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Digest #8976
| 1a Re: Startup chime by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup 1b Re: Startup chime by "Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue 1c Re: Startup chime by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 1d Re: Startup chime by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180 1e Re: Startup chime by "Forrest Leedy" forrkazu 2a Re: Apple: so hot it's not by "Oneal Neumann" newalander 3.1 Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au 3.2 Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "N.A. Nada" 3.3 Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au 3.4 Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 3.5 Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 3.6 Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 3.7 Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup 3.8 Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob 4a Re: Emergency iPhone Charging Tips by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen 5a DD or anyone who willing to help by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen 5b Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 5c Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180 5d Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen 5e Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen 5f Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180 6a Re: restoring camera app on iPad2 by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 7a Mac.com question by "Terry Pogue" terrypogue_2000 7b Re: Mac.com question by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 8 Why Do I want DNS addresses on my router? by "Bill B." kernos501 |
Tue Jul 3, 2012 10:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Jul 3, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Forrest Leedy wrote:
>
> If you will note, it says that it is only good for PowerPC computers … not Intel computers.
>
> "StartupSound.
>
> That is a direct quote from the support page. Since Daly is running Lion, it will not work.
>
> I have the same problem and am looking for a solution also.
Actually, that was true for StartupSound.
<http://www5e.
"September 16, 2009
StartupSound.
Fixed compatibility issue with Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard."
Daly
Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:40 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue
Daly;
Thanks for replying on this. When I received this, I double-checked and realized that I had simply forgotten to remove the StartupSound prefpane when I installed Start Ninja http://www.allvu.com/index.php/sndownloadpage.html - which specifically states that it works with Lion.
I found it via a reference on CNET http://download.cnet.com/StartNinja/3000-18487_4-75666156.html?tag=nl.e780 which says:
"From AllVu:
Macs don't have a built-in way to mute or silence the system start up chime. If you're in a library or coffee shop you don't always want that start up chime to play. Now you can silence the Mac OS X Lion start up chime with StartNinja. It is a free and simple desktop utility that silences the start up chime and will resume previous sound level after logging in."
On Jul 3, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> On Jul 3, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
>
>> This one: http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~arcana/StartupSound/index.en.html is working well on my MBP with 10.7.4
>
> Okay, thanks. That's the very one that used to work for me then stopped. I've written to the developer.
>
> Daly
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
Thanks for replying on this. When I received this, I double-checked and realized that I had simply forgotten to remove the StartupSound prefpane when I installed Start Ninja http://www.allvu.
I found it via a reference on CNET http://download.
"From AllVu:
Macs don't have a built-in way to mute or silence the system start up chime. If you're in a library or coffee shop you don't always want that start up chime to play. Now you can silence the Mac OS X Lion start up chime with StartNinja. It is a free and simple desktop utility that silences the start up chime and will resume previous sound level after logging in."
On Jul 3, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> On Jul 3, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
>
>> This one: http://www5e.
>
> Okay, thanks. That's the very one that used to work for me then stopped. I've written to the developer.
>
> Daly
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:56 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On my PowerBook I have been in the habit of always having the volume at
minimum unless I actually needed to hear something. This meant that the
startup chime was always inaudible unless I'd needed the audio and
forgotten to reset the volume afterwards. Does this not apply to all Macs?
Otto
PowerBook G4
OS X 10.5.8
On 4 July 2012 12:40, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@drizzle.net > wrote:
> Daly;
>
> Thanks for replying on this. When I received this, I double-checked and
> realized that I had simply forgotten to remove the StartupSound prefpane
> when I installed Start Ninja
> http://www.allvu.com/index.php/sndownloadpage.html - which specifically
> states that it works with Lion.
>
> I found it via a reference on CNET
> http://download.cnet.com/StartNinja/3000-18487_4-75666156.html?tag=nl.e780which says:
>
> "From AllVu:
>
> Macs don't have a built-in way to mute or silence the system start up
> chime. If you're in a library or coffee shop you don't always want that
> start up chime to play. Now you can silence the Mac OS X Lion start up
> chime with StartNinja. It is a free and simple desktop utility that
> silences the start up chime and will resume previous sound level after
> logging in."
>
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minimum unless I actually needed to hear something. This meant that the
startup chime was always inaudible unless I'd needed the audio and
forgotten to reset the volume afterwards. Does this not apply to all Macs?
Otto
PowerBook G4
OS X 10.5.8
On 4 July 2012 12:40, Tim O'Donoghue <tjod@drizzle.
> Daly;
>
> Thanks for replying on this. When I received this, I double-checked and
> realized that I had simply forgotten to remove the StartupSound prefpane
> when I installed Start Ninja
> http://www.allvu.
> states that it works with Lion.
>
> I found it via a reference on CNET
> http://download.
>
> "From AllVu:
>
> Macs don't have a built-in way to mute or silence the system start up
> chime. If you're in a library or coffee shop you don't always want that
> start up chime to play. Now you can silence the Mac OS X Lion start up
> chime with StartNinja. It is a free and simple desktop utility that
> silences the start up chime and will resume previous sound level after
> logging in."
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:48 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
I just restarted my MacPro and the mute key didn't work to silence the
startup chime.
I may have aimed you in the wrong direction.
However, I have read that there is some keyboard command that will
silence the startup chime. It's one of those multi key commands but
now I can't find a reference to it.
I'll try to find one of my keyboard commands lists and check it.
Denver Dan
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:54:59 -0700, Daly Jessup wrote:
> On Jul 3, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 3, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
>>
>>> This one:
>>> http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~arcana/StartupSound/index.en.html is
>>> working well on my MBP with 10.7.4
>>
>> Okay, thanks. That's the very one that used to work for me then
>> stopped. I've written to the developer.
>
> By the way, commenting on my own post, thank goodness I read his web
> site before I sent the message to him. The web site clearly says it
> is not Lion compatible. I know it worked for me under Lion at first,
> but something broke it on my system. I do hope he continues
> development.
>
> I have also tried one called Startup Chime Stopper.app. And another
> called PSSST. None of them works for me. At least PSSST is asking
> people to send their computer configuration and a notice as to
> whether it works for them.
>
> Anyway, if anyone knows a secret way to turn off that chime, I would
> sure like to know about it. My own configuration is below my
> signature.
>
> Daly
I just restarted my MacPro and the mute key didn't work to silence the
startup chime.
I may have aimed you in the wrong direction.
However, I have read that there is some keyboard command that will
silence the startup chime. It's one of those multi key commands but
now I can't find a reference to it.
I'll try to find one of my keyboard commands lists and check it.
Denver Dan
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:54:59 -0700, Daly Jessup wrote:
> On Jul 3, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 3, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
>>
>>> This one:
>>> http://www5e.
>>> working well on my MBP with 10.7.4
>>
>> Okay, thanks. That's the very one that used to work for me then
>> stopped. I've written to the developer.
>
> By the way, commenting on my own post, thank goodness I read his web
> site before I sent the message to him. The web site clearly says it
> is not Lion compatible. I know it worked for me under Lion at first,
> but something broke it on my system. I do hope he continues
> development.
>
> I have also tried one called Startup Chime Stopper.app. And another
> called PSSST. None of them works for me. At least PSSST is asking
> people to send their computer configuration and a notice as to
> whether it works for them.
>
> Anyway, if anyone knows a secret way to turn off that chime, I would
> sure like to know about it. My own configuration is below my
> signature.
>
> Daly
Wed Jul 4, 2012 6:56 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Forrest Leedy" forrkazu
On Jul 4, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> On my PowerBook I have been in the habit of always having the volume at
> minimum unless I actually needed to hear something. This meant that the
> startup chime was always inaudible unless I'd needed the audio and
> forgotten to reset the volume afterwards. Does this not apply to all Macs?
>
> Otto
> PowerBook G4
> OS X 10.5.8
I think it does, but like you say, you have to remember to turn the volume down if for some reason you turned it up during a session. That is what was so nice about Psst in that it did turn the sound down to a point that you could live with it when you started up your computer. Frankly I do not want to turn the sound completely off like Start Ninja does.
Forrest
 iMac 27" 12,2
3.1 GHz Intel Core i5
12 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
OS 10.7.4 Lion
 MacBook 2,1
2.16 GHz Core 2 Duo
2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
OS 10.7.4 Lion
Tue Jul 3, 2012 11:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Oneal Neumann" newalander
> On 2012 July 3 (at 20:51) Oneal Neumann wrote:
>
> After years of composing on the guitar and fighting with other computer-based music programs, Foster the People's Mark Foster used Logic Pro to record and refine his band's breakthrough hit "Pumped Up Kicks," which took the radio world by storm in 2011. Foster had the entire song demoed using Logic Pro's extensive musical toolbox before he went into the production studio. Now, with each member contributing more to the process, the band is working together using Logic Pro to create its much-anticipated second album.
>
> the above from: Apple Hot News
>
> http://www.apple.
>
> I was interested in reading up on Foster the People, so I hit the link provided by Apple and it turned out to be a dud.
>
> Who'd athunk it? Oneal
Okay, so now the link works.
Please disregard. Thanx.
Oneal
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 12:26 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au
It seems to me that you are all talking about different things, which is what makes this so confusing.
You have a G4 at home with 10.5.8.
You have a MBP that will travel with 10.7.4.
You have a Drobo that has all your data and backups stored.
