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Digest #8981
| 1a Re: Key board key needed by "Barry Austern" barryaus 1b Re: Key board key needed by "Ardell Faul" computer_monitor_service_company 1c Re: Key board key needed by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 1d Re: Key board key needed by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 2a Re: restoring camera app on iPad2 by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180 2b Re: restoring camera app on iPad2 by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 3a Re: iTunes: How do I deauthorize a computer I don't have anymore by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180 4a Re: eSATAs for ´Consumer¡ iMacs by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180 5a MBP vs MBPR by "pco98" pco98 5b Re: MBP vs MBPR by "Bill Boulware" boulware0224 5c Re: MBP vs MBPR by "pco98" pco98 5d Re: MBP vs MBPR by "Bill Boulware" boulware0224 5e Re: MBP vs MBPR by "pco98" pco98 5f Re: MBP vs MBPR by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 5g Re: MBP vs MBPR by "pco98" pco98 5h Re: MBP vs MBPR by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 5i Re: MBP vs MBPR by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 5j Re: MBP vs MBPR by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 5k Re: MBP vs MBPR by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 5l Re: MBP vs MBPR by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 5m Re: MBP vs MBPR by "pco98" pco98 6a Re: Startup chime by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 7a Re: Wired connection to Airport Extreme by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 8.1 Re: Mac.com question by "N.A. Nada" 8.2 Re: Mac.com question by "N.A. Nada" |
Thu Jul 5, 2012 8:56 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Barry Austern" barryaus
At 10:38 AM -0500 7/5/12, Bill B. wrote:
>
>
>I need a left command key cover for an early 2012 17" MBPro. The key
>works, it is just the black part with the cloverleaf on it. It split
>in two and finally fell off.
>
>Are such things available? I hate to get a whole new keyboard for
>something so simple.
Several years ago, I bought a used PowerBook on eBay. Because it had
a missing key or two the seller sent along with it a brand new
keyboard. I could not figure out how to change it, so I took it to
the Genius Bar for advice. What they did was go into their back, find
the missing keys, and install them for me for free. Of course I then
was able to resell the brand-new keyboard on eBay. In other words,
maybe you will have the luck I did. If not I am sure they will have
one there that they can sell you. However, let's face it. If yours
really is "early 2012" then it is under the original warranty, even
if you don't have AppleCare, so it will be fixed free.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
>
>
>I need a left command key cover for an early 2012 17" MBPro. The key
>works, it is just the black part with the cloverleaf on it. It split
>in two and finally fell off.
>
>Are such things available? I hate to get a whole new keyboard for
>something so simple.
Several years ago, I bought a used PowerBook on eBay. Because it had
a missing key or two the seller sent along with it a brand new
keyboard. I could not figure out how to change it, so I took it to
the Genius Bar for advice. What they did was go into their back, find
the missing keys, and install them for me for free. Of course I then
was able to resell the brand-new keyboard on eBay. In other words,
maybe you will have the luck I did. If not I am sure they will have
one there that they can sell you. However, let's face it. If yours
really is "early 2012" then it is under the original warranty, even
if you don't have AppleCare, so it will be fixed free.
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
Thu Jul 5, 2012 9:08 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Ardell Faul" computer_monitor_service_company
You can buy individual keys for almost any keyboard from sellers on
Ebay. I do it all the time. You have to look the pictures over
carefully to make sure your keyboard uses the same plastic mounting
pieces under the key cover, and be sure you understand how they go
together before you try to force the key cover in place.
Looks like you can get one for yours at
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=macbook+pro+key&_sacat=0&_odkw=macbook+pro+keyboard&_osacat=0
Ardell Faul
Computer Monitor Service Inc.
Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
10816 E. Mission Ave.,
Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
ardell@icehouse.net
509-891-5188
On 7/5/2012 8:38 AM, Bill B. wrote:
>
> I need a left command key cover for an early 2012 17" MBPro. The key
> works, it is just the black part with the cloverleaf on it. It split
> in two and finally fell off.
>
> Are such things available? I hate to get a whole new keyboard for
> something so simple.
>
> TIA,
>
> Bill
>
>
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Ebay. I do it all the time. You have to look the pictures over
carefully to make sure your keyboard uses the same plastic mounting
pieces under the key cover, and be sure you understand how they go
together before you try to force the key cover in place.
Looks like you can get one for yours at
http://www.ebay.
Ardell Faul
Computer Monitor Service Inc.
Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
10816 E. Mission Ave.,
Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
ardell@icehouse.
509-891-5188
On 7/5/2012 8:38 AM, Bill B. wrote:
>
> I need a left command key cover for an early 2012 17" MBPro. The key
> works, it is just the black part with the cloverleaf on it. It split
> in two and finally fell off.
>
> Are such things available? I hate to get a whole new keyboard for
> something so simple.
>
> TIA,
>
> Bill
>
>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 10:48 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
I'll just mention that these are called key caps by Apple, which might help
when searching.
Otto
On 5 July 2012 17:09, Ardell Faul <ardell@icehouse.net > wrote:
> You can buy individual keys for almost any keyboard from sellers on
> Ebay. I do it all the time. You have to look the pictures over
> carefully to make sure your keyboard uses the same plastic mounting
> pieces under the key cover, and be sure you understand how they go
> together before you try to force the key cover in place.
>
> Looks like you can get one for yours at
>
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=macbook+pro+key&_sacat=0&_odkw=macbook+pro+keyboard&_osacat=0
>
> Ardell Faul
> Computer Monitor Service Inc.
> Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
> 10816 E. Mission Ave.,
> Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
> ardell@icehouse.net
> 509-891-5188
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
when searching.
Otto
On 5 July 2012 17:09, Ardell Faul <ardell@icehouse.
> You can buy individual keys for almost any keyboard from sellers on
> Ebay. I do it all the time. You have to look the pictures over
> carefully to make sure your keyboard uses the same plastic mounting
> pieces under the key cover, and be sure you understand how they go
> together before you try to force the key cover in place.
>
> Looks like you can get one for yours at
>
> http://www.ebay.
