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:36 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> Is anyone burning data on Blu-Ray disks using a Blu-Ray burner in OSX?
> Or is it overkill?
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Thu Mar 7, 2013 7:25 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"HAL9000" jrswebhome

I have a 1TB HD and it rarely goes over 25% used. I weigh having to buy more expensive media and another burner to burn Blu-Ray. I am wondering if Double Layer/Sided, whatever, DVD external tray burner is just enough for me alone. My iMac DVD burner scars anything I put into it now. So I'm debating if buying a blu ray burner & media is overkill for me, or just buy an external dvd tray burner, where I won't have to buy any new media. I'm reading more and more complaints about slot loaded media scarring, whether it's computer or game station. No mater what I decide, it will be tray loaded.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@...> wrote:
>
> I use Toast Titanium with the Blu-Ray plug-in to burn Blu-Rays. Works well,
> but Blu-Ray burn speeds are not as great (yet) as DVDs. BD-RE discs are
> erasable and reusable. There are different densities of Blu-Ray discs: 25
> GB, 50 GB, 100 GB and 128 GB. Prices are starting to come down on media.
> Most Blu-Ray burners will also burn DVD and CD media.
> I don't know what you mean by "overkill";, but I have 6.5 TB of hard disk
> space and to back it all up requires a good number of discs. With Blu-Ray's
> larger capacities, I need fewer discs.
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:36 PM, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Is anyone burning data on Blu-Ray disks using a Blu-Ray burner in OSX?
> > Or is it overkill?
> >
> >
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Thu Mar 7, 2013 11:22 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Dave C" davec2468

I made a boot drive flash memory stick for OS X (10.6 & 10.8) and carry it on my keychain:

http://www.tinyuploads.com/images/ReI3Sp.jpg

I was surprised how small the memory sticks have become. It's now just a USB connector, nothing more!

(The one pictured is 16 GB...)

FYI,
Dave

Fri Mar 8, 2013 12:28 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Dave C" davec2468

I search for this information and see lots involving long strings entered into Terminal to make this change.

I did this a few years ago but I don't remember it being complicated. I thought it was just entering the phrase (ie, "mango" or such) and it appears as your prompt.

Is there a simple way to do this? Or am I just losing my memory...?

Thanks,
Dave

OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB

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