We appear to have people suggesting VPNs, Back To My Mac and any number of other options to provide access through the internet to your home machine.
We also have people talking about SSH, FTP Servers and ARD to gain access to the data.
A couple of questions spring to mind immediately.
How is your Drobo connected to the network? iSCSI? USB? FireWire? NIC? (Drobo FS) This connection makes a difference as to how the sharing would need to be setup.
How is your network connected to the big nasty Internet? Airport Extreme to Cable Modem? Cheap Router to ADSL? Again, these things make a difference to what options will be available to you. The main thing here that is required in the router is port forwarding. Without it, your options are very limited.
Having asked those questions, the next one is: What do you want to do when you are connected? Copy files? Stream files? Backup your MBP? Backup Your New Photos? Remote control your home Mac?
Once these questions are answered, and the above information confirmed correct, then we can look at an option for you to achieve the result you wish.
If all you want to do is remote control your home mac, then Apple's Screen Sharing (built into all Cat operating systems) should suffice. If you want to also copy files to and fro, then Screen Sharing is probably not the best option. Although it could fulfil the requirements.
The next question is level of competency. From the sound of your emails, you are an utter newbie in this area, so a step by step plan would be the simplest to implement.
If you can clearly answer the above, then I think we can get you well on the way to a solution.
Regards,
cjc
On 04/07/2012, at 12:26 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> t I will be away from home for an extended period. I do not want to travel with my Drobo (RAID). I have copied some data to an external HD, but I can imagine the nightmare of trying to merge all the changes back into the RAID, and I also keep back ups on the RAID.
>
> I wish to have access to the RAID as if I were on my home LAN. I wish to have the capabilities as if I could use Back to my Mac. BUT since the stay-at-home Mac can only run up to 10.5.8, I can not use the current Back to my Mac.
>
> The SFTP in the article that Jim suggested sounds like what I want. I just have not had time to study the article and the process. I have never used a FTP before so I have some catching up to do.
>
> Brent
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
You have a G4 at home with 10.5.8.
You have a MBP that will travel with 10.7.4.
You have a Drobo that has all your data and backups stored.
We appear to have people suggesting VPNs, Back To My Mac and any number of other options to provide access through the internet to your home machine.
We also have people talking about SSH, FTP Servers and ARD to gain access to the data.
A couple of questions spring to mind immediately.
How is your Drobo connected to the network? iSCSI? USB? FireWire? NIC? (Drobo FS) This connection makes a difference as to how the sharing would need to be setup.
How is your network connected to the big nasty Internet? Airport Extreme to Cable Modem? Cheap Router to ADSL? Again, these things make a difference to what options will be available to you. The main thing here that is required in the router is port forwarding. Without it, your options are very limited.
Having asked those questions, the next one is: What do you want to do when you are connected? Copy files? Stream files? Backup your MBP? Backup Your New Photos? Remote control your home Mac?
Once these questions are answered, and the above information confirmed correct, then we can look at an option for you to achieve the result you wish.
If all you want to do is remote control your home mac, then Apple's Screen Sharing (built into all Cat operating systems) should suffice. If you want to also copy files to and fro, then Screen Sharing is probably not the best option. Although it could fulfil the requirements.
The next question is level of competency. From the sound of your emails, you are an utter newbie in this area, so a step by step plan would be the simplest to implement.
If you can clearly answer the above, then I think we can get you well on the way to a solution.
Regards,
cjc
On 04/07/2012, at 12:26 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> t I will be away from home for an extended period. I do not want to travel with my Drobo (RAID). I have copied some data to an external HD, but I can imagine the nightmare of trying to merge all the changes back into the RAID, and I also keep back ups on the RAID.
>
> I wish to have access to the RAID as if I were on my home LAN. I wish to have the capabilities as if I could use Back to my Mac. BUT since the stay-at-home Mac can only run up to 10.5.8, I can not use the current Back to my Mac.
>
> The SFTP in the article that Jim suggested sounds like what I want. I just have not had time to study the article and the process. I have never used a FTP before so I have some catching up to do.
>
> Brent
>
>
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 1:17 am (PDT) . Posted by: "N.A. Nada"
You have the hardware and software correct, to your 4th line. The Drobo is connected by USB cable to the Airport Extreme Base Station 3rd gen. The AEBS to the modem/bridge to my cable provider, by Ethernet cable. No clue about port forwarding.
What I want to do is copy files to and from the MBP and the Drobo gen 2. I'm not a total, but a near newbie on FTP and remote access.
On my home LAN, the Drobo shows up under Shared in a Finder window, and I can just access it without having to go through another computer. I use both Screen Sharing and Connect To between the Macs, when the G4 is on. It is normally off, currently.
I believe that connecting to it from the WAN side, I will have to go through the G4 to the Drobo. This assumption could be wrong. I would have to schedule the G4 to come on daily, I guess.
On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
It seems to me that you are all talking about different things, which is what makes this so confusing.
You have a G4 at home with 10.5.8.
You have a MBP that will travel with 10.7.4.
You have a Drobo that has all your data and backups stored.
We appear to have people suggesting VPNs, Back To My Mac and any number of other options to provide access through the internet to your home machine.
We also have people talking about SSH, FTP Servers and ARD to gain access to the data.
A couple of questions spring to mind immediately.
How is your Drobo connected to the network? iSCSI? USB? FireWire? NIC? (Drobo FS) This connection makes a difference as to how the sharing would need to be setup.
How is your network connected to the big nasty Internet? Airport Extreme to Cable Modem? Cheap Router to ADSL? Again, these things make a difference to what options will be available to you. The main thing here that is required in the router is port forwarding. Without it, your options are very limited.
Having asked those questions, the next one is: What do you want to do when you are connected? Copy files? Stream files? Backup your MBP? Backup Your New Photos? Remote control your home Mac?
Once these questions are answered, and the above information confirmed correct, then we can look at an option for you to achieve the result you wish.
If all you want to do is remote control your home mac, then Apple's Screen Sharing (built into all Cat operating systems) should suffice. If you want to also copy files to and fro, then Screen Sharing is probably not the best option. Although it could fulfil the requirements.
The next question is level of competency. From the sound of your emails, you are an utter newbie in this area, so a step by step plan would be the simplest to implement.
If you can clearly answer the above, then I think we can get you well on the way to a solution.
Regards,
cjc
On 04/07/2012, at 12:26 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> t I will be away from home for an extended period. I do not want to travel with my Drobo (RAID). I have copied some data to an external HD, but I can imagine the nightmare of trying to merge all the changes back into the RAID, and I also keep back ups on the RAID.
>
> I wish to have access to the RAID as if I were on my home LAN. I wish to have the capabilities as if I could use Back to my Mac. BUT since the stay-at-home Mac can only run up to 10.5.8, I can not use the current Back to my Mac.
>
> The SFTP in the article that Jim suggested sounds like what I want. I just have not had time to study the article and the process. I have never used a FTP before so I have some catching up to do.
>
> Brent
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
What I want to do is copy files to and from the MBP and the Drobo gen 2. I'm not a total, but a near newbie on FTP and remote access.
On my home LAN, the Drobo shows up under Shared in a Finder window, and I can just access it without having to go through another computer. I use both Screen Sharing and Connect To between the Macs, when the G4 is on. It is normally off, currently.
I believe that connecting to it from the WAN side, I will have to go through the G4 to the Drobo. This assumption could be wrong. I would have to schedule the G4 to come on daily, I guess.
On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
It seems to me that you are all talking about different things, which is what makes this so confusing.
You have a G4 at home with 10.5.8.
You have a MBP that will travel with 10.7.4.
You have a Drobo that has all your data and backups stored.
We appear to have people suggesting VPNs, Back To My Mac and any number of other options to provide access through the internet to your home machine.
We also have people talking about SSH, FTP Servers and ARD to gain access to the data.
A couple of questions spring to mind immediately.
How is your Drobo connected to the network? iSCSI? USB? FireWire? NIC? (Drobo FS) This connection makes a difference as to how the sharing would need to be setup.
How is your network connected to the big nasty Internet? Airport Extreme to Cable Modem? Cheap Router to ADSL? Again, these things make a difference to what options will be available to you. The main thing here that is required in the router is port forwarding. Without it, your options are very limited.
Having asked those questions, the next one is: What do you want to do when you are connected? Copy files? Stream files? Backup your MBP? Backup Your New Photos? Remote control your home Mac?
Once these questions are answered, and the above information confirmed correct, then we can look at an option for you to achieve the result you wish.
If all you want to do is remote control your home mac, then Apple's Screen Sharing (built into all Cat operating systems) should suffice. If you want to also copy files to and fro, then Screen Sharing is probably not the best option. Although it could fulfil the requirements.
The next question is level of competency. From the sound of your emails, you are an utter newbie in this area, so a step by step plan would be the simplest to implement.
If you can clearly answer the above, then I think we can get you well on the way to a solution.
Regards,
cjc
On 04/07/2012, at 12:26 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> t I will be away from home for an extended period. I do not want to travel with my Drobo (RAID). I have copied some data to an external HD, but I can imagine the nightmare of trying to merge all the changes back into the RAID, and I also keep back ups on the RAID.
>
> I wish to have access to the RAID as if I were on my home LAN. I wish to have the capabilities as if I could use Back to my Mac. BUT since the stay-at-home Mac can only run up to 10.5.8, I can not use the current Back to my Mac.