>
> Ardell Faul
> Computer Monitor Service Inc.
> Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
> 10816 E. Mission Ave.,
> Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
> ardell@icehouse.
> 509-891-5188
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 11:49 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> I need a left command key cover for an early 2012 17" MBPro. The key works, it is just the black part with the cloverleaf on it. It split in two and finally fell off.
>>
>> Are such things available? I hate to get a whole new keyboard for something so simple.
>
> If yours really is "early 2012" then it is under the original warranty, even if you don't have AppleCare, so it will be fixed free.
> Barry Austern
MacTracker doesn't list an "Early 2012" 17" MacbookPro.
The last one they list currently is "Late 2011".
Still, that one was released in October 2011, so it *IS* still in warranty.
Introduced October 2011
Model Identifier MacBookPro8,3
Model Number A1297
Order Number MD311LL/A
Processor Intel Core i7 (2760QM, 2860QM) ("Sandy Bridge")
Processor Speed 2.4 or 2.5 GHz
Architecture 64-bit
Number of Cores 4
Cache 6 MB (2.4 GHz) or 8 MB (2.5 GHz) shared L3 cache
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>>
>> Are such things available? I hate to get a whole new keyboard for something so simple.
>
> If yours really is "early 2012" then it is under the original warranty, even if you don't have AppleCare, so it will be fixed free.
> Barry Austern
MacTracker doesn't list an "Early 2012" 17" MacbookPro.
The last one they list currently is "Late 2011".
Still, that one was released in October 2011, so it *IS* still in warranty.
Introduced October 2011
Model Identifier MacBookPro8,
Model Number A1297
Order Number MD311LL/A
Processor Intel Core i7 (2760QM, 2860QM) ("Sandy Bridge")
Processor Speed 2.4 or 2.5 GHz
Architecture 64-bit
Number of Cores 4
Cache 6 MB (2.4 GHz) or 8 MB (2.5 GHz) shared L3 cache
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Thu Jul 5, 2012 9:51 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Otto, I suspect an iPad might be able to stand in for a laptop but it
would depend on which application you need to use. If Microsoft Office
then it would be a problem just as one example.
Bluetooth is part of the iPad so a BT keyboard would work OK and there
are other types of keyboards available also.
My regular barbershop is now using an iPad for their office computer.
Appointments and records, etc. I don't know if they do any bookkeeping
on it. They use it with a sturdy desktop holder device that lifts the
iPad up and holds it at an angle so you can use the virtual keyboard
much more easily.
Denver Dan
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 12:45:59 +0100, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> I've wondered if an iPad (with separate keyboard for some tasks) could
> stand in for a laptop. Obviously it is limited in terms of hardware but it
> seems it is also limited in another crucial way.
>
> My PowerBook has just died. Logic board, not economic to repair even if I
> could source the part(s). Looking at options.
>
> Sorry, this is going OT.
>
> Otto
Otto, I suspect an iPad might be able to stand in for a laptop but it
would depend on which application you need to use. If Microsoft Office
then it would be a problem just as one example.
Bluetooth is part of the iPad so a BT keyboard would work OK and there
are other types of keyboards available also.
My regular barbershop is now using an iPad for their office computer.
Appointments and records, etc. I don't know if they do any bookkeeping
on it. They use it with a sturdy desktop holder device that lifts the
iPad up and holds it at an angle so you can use the virtual keyboard
much more easily.
Denver Dan
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 12:45:59 +0100, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> I've wondered if an iPad (with separate keyboard for some tasks) could
> stand in for a laptop. Obviously it is limited in terms of hardware but it
> seems it is also limited in another crucial way.
>
> My PowerBook has just died. Logic board, not economic to repair even if I
> could source the part(s). Looking at options.
>
> Sorry, this is going OT.
>
> Otto
Thu Jul 5, 2012 10:53 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Thanks Jay and Dan.
You've given me something to think about.
:)
Otto
On 5 July 2012 17:51, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Otto, I suspect an iPad might be able to stand in for a laptop but it
> would depend on which application you need to use. If Microsoft Office
> then it would be a problem just as one example.
>
> Bluetooth is part of the iPad so a BT keyboard would work OK and there
> are other types of keyboards available also.
>
> My regular barbershop is now using an iPad for their office computer.
> Appointments and records, etc. I don't know if they do any bookkeeping
> on it. They use it with a sturdy desktop holder device that lifts the
> iPad up and holds it at an angle so you can use the virtual keyboard
> much more easily.
>
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You've given me something to think about.
:)
Otto
On 5 July 2012 17:51, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> Howdy.
>
> Otto, I suspect an iPad might be able to stand in for a laptop but it
> would depend on which application you need to use. If Microsoft Office
> then it would be a problem just as one example.
>
> Bluetooth is part of the iPad so a BT keyboard would work OK and there
> are other types of keyboards available also.
>
> My regular barbershop is now using an iPad for their office computer.
> Appointments and records, etc. I don't know if they do any bookkeeping
> on it. They use it with a sturdy desktop holder device that lifts the
> iPad up and holds it at an angle so you can use the virtual keyboard
> much more easily.
>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 9:59 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
You can use the Store menu in iTunes to deauthorize the computer
running the iTunes.
Since you can authorize up to 5 computers at once you could just ignore
doing the deauthorization unless needed for another computer.
Deauthorize All is a command you can do in iTunes Store > Account. You
log in to your account and there is a Deauthorize all button there.
CAUTION! I think the Deauthorize All button can only be used once a
year.
I would check the FAQ on this topic to be sure you could then
reauthorize a computer, without problems, after using this button.
<http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/authorization/ >
Denver Dan
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 12:58:00 -0500, Bill B. wrote:
> I have a lot of albums, bought on iTumes which can only be authorized
> on 5 computers. iTunes: How do I deauthorize a computer I don't have
> anymore, so I can authorize these on a new computer?
>
> TIA,
>
> Bill B
You can use the Store menu in iTunes to deauthorize the computer
running the iTunes.
Since you can authorize up to 5 computers at once you could just ignore
doing the deauthorization unless needed for another computer.
