18 New Messages
Digest #8982
| 1a Re: MBP vs MBPR by "pco98" pco98 1b Re: MBP vs MBPR by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 1c Re: MBP vs MBPR by "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01 2a Re: Wired connection to Airport Extreme by "davidpriceuk" davidpriceuk 2b Re: Wired connection to Airport Extreme by "N.A. Nada" 2c Re: Wired connection to Airport Extreme by "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf 2d Re: Wired connection to Airport Extreme by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen 2e Re: Wired connection to Airport Extreme by "pat412255" pat412255 3.1 Re: Back to my Mac without iCloud by "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au 4a Re: [macsupport] eSATAs for "Consumer" iMacs by "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen 5a Ethernet plug won't unplug by "Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog 5b Re: Ethernet plug won't unplug by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180 5c Re: Ethernet plug won't unplug by "Ardell Faul" computer_monitor_service_company 5d Re: Ethernet plug won't unplug by "Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog 5e Re: Ethernet plug won't unplug by "Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue 5f Re: Ethernet plug won't unplug by "Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski 6a Re: non-wireless router by "Donna Ells" dellis551 7a Re: [macsupport] eSATAs for "Consumer" iMacs by "T Hopkins" todhop |
Thu Jul 5, 2012 1:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "pco98" pco98
Would be silly to upgrade the Standard MacBook with HDD using an Apple SSD. Overpriced and under-perform in comparison to OWC SSDs. $900 vs $659 for 500GB option.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Jim Saklad <jimdoc@...> wrote:
>
> > Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
>
> US Store:
> $3078 for a 2.6GHz Retina, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Superdrive
> $3199 for a 2.6GHz non-Retina, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display
>
> And if you want a 2nd SSD, that's extra.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@...
>
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> > Finally, if you spec out a MB Pro to include SSD, RAM, graphics, etc that come standard on the Retina it is almost as much ...
>
> US Store:
> $3078 for a 2.6GHz Retina, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Superdrive
> $3199 for a 2.6GHz non-Retina, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display
>
> And if you want a 2nd SSD, that's extra.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@
>
Thu Jul 5, 2012 4:46 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 5 July 2012 20:44, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
> > You can't change RAM to OWC you have to Build to order at least on the
> > Retina it is soldered to the motherboard...
>
> He did say adding OWC RAM to the "standard 15" (see below).
>
> However, since ordering an 8GB machine gets you 2 4GB sticks, and not 1
> 8GB stick and an empty slot, it will currently cost $169 to OWC-upgrade to
> 16GB (and have 2 leftover 4GB sticks), whereas having Apple send you a 16GB
> machine will cost $200 more instead of $169. And if there's ever a RAM
> problem, Apple will take care of it.
>
But you have RAM you could sell on. Apple's pricing for BTO upgrades isn't
as bad as it has been at various times but it's still pretty bad.
Otto
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> > You can't change RAM to OWC you have to Build to order at least on the
> > Retina it is soldered to the motherboard.
>
> He did say adding OWC RAM to the "standard 15" (see below).
>
> However, since ordering an 8GB machine gets you 2 4GB sticks, and not 1
> 8GB stick and an empty slot, it will currently cost $169 to OWC-upgrade to
> 16GB (and have 2 leftover 4GB sticks), whereas having Apple send you a 16GB
> machine will cost $200 more instead of $169. And if there's ever a RAM
> problem, Apple will take care of it.
>
But you have RAM you could sell on. Apple's pricing for BTO upgrades isn't
as bad as it has been at various times but it's still pretty bad.
Otto
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 8:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> However, since ordering an 8GB machine gets you 2 4GB sticks, and not 18GB stick and an empty slot, it will currently cost $169 to OWC-upgrade to16GB (and have 2 leftover 4GB sticks), whereas having Apple send you a 16GBmachine will cost $200 more instead of $169. And if there's ever a RAMproblem, Apple will take care of it.
>
> But you have RAM you could sell on.
Not for much....
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
>
> But you have RAM you could sell on.
Not for much....
--
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com
Thu Jul 5, 2012 1:47 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "davidpriceuk" davidpriceuk
The answer to that is simple, as it turns out. I tried everything I could think of and then checked the most obvious thing: the "ethernet bridge" that transfers the signal along the domestic electricity supply line. These are often fairly flaky, and I just swapped them round and it started working again.
There are some fairly thick walls in our old house (about 1870s) and the signal from the Airport Extreme just reaches into the conservatory at the back of the house with an "average" signal (everywhere else is "excellent"). I think that rather than relying on the ethernet bridges I'll try extending the wireless range, so thanks for your suggestions.
One thing I don't understand is the channels settings. They both default to "automatic" but I think I read somewhere that's not necessarily ideal. Would you advise changing these at all? Is it a matter of experimenting?
David
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, but why would the MB Air not work with ethernet?
>
> Otto
>
> On 5 July 2012 13:44, Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> > Howdy.
> >
> > You can try moving the AirPort Extreme base station after checking to
> > see if there might be metal between it and the garden.
> >
> > Or, you can check for a gadget called a WiFi Extender, or, WiFi range
> > extender. It's a gadget you install closer to the garden location. It
> > receives the AirPort base station signal and boosts it to give it
> > greater range.
> >
> > These are made by a lot of companies but Netgear makes at least one
> > type.
> >
> > You might also want to check into the new WiFi speed protocol that just
> > came out in May. It's not yet seen in a lot of WiFi base stations.
> > It's called 802.11ac and also is said to have the ability to "beam" a
> > WiFi signal in a specific direction. I don't know if this would solve
> > the range issue for you but it's worth looking into. As for the speed
> > of 802.11ac, you would have to have new WiFi cards with the 802.11ac
> > speed capability otherwise the device would still receive at the
> > 802.11n speed.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Don't worry about folks getting a little irritated occasionally.
> > Internet/email has the odd knack of amplifying things out of all
> > proportion. This is generally a very civilized bunch as members of
> > MacSupportCentral.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
There are some fairly thick walls in our old house (about 1870s) and the signal from the Airport Extreme just reaches into the conservatory at the back of the house with an "average" signal (everywhere else is "excellent")
One thing I don't understand is the channels settings. They both default to "automatic" but I think I read somewhere that's not necessarily ideal. Would you advise changing these at all? Is it a matter of experimenting?