>
> The SFTP in the article that Jim suggested sounds like what I want. I just have not had time to study the article and the process. I have never used a FTP before so I have some catching up to do.
>
> Brent
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Jul 4, 2012 2:56 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au
OK. so we now know that the AEBS is providing the sharing of the Drobo to the network.
So the Drobo will have it's own share name.
So all we really need to do is get you to the cable modem (model # please?) then to the AEBS and you should have access to the Drobo.
No need for the G4 at all.
Here are a couple of links that will guide you through the setup to make it all happen.
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3413 (3 different methods)
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You sure can access your AEBS Disk from outside your local LAN.
Was using it for that exact method before the MobileMe integration. Follow these instructions
1. Start the Airport Utility.
2. Select your Time Capsule or AEBS. Make a note of the IP Address shown on the right -- you will need it later.
3. Click Manual Setup.
4. Check your "Connection Sharing" setting under the Internet Tab. The following tutorial is valid if your "Connection Sharing" is to "Share a public IP address", the normal setup for a home network. You will need to have a static IP address, or use a free dynamic DNS service. If you have a different type of "Connection Sharing," you probably don't need a tutorial to set up remote access to your disk; adapt this one as needed.
5. Click Disks (at the top of the dialog box), and then click File Sharing.
6. Select (check) the "Enable file sharing" checkbox and the "Share disks over Ethernet WAN port" checkbox. It is strongly recommended that you also set Secure Shared Disks to "With base station password" and Guest Access to "Not allowed"; not making these changes may allow unauthorized users to access your Time Capsule/AEBS hard drive.
7. Click Airport (at the top of the dialog box), and then click Base Station.
8. Enter a Base Station Password and verify it in the Verify Password box.
9. Click Advanced (at the top of the dialog box), and then click Port Mapping.
10. Click the plus sign (+) to add a new port mapping.
11. In the Public UDP Port(s) and Public TCP Port(s) boxes, type in a 4-digit port number (e.g., 5678) that you choose. In the Private IP Address box, type the internal IP address of your Time Capsule or AEBS that you wrote down in step 2 (for example, 192.168.0.1). In the Private UDP Port(s) and Private TCP Port(s) boxes, type 548. Click Continue.
12. In the Description box, type a descriptive name like "Time Capsule File Sharing" or "AEBS File Sharing". Then, click Done.
13. When you have made all changes, click Update.
To connect to the share remotely follow these instructions
1. In the Finder, click Go > Connect to Server.
2. Type in the correct domain name or external IP address for your network, plus a colon and the port number you specified in step 11. For example, "www.myhomedomain.com:5678" or "123.123.12.123:5678".
3. Click Connect.
4. You will be prompted for your user name and password. The user name can be anything you like; the password should be the password for the Time Capsule/AEBS which you specified above.
Click Connect.
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Both of the above seem to provide you with all the information that you should need to get access to your Drobo from outside your local LAN.
Hope this all helps??
cjc
On 04/07/2012, at 6:17 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> You have the hardware and software correct, to your 4th line. The Drobo is connected by USB cable to the Airport Extreme Base Station 3rd gen. The AEBS to the modem/bridge to my cable provider, by Ethernet cable. No clue about port forwarding.
>
> What I want to do is copy files to and from the MBP and the Drobo gen 2. I'm not a total, but a near newbie on FTP and remote access.
>
> On my home LAN, the Drobo shows up under Shared in a Finder window, and I can just access it without having to go through another computer. I use both Screen Sharing and Connect To between the Macs, when the G4 is on. It is normally off, currently.
>
> I believe that connecting to it from the WAN side, I will have to go through the G4 to the Drobo. This assumption could be wrong. I would have to schedule the G4 to come on daily, I guess.
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
>
> It seems to me that you are all talking about different things, which is what makes this so confusing.
>
> You have a G4 at home with 10.5.8.
>
> You have a MBP that will travel with 10.7.4.
>
> You have a Drobo that has all your data and backups stored.
>
> We appear to have people suggesting VPNs, Back To My Mac and any number of other options to provide access through the internet to your home machine.
>
> We also have people talking about SSH, FTP Servers and ARD to gain access to the data.
>
> A couple of questions spring to mind immediately.
>
> How is your Drobo connected to the network? iSCSI? USB? FireWire? NIC? (Drobo FS) This connection makes a difference as to how the sharing would need to be setup.
>
> How is your network connected to the big nasty Internet? Airport Extreme to Cable Modem? Cheap Router to ADSL? Again, these things make a difference to what options will be available to you. The main thing here that is required in the router is port forwarding. Without it, your options are very limited.
>
> Having asked those questions, the next one is: What do you want to do when you are connected? Copy files? Stream files? Backup your MBP? Backup Your New Photos? Remote control your home Mac?
>
> Once these questions are answered, and the above information confirmed correct, then we can look at an option for you to achieve the result you wish.
>
> If all you want to do is remote control your home mac, then Apple's Screen Sharing (built into all Cat operating systems) should suffice. If you want to also copy files to and fro, then Screen Sharing is probably not the best option. Although it could fulfil the requirements.
>
> The next question is level of competency. From the sound of your emails, you are an utter newbie in this area, so a step by step plan would be the simplest to implement.
>
> If you can clearly answer the above, then I think we can get you well on the way to a solution.
>
> Regards,
>
> cjc
>
> On 04/07/2012, at 12:26 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
>
>> t I will be away from home for an extended period. I do not want to travel with my Drobo (RAID). I have copied some data to an external HD, but I can imagine the nightmare of trying to merge all the changes back into the RAID, and I also keep back ups on the RAID.
>>
>> I wish to have access to the RAID as if I were on my home LAN. I wish to have the capabilities as if I could use Back to my Mac. BUT since the stay-at-home Mac can only run up to 10.5.8, I can not use the current Back to my Mac.
>>
>> The SFTP in the article that Jim suggested sounds like what I want. I just have not had time to study the article and the process. I have never used a FTP before so I have some catching up to do.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>
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>
>
>
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So the Drobo will have it's own share name.
So all we really need to do is get you to the cable modem (model # please?) then to the AEBS and you should have access to the Drobo.
No need for the G4 at all.
Here are a couple of links that will guide you through the setup to make it all happen.
https://discussions
------------
You sure can access your AEBS Disk from outside your local LAN.
Was using it for that exact method before the MobileMe integration. Follow these instructions
1. Start the Airport Utility.
2. Select your Time Capsule or AEBS. Make a note of the IP Address shown on the right -- you will need it later.
3. Click Manual Setup.
4. Check your "Connection Sharing" setting under the Internet Tab. The following tutorial is valid if your "Connection Sharing" is to "Share a public IP address", the normal setup for a home network. You will need to have a static IP address, or use a free dynamic DNS service. If you have a different type of "Connection Sharing," you probably don't need a tutorial to set up remote access to your disk; adapt this one as needed.
5. Click Disks (at the top of the dialog box), and then click File Sharing.
6. Select (check) the "Enable file sharing" checkbox and the "Share disks over Ethernet WAN port" checkbox. It is strongly recommended that you also set Secure Shared Disks to "With base station password" and Guest Access to "Not allowed"; not making these changes may allow unauthorized users to access your Time Capsule/AEBS hard drive.
7. Click Airport (at the top of the dialog box), and then click Base Station.
8. Enter a Base Station Password and verify it in the Verify Password box.
9. Click Advanced (at the top of the dialog box), and then click Port Mapping.
10. Click the plus sign (+) to add a new port mapping.
11. In the Public UDP Port(s) and Public TCP Port(s) boxes, type in a 4-digit port number (e.g., 5678) that you choose. In the Private IP Address box, type the internal IP address of your Time Capsule or AEBS that you wrote down in step 2 (for example, 192.168.0.1)
12. In the Description box, type a descriptive name like "Time Capsule File Sharing" or "AEBS File Sharing". Then, click Done.
13. When you have made all changes, click Update.
To connect to the share remotely follow these instructions
1. In the Finder, click Go > Connect to Server.
2. Type in the correct domain name or external IP address for your network, plus a colon and the port number you specified in step 11. For example, "www.myhomedomain.
3. Click Connect.
4. You will be prompted for your user name and password. The user name can be anything you like; the password should be the password for the Time Capsule/AEBS which you specified above.
Click Connect.
------------
Both of the above seem to provide you with all the information that you should need to get access to your Drobo from outside your local LAN.
Hope this all helps??
cjc
On 04/07/2012, at 6:17 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> You have the hardware and software correct, to your 4th line. The Drobo is connected by USB cable to the Airport Extreme Base Station 3rd gen. The AEBS to the modem/bridge to my cable provider, by Ethernet cable. No clue about port forwarding.
>
> What I want to do is copy files to and from the MBP and the Drobo gen 2. I'm not a total, but a near newbie on FTP and remote access.
>
> On my home LAN, the Drobo shows up under Shared in a Finder window, and I can just access it without having to go through another computer. I use both Screen Sharing and Connect To between the Macs, when the G4 is on. It is normally off, currently.
>
> I believe that connecting to it from the WAN side, I will have to go through the G4 to the Drobo. This assumption could be wrong. I would have to schedule the G4 to come on daily, I guess.
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
>
> It seems to me that you are all talking about different things, which is what makes this so confusing.