Deauthorize All is a command you can do in iTunes Store > Account. You
log in to your account and there is a Deauthorize all button there.
CAUTION! I think the Deauthorize All button can only be used once a
year.
I would check the FAQ on this topic to be sure you could then
reauthorize a computer, without problems, after using this button.
<http://www.apple.
Denver Dan
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 12:58:00 -0500, Bill B. wrote:
> I have a lot of albums, bought on iTumes which can only be authorized
> on 5 computers. iTunes: How do I deauthorize a computer I don't have
> anymore, so I can authorize these on a new computer?
>
> TIA,
>
> Bill B
Thu Jul 5, 2012 10:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Thanks for this information, Tod. Since I'm in the market for a new
eSATA card with port multiplier it's useful observations.
I've just sent back a Sans Digital 4 port eSATA card with port
multiplier because it wouldn't work on MacPro with Lion. It's got
jumpers than have to be changed and the Sans Digital people who
recommended this card as working on Lion before I bought it are clearly
confused about required drivers and what works and doesn't.
So I'm in the market for another eSATA card. 4 ports and port
multiplier. Any recommendations?
Denver Dan
On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 11:16:46 -0400, T Hopkins wrote:
> I use eSATA and FW800 daily connected to Mac Pros. I use the
> standard FW800 bus, Sonnet E2P and the OWC (Newertech) eSATA cards.
> I've measured the throughput performance with both regular and RAID0
> drives on all three connections. These eSATA connections have faster
> sustained throughput than the FW800 connections by roughly 25% when
> using drives that have both connections (OWC, LaCie, GRaid, Fantom).
> The Sonnet and Newertech cards are similar in performance.
>
> Reliable reporting from other users indicates that a full-blown eSATA
> card ($300-400) can achieve throughput speeds 300% faster than FW800
> when using very vast RAID drives, these cheaper cards are clearly
> inferior. However, they are faster than FW800, so I use them.
>
> Another important factor to consider is that more than one FW800
> drives on the same bus drops performance. The sustained throughput
> of a drive in a three drive chain can drop by nearly 30%, even when
> it is operating alone. I don't know why. I just know it's true
> (though some on this list dispute my findings). Since eSATA does not
> chain, there is no direct comparison, but using the two available
> eSATA ports simultaneously shows no measurable drop in performance.
> If you are running more than one drive, it's much faster to use the
> two eSATA ports and one FW800 than to put three FW800 drives on the
> internal bus at the same time.
>
> Mind you, I test ONLY sustained throughput. That's the number I care
> about as a video editor. If sustained throughput does not matter to
> you, the difference in speeds I'm talking about are likely
> inconsequential.
>
> Cheers,
> tod
Thanks for this information, Tod. Since I'm in the market for a new
eSATA card with port multiplier it's useful observations.
I've just sent back a Sans Digital 4 port eSATA card with port
multiplier because it wouldn't work on MacPro with Lion. It's got
jumpers than have to be changed and the Sans Digital people who
recommended this card as working on Lion before I bought it are clearly
confused about required drivers and what works and doesn't.
So I'm in the market for another eSATA card. 4 ports and port
multiplier. Any recommendations?
Denver Dan
On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 11:16:46 -0400, T Hopkins wrote:
> I use eSATA and FW800 daily connected to Mac Pros. I use the
> standard FW800 bus, Sonnet E2P and the OWC (Newertech) eSATA cards.
> I've measured the throughput performance with both regular and RAID0
> drives on all three connections. These eSATA connections have faster
> sustained throughput than the FW800 connections by roughly 25% when
> using drives that have both connections (OWC, LaCie, GRaid, Fantom).
> The Sonnet and Newertech cards are similar in performance.
>
> Reliable reporting from other users indicates that a full-blown eSATA
> card ($300-400) can achieve throughput speeds 300% faster than FW800
> when using very vast RAID drives, these cheaper cards are clearly
> inferior. However, they are faster than FW800, so I use them.
>
> Another important factor to consider is that more than one FW800
> drives on the same bus drops performance. The sustained throughput
> of a drive in a three drive chain can drop by nearly 30%, even when
> it is operating alone. I don't know why. I just know it's true
> (though some on this list dispute my findings). Since eSATA does not
> chain, there is no direct comparison, but using the two available
> eSATA ports simultaneously shows no measurable drop in performance.
> If you are running more than one drive, it's much faster to use the
> two eSATA ports and one FW800 than to put three FW800 drives on the
> internal bus at the same time.
>
> Mind you, I test ONLY sustained throughput. That's the number I care
> about as a video editor. If sustained throughput does not matter to
> you, the difference in speeds I'm talking about are likely
> inconsequential.
>
> Cheers,
> tod
Thu Jul 5, 2012 10:08 am (PDT) . Posted by: "pco98" pco98
Hello all
Have a little debate going round in my head about choosing a MacBook Pro vs MacBook Pro Retina.
At the moment the standard 15" is looking the real performance machine with appropriate modification 2x SSD SATA III RAID 0 internal setup (maxing out at 1000MBs read and 900 MB s write speeds (see http://blog.macsales.com/14263-owc-ssds-make-2012-mbp-15-a-speed-champ ).
And a little down the line for future proofing there is the possibility that it could be upgraded to 32GB once 16GB ram pieces come on the market and then reduce in price a year or so later. The Retina def will not be upgradeable in that regard.
My usage is predominantly for photography (Aperture) and video (Final Cut Pro X) so would benefit from the RAID set up, though I am a serious enthusiast rather than pro in both these categories.
Of course the retina display is gorgeous and having now seen it in store am all the more sold by it. It is also a big selling point for photographers and video editors.
Price is not really a factor in my decision.
Am slightly more towards performance over retina display but it is a pull. Even though I have just looked at the retina display, I am already disappointed with the look of my current display now!
Also thought of the option of Retina plus Thunderbolt external with SSDs but from the reviews I've seen they're not hitting the same potential as the above internal RAID config (could be mistaken on that though)?