David
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Yes, but why would the MB Air not work with ethernet?
>
> Otto
>
> On 5 July 2012 13:44, Denver Dan <denver.dan@
>
> > Howdy.
> >
> > You can try moving the AirPort Extreme base station after checking to
> > see if there might be metal between it and the garden.
> >
> > Or, you can check for a gadget called a WiFi Extender, or, WiFi range
> > extender. It's a gadget you install closer to the garden location. It
> > receives the AirPort base station signal and boosts it to give it
> > greater range.
> >
> > These are made by a lot of companies but Netgear makes at least one
> > type.
> >
> > You might also want to check into the new WiFi speed protocol that just
> > came out in May. It's not yet seen in a lot of WiFi base stations.
> > It's called 802.11ac and also is said to have the ability to "beam" a
> > WiFi signal in a specific direction. I don't know if this would solve
> > the range issue for you but it's worth looking into. As for the speed
> > of 802.11ac, you would have to have new WiFi cards with the 802.11ac
> > speed capability otherwise the device would still receive at the
> > 802.11n speed.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Don't worry about folks getting a little irritated occasionally.
> > Internet/email has the odd knack of amplifying things out of all
> > proportion. This is generally a very civilized bunch as members of
> > MacSupportCentral.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "N.A. Nada"
David,
I'm glad you got it solved, but next time mention the thick walls, especially stone or masonry, as they can stop WiFi. Metal like a refrigerator, or cast iron tub, a large silvered mirror, and even the wire mess in new (since the early 1900's) stucco walls can stop radio waves. Even enough 2x4 wooden wall studs can stop WiFi. For example, a base station on one side of a wall, can not sent a signal to a computer on the wall if the two are 35 feet apart, if both are inches from the wall. That is like trying to send the WiFi through 4 feet of wood. Move the two some inches farther from the common wall, and the signal can get through, as you have reduced the relative thickness of the wood to just over a single foot.
You also did not make it clear you were using Ethernet over power lines. That is not commonly used on this side of the pond, but a good solution for stone or masonry walls.
Again, I'm glad you have it sorted out.
Brent
On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:47 PM, davidpriceuk wrote:
The answer to that is simple, as it turns out. I tried everything I could think of and then checked the most obvious thing: the "ethernet bridge" that transfers the signal along the domestic electricity supply line. These are often fairly flaky, and I just swapped them round and it started working again.
There are some fairly thick walls in our old house (about 1870s) and the signal from the Airport Extreme just reaches into the conservatory at the back of the house with an "average" signal (everywhere else is "excellent"). I think that rather than relying on the ethernet bridges I'll try extending the wireless range, so thanks for your suggestions.
One thing I don't understand is the channels settings. They both default to "automatic" but I think I read somewhere that's not necessarily ideal. Would you advise changing these at all? Is it a matter of experimenting?
David
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, but why would the MB Air not work with ethernet?
>
> Otto
>
> On 5 July 2012 13:44, Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> > Howdy.
> >
> > You can try moving the AirPort Extreme base station after checking to
> > see if there might be metal between it and the garden.
> >
> > Or, you can check for a gadget called a WiFi Extender, or, WiFi range
> > extender. It's a gadget you install closer to the garden location. It
> > receives the AirPort base station signal and boosts it to give it
> > greater range.
> >
> > These are made by a lot of companies but Netgear makes at least one
> > type.
> >
> > You might also want to check into the new WiFi speed protocol that just
> > came out in May. It's not yet seen in a lot of WiFi base stations.
> > It's called 802.11ac and also is said to have the ability to "beam" a
> > WiFi signal in a specific direction. I don't know if this would solve
> > the range issue for you but it's worth looking into. As for the speed
> > of 802.11ac, you would have to have new WiFi cards with the 802.11ac
> > speed capability otherwise the device would still receive at the
> > 802.11n speed.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Don't worry about folks getting a little irritated occasionally.
> > Internet/email has the odd knack of amplifying things out of all
> > proportion. This is generally a very civilized bunch as members of
> > MacSupportCentral.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I'm glad you got it solved, but next time mention the thick walls, especially stone or masonry, as they can stop WiFi. Metal like a refrigerator, or cast iron tub, a large silvered mirror, and even the wire mess in new (since the early 1900's) stucco walls can stop radio waves. Even enough 2x4 wooden wall studs can stop WiFi. For example, a base station on one side of a wall, can not sent a signal to a computer on the wall if the two are 35 feet apart, if both are inches from the wall. That is like trying to send the WiFi through 4 feet of wood. Move the two some inches farther from the common wall, and the signal can get through, as you have reduced the relative thickness of the wood to just over a single foot.
You also did not make it clear you were using Ethernet over power lines. That is not commonly used on this side of the pond, but a good solution for stone or masonry walls.
Again, I'm glad you have it sorted out.
Brent
On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:47 PM, davidpriceuk wrote:
The answer to that is simple, as it turns out. I tried everything I could think of and then checked the most obvious thing: the "ethernet bridge" that transfers the signal along the domestic electricity supply line. These are often fairly flaky, and I just swapped them round and it started working again.
There are some fairly thick walls in our old house (about 1870s) and the signal from the Airport Extreme just reaches into the conservatory at the back of the house with an "average" signal (everywhere else is "excellent")
One thing I don't understand is the channels settings. They both default to "automatic" but I think I read somewhere that's not necessarily ideal. Would you advise changing these at all? Is it a matter of experimenting?
David
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Yes, but why would the MB Air not work with ethernet?
>
> Otto
>
> On 5 July 2012 13:44, Denver Dan <denver.dan@
>
> > Howdy.
> >
> > You can try moving the AirPort Extreme base station after checking to
> > see if there might be metal between it and the garden.
> >
> > Or, you can check for a gadget called a WiFi Extender, or, WiFi range
> > extender. It's a gadget you install closer to the garden location. It
> > receives the AirPort base station signal and boosts it to give it
> > greater range.