>
> You have a G4 at home with 10.5.8.
>
> You have a MBP that will travel with 10.7.4.
>
> You have a Drobo that has all your data and backups stored.
>
> We appear to have people suggesting VPNs, Back To My Mac and any number of other options to provide access through the internet to your home machine.
>
> We also have people talking about SSH, FTP Servers and ARD to gain access to the data.
>
> A couple of questions spring to mind immediately.
>
> How is your Drobo connected to the network? iSCSI? USB? FireWire? NIC? (Drobo FS) This connection makes a difference as to how the sharing would need to be setup.
>
> How is your network connected to the big nasty Internet? Airport Extreme to Cable Modem? Cheap Router to ADSL? Again, these things make a difference to what options will be available to you. The main thing here that is required in the router is port forwarding. Without it, your options are very limited.
>
> Having asked those questions, the next one is: What do you want to do when you are connected? Copy files? Stream files? Backup your MBP? Backup Your New Photos? Remote control your home Mac?
>
> Once these questions are answered, and the above information confirmed correct, then we can look at an option for you to achieve the result you wish.
>
> If all you want to do is remote control your home mac, then Apple's Screen Sharing (built into all Cat operating systems) should suffice. If you want to also copy files to and fro, then Screen Sharing is probably not the best option. Although it could fulfil the requirements.
>
> The next question is level of competency. From the sound of your emails, you are an utter newbie in this area, so a step by step plan would be the simplest to implement.
>
> If you can clearly answer the above, then I think we can get you well on the way to a solution.
>
> Regards,
>
> cjc
>
> On 04/07/2012, at 12:26 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
>
>> t I will be away from home for an extended period. I do not want to travel with my Drobo (RAID). I have copied some data to an external HD, but I can imagine the nightmare of trying to merge all the changes back into the RAID, and I also keep back ups on the RAID.
>>
>> I wish to have access to the RAID as if I were on my home LAN. I wish to have the capabilities as if I could use Back to my Mac. BUT since the stay-at-home Mac can only run up to 10.5.8, I can not use the current Back to my Mac.
>>
>> The SFTP in the article that Jim suggested sounds like what I want. I just have not had time to study the article and the process. I have never used a FTP before so I have some catching up to do.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>
>
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> Group FAQ:
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:40 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 4 July 2012 02:17, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com > wrote:
>
> How do you do that? How would he do screen sharing from a MPB back to a G4
> at home? And how do you do Remote Management? I'm not challenging what you
> said. I'm extxremely interested in knowing how that would be done, as I
> want to do it myself.
>
I confess I have done these only at home over the LAN!
My idea is that, to do them over a WAN requires 3 additional things: a
static IP or dynamic DNS; port-forwarding; and opening relevant ports in
the firewall.
I'll have to see how I can try this out ...
Otto
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>
> How do you do that? How would he do screen sharing from a MPB back to a G4
> at home? And how do you do Remote Management? I'm not challenging what you
> said. I'm extxremely interested in knowing how that would be done, as I
> want to do it myself.
>
I confess I have done these only at home over the LAN!
My idea is that, to do them over a WAN requires 3 additional things: a
static IP or dynamic DNS; port-forwarding; and opening relevant ports in
the firewall.
I'll have to see how I can try this out ...
Otto
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 6:43 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
This bit's easy, at home at least. Note usual disclaimer about OS X
versions.
System Preferences > Sharing > File Sharing. You choose which folders are
to be available and which users can access them. <Options> allows any of
AFP, FTP, or SMB.
There's no built-in FTP client but there are free ones like CyberDuck or
you can use the ftp command in Terminal.
Otto
On 4 July 2012 03:35, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> Daly, I have never created a FTP server, so I have to learn that. I think
> we are talking the same thing, but I am lost in this area. It might be easy
> for you, but not for me, since I have never done it before or read up on it
> before.
>
> That and my KIS(Sam) policy. The fewer the apps needed the better.
>
> The article that Jim suggested, describes it in enough detail for me to
> use that as a start and do web searches from there to learn it.
>
> Because I am trying to go between 10.7 and 10.5, there are problems using
> Back to my Mac in its current state. And I did convert my MobileMe account
> over to iCloud, so the ports may not be available. (I hate it when Apple
> over uses a name and confuses conversation.)
>
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versions.
System Preferences > Sharing > File Sharing. You choose which folders are
to be available and which users can access them. <Options> allows any of
AFP, FTP, or SMB.
There's no built-in FTP client but there are free ones like CyberDuck or
you can use the ftp command in Terminal.
Otto
On 4 July 2012 03:35, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> Daly, I have never created a FTP server, so I have to learn that. I think
> we are talking the same thing, but I am lost in this area. It might be easy
> for you, but not for me, since I have never done it before or read up on it
> before.
>
> That and my KIS(Sam) policy. The fewer the apps needed the better.
>
> The article that Jim suggested, describes it in enough detail for me to
> use that as a start and do web searches from there to learn it.
>
> Because I am trying to go between 10.7 and 10.5, there are problems using
> Back to my Mac in its current state. And I did convert my MobileMe account
> over to iCloud, so the ports may not be available. (I hate it when Apple
> over uses a name and confuses conversation.
>
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 6:50 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
I don't have an AirPort router but this looks just what's required!
Otto
On 4 July 2012 10:55, Christopher Collins <maclist@analogdigital.com.au >wrote:
> OK. so we now know that the AEBS is providing the sharing of the Drobo to
> the network.
>
> So the Drobo will have it's own share name.
>
> So all we really need to do is get you to the cable modem (model #
> please?) then to the AEBS and you should have access to the Drobo.
>
> No need for the G4 at all.
>
> Here are a couple of links that will guide you through the setup to make
> it all happen.
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3413 (3 different methods)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> You sure can access your AEBS Disk from outside your local LAN.
>
> Was using it for that exact method before the MobileMe integration. Follow
> these instructions
>
>
> 1. Start the Airport Utility.
>
> 2. Select your Time Capsule or AEBS. Make a note of the IP Address shown
> on the right -- you will need it later.
>
> 3. Click Manual Setup.
>
> 4. Check your "Connection Sharing" setting under the Internet Tab. The
> following tutorial is valid if your "Connection Sharing" is to "Share a
> public IP address", the normal setup for a home network. You will need to
> have a static IP address, or use a free dynamic DNS service. If you have a
> different type of "Connection Sharing," you probably don't need a tutorial
> to set up remote access to your disk; adapt this one as needed.
>
> 5. Click Disks (at the top of the dialog box), and then click File Sharing.
>
> 6. Select (check) the "Enable file sharing" checkbox and the "Share disks
> over Ethernet WAN port" checkbox. It is strongly recommended that you also
> set Secure Shared Disks to "With base station password" and Guest Access to
> "Not allowed"; not making these changes may allow unauthorized users to
> access your Time Capsule/AEBS hard drive.
>
> 7. Click Airport (at the top of the dialog box), and then click Base
> Station.
>
> 8. Enter a Base Station Password and verify it in the Verify Password box.
>
> 9. Click Advanced (at the top of the dialog box), and then click Port
> Mapping.
>
> 10. Click the plus sign (+) to add a new port mapping.
>
> 11. In the Public UDP Port(s) and Public TCP Port(s) boxes, type in a
> 4-digit port number (e.g., 5678) that you choose. In the Private IP Address
> box, type the internal IP address of your Time Capsule or AEBS that you
> wrote down in step 2 (for example, 192.168.0.1). In the Private UDP Port(s)
> and Private TCP Port(s) boxes, type 548. Click Continue.
>
> 12. In the Description box, type a descriptive name like "Time Capsule
> File Sharing" or "AEBS File Sharing". Then, click Done.
>
> 13. When you have made all changes, click Update.
>
>
> To connect to the share remotely follow these instructions
>
> 1. In the Finder, click Go > Connect to Server.
> 2. Type in the correct domain name or external IP address for your
> network, plus a colon and the port number you specified in step 11. For
> example, "www.myhomedomain.com:5678" or "123.123.12.123:5678".
> 3. Click Connect.
> 4. You will be prompted for your user name and password. The user name can
> be anything you like; the password should be the password for the Time
> Capsule/AEBS which you specified above.
> Click Connect.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Both of the above seem to provide you with all the information that you
> should need to get access to your Drobo from outside your local LAN.
>
> Hope this all helps??
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Otto
On 4 July 2012 10:55, Christopher Collins <maclist@analogdigit
> OK. so we now know that the AEBS is providing the sharing of the Drobo to
> the network.
>
> So the Drobo will have it's own share name.
>
> So all we really need to do is get you to the cable modem (model #
> please?) then to the AEBS and you should have access to the Drobo.
>
> No need for the G4 at all.
>
> Here are a couple of links that will guide you through the setup to make
> it all happen.
>
> https://discussions
>
>
> ------------
> You sure can access your AEBS Disk from outside your local LAN.
>
> Was using it for that exact method before the MobileMe integration. Follow
> these instructions
>
>
> 1. Start the Airport Utility.
>
> 2. Select your Time Capsule or AEBS. Make a note of the IP Address shown
> on the right -- you will need it later.
>
> 3. Click Manual Setup.