Would welcome some debate to help with my decision making process
Many thanks
Ross
Have a little debate going round in my head about choosing a MacBook Pro vs MacBook Pro Retina.
At the moment the standard 15" is looking the real performance machine with appropriate modification 2x SSD SATA III RAID 0 internal setup (maxing out at 1000MBs read and 900 MB s write speeds (see http://blog.
And a little down the line for future proofing there is the possibility that it could be upgraded to 32GB once 16GB ram pieces come on the market and then reduce in price a year or so later. The Retina def will not be upgradeable in that regard.
My usage is predominantly for photography (Aperture) and video (Final Cut Pro X) so would benefit from the RAID set up, though I am a serious enthusiast rather than pro in both these categories.
Of course the retina display is gorgeous and having now seen it in store am all the more sold by it. It is also a big selling point for photographers and video editors.
Price is not really a factor in my decision.
Am slightly more towards performance over retina display but it is a pull. Even though I have just looked at the retina display, I am already disappointed with the look of my current display now!
Also thought of the option of Retina plus Thunderbolt external with SSDs but from the reviews I've seen they're not hitting the same potential as the above internal RAID config (could be mistaken on that though)?
Would welcome some debate to help with my decision making process
Many thanks
Ross
Thu Jul 5, 2012 10:15 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Bill Boulware" boulware0224
I didn't buy either as I have two MB Airs that I rarely use but several
people I know bought the Retina and to quote all of them, "looking at the
screen and using the MBPro Retina you don't really notice anything
spectacular ... until you try and use a different laptop or an older MB Pro
- you can never go back"
If I were in the market for a laptop, I would go for the Retina - HOWEVER,
I purposefully am waiting until at least the next generation because I
don't currently need a laptop and I will be buying a new 27" iMac once they
are refreshed.
Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that
come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:08 PM, pco98 <pco98@excite.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Hello all
>
> Have a little debate going round in my head about choosing a MacBook Pro
> vs MacBook Pro Retina.
>
> At the moment the standard 15" is looking the real performance machine
> with appropriate modification 2x SSD SATA III RAID 0 internal setup (maxing
> out at 1000MBs read and 900 MB s write speeds (see
> http://blog.macsales.com/14263-owc-ssds-make-2012-mbp-15-a-speed-champ ).
>
> And a little down the line for future proofing there is the possibility
> that it could be upgraded to 32GB once 16GB ram pieces come on the market
> and then reduce in price a year or so later. The Retina def will not be
> upgradeable in that regard.
>
> My usage is predominantly for photography (Aperture) and video (Final Cut
> Pro X) so would benefit from the RAID set up, though I am a serious
> enthusiast rather than pro in both these categories.
>
> Of course the retina display is gorgeous and having now seen it in store
> am all the more sold by it. It is also a big selling point for
> photographers and video editors.
>
> Price is not really a factor in my decision.
>
> Am slightly more towards performance over retina display but it is a pull.
> Even though I have just looked at the retina display, I am already
> disappointed with the look of my current display now!
>
> Also thought of the option of Retina plus Thunderbolt external with SSDs
> but from the reviews I've seen they're not hitting the same potential as
> the above internal RAID config (could be mistaken on that though)?
>
> Would welcome some debate to help with my decision making process
>
> Many thanks
>
> Ross
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
people I know bought the Retina and to quote all of them, "looking at the
screen and using the MBPro Retina you don't really notice anything
spectacular ... until you try and use a different laptop or an older MB Pro
- you can never go back"
If I were in the market for a laptop, I would go for the Retina - HOWEVER,
I purposefully am waiting until at least the next generation because I
don't currently need a laptop and I will be buying a new 27" iMac once they
are refreshed.
Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that
come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:08 PM, pco98 <pco98@excite.
> **
>
>
> Hello all
>
> Have a little debate going round in my head about choosing a MacBook Pro
> vs MacBook Pro Retina.
>
> At the moment the standard 15" is looking the real performance machine
> with appropriate modification 2x SSD SATA III RAID 0 internal setup (maxing
> out at 1000MBs read and 900 MB s write speeds (see
> http://blog.
>
> And a little down the line for future proofing there is the possibility
> that it could be upgraded to 32GB once 16GB ram pieces come on the market
> and then reduce in price a year or so later. The Retina def will not be
> upgradeable in that regard.
>
> My usage is predominantly for photography (Aperture) and video (Final Cut
> Pro X) so would benefit from the RAID set up, though I am a serious
> enthusiast rather than pro in both these categories.
>
> Of course the retina display is gorgeous and having now seen it in store
> am all the more sold by it. It is also a big selling point for
> photographers and video editors.
>
> Price is not really a factor in my decision.
>
> Am slightly more towards performance over retina display but it is a pull.
> Even though I have just looked at the retina display, I am already
> disappointed with the look of my current display now!
>
> Also thought of the option of Retina plus Thunderbolt external with SSDs
> but from the reviews I've seen they're not hitting the same potential as
> the above internal RAID config (could be mistaken on that though)?
>
> Would welcome some debate to help with my decision making process
>
> Many thanks
>
> Ross
>
>
>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 10:42 am (PDT) . Posted by: "pco98" pco98
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> I didn't buy either as I have two MB Airs that I rarely use but several
> people I know bought the Retina and to quote all of them, "looking at the
> screen and using the MBPro Retina you don't really notice anything
> spectacular ... until you try and use a different laptop or an older MB Pro
> - you can never go back"
Definitely with you on that Bill and it is a sig reason for taking the reduced performance hit over what is still a smoking machine (would be taking the 500GB SSD)
>
> If I were in the market for a laptop, I would go for the Retina - HOWEVER,
> I purposefully am waiting until at least the next generation because I
> don't currently need a laptop and I will be buying a new 27" iMac once they
> are refreshed.
>
> Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that
> come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
Worked this out below:
Price wise going with US store I'm looking at $3249 plus about $60 for ethernet/FW dongles for a Retina 2.7 ghz with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD.
