7/05/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 8980

20 New Messages
Digest #8980
1a
Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
1b
Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
1c
Re: DD or anyone who willing to help by "Earle Jones" earlejones501
2.1
Re: Mac.com question by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
2.2
Re: Mac.com question by "Terry Pogue" terrypogue_2000
2.3
Re: Mac.com question by "N.A. Nada"
2.4
Re: Mac.com question by "N.A. Nada"
2.5
Re: Mac.com question by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
2.6
Re: Mac.com question by "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
2.7
Re: Mac.com question by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
2.8
Re: Mac.com question by "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
3a
Wired connection to Airport Extreme by "davidpriceuk" davidpriceuk
3b
Re: Wired connection to Airport Extreme by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
3c
Re: Wired connection to Airport Extreme by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
3d
Re: Wired connection to Airport Extreme by "Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski
4.1
Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au
4.2
Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
5a
Re: restoring camera app on iPad2 by "Jay Abraham" kerala01212001
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Key board key needed by "Bill B." kernos501

Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
please follow dan's advise. i was in denial about this reference.
i won't do that any more.
but, you provoked it, as per usual. but that is besides the point now.
way too late.
goodbye,
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net

"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra

so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).

On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Jim Saklad wrote:

>> we are not talking about others. just you and dan (who is ever more
>> graceful than you or me) and brigand whose name i won't mention.
>> doug
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> Hi, dougie
> Jim Saklad
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
sorry to have confused you.
you are right about things not being clear sometimes.
but sometimes people make assumptions. remember what they say about
assumptions.
i have no interest in TB technology at the time. totally irrelevant to
me,
but i am glad USB is finally making it to market. about time.

doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net

"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra

so, i asked him for his money. he said “No.”
(not really).

On Jul 4, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> Doug,
>
> I'm sorry that we seem to misunderstand one another from time to time.
>
> Sometimes a question or response isn't as clear as it might be. The
> thing
> is to realise that and move on. I apologise for not reading your OP
> as it
> was intended.
>
> But you do know that ThunderBolt, which uses an MDP port, really does
> confuse the whole high-speed connection question? Maybe that's why
> the June
> 2012 Macs at last include USB 3?
>
> Otto
> Who's just 4 years behind you.
> :0 :0 :0
>
> On 4 July 2012 21:28, Douglas Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> last first, i gave you the speeds of the place that will install the
>> eSATA.
>> i mentioned the MDP and change of monitors because thatÂ's what i
>> want,
>> as part of an upgrade plan.
>> YOU wrote: Â"I'm not sure what you want. If you want to connect a new
>> display to your
>> iMac, then eSATA won't do itÂ"
>> like i didnÂ't know that? but, it is possible by installing in at OWC
>> (who ruined my MDP port, did you catch that?)
>> and which is now being repaired by Apple. a iMac can have a eSATA,
>> and
>> connect to a RAID performance.
>> i MENTIONED that, and you and others missed, didnÂ't read it, or just
>> dismissed me.
>>
>> we are not talking about others. just you and dan (who is ever more
>> graceful than you or me) and brigand
>> whose name i wonÂ't mention.
>>
>> so,
>> a big grin across the pond to you, Big O.
>>
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 6:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Earle Jones" earlejones501

On Jul 4, 12, at 4:18 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> On 5 July 2012 00:06, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > I thought I gave you what I thought you said you thought you wanted.
> > > earle
> >
> > Incorrect attribution (I didn't write that, someone else did).
> >
>
> I thought *he* ... ?
>
> Otto

*

"I thought I gave you what I thought you said you thought you wanted"
was the punch line of a Woody Allen joke.

It just seemed to fit the ongoing conversation.

earle
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.

Have you opened the iCloud panel in System Preferences? Note the check
boxes.