>
> 4. Check your "Connection Sharing" setting under the Internet Tab. The
> following tutorial is valid if your "Connection Sharing" is to "Share a
> public IP address", the normal setup for a home network. You will need to
> have a static IP address, or use a free dynamic DNS service. If you have a
> different type of "Connection Sharing," you probably don't need a tutorial
> to set up remote access to your disk; adapt this one as needed.
>
> 5. Click Disks (at the top of the dialog box), and then click File Sharing.
>
> 6. Select (check) the "Enable file sharing" checkbox and the "Share disks
> over Ethernet WAN port" checkbox. It is strongly recommended that you also
> set Secure Shared Disks to "With base station password" and Guest Access to
> "Not allowed"; not making these changes may allow unauthorized users to
> access your Time Capsule/AEBS hard drive.
>
> 7. Click Airport (at the top of the dialog box), and then click Base
> Station.
>
> 8. Enter a Base Station Password and verify it in the Verify Password box.
>
> 9. Click Advanced (at the top of the dialog box), and then click Port
> Mapping.
>
> 10. Click the plus sign (+) to add a new port mapping.
>
> 11. In the Public UDP Port(s) and Public TCP Port(s) boxes, type in a
> 4-digit port number (e.g., 5678) that you choose. In the Private IP Address
> box, type the internal IP address of your Time Capsule or AEBS that you
> wrote down in step 2 (for example, 192.168.0.1)
> and Private TCP Port(s) boxes, type 548. Click Continue.
>
> 12. In the Description box, type a descriptive name like "Time Capsule
> File Sharing" or "AEBS File Sharing". Then, click Done.
>
> 13. When you have made all changes, click Update.
>
>
> To connect to the share remotely follow these instructions
>
> 1. In the Finder, click Go > Connect to Server.
> 2. Type in the correct domain name or external IP address for your
> network, plus a colon and the port number you specified in step 11. For
> example, "www.myhomedomain.
> 3. Click Connect.
> 4. You will be prompted for your user name and password. The user name can
> be anything you like; the password should be the password for the Time
> Capsule/AEBS which you specified above.
> Click Connect.
>
>
> ------------
>
> Both of the above seem to provide you with all the information that you
> should need to get access to your Drobo from outside your local LAN.
>
> Hope this all helps??
>
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 7:12 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
> If all you want to do is remote control your home mac, then Apple's Screen Sharing (built into all Cat operating systems) should suffice. If you want to also copy files to and fro, then Screen Sharing is probably not the best option. Although it could fulfil the requirements.
Your list of questions was really excellent. You did make this one comment that got my attention. My "understanding" is that screen sharing only works among computers on the same network, not from a remote computer on a different network. Wouldn't you have to do VPN to put yourself on the same network to get Screen Sharing to work?
Daly
Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:10 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
Hi,
On 4 Jul 2012, at 3:12pm, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
>
>> If all you want to do is remote control your home mac, then Apple's Screen Sharing (built into all Cat operating systems) should suffice. If you want to also copy files to and fro, then Screen Sharing is probably not the best option. Although it could fulfil the requirements.
>
> Your list of questions was really excellent. You did make this one comment that got my attention. My "understanding" is that screen sharing only works among computers on the same network, not from a remote computer on a different network. Wouldn't you have to do VPN to put yourself on the same network to get Screen Sharing to work?
No, VNC (which is all screen sharing is underneath) works just fine over a WAN. All you need to know is the IP address of the machine you wish to connect to. Now, if the machine you want to connect to is behind a firewall, on a private LAN, then you might need to VPN (or something similar, such as ssh) to get access, but thats nothing specific to VNC.
Chris
>
> Daly
>
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On 4 Jul 2012, at 3:12pm, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
>
>> If all you want to do is remote control your home mac, then Apple's Screen Sharing (built into all Cat operating systems) should suffice. If you want to also copy files to and fro, then Screen Sharing is probably not the best option. Although it could fulfil the requirements.
>
> Your list of questions was really excellent. You did make this one comment that got my attention. My "understanding" is that screen sharing only works among computers on the same network, not from a remote computer on a different network. Wouldn't you have to do VPN to put yourself on the same network to get Screen Sharing to work?
No, VNC (which is all screen sharing is underneath) works just fine over a WAN. All you need to know is the IP address of the machine you wish to connect to. Now, if the machine you want to connect to is behind a firewall, on a private LAN, then you might need to VPN (or something similar, such as ssh) to get access, but thats nothing specific to VNC.
Chris
>
> Daly
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 1:09 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
i thought that was mine. but my double USB is called Shoksie or
something like that.
my iPhone charger has a long coiled wire (for using as a GPS).
works fine. the other? i don't even know why i have it there any more.
ha.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 1, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Is it this? Very compact design that has standard USB ports so it
> can be
> used with many cables/products. Look for
> *Griffin GC23110 PowerJolt Micro Dual USB Charger for iPhone and iPod*
> *
> *
> *Otto
> *
> On 1 July 2012 21:13, Dave Sherlock <dsherlock.geo@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>> I picked up a Griffin dual car charger at the Apple store last
>> weekend to
>> replace a different brand that had failed. It has 2 USB ports that
>> get 10w
>> each and comes with one USB cable with a 30 pin connector. Gave it
>> a couple
>> of test runs to be sure it works and it does.
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
>
something like that.
my iPhone charger has a long coiled wire (for using as a GPS).
works fine. the other? i don't even know why i have it there any more.
ha.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 1, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Is it this? Very compact design that has standard USB ports so it
> can be
> used with many cables/products. Look for
> *Griffin GC23110 PowerJolt Micro Dual USB Charger for iPhone and iPod*
> *
> *
> *Otto
> *
> On 1 July 2012 21:13, Dave Sherlock <dsherlock.geo@
>
>> Dan,
>> I picked up a Griffin dual car charger at the Apple store last
>> weekend to
>> replace a different brand that had failed. It has 2 USB ports that
>> get 10w
>> each and comes with one USB cable with a 30 pin connector. Gave it
>> a couple
>> of test runs to be sure it works and it does.
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:32 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
since i am splurging on my 27" iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
to dump my Sony
CRT for a LG 22" (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
fantasized on getting
a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
is it worth it?
i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
photography is a close second
to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be much
appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
seems significant. of course, in the real world....
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
to dump my Sony
CRT for a LG 22" (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
fantasized on getting
a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
is it worth it?
i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
photography is a close second
to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be much
appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
seems significant. of course, in the real world....
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
Wed Jul 4, 2012 7:08 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Doug,
I'm not sure what you want. If you want to connect a new display to your
iMac, then eSATA won't do it.
AFAIK eSATA is only for connecting external drives. Theoretical speeds are
one thing but in practice Dan (Mac Pro) found:-
eSATA 52 MB/s
FW800 39 MB/s
FW400 31 MB/s
USB 2 25 MB/s
MB = megabytes; x8 for Mb (megabits)
IMO the gain over FW800 is not worth the cost of replacing your external
drives.
Otto
On 4 July 2012 11:29, Douglas Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net > wrote:
> since i am splurging on my 27" iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
> striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
> to dump my Sony
> CRT for a LG 22" (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
> Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
> fantasized on getting
> a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
> much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
>
> is it worth it?
> i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
> really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
> photography is a close second
> to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
> adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
>
> thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be much
> appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
> with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
> seems significant. of course, in the real world....
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I'm not sure what you want. If you want to connect a new display to your
iMac, then eSATA won't do it.
AFAIK eSATA is only for connecting external drives. Theoretical speeds are
one thing but in practice Dan (Mac Pro) found:-
eSATA 52 MB/s
FW800 39 MB/s
FW400 31 MB/s
USB 2 25 MB/s
MB = megabytes; x8 for Mb (megabits)
IMO the gain over FW800 is not worth the cost of replacing your external
drives.
Otto
On 4 July 2012 11:29, Douglas Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
> since i am splurging on my 27" iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
> striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
> to dump my Sony
> CRT for a LG 22" (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
> Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
> fantasized on getting
> a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
> much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
>
> is it worth it?
> i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
> really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
> photography is a close second
> to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
> adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
>
> thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be much
> appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
> with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
> seems significant. of course, in the real world....
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Wed Jul 4, 2012 7:55 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Doug, eSATA is a technology for connecting SATA type hard drives to
your computer via an eSATA cable from an external drive box.
The "e" in eSATA stands for "external."
All recent Macs with a hard drive have a type of drive with SATA data
connection socket and a smaller electric cable socket.
SATA is plug n play technology.
To have an eSATA port you have to add a PCIe eSATA card. An iMac is a
consumer model and doesn't have PCIe expansion slots.
eSATA data transfer speed is nicely faster than FireWire 800 but eSATA
also has some important limits and a big "gotcha" that is often missed
when people jump in and buy an eSATA PCIe card (like me at first!).
-eSATA cables have to be short.
-eSATA can't be daisy chained without another gadget.
-eSATA has an optional technology called "port multiplier" that is
important to understand BEFORE buying the equipment.
-eSATA PCIe cards have to have a driver and the driver has to be
updated to work with different versions of Mac OS X.
Port multiplier, if the PCIe card has it, means you can connect a
multiple drive device to one eSATA port. Without port multiplier
present in the card it's one eSATA drive connected to one eSATA port.
Driver has to be up to date. This is critical and you have to check
with the maker before buying that the driver is compatible with your
version of Mac OS X.
I'm now on my 3rd PCIe eSATA card because of these issues I just
listed.