For modified standard 15" with hi-res matte display 2.7ghz, plus 16GB OWC RAM and 2x 240GB SSD Mercury Extreme 6G plus optical bay adaptor kit I'm looking at more at $3420.
But read/write performance would be doubled with this config.
Thu Jul 5, 2012 11:00 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Bill Boulware" boulware0224
You can't change RAM to OWC you have to Build to order at least on the
Retina it is soldered to the motherboard... Many people changed theirs to
16GB once they discovered this causing some orders to slip from 1-5 days to
3-4 weeks...
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM, pco98 <pco98@excite.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
>
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't buy either as I have two MB Airs that I rarely use but several
> > people I know bought the Retina and to quote all of them, "looking at the
> > screen and using the MBPro Retina you don't really notice anything
> > spectacular ... until you try and use a different laptop or an older MB
> Pro
> > - you can never go back"
>
> Definitely with you on that Bill and it is a sig reason for taking the
> reduced performance hit over what is still a smoking machine (would be
> taking the 500GB SSD)
>
>
> >
> > If I were in the market for a laptop, I would go for the Retina -
> HOWEVER,
> > I purposefully am waiting until at least the next generation because I
> > don't currently need a laptop and I will be buying a new 27" iMac once
> they
> > are refreshed.
> >
> > Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that
> > come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
>
> Worked this out below:
>
> Price wise going with US store I'm looking at $3249 plus about $60 for
> ethernet/FW dongles for a Retina 2.7 ghz with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD.
>
> For modified standard 15" with hi-res matte display 2.7ghz, plus 16GB OWC
> RAM and 2x 240GB SSD Mercury Extreme 6G plus optical bay adaptor kit I'm
> looking at more at $3420.
>
> But read/write performance would be doubled with this config.
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Retina it is soldered to the motherboard.
16GB once they discovered this causing some orders to slip from 1-5 days to
3-4 weeks...
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM, pco98 <pco98@excite.
> **
>
>
>
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@
> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't buy either as I have two MB Airs that I rarely use but several
> > people I know bought the Retina and to quote all of them, "looking at the
> > screen and using the MBPro Retina you don't really notice anything
> > spectacular ... until you try and use a different laptop or an older MB
> Pro
> > - you can never go back"
>
> Definitely with you on that Bill and it is a sig reason for taking the
> reduced performance hit over what is still a smoking machine (would be
> taking the 500GB SSD)
>
>
> >
> > If I were in the market for a laptop, I would go for the Retina -
> HOWEVER,
> > I purposefully am waiting until at least the next generation because I
> > don't currently need a laptop and I will be buying a new 27" iMac once
> they
> > are refreshed.
> >
> > Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that
> > come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
>
> Worked this out below:
>
> Price wise going with US store I'm looking at $3249 plus about $60 for
> ethernet/FW dongles for a Retina 2.7 ghz with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD.
>
> For modified standard 15" with hi-res matte display 2.7ghz, plus 16GB OWC
> RAM and 2x 240GB SSD Mercury Extreme 6G plus optical bay adaptor kit I'm
> looking at more at $3420.
>
> But read/write performance would be doubled with this config.
>
>
>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 11:08 am (PDT) . Posted by: "pco98" pco98
That's the standard MBP I am configuring with OWC RAM, the retina pricing is with the BTO 16GB RAM.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@...> wrote:
>
> You can't change RAM to OWC you have to Build to order at least on the
> Retina it is soldered to the motherboard... Many people changed theirs to
> 16GB once they discovered this causing some orders to slip from 1-5 days to
> 3-4 weeks...
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM, pco98 <pco98@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I didn't buy either as I have two MB Airs that I rarely use but several
> > > people I know bought the Retina and to quote all of them, "looking at the
> > > screen and using the MBPro Retina you don't really notice anything
> > > spectacular ... until you try and use a different laptop or an older MB
> > Pro
> > > - you can never go back"
> >
> > Definitely with you on that Bill and it is a sig reason for taking the
> > reduced performance hit over what is still a smoking machine (would be
> > taking the 500GB SSD)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > If I were in the market for a laptop, I would go for the Retina -
> > HOWEVER,
> > > I purposefully am waiting until at least the next generation because I
> > > don't currently need a laptop and I will be buying a new 27" iMac once
> > they
> > > are refreshed.
> > >
> > > Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that
> > > come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
> >
> > Worked this out below:
> >
> > Price wise going with US store I'm looking at $3249 plus about $60 for
> > ethernet/FW dongles for a Retina 2.7 ghz with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD.
> >
> > For modified standard 15" with hi-res matte display 2.7ghz, plus 16GB OWC
> > RAM and 2x 240GB SSD Mercury Extreme 6G plus optical bay adaptor kit I'm
> > looking at more at $3420.
> >
> > But read/write performance would be doubled with this config.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> You can't change RAM to OWC you have to Build to order at least on the
> Retina it is soldered to the motherboard.
> 16GB once they discovered this causing some orders to slip from 1-5 days to
> 3-4 weeks...
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM, pco98 <pco98@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In macsupportcentral@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I didn't buy either as I have two MB Airs that I rarely use but several
> > > people I know bought the Retina and to quote all of them, "looking at the
> > > screen and using the MBPro Retina you don't really notice anything
> > > spectacular ... until you try and use a different laptop or an older MB
> > Pro
> > > - you can never go back"
> >
> > Definitely with you on that Bill and it is a sig reason for taking the
> > reduced performance hit over what is still a smoking machine (would be
> > taking the 500GB SSD)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > If I were in the market for a laptop, I would go for the Retina -
> > HOWEVER,
> > > I purposefully am waiting until at least the next generation because I
> > > don't currently need a laptop and I will be buying a new 27" iMac once
> > they
> > > are refreshed.
> > >
> > > Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that
> > > come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
> >
> > Worked this out below:
> >
> > Price wise going with US store I'm looking at $3249 plus about $60 for
> > ethernet/FW dongles for a Retina 2.7 ghz with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD.
> >
> > For modified standard 15" with hi-res matte display 2.7ghz, plus 16GB OWC
> > RAM and 2x 240GB SSD Mercury Extreme 6G plus optical bay adaptor kit I'm
> > looking at more at $3420.