Denver Dan

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 20:22:11 -0400, Terry Pogue wrote:
> I said it would transfer my mobile me. It said it would activate my
> mail account and my calendar. I was pleased and shut down the browser
> but I'm still not getting my me.com mail. I figured it was because of
> the holiday so I didn't say anything.
> Terry

Wed Jul 4, 2012 6:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Terry Pogue" terrypogue_2000
I have Dan. Thanks

Sent from my iPadHD

On Jul 4, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net> wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> Have you opened the iCloud panel in System Preferences? Note the check
> boxes.
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 20:22:11 -0400, Terry Pogue wrote:
>> I said it would transfer my mobile me. It said it would activate my
>> mail account and my calendar. I was pleased and shut down the browser
>> but I'm still not getting my me.com mail. I figured it was because of
>> the holiday so I didn't say anything.
>> Terry
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Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "N.A. Nada"
You last paid for MobileMe over 18 months ago. After that point, they would not accept money or an activation code. Anyone who had an account at that point got a free extension until June 30th 2012.

Email does not count against the space they will give you free at iCloud, and only the stuff you have settings to allow will be stored on the cloud.

Go to iCloud today or tomorrow and convert your MobileMe account or lose your mac.com e-ddress.

Brent

On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Terry Pogue wrote:

I don't care about transferring mail messages to the cloud I just want me.com to get mail fir me. I never used mobile me on the web. Oh I checked it once in awhile but never looked at mail or anything on that site. I will probably have to set up a mail account again. I misunderstood and thought the addy would work as long as you had time left on the annual subscription to MobileMe. I knew it was going to disappear, how could you not with all the warnings but since I never used it I thought the addy would be protected until my year was up.
Thanks,
Terry

Sent from my iPadHD

On Jul 4, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:

>> I have a question about iCloud. I didn't set it up because I have a huge amount of data and keep it on my own raid drives here.
>
> I don't see what that has to do with iCloud.
>
>> I also get a lot of email, but now my me.com mail account is not working.
>
> Your me.com mail isn't working because you haven't set up iCloud and MobileMe no longer exists.
>
>> If I set that up on the cloud will it also keep all my mail and charge me storage for that?
>
> It will keep all you mail exactly as MobileMe kept all your mail.
>
>> I believe I still have months to go on my MobileMe subscription.
>
>
> No, MobileMe no longer exists.
> After all of the sequential periodic warnings over the last 18 months that it was going away, I hope that you can still transfer the mail account directly to iCloud....
>

Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "N.A. Nada"
Uh, Daly.

iWorks, which was a beta, goes away the end of July. Copy anything you have there to your Mac or lose it.

Documents are counted against the free 5 GB. Mail, Calendar, (Address Book ?) or iTunes stuff are not counted against the 5 GB of space. Apple has made it confusing as to what counts against the free 5GB.

But iWorks goes away at the end of July.

On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:

On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Jurgen Richter wrote:

> The original question probably implied the storage space we used to get
> online through mac.com. In an email this week, Apple confirmed that
> previous mac.com members get continued storage space and a temporary
> bonus, as follows:
>
> iCloud comes with 5GB of free storage for Mail, Documents, and
> Backup. As a former MobileMe member, we have provided you with a free
> 20GB storage upgrade that is good through September 30, 2012. After this
> date, you can continue with the upgrade at the regular price, or let it
> expire and use the free 5GB plan.

Notice that the free storage space is for Mail, Documents (which right now is basically just iWork documents) and backups of devices.

Do not confuse it with iDisk, which was just a virtual disk where you could store anything you liked, including files on their included web server.

Daly

Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:49 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
N.A. Nada wrote:

> iWorks, which was a beta, goes away the end of July. Copy anything you have there to your Mac or lose it.

This is certainly the first time I've heard of that. Do you have a reference?

> Documents are counted against the free 5 GB. Mail, Calendar, (Address Book ?) or iTunes stuff are not counted against the 5 GB of space. Apple has made it confusing as to what counts against the free 5GB.
>
> But iWorks goes away at the end of July.

Sounds to me as though your 5GB of storage is for Documents, then. I heard a rumor that they might include MS Office docs one of these days.

But iWorks going away? Can you please expand on that statement?