> >
> > These are made by a lot of companies but Netgear makes at least one
> > type.
> >
> > You might also want to check into the new WiFi speed protocol that just
> > came out in May. It's not yet seen in a lot of WiFi base stations.
> > It's called 802.11ac and also is said to have the ability to "beam" a
> > WiFi signal in a specific direction. I don't know if this would solve
> > the range issue for you but it's worth looking into. As for the speed
> > of 802.11ac, you would have to have new WiFi cards with the 802.11ac
> > speed capability otherwise the device would still receive at the
> > 802.11n speed.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Don't worry about folks getting a little irritated occasionally.
> > Internet/email has the odd knack of amplifying things out of all
> > proportion. This is generally a very civilized bunch as members of
> > MacSupportCentral.
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
So the ethernet cable has not been directly plugged into the AirPort
router? That info would have been useful.
Wi-Fi channels are worth checking now that Wi-Fi routers are becoming so
common. Try AirGrab WiFi Radar.
<http://www.airgrab.com/AirGrab_WiFi_Radar/ >
Otto
On 5 July 2012 21:47, davidpriceuk <dprice@fireflyuk.net > wrote:
> The answer to that is simple, as it turns out. I tried everything I could
> think of and then checked the most obvious thing: the "ethernet bridge"
> that transfers the signal along the domestic electricity supply line. These
> are often fairly flaky, and I just swapped them round and it started
> working again.
>
> There are some fairly thick walls in our old house (about 1870s) and the
> signal from the Airport Extreme just reaches into the conservatory at the
> back of the house with an "average" signal (everywhere else is
> "excellent"). I think that rather than relying on the ethernet bridges I'll
> try extending the wireless range, so thanks for your suggestions.
>
> One thing I don't understand is the channels settings. They both default
> to "automatic" but I think I read somewhere that's not necessarily ideal.
> Would you advise changing these at all? Is it a matter of experimenting?
>
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router? That info would have been useful.
Wi-Fi channels are worth checking now that Wi-Fi routers are becoming so
common. Try AirGrab WiFi Radar.
<http://www.airgrab.
Otto
On 5 July 2012 21:47, davidpriceuk <dprice@fireflyuk.
> The answer to that is simple, as it turns out. I tried everything I could
> think of and then checked the most obvious thing: the "ethernet bridge"
> that transfers the signal along the domestic electricity supply line. These
> are often fairly flaky, and I just swapped them round and it started
> working again.
>
> There are some fairly thick walls in our old house (about 1870s) and the
> signal from the Airport Extreme just reaches into the conservatory at the
> back of the house with an "average" signal (everywhere else is
> "excellent")
> try extending the wireless range, so thanks for your suggestions.
>
> One thing I don't understand is the channels settings. They both default
> to "automatic" but I think I read somewhere that's not necessarily ideal.
> Would you advise changing these at all? Is it a matter of experimenting?
>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
indeed.
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 5, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> So the ethernet cable has not been directly plugged into the AirPort
> router? That info would have been useful.
>
> Wi-Fi channels are worth checking now that Wi-Fi routers are
> becoming so
> common. Try AirGrab WiFi Radar.
> <http://www.airgrab.com/AirGrab_WiFi_Radar/ >
>
> Otto
>
> On 5 July 2012 21:47, davidpriceuk <dprice@fireflyuk.net > wrote:
>
>> The answer to that is simple, as it turns out. I tried everything I
>> could
>> think of and then checked the most obvious thing: the "ethernet
>> bridge"
>> that transfers the signal along the domestic electricity supply
>> line. These
>> are often fairly flaky, and I just swapped them round and it started
>> working again.
>>
>> There are some fairly thick walls in our old house (about 1870s)
>> and the
>> signal from the Airport Extreme just reaches into the conservatory
>> at the
>> back of the house with an "average" signal (everywhere else is
>> "excellent"). I think that rather than relying on the ethernet
>> bridges I'll
>> try extending the wireless range, so thanks for your suggestions.
>>
>> One thing I don't understand is the channels settings. They both
>> default
>> to "automatic" but I think I read somewhere that's not necessarily
>> ideal.
>> Would you advise changing these at all? Is it a matter of
>> experimenting?
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 5, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> So the ethernet cable has not been directly plugged into the AirPort
> router? That info would have been useful.
>
> Wi-Fi channels are worth checking now that Wi-Fi routers are
> becoming so
> common. Try AirGrab WiFi Radar.
> <http://www.airgrab.
>
> Otto
>
> On 5 July 2012 21:47, davidpriceuk <dprice@fireflyuk.
>
>> The answer to that is simple, as it turns out. I tried everything I
>> could
>> think of and then checked the most obvious thing: the "ethernet
>> bridge"
>> that transfers the signal along the domestic electricity supply
>> line. These
>> are often fairly flaky, and I just swapped them round and it started
>> working again.
>>
>> There are some fairly thick walls in our old house (about 1870s)
>> and the
>> signal from the Airport Extreme just reaches into the conservatory
>> at the
>> back of the house with an "average" signal (everywhere else is
>> "excellent")
>> bridges I'll
>> try extending the wireless range, so thanks for your suggestions.
>>
>> One thing I don't understand is the channels settings. They both
>> default
>> to "automatic" but I think I read somewhere that's not necessarily
>> ideal.
>> Would you advise changing these at all? Is it a matter of
>> experimenting?
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Thu Jul 5, 2012 6:56 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "pat412255" pat412255
I use the Airport Express to extend my network on my rural property & the setup has worked flawlessly for a few years now. The signal reaches from my home (thick adobe walls) to my office (a trailer) which is about 150 feet away. I use all of my many Apple devices wirelessly.
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Or possibly use an Airport Express ($99 in the US) to provide a
> network extension?
>
> .........Mike
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Douglas Yelmen wrote:
>
> > doncha worry bout asking some questions. that other stuff the other
> > day was just a bunch of old farts quibbling.
> > do you have 802.11n Airport Extreme. i read in maclife that that will
> > reach anywhere. it costs about $179.