> >
> > But read/write performance would be doubled with this config.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Thu Jul 5, 2012 11:08 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
I didn't realise that. So it's like the MB Air in that respect: you have to
specify extra RAM when you order it, with no option to use third-party RAM
later?
(And you can't upgrade the flash memory after purchase either as it's
soldered in, not actual SSDs.)
Otto
On 5 July 2012 19:00, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@gmail.com > wrote:
> You can't change RAM to OWC you have to Build to order at least on the
> Retina it is soldered to the motherboard... Many people changed theirs to
> 16GB once they discovered this causing some orders to slip from 1-5 days to
> 3-4 weeks...
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
specify extra RAM when you order it, with no option to use third-party RAM
later?
(And you can't upgrade the flash memory after purchase either as it's
soldered in, not actual SSDs.)
Otto
On 5 July 2012 19:00, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@
> You can't change RAM to OWC you have to Build to order at least on the
> Retina it is soldered to the motherboard.
> 16GB once they discovered this causing some orders to slip from 1-5 days to
> 3-4 weeks...
>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 11:14 am (PDT) . Posted by: "pco98" pco98
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> I didn't realise that. So it's like the MB Air in that respect: you have to
> specify extra RAM when you order it, with no option to use third-party RAM
> later?
Correct
>
> (And you can't upgrade the flash memory after purchase either as it's
> soldered in, not actual SSDs.)
>
Not quite right there, it uses a connection clip somewhat similar to the 2012 MacBook Airs. OWC are looking into an equivalent of their Aura Express Pro which allowed storage upgrades on the 2011 MacBook Airs for the the new 2012 Mac Airs/Retinas.
>
> On 5 July 2012 19:00, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@
>
> > You can't change RAM to OWC you have to Build to order at least on the
> > Retina it is soldered to the motherboard.
> > 16GB once they discovered this causing some orders to slip from 1-5 days to
> > 3-4 weeks...
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Thu Jul 5, 2012 11:53 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 5 July 2012 19:14, pco98 <pco98@excite.com > wrote:
>
> >
> Not quite right there, it uses a connection clip somewhat similar to the
> 2012 MacBook Airs. OWC are looking into an equivalent of their Aura Express
> Pro which allowed storage upgrades on the 2011 MacBook Airs for the the new
> 2012 Mac Airs/Retinas.
>
Thanks. All good info.
Otto
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
> Not quite right there, it uses a connection clip somewhat similar to the
> 2012 MacBook Airs. OWC are looking into an equivalent of their Aura Express
> Pro which allowed storage upgrades on the 2011 MacBook Airs for the the new
> 2012 Mac Airs/Retinas.
>
Thanks. All good info.
Otto
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> Have a little debate going round in my head about choosing a MacBook Pro vs MacBook Pro Retina.
>
> At the moment the standard 15" is looking the real performance machine with appropriate modification 2x SSD SATA III RAID 0 internal setup (maxing out at 1000MBs read and 900 MB s write speeds (see http://blog.macsales.com/14263-owc-ssds-make-2012-mbp-15-a-speed-champ ).
>
> And a little down the line for future proofing there is the possibility that it could be upgraded to 32GB once 16GB ram pieces come on the market and then reduce in price a year or so later. The Retina def will not be upgradeable in that regard.
>
> My usage is predominantly for photography (Aperture) and video (Final Cut Pro X) so would benefit from the RAID set up, though I am a serious enthusiast rather than pro in both these categories.
First, I will be upgrading from a 2.8 GHz Core2Duo, so either machine will be so much faster that I hardly think I would notice any difference between them.
That said, I am primarily looking at the Retina:
1. Because I've been a photog for 50+ years (doing a little video for a lot less time), and expect that display to make a significant difference.
2. At 67 I am looking forward to a thinner, lighter notebook.
3. The optical drive is the component most likely to fail in a notebook, and has failed in the one I'm using, once or twice (DOA, in fact, from the factory).
4. All I use the optical drive for is loading the digital copy of a purchased movie onto my computer, and (very rarely these days) installing new software. I would get an external for these purposes.
5. I would much rather get a newer-technology machine early in its product life-span than get the last model of the old generation.
I am NOT concerned about the non-repairability of the Retina machine -- because (a) is has almost no moving parts to fail, and (b) if you bring it in with a problem during the period of the AppleCare warranty that you should CERTAINLY get, they will pretty much have to swap it out for a new or refurbished one.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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>
> At the moment the standard 15" is looking the real performance machine with appropriate modification 2x SSD SATA III RAID 0 internal setup (maxing out at 1000MBs read and 900 MB s write speeds (see http://blog.
>
> And a little down the line for future proofing there is the possibility that it could be upgraded to 32GB once 16GB ram pieces come on the market and then reduce in price a year or so later. The Retina def will not be upgradeable in that regard.
>
> My usage is predominantly for photography (Aperture) and video (Final Cut Pro X) so would benefit from the RAID set up, though I am a serious enthusiast rather than pro in both these categories.
First, I will be upgrading from a 2.8 GHz Core2Duo, so either machine will be so much faster that I hardly think I would notice any difference between them.
That said, I am primarily looking at the Retina:
1. Because I've been a photog for 50+ years (doing a little video for a lot less time), and expect that display to make a significant difference.
2. At 67 I am looking forward to a thinner, lighter notebook.
3. The optical drive is the component most likely to fail in a notebook, and has failed in the one I'm using, once or twice (DOA, in fact, from the factory).
4. All I use the optical drive for is loading the digital copy of a purchased movie onto my computer, and (very rarely these days) installing new software. I would get an external for these purposes.
5. I would much rather get a newer-technology machine early in its product life-span than get the last model of the old generation.
I am NOT concerned about the non-repairability of the Retina machine -- because (a) is has almost no moving parts to fail, and (b) if you bring it in with a problem during the period of the AppleCare warranty that you should CERTAINLY get, they will pretty much have to swap it out for a new or refurbished one.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
US Store:
$3078 for a 2.6GHz Retina, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Superdrive
$3199 for a 2.6GHz non-Retina, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display
And if you want a 2nd SSD, that's extra.