Daly
Thu Jul 5, 2012 6:09 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
On 05/07/12 13:49, Daly Jessup wrote:
> N.A. Nada wrote:
>
>> iWorks, which was a beta, goes away the end of July. Copy anything you have there to your Mac or lose it.
>
> This is certainly the first time I've heard of that. Do you have a reference?
>
>> Documents are counted against the free 5 GB. Mail, Calendar, (Address Book ?) or iTunes stuff are not counted against the 5 GB of space. Apple has made it confusing as to what counts against the free 5GB.
>>
>> But iWorks goes away at the end of July.
>
> Sounds to me as though your 5GB of storage is for Documents, then. I heard a rumor that they might include MS Office docs one of these days.
>
> But iWorks going away? Can you please expand on that statement?#

Did you bother to try your own research ? Its not hard to find hundreds
of references on the web, e.g.

http://www.apple.com/iwork/iwork-dot-com/

Also, if you are requested yo would have received an email or two about
it. I certainly did.

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Thu Jul 5, 2012 7:07 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup

On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

> On 05/07/12 13:49, Daly Jessup wrote:

>> But iWorks going away? Can you please expand on that statement?#
>
> Did you bother to try your own research ? Its not hard to find hundreds
> of references on the web, e.g.
>
> http://www.apple.com/iwork/iwork-dot-com/
>
> Also, if you are requested yo would have received an email or two about
> it. I certainly did.

You know, the rudeness level of this list has reached a whole new low. Not that anyone cares, but I will instantly unsubscribe the next time I see a post with this kind of attitude.

Of course I got those notices. I had understood him to be saying that iWork itself is going away. I did not understand that he was talking about a Cloud service for iWork. Notice that he said iWork is going away, not that "iwork.com" or "iwork-dot-com." (Actually, what he said was "iWorks" was going away, though of course there is no product of that name at all.) So I misunderstood his reference.

As for your rude implication that I didn't bother to do my own research, I did. And I could find no reference that "iWork" OR "iWorks" was going away. Which it isn't. And I spend a shockingly large amount of time googling things for other people who write to various lists without doing their own research, and I seldom find it necessary to even mention it.

Daly

Thu Jul 5, 2012 8:26 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
Hi,

Sorry, it simply didn't occur to me that given the context of the
discussion, you would confuse iWork with iWork.com. My mistake, please
accept my apologies.

Chris

On 05/07/12 15:07, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
>
>> On 05/07/12 13:49, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
>>> But iWorks going away? Can you please expand on that statement?#
>>
>> Did you bother to try your own research ? Its not hard to find hundreds
>> of references on the web, e.g.
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/iwork/iwork-dot-com/
>>
>> Also, if you are requested yo would have received an email or two about
>> it. I certainly did.
>
> You know, the rudeness level of this list has reached a whole new low. Not that anyone cares, but I will instantly unsubscribe the next time I see a post with this kind of attitude.
>
> Of course I got those notices. I had understood him to be saying that iWork itself is going away. I did not understand that he was talking about a Cloud service for iWork. Notice that he said iWork is going away, not that "iwork.com" or "iwork-dot-com." (Actually, what he said was "iWorks" was going away, though of course there is no product of that name at all.) So I misunderstood his reference.
>
> As for your rude implication that I didn't bother to do my own research, I did. And I could find no reference that "iWork" OR "iWorks" was going away. Which it isn't. And I spend a shockingly large amount of time googling things for other people who write to various lists without doing their own research, and I seldom find it necessary to even mention it.
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 1:40 am (PDT) . Posted by: "davidpriceuk" davidpriceuk
I'm somewhat wary of posting this having read some of the recent exchanges, but here goes:

I recently bought an Airport Extreme base station and it's working fine for the whole house but it won't reach down the garden to where my office is. So I need to link to the Airport Extreme with ethernet cable (like I did before we had wireless). I have a MacBook Air and I had been using an ethernet/USB adapter for Internet connection but I now can't get it to work. In Network Diagnostics, Ethernet and Network Settings are both green, while ISP, Internet and Server all red. All are showing green with wireless in the house, so I don't know why the wired connection is not working in my office. Any suggestions (apart from somehow boosting the signal to my office)?

David

Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:11 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
doncha worry bout asking some questions. that other stuff the other
day was just a bunch of old farts quibbling.
do you have 802.11n Airport Extreme. i read in maclife that that will
reach anywhere. it costs about $179.
i had to double check to see what i had.
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net

"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra

so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).