> > i had to double check to see what i had.
> > doug
> > Douglas Yelmen
> > dougyelmen@.
> >
> > "Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
> > suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
> > letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
> >
> > so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
> > (not really).
> >
> > On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:40 AM, davidpriceuk wrote:
> >
> >> I'm somewhat wary of posting this having read some of the recent
> >> exchanges, but here goes:
> >>
> >> I recently bought an Airport Extreme base station and it's working
> >> fine for the whole house but it won't reach down the garden to where
> >> my office is. So I need to link to the Airport Extreme with ethernet
> >> cable (like I did before we had wireless). I have a MacBook Air and
> >> I had been using an ethernet/USB adapter for Internet connection but
> >> I now can't get it to work. In Network Diagnostics, Ethernet and
> >> Network Settings are both green, while ISP, Internet and Server all
> >> red. All are showing green with wireless in the house, so I don't
> >> know why the wired connection is not working in my office. Any
> >> suggestions (apart from somehow boosting the signal to my office)?
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------
> >>
> >> Group FAQ:
> >> <http://www.macsuppo
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------
> >
> > Group FAQ:
> > <http://www.macsuppo
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
Thu Jul 5, 2012 4:22 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Christopher Collins" cjc1959au
You don't need a VPN for VNC to work across a WAN.
I setup Screen Sharing on the Mac to be able to receive,
I setup a Port Forward in the Router to the Mac, usually using a different outside port to 5900.
Then, by using the IP address of the router & the port number and a different VNC client, I can access the Mac via Screen sharing.
I use Jump Desktop on my Mac and iPad cause they allow me to keep a list of connections and change to outside port to something other than 5900.
Regards,
cjc
On 05/07/2012, at 10:42 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> On Jul 5, 2012, at 2:41 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
>
> > Nope. Basically, screen sharing as used by OS X is only VNC. I use "Screen Sharing Menulet" quite a lot to be able to use VNC into clients computers.
> >
> > A VPN is only an encrypted tunnel back to another network, but is not necessary for VNC to work across a WAN.
>
> But that wasn't my question. I understand that VNC can work on the local network. I was just pointing out that before you can do VNC on a network, you have to be part of the network. So VPN would get you into a network where you could then use VNC, right?
>
> How do you get into your clients' computers?
>
> Daly
>
>
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I setup Screen Sharing on the Mac to be able to receive,
I setup a Port Forward in the Router to the Mac, usually using a different outside port to 5900.
Then, by using the IP address of the router & the port number and a different VNC client, I can access the Mac via Screen sharing.
I use Jump Desktop on my Mac and iPad cause they allow me to keep a list of connections and change to outside port to something other than 5900.
Regards,
cjc
On 05/07/2012, at 10:42 PM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> On Jul 5, 2012, at 2:41 AM, Christopher Collins wrote:
>
> > Nope. Basically, screen sharing as used by OS X is only VNC. I use "Screen Sharing Menulet" quite a lot to be able to use VNC into clients computers.
> >
> > A VPN is only an encrypted tunnel back to another network, but is not necessary for VNC to work across a WAN.
>
> But that wasn't my question. I understand that VNC can work on the local network. I was just pointing out that before you can do VNC on a network, you have to be part of the network. So VPN would get you into a network where you could then use VNC, right?
>
> How do you get into your clients' computers?
>
> Daly
>
>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Douglas Yelmen" dougyelmen
now this is something that will take me some time to digest!
thanks.
cheers,
doug
Douglas Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 5, 2012, at 8:16 AM, T Hopkins wrote:
> I use eSATA and FW800 daily connected to Mac Pros. I use the
> standard FW800 bus, Sonnet E2P and the OWC (Newertech) eSATA
> cards. I've measured the throughput performance with both regular
> and RAID0 drives on all three connections. These eSATA connections
> have faster sustained throughput than the FW800 connections by
> roughly 25% when using drives that have both connections (OWC,
> LaCie, GRaid, Fantom). The Sonnet and Newertech cards are similar
> in performance.
>
> Reliable reporting from other users indicates that a full-blown
> eSATA card ($300-400) can achieve throughput speeds 300% faster than
> FW800 when using very vast RAID drives, these cheaper cards are
> clearly inferior. However, they are faster than FW800, so I use them.
>
> Another important factor to consider is that more than one FW800
> drives on the same bus drops performance. The sustained throughput
> of a drive in a three drive chain can drop by nearly 30%, even when
> it is operating alone. I don't know why. I just know it's true
> (though some on this list dispute my findings). Since eSATA does
> not chain, there is no direct comparison, but using the two
> available eSATA ports simultaneously shows no measurable drop in
> performance. If you are running more than one drive, it's much
> faster to use the two eSATA ports and one FW800 than to put three
> FW800 drives on the internal bus at the same time.
>
> Mind you, I test ONLY sustained throughput. That's the number I
> care about as a video editor. If sustained throughput does not
> matter to you, the difference in speeds I'm talking about are likely
> inconsequential.
>
> Cheers,
> tod
>
>
>
> Tod Hopkins
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Dane Robison wrote:
>
>> My experience was that eSATA on a MBP was observably and measurably
>> faster than Firewire
>
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cheers,
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"Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will
suffocate. The only way to get anything in the physical universe is by
letting go of it. Let go & it will be yours forever." ~Deepak Chopra
so, i asked him for his money. he said "No."
(not really).
On Jul 5, 2012, at 8:16 AM, T Hopkins wrote:
> I use eSATA and FW800 daily connected to Mac Pros. I use the
> standard FW800 bus, Sonnet E2P and the OWC (Newertech) eSATA
> cards. I've measured the throughput performance with both regular
> and RAID0 drives on all three connections. These eSATA connections
> have faster sustained throughput than the FW800 connections by
> roughly 25% when using drives that have both connections (OWC,
> LaCie, GRaid, Fantom). The Sonnet and Newertech cards are similar
> in performance.