--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
US Store:
$3078 for a 2.6GHz Retina, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Superdrive
$3199 for a 2.6GHz non-Retina, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display
And if you want a 2nd SSD, that's extra.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that
>> come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
>
> Worked this out below:
>
> Price wise going with US store I'm looking at $3249 plus about $60 for ethernet/FW dongles for a Retina 2.7 ghz with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD.
>
> For modified standard 15" with hi-res matte display 2.7ghz, plus 16GB OWC RAM and 2x 240GB SSD Mercury Extreme 6G plus optical bay adaptor kit I'm looking at more at $3420.
I couldn't see spending an extra $250 to go from 2.6GHz to 2.7 -- a 3.8% gain.
--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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>> come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
>
> Worked this out below:
>
> Price wise going with US store I'm looking at $3249 plus about $60 for ethernet/FW dongles for a Retina 2.7 ghz with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD.
>
> For modified standard 15" with hi-res matte display 2.7ghz, plus 16GB OWC RAM and 2x 240GB SSD Mercury Extreme 6G plus optical bay adaptor kit I'm looking at more at $3420.
I couldn't see spending an extra $250 to go from 2.6GHz to 2.7 -- a 3.8% gain.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> You can't change RAM to OWC you have to Build to order at least on the
> Retina it is soldered to the motherboard...
He did say adding OWC RAM to the "standard 15" (see below).
However, since ordering an 8GB machine gets you 2 4GB sticks, and not 1 8GB stick and an empty slot, it will currently cost $169 to OWC-upgrade to 16GB (and have 2 leftover 4GB sticks), whereas having Apple send you a 16GB machine will cost $200 more instead of $169. And if there's ever a RAM problem, Apple will take care of it.
>> For modified standard 15" with hi-res matte display 2.7ghz, plus 16GB OWC
>> RAM and 2x 240GB SSD Mercury Extreme 6G plus optical bay adaptor kit I'm
>> looking at more at $3420.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
> Retina it is soldered to the motherboard.
He did say adding OWC RAM to the "standard 15" (see below).
However, since ordering an 8GB machine gets you 2 4GB sticks, and not 1 8GB stick and an empty slot, it will currently cost $169 to OWC-upgrade to 16GB (and have 2 leftover 4GB sticks), whereas having Apple send you a 16GB machine will cost $200 more instead of $169. And if there's ever a RAM problem, Apple will take care of it.
>> For modified standard 15" with hi-res matte display 2.7ghz, plus 16GB OWC
>> RAM and 2x 240GB SSD Mercury Extreme 6G plus optical bay adaptor kit I'm
>> looking at more at $3420.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "pco98" pco98
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> > Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
>
> US Store:
> $3078 for a 2.6GHz Retina, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Superdrive
> $3199 for a 2.6GHz non-Retina, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display
>
> And if you want a 2nd SSD, that's extra.
>
Something which is not even an option for the Retina and it does lead to a striped RAID config, doubling read/write speeds. Cash well spent.
And the possibility of 32GB ram in a few years time.
Do like your other posts and yes am still teetering on the retina side.
Thu Jul 5, 2012 10:16 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 5 July 2012 01:08, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com > wrote:
>
> Well, I've been studying CSS a lot lately, which makes me only too well
> aware of the difference that a missing or added character can make. No, I
> know my limitations, and copied and pasted the commands.
>
> Well, I have File Sharing on, if that's what you mean. I believe my issue
> has been in trying to set up Port Forwarding in Airport Utility. I think I
> have it right, but it keeps Not Working when I use an FTP client on my
> Windows computer at work. And I do have the Firewall set to accept the
> traffic.
>
> Except for Port forwarding. Yes, I do regular file sharing all the time.
>
Does FTP work at home? That should rule out lots of things to check.
Otto
>
> Daly
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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>
> Well, I've been studying CSS a lot lately, which makes me only too well
> aware of the difference that a missing or added character can make. No, I
> know my limitations, and copied and pasted the commands.
>
> Well, I have File Sharing on, if that's what you mean. I believe my issue
> has been in trying to set up Port Forwarding in Airport Utility. I think I
> have it right, but it keeps Not Working when I use an FTP client on my
> Windows computer at work. And I do have the Firewall set to accept the
> traffic.
>
> Except for Port forwarding. Yes, I do regular file sharing all the time.
>
Does FTP work at home? That should rule out lots of things to check.
Otto
>
> Daly
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 10:33 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Yes, but why would the MB Air not work with ethernet?
Otto
On 5 July 2012 13:44, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> You can try moving the AirPort Extreme base station after checking to
> see if there might be metal between it and the garden.
>
> Or, you can check for a gadget called a WiFi Extender, or, WiFi range
> extender. It's a gadget you install closer to the garden location. It
> receives the AirPort base station signal and boosts it to give it
> greater range.
>
> These are made by a lot of companies but Netgear makes at least one
> type.
>
> You might also want to check into the new WiFi speed protocol that just
> came out in May. It's not yet seen in a lot of WiFi base stations.
> It's called 802.11ac and also is said to have the ability to "beam" a
> WiFi signal in a specific direction. I don't know if this would solve
> the range issue for you but it's worth looking into. As for the speed
> of 802.11ac, you would have to have new WiFi cards with the 802.11ac
> speed capability otherwise the device would still receive at the
> 802.11n speed.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Don't worry about folks getting a little irritated occasionally.
> Internet/email has the odd knack of amplifying things out of all
> proportion. This is generally a very civilized bunch as members of
> MacSupportCentral.
>
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Otto
On 5 July 2012 13:44, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> Howdy.
>
> You can try moving the AirPort Extreme base station after checking to
> see if there might be metal between it and the garden.
>
> Or, you can check for a gadget called a WiFi Extender, or, WiFi range
> extender. It's a gadget you install closer to the garden location. It
> receives the AirPort base station signal and boosts it to give it
> greater range.