On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:40 AM, davidpriceuk wrote:

> I'm somewhat wary of posting this having read some of the recent
> exchanges, but here goes:
>
> I recently bought an Airport Extreme base station and it's working
> fine for the whole house but it won't reach down the garden to where
> my office is. So I need to link to the Airport Extreme with ethernet
> cable (like I did before we had wireless). I have a MacBook Air and
> I had been using an ethernet/USB adapter for Internet connection but
> I now can't get it to work. In Network Diagnostics, Ethernet and
> Network Settings are both green, while ISP, Internet and Server all
> red. All are showing green with wireless in the house, so I don't
> know why the wired connection is not working in my office. Any
> suggestions (apart from somehow boosting the signal to my office)?
>
> David
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:44 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.

You can try moving the AirPort Extreme base station after checking to
see if there might be metal between it and the garden.

Or, you can check for a gadget called a WiFi Extender, or, WiFi range
extender. It's a gadget you install closer to the garden location. It
receives the AirPort base station signal and boosts it to give it
greater range.

These are made by a lot of companies but Netgear makes at least one
type.

You might also want to check into the new WiFi speed protocol that just
came out in May. It's not yet seen in a lot of WiFi base stations.
It's called 802.11ac and also is said to have the ability to "beam" a
WiFi signal in a specific direction. I don't know if this would solve
the range issue for you but it's worth looking into. As for the speed
of 802.11ac, you would have to have new WiFi cards with the 802.11ac
speed capability otherwise the device would still receive at the
802.11n speed.

Good luck.

Don't worry about folks getting a little irritated occasionally.
Internet/email has the odd knack of amplifying things out of all
proportion. This is generally a very civilized bunch as members of
MacSupportCentral.

Denver Dan

On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:40:29 +0000, davidpriceuk wrote:
> I'm somewhat wary of posting this having read some of the recent
> exchanges, but here goes:
>
> I recently bought an Airport Extreme base station and it's working
> fine for the whole house but it won't reach down the garden to where
> my office is. So I need to link to the Airport Extreme with ethernet
> cable (like I did before we had wireless). I have a MacBook Air and I
> had been using an ethernet/USB adapter for Internet connection but I
> now can't get it to work. In Network Diagnostics, Ethernet and
> Network Settings are both green, while ISP, Internet and Server all
> red. All are showing green with wireless in the house, so I don't
> know why the wired connection is not working in my office. Any
> suggestions (apart from somehow boosting the signal to my office)?
>
> David

Thu Jul 5, 2012 6:41 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski
Or possibly use an Airport Express ($99 in the US) to provide a
network extension?

.........Mike

On Jul 5, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Douglas Yelmen wrote:

> doncha worry bout asking some questions. that other stuff the other
> day was just a bunch of old farts quibbling.
> do you have 802.11n Airport Extreme. i read in maclife that that will
> reach anywhere. it costs about $179.
> i had to double check to see what i had.
> doug
> Douglas Yelmen
> dougyelmen@earthlink.net
>
> "Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
> suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
> letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
>
> so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
> (not really).
>
> On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:40 AM, davidpriceuk wrote:
>
>> I'm somewhat wary of posting this having read some of the recent
>> exchanges, but here goes:
>>
>> I recently bought an Airport Extreme base station and it's working
>> fine for the whole house but it won't reach down the garden to where
>> my office is. So I need to link to the Airport Extreme with ethernet
>> cable (like I did before we had wireless). I have a MacBook Air and
>> I had been using an ethernet/USB adapter for Internet connection but
>> I now can't get it to work. In Network Diagnostics, Ethernet and
>> Network Settings are both green, while ISP, Internet and Server all
>> red. All are showing green with wireless in the house, so I don't
>> know why the wired connection is not working in my office. Any
>> suggestions (apart from somehow boosting the signal to my office)?
>>
>> David
>>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 2:41 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au
Nope. Basically, screen sharing as used by OS X is only VNC. I use "Screen Sharing Menulet" quite a lot to be able to use VNC into clients computers.