The first one was from SIIG and they refused to update their SIIG
driver for Snow Leopard so the card was useless with Snow Leopard.
The second card made by SeriTek is doing fine in Snow Leopard and also
Lion but while it has two eSATA ports it doesn't have port multiplier.
I just bought a 3rd PCIe eSATA card made by Sans Digital and it's a
piece of crap and after many swaps of emails with Sans Digital tech
support I'm sending the card back for full refund. BEFORE I bought the
Sans Digital card I sent their customer tech support a message asking
for their recommendation specifically for a card with port multiplier
that was compatible with Lion. They said the card I later bought was
compatible. It's not. I don't know what the issue is. Tech Support
was confused on driver versions, confused on what and how to install
the driver, and it turns out that the device I'm trying to connect to
the Sans Digital card (a Sans Digital quad drive box) won't even keep
the power on when connected to their own brand PCIe card.
The Sans Digital MobileStore quad drive case has worked pretty well on
USB but it's slow of course.
A final rant is that the MobilStore device suffers from a hideously bad
case of Japanese-Bad-Design-Catastrophe. The buttons on the front of
the drive case and tiny tiny tiny. The labels for the buttons are tiny
tiny tiny. The one page instructions sheet buttons label diagram is
tiny tiny tiny. The printed instructions are so limited as to be
nearly worthless.
I have to use a magnifying glass and a strong light to read the button
labels. The damn MobileStore case has an Interface button you have to
push to change from USB to eSATA. Doesn't work with their own eSATA
card.
(Stick with my kiddo. I'm on a real roll here.)
The Sans Digital eSATA card turned out to have an unlabeled jumper on
it that you have to change to change the card from RAID configuration
to JBOD configuration. This jumper is not mentioned in any piece of
information and the first try by their tech support used the wrong
terminology for the jumper.
Rant over. Card being returned tomorrow for refund. AVOID SANS
DIGITAL if you want products that have rational tech support and that
don't require a magnifying glass to use.
I'll look for a SeriTek 4 port eSATA card with port multiplier.
They've done a pretty good job with the product I already have from
them.
Denver Dan
p.s. Many years ago when I was VERY young I drove my MG1100 saloon
(saloon???, swinging bar doors and all) from London to Paris on July
3rd. Going past Canterbury toward Dover I was listening to Radio
Caroline from the radio pirate ship anchored in international waters in
the North Sea I think. The DJ intoned in a very solemn voice, "Ladies
and Gentlemen. Tomorrow, July 4th, is that day in history when the
United States of America lost its dependence on England." I sat their
completely shocked at the concept and then nearly wrecked the car
laughing.
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 03:29:54 -0700, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
> since i am splurging on my 27¡ iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
> striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
> to dump my Sony
> CRT for a LG 22¡ (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
> Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
> fantasized on getting
> a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
> much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
>
> is it worth it?
> i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
> really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
> photography is a close second
> to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
> adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
>
> thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be much
> appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
> with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
> seems significant. of course, in the real world....
>
>
> doug
Doug, eSATA is a technology for connecting SATA type hard drives to
your computer via an eSATA cable from an external drive box.
The "e" in eSATA stands for "external."
All recent Macs with a hard drive have a type of drive with SATA data
connection socket and a smaller electric cable socket.
SATA is plug n play technology.
To have an eSATA port you have to add a PCIe eSATA card. An iMac is a
consumer model and doesn't have PCIe expansion slots.
eSATA data transfer speed is nicely faster than FireWire 800 but eSATA
also has some important limits and a big "gotcha" that is often missed
when people jump in and buy an eSATA PCIe card (like me at first!).
-eSATA cables have to be short.
-eSATA can't be daisy chained without another gadget.
-eSATA has an optional technology called "port multiplier" that is
important to understand BEFORE buying the equipment.
-eSATA PCIe cards have to have a driver and the driver has to be
updated to work with different versions of Mac OS X.
Port multiplier, if the PCIe card has it, means you can connect a
multiple drive device to one eSATA port. Without port multiplier
present in the card it's one eSATA drive connected to one eSATA port.
Driver has to be up to date. This is critical and you have to check
with the maker before buying that the driver is compatible with your
version of Mac OS X.
I'm now on my 3rd PCIe eSATA card because of these issues I just
listed.
The first one was from SIIG and they refused to update their SIIG
driver for Snow Leopard so the card was useless with Snow Leopard.
The second card made by SeriTek is doing fine in Snow Leopard and also
Lion but while it has two eSATA ports it doesn't have port multiplier.
I just bought a 3rd PCIe eSATA card made by Sans Digital and it's a
piece of crap and after many swaps of emails with Sans Digital tech
support I'm sending the card back for full refund. BEFORE I bought the
Sans Digital card I sent their customer tech support a message asking
for their recommendation specifically for a card with port multiplier
that was compatible with Lion. They said the card I later bought was
compatible. It's not. I don't know what the issue is. Tech Support
was confused on driver versions, confused on what and how to install
the driver, and it turns out that the device I'm trying to connect to
the Sans Digital card (a Sans Digital quad drive box) won't even keep
the power on when connected to their own brand PCIe card.
The Sans Digital MobileStore quad drive case has worked pretty well on
USB but it's slow of course.
A final rant is that the MobilStore device suffers from a hideously bad
case of Japanese-Bad-
the drive case and tiny tiny tiny. The labels for the buttons are tiny
tiny tiny. The one page instructions sheet buttons label diagram is
tiny tiny tiny. The printed instructions are so limited as to be
nearly worthless.
I have to use a magnifying glass and a strong light to read the button
labels. The damn MobileStore case has an Interface button you have to
push to change from USB to eSATA. Doesn't work with their own eSATA
card.
(Stick with my kiddo. I'm on a real roll here.)
The Sans Digital eSATA card turned out to have an unlabeled jumper on
it that you have to change to change the card from RAID configuration
to JBOD configuration. This jumper is not mentioned in any piece of
information and the first try by their tech support used the wrong
terminology for the jumper.
Rant over. Card being returned tomorrow for refund. AVOID SANS
DIGITAL if you want products that have rational tech support and that
don't require a magnifying glass to use.
I'll look for a SeriTek 4 port eSATA card with port multiplier.
They've done a pretty good job with the product I already have from
them.
Denver Dan
p.s. Many years ago when I was VERY young I drove my MG1100 saloon
(saloon???, swinging bar doors and all) from London to Paris on July
3rd. Going past Canterbury toward Dover I was listening to Radio
Caroline from the radio pirate ship anchored in international waters in
the North Sea I think. The DJ intoned in a very solemn voice, "Ladies
and Gentlemen. Tomorrow, July 4th, is that day in history when the
United States of America lost its dependence on England." I sat their
completely shocked at the concept and then nearly wrecked the car
laughing.
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 03:29:54 -0700, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
> since i am splurging on my 27¡ iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
> striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
> to dump my Sony
> CRT for a LG 22¡ (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
> Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
> fantasized on getting
> a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
> much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
>
> is it worth it?
> i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
> really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
> photography is a close second
> to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
> adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
>
> thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be much
> appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
> with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
> seems significant. of course, in the real world....
>
>
> doug
Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:47 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
in what way did what i wrote lead you to suspect i had asked what you
implied?
in what world would anyone try to hook up an eSATA to a monitor port?
you must think i am even more stupid than i am.
i don̢۪t think one put for several points and one time and not confuse
the audience.
i mean i appreciate you responding. not many do any more.
also, if you will reread what i wrote, i wrote the theoretical speeds,
and said i don̢۪t know
what the real world speeds would be, for the RAID 0, not the damn new
monitor.
i think you might have started a little nip too early. but, oh, it is
quite a different time zone, isn̢۪t it?
maybe i was asking a rhetorical question, as i seem to know the answer.
or maybe i threw too much into one email.
i WAS going to ask about how to tell if i have 802.11g WiFi router or
a 802.11n,
but after this embarrassment, i will call apple.
thanks any way, i think.
or is it because it is the Fourth of July Americans are celebrating.
not me. i will take a sleeping pill to
escape the fireworks. just not fun any more. and memories? and you
guys are still P****ed that we
are no longer your cononies.
That is my humor folks. certainly not a screw you stoopid remark.
pass out the ritalin. (better than pass out the ammunition.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.
- H. L. Mencken
On Jul 4, 2012, at 7:08 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Doug,
>
> I'm not sure what you want. If you want to connect a new display to
> your
> iMac, then eSATA won't do it.
>
> AFAIK eSATA is only for connecting external drives. Theoretical
> speeds are
> one thing but in practice Dan (Mac Pro) found:-
> eSATA 52 MB/s
> FW800 39 MB/s
> FW400 31 MB/s
> USB 2 25 MB/s
>
> MB = megabytes; x8 for Mb (megabits)
>
> IMO the gain over FW800 is not worth the cost of replacing your
> external
> drives.
>
> Otto
>
> On 4 July 2012 11:29, Douglas Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net > wrote:
>
>> since i am splurging on my 27Â" iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
>> striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
>> to dump my Sony
>> CRT for a LG 22Â" (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
>> Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
>> fantasized on getting
>> a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
>> much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
>>
>> is it worth it?
>> i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
>> really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
>> photography is a close second
>> to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
>> adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
>>
>> thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be
>> much
>> appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
>> with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
>> seems significant. of course, in the real world....