>
> Reliable reporting from other users indicates that a full-blown
> eSATA card ($300-400) can achieve throughput speeds 300% faster than
> FW800 when using very vast RAID drives, these cheaper cards are
> clearly inferior. However, they are faster than FW800, so I use them.
>
> Another important factor to consider is that more than one FW800
> drives on the same bus drops performance. The sustained throughput
> of a drive in a three drive chain can drop by nearly 30%, even when
> it is operating alone. I don't know why. I just know it's true
> (though some on this list dispute my findings). Since eSATA does
> not chain, there is no direct comparison, but using the two
> available eSATA ports simultaneously shows no measurable drop in
> performance. If you are running more than one drive, it's much
> faster to use the two eSATA ports and one FW800 than to put three
> FW800 drives on the internal bus at the same time.
>
> Mind you, I test ONLY sustained throughput. That's the number I
> care about as a video editor. If sustained throughput does not
> matter to you, the difference in speeds I'm talking about are likely
> inconsequential.
>
> Cheers,
> tod
>
>
>
> Tod Hopkins
> Hillmann & Carr Inc.
> todhopkins-at-
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Dane Robison wrote:
>
>> My experience was that eSATA on a MBP was observably and measurably
>> faster than Firewire
>
>
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Thu Jul 5, 2012 8:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog
My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to fix the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the computer so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the connection will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little nub on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it from the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it to release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break either it or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing out? It's plugged into a Mac Mini.
Louise
Louise
Thu Jul 5, 2012 9:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
The little nub is a release. When pressed it lets the Ethernet plug be
pulled out.
Sometimes an Ethernet plug can be forced into the jack the wrong way
and this can also damage things.
It can help, when pressing the release nub, to have clear access to the
jack and plug so your fingers aren't cramped by a desk surface or other
items. Try turning the computer so the Ethernet port is facing up.
You can also try using pliers to press release nub and pull out at same
time but I urge some caution if doing this.
Something that might also help is to buy a small tube of powdered
graphite at a hardware store. Powdered graphic is like finely ground
pencil lead. It's very dry and like a lubricant. Turn computer so the
Ethernet jack is on top side. You can use the tube to squirt a small
amount around the Ethernet plug and jack. Then do some gentle
wiggling. If that doesn't help, you can try gently tapping the sides
of the Ethernet plug with something light like a pencil. The vibration
from the tapping may allow enough of the graphite to filter into the
jack and make it easier to pull the plug out.
If you do use the graphite, be prepared to carefully clean it
afterwards from jack. It's messy just as you would expect ground up
pencil lead to be. it's sometimes used in locks where you don't want
to use an oily or greasy lubricant.
Denver Dan
On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:35:43 -0400, Louise Stewart wrote:
> My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to fix
> the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove
> the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the computer
> so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the connection
> will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little nub
> on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it from
> the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it
> to release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break either
> it or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing out?
> It's plugged into a Mac Mini.
>
> Louise
The little nub is a release. When pressed it lets the Ethernet plug be
pulled out.
Sometimes an Ethernet plug can be forced into the jack the wrong way
and this can also damage things.
It can help, when pressing the release nub, to have clear access to the
jack and plug so your fingers aren't cramped by a desk surface or other
items. Try turning the computer so the Ethernet port is facing up.
You can also try using pliers to press release nub and pull out at same
time but I urge some caution if doing this.
Something that might also help is to buy a small tube of powdered
graphite at a hardware store. Powdered graphic is like finely ground
pencil lead. It's very dry and like a lubricant. Turn computer so the
Ethernet jack is on top side. You can use the tube to squirt a small
amount around the Ethernet plug and jack. Then do some gentle
wiggling. If that doesn't help, you can try gently tapping the sides
of the Ethernet plug with something light like a pencil. The vibration
from the tapping may allow enough of the graphite to filter into the
jack and make it easier to pull the plug out.
If you do use the graphite, be prepared to carefully clean it
afterwards from jack. It's messy just as you would expect ground up
pencil lead to be. it's sometimes used in locks where you don't want
to use an oily or greasy lubricant.
Denver Dan
On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:35:43 -0400, Louise Stewart wrote:
> My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to fix
> the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove
> the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the computer
> so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the connection
> will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little nub
> on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it from
> the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it
> to release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break either
> it or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing out?
> It's plugged into a Mac Mini.
>
> Louise
Thu Jul 5, 2012 9:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Ardell Faul" computer_monitor_service_company
The "nub" is a latch that must be pulled downward from the top of the
Ethernet jack for it to release. If you cannot get it down by the tab
that is sticking out, try using a small pointy thing like a large needle
to get in on the top of it and pry it downward. Do not pull on the
cable while doing this because that will make it more difficult to
release. Once it releases you will be able to remove the cable easily.
Ardell
Ardell Faul
Computer Monitor Service Inc.
Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
10816 E. Mission Ave.,
Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
ardell@icehouse.net
509-891-5188
On 7/5/2012 8:35 PM, Louise Stewart wrote:
>
> My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to fix
> the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove
> the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the computer
> so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the connection
> will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little nub
> on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it from
> the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it to
> release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break either it
> or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing out? It's
> plugged into a Mac Mini.
>
> Louise
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Ethernet jack for it to release. If you cannot get it down by the tab
that is sticking out, try using a small pointy thing like a large needle
to get in on the top of it and pry it downward. Do not pull on the
cable while doing this because that will make it more difficult to
release. Once it releases you will be able to remove the cable easily.
Ardell
Ardell Faul
Computer Monitor Service Inc.
Ardell's Laptop and PC Repair
10816 E. Mission Ave.,
Spokane Valley, Wa. 99206
ardell@icehouse.
509-891-5188
On 7/5/2012 8:35 PM, Louise Stewart wrote:
>
> My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to fix
> the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove
> the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the computer
> so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the connection
> will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little nub
> on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it from
> the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it to
> release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break either it
> or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing out? It's
> plugged into a Mac Mini.
>
> Louise
>
>
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Fri Jul 6, 2012 6:53 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Louise Stewart" pudgybulldog
If I have to resort to the graphite, how do I clean the slot afterwards? What can I use to get into that small space? I'm going to try the others, first. Hope I have some good news to report. Why are these things so difficult to remove? I had trouble removing it from the router, too, but it eventually came out.