A VPN is only an encrypted tunnel back to another network, but is not necessary for VNC to work across a WAN.

cjc

On 05/07/2012, at 12:12 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:

>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
>
> > If all you want to do is remote control your home mac, then Apple's Screen Sharing (built into all Cat operating systems) should suffice. If you want to also copy files to and fro, then Screen Sharing is probably not the best option. Although it could fulfil the requirements.
>
> Your list of questions was really excellent. You did make this one comment that got my attention. My "understanding" is that screen sharing only works among computers on the same network, not from a remote computer on a different network. Wouldn't you have to do VPN to put yourself on the same network to get Screen Sharing to work?
>
> Daly
>

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Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:42 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup

On Jul 5, 2012, at 2:41 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:

> Nope. Basically, screen sharing as used by OS X is only VNC. I use "Screen Sharing Menulet" quite a lot to be able to use VNC into clients computers.
>
> A VPN is only an encrypted tunnel back to another network, but is not necessary for VNC to work across a WAN.

But that wasn't my question. I understand that VNC can work on the local network. I was just pointing out that before you can do VNC on a network, you have to be part of the network. So VPN would get you into a network where you could then use VNC, right?

How do you get into your clients' computers?

Daly
Thu Jul 5, 2012 8:07 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jay Abraham" kerala01212001
Hi Otto,

If you have another computer for the main tasks, I think an iPad can stand in. I just replaced my Powerbook G4 as my primary computer with a MacMini when I got an iPad about a year ago and use the Mini for most of my intensive tasks but use my iPad for when I'm mobile - either in the house or on vacation. I used to bring my Powerbook when on the road for client assignments but most of them make me use their Windows machines so I would always have to carry 2 computers. Now I carry the Windows laptops and use my iPad for my business.

However, when I'm mobile I just pretty much look at e-mails, browse the internet etc. I haven't been entering spreadsheets, writing long documents, etc (which if needed, I could do on the client laptop). I believe an iPad could do that minimally but using Apple software (iWorks) rather than the Microsoft Office suite. That may be okay with you but not sure I would do that if you are trading documents with Window users.

Jay

On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:45 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> Thanks Jay and Dan.
>
> I've wondered if an iPad (with separate keyboard for some tasks) could
> stand in for a laptop. Obviously it is limited in terms of hardware but it
> seems it is also limited in another crucial way.
>
> My PowerBook has just died. Logic board, not economic to repair even if I
> could source the part(s). Looking at options.
>
> Sorry, this is going OT.
>
> Otto
>
> On 4 July 2012 04:20, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Howdy
> >
> > I've heard of a program for iPad called Our iPad that does user accounts.
> >
> > Also read a couple of rumors that the next release of iOS may have a user
> > accounts feature but it's still just a rumor.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Thu Jul 5, 2012 8:16 am (PDT) . Posted by: "T Hopkins" todhop
I use eSATA and FW800 daily connected to Mac Pros. I use the standard FW800 bus, Sonnet E2P and the OWC (Newertech) eSATA cards. I've measured the throughput performance with both regular and RAID0 drives on all three connections. These eSATA connections have faster sustained throughput than the FW800 connections by roughly 25% when using drives that have both connections (OWC, LaCie, GRaid, Fantom). The Sonnet and Newertech cards are similar in performance.

Reliable reporting from other users indicates that a full-blown eSATA card ($300-400) can achieve throughput speeds 300% faster than FW800 when using very vast RAID drives, these cheaper cards are clearly inferior. However, they are faster than FW800, so I use them.

Another important factor to consider is that more than one FW800 drives on the same bus drops performance. The sustained throughput of a drive in a three drive chain can drop by nearly 30%, even when it is operating alone. I don't know why. I just know it's true (though some on this list dispute my findings). Since eSATA does not chain, there is no direct comparison, but using the two available eSATA ports simultaneously shows no measurable drop in performance. If you are running more than one drive, it's much faster to use the two eSATA ports and one FW800 than to put three FW800 drives on the internal bus at the same time.

Mind you, I test ONLY sustained throughput. That's the number I care about as a video editor. If sustained throughput does not matter to you, the difference in speeds I'm talking about are likely inconsequential.

Cheers,
tod

Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
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On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Dane Robison wrote:

> My experience was that eSATA on a MBP was observably and measurably
> faster than Firewire

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Thu Jul 5, 2012 8:38 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Bill B." kernos501
I need a left command key cover for an early 2012 17" MBPro. The key works, it is just the black part with the cloverleaf on it. It split in two and finally fell off.

Are such things available? I hate to get a whole new keyboard for something so simple.

TIA,

Bill

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