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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implied?
in what world would anyone try to hook up an eSATA to a monitor port?
you must think i am even more stupid than i am.
i don̢۪t think one put for several points and one time and not confuse
the audience.
i mean i appreciate you responding. not many do any more.
also, if you will reread what i wrote, i wrote the theoretical speeds,
and said i don̢۪t know
what the real world speeds would be, for the RAID 0, not the damn new
monitor.
i think you might have started a little nip too early. but, oh, it is
quite a different time zone, isn̢۪t it?
maybe i was asking a rhetorical question, as i seem to know the answer.
or maybe i threw too much into one email.
i WAS going to ask about how to tell if i have 802.11g WiFi router or
a 802.11n,
but after this embarrassment, i will call apple.
thanks any way, i think.
or is it because it is the Fourth of July Americans are celebrating.
not me. i will take a sleeping pill to
escape the fireworks. just not fun any more. and memories? and you
guys are still P****ed that we
are no longer your cononies.
That is my humor folks. certainly not a screw you stoopid remark.
pass out the ritalin. (better than pass out the ammunition.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.
- H. L. Mencken
On Jul 4, 2012, at 7:08 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Doug,
>
> I'm not sure what you want. If you want to connect a new display to
> your
> iMac, then eSATA won't do it.
>
> AFAIK eSATA is only for connecting external drives. Theoretical
> speeds are
> one thing but in practice Dan (Mac Pro) found:-
> eSATA 52 MB/s
> FW800 39 MB/s
> FW400 31 MB/s
> USB 2 25 MB/s
>
> MB = megabytes; x8 for Mb (megabits)
>
> IMO the gain over FW800 is not worth the cost of replacing your
> external
> drives.
>
> Otto
>
> On 4 July 2012 11:29, Douglas Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlin
>
>> since i am splurging on my 27Â" iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
>> striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
>> to dump my Sony
>> CRT for a LG 22Â" (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
>> Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
>> fantasized on getting
>> a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
>> much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
>>
>> is it worth it?
>> i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
>> really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
>> photography is a close second
>> to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
>> adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
>>
>> thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be
>> much
>> appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
>> with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
>> seems significant. of course, in the real world....
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:50 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
thanks. i thought i made it clear i have a 0 RAID which indeed does
have an eSATA port.
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
Once you establish yourself as an eccentric,
you rarely have to explain your actions
unk.
On Jul 4, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Doug, eSATA is a technology for connecting SATA type hard drives to
> your computer via an eSATA cable from an external drive box.
>
> The "e" in eSATA stands for "external."
>
> All recent Macs with a hard drive have a type of drive with SATA data
> connection socket and a smaller electric cable socket.
>
> SATA is plug n play technology.
>
> To have an eSATA port you have to add a PCIe eSATA card. An iMac is a
> consumer model and doesn't have PCIe expansion slots.
>
> eSATA data transfer speed is nicely faster than FireWire 800 but eSATA
> also has some important limits and a big "gotcha" that is often missed
> when people jump in and buy an eSATA PCIe card (like me at first!).
>
> -eSATA cables have to be short.
> -eSATA can't be daisy chained without another gadget.
> -eSATA has an optional technology called "port multiplier" that is
> important to understand BEFORE buying the equipment.
> -eSATA PCIe cards have to have a driver and the driver has to be
> updated to work with different versions of Mac OS X.
>
> Port multiplier, if the PCIe card has it, means you can connect a
> multiple drive device to one eSATA port. Without port multiplier
> present in the card it's one eSATA drive connected to one eSATA port.
>
> Driver has to be up to date. This is critical and you have to check
> with the maker before buying that the driver is compatible with your
> version of Mac OS X.
>
> I'm now on my 3rd PCIe eSATA card because of these issues I just
> listed.
>
> The first one was from SIIG and they refused to update their SIIG
> driver for Snow Leopard so the card was useless with Snow Leopard.
>
> The second card made by SeriTek is doing fine in Snow Leopard and also
> Lion but while it has two eSATA ports it doesn't have port multiplier.
>
> I just bought a 3rd PCIe eSATA card made by Sans Digital and it's a
> piece of crap and after many swaps of emails with Sans Digital tech
> support I'm sending the card back for full refund. BEFORE I bought
> the
> Sans Digital card I sent their customer tech support a message asking
> for their recommendation specifically for a card with port multiplier
> that was compatible with Lion. They said the card I later bought was
> compatible. It's not. I don't know what the issue is. Tech Support
> was confused on driver versions, confused on what and how to install
> the driver, and it turns out that the device I'm trying to connect to
> the Sans Digital card (a Sans Digital quad drive box) won't even keep
> the power on when connected to their own brand PCIe card.
>
> The Sans Digital MobileStore quad drive case has worked pretty well on
> USB but it's slow of course.
>
> A final rant is that the MobilStore device suffers from a hideously
> bad
> case of Japanese-Bad-Design-Catastrophe. The buttons on the front of
> the drive case and tiny tiny tiny. The labels for the buttons are
> tiny
> tiny tiny. The one page instructions sheet buttons label diagram is
> tiny tiny tiny. The printed instructions are so limited as to be
> nearly worthless.
>
> I have to use a magnifying glass and a strong light to read the button
> labels. The damn MobileStore case has an Interface button you have to
> push to change from USB to eSATA. Doesn't work with their own eSATA
> card.
>
> (Stick with my kiddo. I'm on a real roll here.)
>
> The Sans Digital eSATA card turned out to have an unlabeled jumper on
> it that you have to change to change the card from RAID configuration
> to JBOD configuration. This jumper is not mentioned in any piece of
> information and the first try by their tech support used the wrong
> terminology for the jumper.
>
> Rant over. Card being returned tomorrow for refund. AVOID SANS
> DIGITAL if you want products that have rational tech support and that
> don't require a magnifying glass to use.
>
> I'll look for a SeriTek 4 port eSATA card with port multiplier.
> They've done a pretty good job with the product I already have from
> them.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. Many years ago when I was VERY young I drove my MG1100 saloon
> (saloon???, swinging bar doors and all) from London to Paris on July
> 3rd. Going past Canterbury toward Dover I was listening to Radio
> Caroline from the radio pirate ship anchored in international waters
> in
> the North Sea I think. The DJ intoned in a very solemn voice, "Ladies
> and Gentlemen. Tomorrow, July 4th, is that day in history when the
> United States of America lost its dependence on England." I sat
> their
> completely shocked at the concept and then nearly wrecked the car
> laughing.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 03:29:54 -0700, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
>> since i am splurging on my 27" iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
>> striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
>> to dump my Sony
>> CRT for a LG 22" (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
>> Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
>> fantasized on getting
>> a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
>> much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
>>
>> is it worth it?
>> i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
>> really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
>> photography is a close second
>> to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
>> adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
>>
>> thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be
>> much
>> appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
>> with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
>> seems significant. of course, in the real world....
>>
>>
>> doug
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have an eSATA port.
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
Once you establish yourself as an eccentric,
you rarely have to explain your actions
unk.
On Jul 4, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Doug, eSATA is a technology for connecting SATA type hard drives to
> your computer via an eSATA cable from an external drive box.
>
> The "e" in eSATA stands for "external."
>
> All recent Macs with a hard drive have a type of drive with SATA data
> connection socket and a smaller electric cable socket.
>
> SATA is plug n play technology.
>
> To have an eSATA port you have to add a PCIe eSATA card. An iMac is a
> consumer model and doesn't have PCIe expansion slots.
>
> eSATA data transfer speed is nicely faster than FireWire 800 but eSATA
> also has some important limits and a big "gotcha" that is often missed
> when people jump in and buy an eSATA PCIe card (like me at first!).
>
> -eSATA cables have to be short.
> -eSATA can't be daisy chained without another gadget.
> -eSATA has an optional technology called "port multiplier" that is
> important to understand BEFORE buying the equipment.
> -eSATA PCIe cards have to have a driver and the driver has to be
> updated to work with different versions of Mac OS X.
>
> Port multiplier, if the PCIe card has it, means you can connect a
> multiple drive device to one eSATA port. Without port multiplier
> present in the card it's one eSATA drive connected to one eSATA port.
>
> Driver has to be up to date. This is critical and you have to check
> with the maker before buying that the driver is compatible with your
> version of Mac OS X.
>
> I'm now on my 3rd PCIe eSATA card because of these issues I just
> listed.
>
> The first one was from SIIG and they refused to update their SIIG
> driver for Snow Leopard so the card was useless with Snow Leopard.
>
> The second card made by SeriTek is doing fine in Snow Leopard and also
> Lion but while it has two eSATA ports it doesn't have port multiplier.
>
> I just bought a 3rd PCIe eSATA card made by Sans Digital and it's a
> piece of crap and after many swaps of emails with Sans Digital tech
> support I'm sending the card back for full refund. BEFORE I bought
> the
> Sans Digital card I sent their customer tech support a message asking
> for their recommendation specifically for a card with port multiplier
> that was compatible with Lion. They said the card I later bought was
> compatible. It's not. I don't know what the issue is. Tech Support
> was confused on driver versions, confused on what and how to install
> the driver, and it turns out that the device I'm trying to connect to
> the Sans Digital card (a Sans Digital quad drive box) won't even keep
> the power on when connected to their own brand PCIe card.