On Jul 6, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> The little nub is a release. When pressed it lets the Ethernet plug be
> pulled out.
>
> Sometimes an Ethernet plug can be forced into the jack the wrong way
> and this can also damage things.
>
> It can help, when pressing the release nub, to have clear access to the
> jack and plug so your fingers aren't cramped by a desk surface or other
> items. Try turning the computer so the Ethernet port is facing up.
>
> You can also try using pliers to press release nub and pull out at same
> time but I urge some caution if doing this.
>
> Something that might also help is to buy a small tube of powdered
> graphite at a hardware store. Powdered graphic is like finely ground
> pencil lead. It's very dry and like a lubricant. Turn computer so the
> Ethernet jack is on top side. You can use the tube to squirt a small
> amount around the Ethernet plug and jack. Then do some gentle
> wiggling. If that doesn't help, you can try gently tapping the sides
> of the Ethernet plug with something light like a pencil. The vibration
> from the tapping may allow enough of the graphite to filter into the
> jack and make it easier to pull the plug out.
>
> If you do use the graphite, be prepared to carefully clean it
> afterwards from jack. It's messy just as you would expect ground up
> pencil lead to be. it's sometimes used in locks where you don't want
> to use an oily or greasy lubricant.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:35:43 -0400, Louise Stewart wrote:
> > My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to fix
> > the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove
> > the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the computer
> > so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the connection
> > will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little nub
> > on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it from
> > the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it
> > to release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break either
> > it or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing out?
> > It's plugged into a Mac Mini.
> >
> > Louise
>
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On Jul 6, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> The little nub is a release. When pressed it lets the Ethernet plug be
> pulled out.
>
> Sometimes an Ethernet plug can be forced into the jack the wrong way
> and this can also damage things.
>
> It can help, when pressing the release nub, to have clear access to the
> jack and plug so your fingers aren't cramped by a desk surface or other
> items. Try turning the computer so the Ethernet port is facing up.
>
> You can also try using pliers to press release nub and pull out at same
> time but I urge some caution if doing this.
>
> Something that might also help is to buy a small tube of powdered
> graphite at a hardware store. Powdered graphic is like finely ground
> pencil lead. It's very dry and like a lubricant. Turn computer so the
> Ethernet jack is on top side. You can use the tube to squirt a small
> amount around the Ethernet plug and jack. Then do some gentle
> wiggling. If that doesn't help, you can try gently tapping the sides
> of the Ethernet plug with something light like a pencil. The vibration
> from the tapping may allow enough of the graphite to filter into the
> jack and make it easier to pull the plug out.
>
> If you do use the graphite, be prepared to carefully clean it
> afterwards from jack. It's messy just as you would expect ground up
> pencil lead to be. it's sometimes used in locks where you don't want
> to use an oily or greasy lubricant.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:35:43 -0400, Louise Stewart wrote:
> > My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to fix
> > the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove
> > the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the computer
> > so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the connection
> > will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little nub
> > on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it from
> > the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it
> > to release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break either
> > it or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing out?
> > It's plugged into a Mac Mini.
> >
> > Louise
>
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Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:20 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue
If I remember correctly, graphite is conductive to electrical signals, and Ethernet consists of electrical signals over wires. It's probably not a good idea to use graphite in that case.
On Jul 6, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Louise Stewart wrote:
> If I have to resort to the graphite, how do I clean the slot afterwards? What can I use to get into that small space? I'm going to try the others, first. Hope I have some good news to report. Why are these things so difficult to remove? I had trouble removing it from the router, too, but it eventually came out.
>
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
>> Howdy.
>>
>> The little nub is a release. When pressed it lets the Ethernet plug be
>> pulled out.
>>
>> Sometimes an Ethernet plug can be forced into the jack the wrong way
>> and this can also damage things.
>>
>> It can help, when pressing the release nub, to have clear access to the
>> jack and plug so your fingers aren't cramped by a desk surface or other
>> items. Try turning the computer so the Ethernet port is facing up.
>>
>> You can also try using pliers to press release nub and pull out at same
>> time but I urge some caution if doing this.
>>
>> Something that might also help is to buy a small tube of powdered
>> graphite at a hardware store. Powdered graphic is like finely ground
>> pencil lead. It's very dry and like a lubricant. Turn computer so the
>> Ethernet jack is on top side. You can use the tube to squirt a small
>> amount around the Ethernet plug and jack. Then do some gentle
>> wiggling. If that doesn't help, you can try gently tapping the sides
>> of the Ethernet plug with something light like a pencil. The vibration
>> from the tapping may allow enough of the graphite to filter into the
>> jack and make it easier to pull the plug out.
>>
>> If you do use the graphite, be prepared to carefully clean it
>> afterwards from jack. It's messy just as you would expect ground up
>> pencil lead to be. it's sometimes used in locks where you don't want
>> to use an oily or greasy lubricant.
>>
>> Denver Dan
>>
>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:35:43 -0400, Louise Stewart wrote:
>>> My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to fix
>>> the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove
>>> the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the computer
>>> so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the connection
>>> will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little nub
>>> on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it from
>>> the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it
>>> to release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break either
>>> it or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing out?
>>> It's plugged into a Mac Mini.
>>>
>>> Louise
>>
>
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On Jul 6, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Louise Stewart wrote:
> If I have to resort to the graphite, how do I clean the slot afterwards? What can I use to get into that small space? I'm going to try the others, first. Hope I have some good news to report. Why are these things so difficult to remove? I had trouble removing it from the router, too, but it eventually came out.
>
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
>> Howdy.
>>
>> The little nub is a release. When pressed it lets the Ethernet plug be
>> pulled out.
>>
>> Sometimes an Ethernet plug can be forced into the jack the wrong way
>> and this can also damage things.
>>
>> It can help, when pressing the release nub, to have clear access to the
>> jack and plug so your fingers aren't cramped by a desk surface or other
>> items. Try turning the computer so the Ethernet port is facing up.