>
> These are made by a lot of companies but Netgear makes at least one
> type.
>
> You might also want to check into the new WiFi speed protocol that just
> came out in May. It's not yet seen in a lot of WiFi base stations.
> It's called 802.11ac and also is said to have the ability to "beam" a
> WiFi signal in a specific direction. I don't know if this would solve
> the range issue for you but it's worth looking into. As for the speed
> of 802.11ac, you would have to have new WiFi cards with the 802.11ac
> speed capability otherwise the device would still receive at the
> 802.11n speed.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Don't worry about folks getting a little irritated occasionally.
> Internet/email has the odd knack of amplifying things out of all
> proportion. This is generally a very civilized bunch as members of
> MacSupportCentral.
>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:20 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "N.A. Nada"
I got the below from Apple on July 2nd. I am not speaking of iWork, the application suite, I am speaking of iWork.com the web site. Let me know if it does not come through, but it seems to be text on my end, and not a graphic image.
I hate it when Apple over uses a name and confuses everyone.
Brent
Dear iWork.com user,
Thanks for participating in the iWork.com public beta.
Last year, we launched iCloud, a service that stores your music, photos, documents, and more and wirelessly pushes them to all your devices. Today, there are already over 40 million documents stored on iCloud by millions of iWork customers. Learn more about iCloud.
With a new way to share iWork documents between your devices using iCloud, the iWork.compublic beta service will no longer be available. As of July 31, 2012, you will no longer be able to access your documents on the iWork.com site or view them on the web.
We recommend that you sign in to iWork.com before July 31, 2012, and download all your documents to your computer. For detailed instructions on how to save a copy of your documents on your computer, read this support article at Apple.com.
Sincerely,
The iWork team
Terms of Service / iWork.com Support / Forgot your password?
iWork sold separately.
TM and copyright © 2012 Apple Inc. 1 Infinite Loop, MS 96-DM, Cupertino, CA 95014.
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If you prefer not to receive commercial email from Apple, or if you've changed your email address, please click here.
On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:
N.A. Nada wrote:
> iWorks, which was a beta, goes away the end of July. Copy anything you have there to your Mac or lose it.
This is certainly the first time I've heard of that. Do you have a reference?
> Documents are counted against the free 5 GB. Mail, Calendar, (Address Book ?) or iTunes stuff are not counted against the 5 GB of space. Apple has made it confusing as to what counts against the free 5GB.
>
> But iWorks goes away at the end of July.
Sounds to me as though your 5GB of storage is for Documents, then. I heard a rumor that they might include MS Office docs one of these days.
But iWorks going away? Can you please expand on that statement?
Daly
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I hate it when Apple over uses a name and confuses everyone.
Brent
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On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:
N.A. Nada wrote:
> iWorks, which was a beta, goes away the end of July. Copy anything you have there to your Mac or lose it.
This is certainly the first time I've heard of that. Do you have a reference?
> Documents are counted against the free 5 GB. Mail, Calendar, (Address Book ?) or iTunes stuff are not counted against the 5 GB of space. Apple has made it confusing as to what counts against the free 5GB.
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> But iWorks goes away at the end of July.
Sounds to me as though your 5GB of storage is for Documents, then. I heard a rumor that they might include MS Office docs one of these days.
But iWorks going away? Can you please expand on that statement?
Daly
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "N.A. Nada"
Calm down Daly.
Since the thread was about mac.com, and iCloud, and you were talking about iWork documents stored on the web, I was talking about, and I even said it was a beta, hint, hint, the web site. That is why I said copy it or lose it.
When I responded just minutes ago, it seemed you were talking about the apps and so I made it very clear in my reply I was talking about the site.
Brent
On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:
On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
> On 05/07/12 13:49, Daly Jessup wrote:
>> But iWorks going away? Can you please expand on that statement?#
>
> Did you bother to try your own research ? Its not hard to find hundreds
> of references on the web, e.g.
>
> http://www.apple.com/iwork/iwork-dot-com/
>
> Also, if you are requested yo would have received an email or two about
> it. I certainly did.
You know, the rudeness level of this list has reached a whole new low. Not that anyone cares, but I will instantly unsubscribe the next time I see a post with this kind of attitude.
Of course I got those notices. I had understood him to be saying that iWork itself is going away. I did not understand that he was talking about a Cloud service for iWork. Notice that he said iWork is going away, not that "iwork.com" or "iwork-dot-com." (Actually, what he said was "iWorks" was going away, though of course there is no product of that name at all.) So I misunderstood his reference.
As for your rude implication that I didn't bother to do my own research, I did. And I could find no reference that "iWork" OR "iWorks" was going away. Which it isn't. And I spend a shockingly large amount of time googling things for other people who write to various lists without doing their own research, and I seldom find it necessary to even mention it.
Daly
Since the thread was about mac.com, and iCloud, and you were talking about iWork documents stored on the web, I was talking about, and I even said it was a beta, hint, hint, the web site. That is why I said copy it or lose it.
When I responded just minutes ago, it seemed you were talking about the apps and so I made it very clear in my reply I was talking about the site.
Brent
On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:
On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
> On 05/07/12 13:49, Daly Jessup wrote:
>> But iWorks going away? Can you please expand on that statement?#
>
> Did you bother to try your own research ? Its not hard to find hundreds
> of references on the web, e.g.
>
> http://www.apple.
>
> Also, if you are requested yo would have received an email or two about
> it. I certainly did.
You know, the rudeness level of this list has reached a whole new low. Not that anyone cares, but I will instantly unsubscribe the next time I see a post with this kind of attitude.
Of course I got those notices. I had understood him to be saying that iWork itself is going away. I did not understand that he was talking about a Cloud service for iWork. Notice that he said iWork is going away, not that "iwork.com" or "iwork-dot-com.
As for your rude implication that I didn't bother to do my own research, I did. And I could find no reference that "iWork" OR "iWorks" was going away. Which it isn't. And I spend a shockingly large amount of time googling things for other people who write to various lists without doing their own research, and I seldom find it necessary to even mention it.
Daly
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