>
> The Sans Digital MobileStore quad drive case has worked pretty well on
> USB but it's slow of course.
>
> A final rant is that the MobilStore device suffers from a hideously
> bad
> case of Japanese-Bad-
> the drive case and tiny tiny tiny. The labels for the buttons are
> tiny
> tiny tiny. The one page instructions sheet buttons label diagram is
> tiny tiny tiny. The printed instructions are so limited as to be
> nearly worthless.
>
> I have to use a magnifying glass and a strong light to read the button
> labels. The damn MobileStore case has an Interface button you have to
> push to change from USB to eSATA. Doesn't work with their own eSATA
> card.
>
> (Stick with my kiddo. I'm on a real roll here.)
>
> The Sans Digital eSATA card turned out to have an unlabeled jumper on
> it that you have to change to change the card from RAID configuration
> to JBOD configuration. This jumper is not mentioned in any piece of
> information and the first try by their tech support used the wrong
> terminology for the jumper.
>
> Rant over. Card being returned tomorrow for refund. AVOID SANS
> DIGITAL if you want products that have rational tech support and that
> don't require a magnifying glass to use.
>
> I'll look for a SeriTek 4 port eSATA card with port multiplier.
> They've done a pretty good job with the product I already have from
> them.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. Many years ago when I was VERY young I drove my MG1100 saloon
> (saloon???, swinging bar doors and all) from London to Paris on July
> 3rd. Going past Canterbury toward Dover I was listening to Radio
> Caroline from the radio pirate ship anchored in international waters
> in
> the North Sea I think. The DJ intoned in a very solemn voice, "Ladies
> and Gentlemen. Tomorrow, July 4th, is that day in history when the
> United States of America lost its dependence on England." I sat
> their
> completely shocked at the concept and then nearly wrecked the car
> laughing.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 03:29:54 -0700, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
>> since i am splurging on my 27" iMac Quad i7, mid-10, with a SDD, and
>> striped RAID-0, and since OWC messed up my mini display port (i want
>> to dump my Sony
>> CRT for a LG 22" (thereabouts) LED LCD +) and now i cannot nor can
>> Apple Genius Bar get a mini display plug into the port, i have
>> fantasized on getting
>> a e-SATA that i have heard so much about. then, i will have pretty
>> much done everything i could to get my iMac maxed out.
>>
>> is it worth it?
>> i turn 65 this summer, and while i have been retired (disability) i
>> really feel better about being retired at 65. my life long love with
>> photography is a close second
>> to my love of Macs. (i am writing this on my old G5. i had a few
>> adjustments to make to get it up and running. good times).
>>
>> thanks dan, otto, paul, randy, doc, any of whom can help would be
>> much
>> appreciated. it seems i remember the speed difference is from 80 mbps
>> with firewire to 200 mbps with eSATA. maybe i misremembered, but that
>> seems significant. of course, in the real world....
>>
>>
>> doug
>
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:56 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Sorry if Otto and I both misinterpreted your message about eSATA.
I thought it meant you wanted to use eSATA to connect perhaps a
monitor.
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 08:44:40 -0700, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
> in what way did what i wrote lead you to suspect i had asked what you
> implied?
> in what world would anyone try to hook up an eSATA to a monitor port?
> you must think i am even more stupid than i am.
> i don¢t think one put for several points and one time and not confuse
> the audience.
> i mean i appreciate you responding. not many do any more.
>
> also, if you will reread what i wrote, i wrote the theoretical speeds,
> and said i don¢t know
> what the real world speeds would be, for the RAID 0, not the damn new
> monitor.
>
> i think you might have started a little nip too early. but, oh, it is
> quite a different time zone, isn¢t it?
>
> maybe i was asking a rhetorical question, as i seem to know the answer.
>
> or maybe i threw too much into one email.
>
> i WAS going to ask about how to tell if i have 802.11g WiFi router or
> a 802.11n,
> but after this embarrassment, i will call apple.
>
> thanks any way, i think.
>
> or is it because it is the Fourth of July Americans are celebrating.
> not me. i will take a sleeping pill to
> escape the fireworks. just not fun any more. and memories? and you
> guys are still P****ed that we
> are no longer your cononies.
>
> That is my humor folks. certainly not a screw you stoopid remark.
>
> pass out the ritalin. (better than pass out the ammunition.
>
> doug
>
I thought it meant you wanted to use eSATA to connect perhaps a
monitor.
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 08:44:40 -0700, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
> in what way did what i wrote lead you to suspect i had asked what you
> implied?
> in what world would anyone try to hook up an eSATA to a monitor port?
> you must think i am even more stupid than i am.
> i don¢t think one put for several points and one time and not confuse
> the audience.
> i mean i appreciate you responding. not many do any more.
>
> also, if you will reread what i wrote, i wrote the theoretical speeds,
> and said i don¢t know
> what the real world speeds would be, for the RAID 0, not the damn new
> monitor.
>
> i think you might have started a little nip too early. but, oh, it is
> quite a different time zone, isn¢t it?
>
> maybe i was asking a rhetorical question, as i seem to know the answer.
>
> or maybe i threw too much into one email.
>
> i WAS going to ask about how to tell if i have 802.11g WiFi router or
> a 802.11n,
> but after this embarrassment, i will call apple.
>
> thanks any way, i think.
>
> or is it because it is the Fourth of July Americans are celebrating.
> not me. i will take a sleeping pill to
> escape the fireworks. just not fun any more. and memories? and you
> guys are still P****ed that we
> are no longer your cononies.
>
> That is my humor folks. certainly not a screw you stoopid remark.
>
> pass out the ritalin. (better than pass out the ammunition.
>
> doug
>
Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:46 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Thanks Jay and Dan.
I've wondered if an iPad (with separate keyboard for some tasks) could
stand in for a laptop. Obviously it is limited in terms of hardware but it
seems it is also limited in another crucial way.
My PowerBook has just died. Logic board, not economic to repair even if I
could source the part(s). Looking at options.
Sorry, this is going OT.
Otto
On 4 July 2012 04:20, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Howdy
>
> I've heard of a program for iPad called Our iPad that does user accounts.
>
> Also read a couple of rumors that the next release of iOS may have a user
> accounts feature but it's still just a rumor.
>
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I've wondered if an iPad (with separate keyboard for some tasks) could
stand in for a laptop. Obviously it is limited in terms of hardware but it
seems it is also limited in another crucial way.
My PowerBook has just died. Logic board, not economic to repair even if I
could source the part(s). Looking at options.
Sorry, this is going OT.
Otto
On 4 July 2012 04:20, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> Howdy
>
> I've heard of a program for iPad called Our iPad that does user accounts.
>
> Also read a couple of rumors that the next release of iOS may have a user
> accounts feature but it's still just a rumor.
>
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:28 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Terry Pogue" terrypogue_2000
I have a question about iCloud. I didn't set it up because I have a huge amount of data and keep it on my own raid drives here. I also get a lot of email, but now my me.com mail account is not working. If I set that up on the cloud will it also keep all my mail and charge me storage for that? I believe I still have months to go on my MobileMe subscription.
Terry
Sent from my iPadHD
Terry
Sent from my iPadHD
Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:53 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> I have a question about iCloud. I didn't set it up because I have a huge amount of data and keep it on my own raid drives here.
I don't see what that has to do with iCloud.
> I also get a lot of email, but now my me.com mail account is not working.
Your me.com mail isn't working because you haven't set up iCloud and MobileMe no longer exists.
> If I set that up on the cloud will it also keep all my mail and charge me storage for that?
It will keep all you mail exactly as MobileMe kept all your mail.
> I believe I still have months to go on my MobileMe subscription.
No, MobileMe no longer exists.
After all of the sequential periodic warnings over the last 18 months that it was going away, I hope that you can still transfer the mail account directly to iCloud....
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I don't see what that has to do with iCloud.
> I also get a lot of email, but now my me.com mail account is not working.
Your me.com mail isn't working because you haven't set up iCloud and MobileMe no longer exists.
> If I set that up on the cloud will it also keep all my mail and charge me storage for that?
It will keep all you mail exactly as MobileMe kept all your mail.
> I believe I still have months to go on my MobileMe subscription.
No, MobileMe no longer exists.
After all of the sequential periodic warnings over the last 18 months that it was going away, I hope that you can still transfer the mail account directly to iCloud....
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:51 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Bill B." kernos501
Why Do I want DNS addresses on my router?
(airport extreme) which are different from those I have in my Network preferences. I figured this out trying to use Namebench which won't work since the router intercepts and changes all requests:
"Your router or Internet Service Provider appears to be intercepting and redirecting all outgoing DNS requests. This means you cannot benchmark or utilize alternate DNS servers. Please adjust your router configuration or file a support request with your ISP."
Also, my ISP has configured Airport with an automatic proxy config. file URL which I cannot download to inspect.
TIA,
Bill
(airport extreme) which are different from those I have in my Network preferences. I figured this out trying to use Namebench which won't work since the router intercepts and changes all requests:
"Your router or Internet Service Provider appears to be intercepting and redirecting all outgoing DNS requests. This means you cannot benchmark or utilize alternate DNS servers. Please adjust your router configuration or file a support request with your ISP."
Also, my ISP has configured Airport with an automatic proxy config. file URL which I cannot download to inspect.
TIA,
Bill
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