>>
>> You can also try using pliers to press release nub and pull out at same
>> time but I urge some caution if doing this.
>>
>> Something that might also help is to buy a small tube of powdered
>> graphite at a hardware store. Powdered graphic is like finely ground
>> pencil lead. It's very dry and like a lubricant. Turn computer so the
>> Ethernet jack is on top side. You can use the tube to squirt a small
>> amount around the Ethernet plug and jack. Then do some gentle
>> wiggling. If that doesn't help, you can try gently tapping the sides
>> of the Ethernet plug with something light like a pencil. The vibration
>> from the tapping may allow enough of the graphite to filter into the
>> jack and make it easier to pull the plug out.
>>
>> If you do use the graphite, be prepared to carefully clean it
>> afterwards from jack. It's messy just as you would expect ground up
>> pencil lead to be. it's sometimes used in locks where you don't want
>> to use an oily or greasy lubricant.
>>
>> Denver Dan
>>
>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:35:43 -0400, Louise Stewart wrote:
>>> My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to fix
>>> the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove
>>> the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the computer
>>> so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the connection
>>> will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little nub
>>> on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it from
>>> the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it
>>> to release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break either
>>> it or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing out?
>>> It's plugged into a Mac Mini.
>>>
>>> Louise
>>
>
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Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:40 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski
Exactly my thoughts, Tim. Sounds as if that might be a solution fatal
to the associated electronics. It also would be a tough job getting
that stuff out of that restricted space before powering up again.
.............Mike
On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
> If I remember correctly, graphite is conductive to electrical
> signals, and Ethernet consists of electrical signals over wires.
> It's probably not a good idea to use graphite in that case.
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Louise Stewart wrote:
>
>> If I have to resort to the graphite, how do I clean the slot
>> afterwards? What can I use to get into that small space? I'm going
>> to try the others, first. Hope I have some good news to report. Why
>> are these things so difficult to remove? I had trouble removing it
>> from the router, too, but it eventually came out.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy.
>>>
>>> The little nub is a release. When pressed it lets the Ethernet
>>> plug be
>>> pulled out.
>>>
>>> Sometimes an Ethernet plug can be forced into the jack the wrong way
>>> and this can also damage things.
>>>
>>> It can help, when pressing the release nub, to have clear access
>>> to the
>>> jack and plug so your fingers aren't cramped by a desk surface or
>>> other
>>> items. Try turning the computer so the Ethernet port is facing up.
>>>
>>> You can also try using pliers to press release nub and pull out at
>>> same
>>> time but I urge some caution if doing this.
>>>
>>> Something that might also help is to buy a small tube of powdered
>>> graphite at a hardware store. Powdered graphic is like finely ground
>>> pencil lead. It's very dry and like a lubricant. Turn computer so
>>> the
>>> Ethernet jack is on top side. You can use the tube to squirt a small
>>> amount around the Ethernet plug and jack. Then do some gentle
>>> wiggling. If that doesn't help, you can try gently tapping the sides
>>> of the Ethernet plug with something light like a pencil. The
>>> vibration
>>> from the tapping may allow enough of the graphite to filter into the
>>> jack and make it easier to pull the plug out.
>>>
>>> If you do use the graphite, be prepared to carefully clean it
>>> afterwards from jack. It's messy just as you would expect ground up
>>> pencil lead to be. it's sometimes used in locks where you don't want
>>> to use an oily or greasy lubricant.
>>>
>>> Denver Dan
>>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:35:43 -0400, Louise Stewart wrote:
>>>> My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to
>>>> fix
>>>> the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove
>>>> the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the
>>>> computer
>>>> so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the
>>>> connection
>>>> will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little
>>>> nub
>>>> on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it
>>>> from
>>>> the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it
>>>> to release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break
>>>> either
>>>> it or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing
>>>> out?
>>>> It's plugged into a Mac Mini.
>>>>
>>>> Louise
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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to the associated electronics. It also would be a tough job getting
that stuff out of that restricted space before powering up again.
............
On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Tim O'Donoghue wrote:
> If I remember correctly, graphite is conductive to electrical
> signals, and Ethernet consists of electrical signals over wires.
> It's probably not a good idea to use graphite in that case.
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Louise Stewart wrote:
>
>> If I have to resort to the graphite, how do I clean the slot
>> afterwards? What can I use to get into that small space? I'm going
>> to try the others, first. Hope I have some good news to report. Why
>> are these things so difficult to remove? I had trouble removing it
>> from the router, too, but it eventually came out.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy.
>>>
>>> The little nub is a release. When pressed it lets the Ethernet
>>> plug be
>>> pulled out.
>>>
>>> Sometimes an Ethernet plug can be forced into the jack the wrong way
>>> and this can also damage things.
>>>
>>> It can help, when pressing the release nub, to have clear access
>>> to the
>>> jack and plug so your fingers aren't cramped by a desk surface or
>>> other
>>> items. Try turning the computer so the Ethernet port is facing up.
>>>
>>> You can also try using pliers to press release nub and pull out at
>>> same
>>> time but I urge some caution if doing this.
>>>
>>> Something that might also help is to buy a small tube of powdered
>>> graphite at a hardware store. Powdered graphic is like finely ground
>>> pencil lead. It's very dry and like a lubricant. Turn computer so
>>> the
>>> Ethernet jack is on top side. You can use the tube to squirt a small
>>> amount around the Ethernet plug and jack. Then do some gentle
>>> wiggling. If that doesn't help, you can try gently tapping the sides
>>> of the Ethernet plug with something light like a pencil. The
>>> vibration
>>> from the tapping may allow enough of the graphite to filter into the
>>> jack and make it easier to pull the plug out.
>>>
>>> If you do use the graphite, be prepared to carefully clean it
>>> afterwards from jack. It's messy just as you would expect ground up
>>> pencil lead to be. it's sometimes used in locks where you don't want
>>> to use an oily or greasy lubricant.
>>>
>>> Denver Dan
>>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:35:43 -0400, Louise Stewart wrote:
>>>> My Magic Jack phone had a problem so I live chatted with them to
>>>> fix
>>>> the problem. One of several people I chatted with told me to remove
>>>> the ethernet connection from the router and plug it into the
>>>> computer
>>>> so she could check things on her end. I did that. Now the
>>>> connection
>>>> will NOT come out of the computer. The plug has this weird little
>>>> nub
>>>> on it that must be pushed in for it to release. When removing it
>>>> from
>>>> the router, it was tough, but finally released. But I canNOT get it
>>>> to release from the computer and I'm afraid I'm going to break
>>>> either
>>>> it or the computer in trying. Any hints on how to get the thing
>>>> out?
>>>> It's plugged into a Mac Mini.
>>>>
>>>> Louise
>>>
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Fri Jul 6, 2012 6:19 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Donna Ells" dellis551
Thanks for your help, Denver Dan and Otto.
Got it all taken care of thanks to your explanations and questions.
Thanks again for always being there,
Donna
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Got it all taken care of thanks to your explanations and questions.
Thanks again for always being there,
Donna
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Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:01 am (PDT) . Posted by: "T Hopkins" todhop
I do not have direct experience with these cards. Most RAID resellers either bundle or recommend "approved" cards. Market leader is Sonnet in the Mac world and ATTO in the rest of the market. Highpoint "RocketRaid" cards also have a good reputation, but not necessarily Mac specific. You do have to be very careful about the Mac driver support. If you go to a reseller that specializes in serving the video editing market, they can help.
I look at the feature sets of high end cards, figure out what matters, and then start working "down" to see where these features disappear. Sometimes there are nice comparison charts for this. Usually not.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-hillmanncarr.com
On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Thanks for this information, Tod. Since I'm in the market for a new
> eSATA card with port multiplier it's useful observations.
>
> I've just sent back a Sans Digital 4 port eSATA card with port
> multiplier because it wouldn't work on MacPro with Lion. It's got
> jumpers than have to be changed and the Sans Digital people who
> recommended this card as working on Lion before I bought it are clearly
> confused about required drivers and what works and doesn't.
>
> So I'm in the market for another eSATA card. 4 ports and port
> multiplier. Any recommendations?
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 11:16:46 -0400, T Hopkins wrote:
> > I use eSATA and FW800 daily connected to Mac Pros. I use the
> > standard FW800 bus, Sonnet E2P and the OWC (Newertech) eSATA cards.
> > I've measured the throughput performance with both regular and RAID0
> > drives on all three connections. These eSATA connections have faster
> > sustained throughput than the FW800 connections by roughly 25% when
> > using drives that have both connections (OWC, LaCie, GRaid, Fantom).
> > The Sonnet and Newertech cards are similar in performance.
> >
> > Reliable reporting from other users indicates that a full-blown eSATA
> > card ($300-400) can achieve throughput speeds 300% faster than FW800
> > when using very vast RAID drives, these cheaper cards are clearly
> > inferior. However, they are faster than FW800, so I use them.
> >
> > Another important factor to consider is that more than one FW800
> > drives on the same bus drops performance. The sustained throughput
> > of a drive in a three drive chain can drop by nearly 30%, even when
> > it is operating alone. I don't know why. I just know it's true
> > (though some on this list dispute my findings). Since eSATA does not
> > chain, there is no direct comparison, but using the two available
> > eSATA ports simultaneously shows no measurable drop in performance.
> > If you are running more than one drive, it's much faster to use the
> > two eSATA ports and one FW800 than to put three FW800 drives on the
> > internal bus at the same time.
> >
> > Mind you, I test ONLY sustained throughput. That's the number I care
> > about as a video editor. If sustained throughput does not matter to
> > you, the difference in speeds I'm talking about are likely
> > inconsequential.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > tod
>
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I look at the feature sets of high end cards, figure out what matters, and then start working "down" to see where these features disappear. Sometimes there are nice comparison charts for this. Usually not.
Cheers,
tod
Tod Hopkins
Hillmann & Carr Inc.
todhopkins-at-
On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Thanks for this information, Tod. Since I'm in the market for a new
> eSATA card with port multiplier it's useful observations.
>
> I've just sent back a Sans Digital 4 port eSATA card with port
> multiplier because it wouldn't work on MacPro with Lion. It's got
> jumpers than have to be changed and the Sans Digital people who
> recommended this card as working on Lion before I bought it are clearly
> confused about required drivers and what works and doesn't.
>
> So I'm in the market for another eSATA card. 4 ports and port
> multiplier. Any recommendations?
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 11:16:46 -0400, T Hopkins wrote:
> > I use eSATA and FW800 daily connected to Mac Pros. I use the
> > standard FW800 bus, Sonnet E2P and the OWC (Newertech) eSATA cards.
> > I've measured the throughput performance with both regular and RAID0
> > drives on all three connections. These eSATA connections have faster
> > sustained throughput than the FW800 connections by roughly 25% when
> > using drives that have both connections (OWC, LaCie, GRaid, Fantom).
> > The Sonnet and Newertech cards are similar in performance.
> >
> > Reliable reporting from other users indicates that a full-blown eSATA
> > card ($300-400) can achieve throughput speeds 300% faster than FW800
> > when using very vast RAID drives, these cheaper cards are clearly
> > inferior. However, they are faster than FW800, so I use them.
> >
> > Another important factor to consider is that more than one FW800
> > drives on the same bus drops performance. The sustained throughput
> > of a drive in a three drive chain can drop by nearly 30%, even when
> > it is operating alone. I don't know why. I just know it's true
> > (though some on this list dispute my findings). Since eSATA does not
> > chain, there is no direct comparison, but using the two available
> > eSATA ports simultaneously shows no measurable drop in performance.
> > If you are running more than one drive, it's much faster to use the
> > two eSATA ports and one FW800 than to put three FW800 drives on the
> > internal bus at the same time.
> >
> > Mind you, I test ONLY sustained throughput. That's the number I care
> > about as a video editor. If sustained throughput does not matter to
> > you, the difference in speeds I'm talking about are likely
> > inconsequential.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > tod
>
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