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Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:01 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jurgen Richter" epsongroups
Otto wrote: If the MB Air *is* directly connected to the AirPort
Extreme where does the
"ethernet going through the power lines" fit into all this?
Otto
On 9 July 2012 18:36, davidpriceuk <dprice@fireflyuk.net
<mailto:dprice%40fireflyuk.net>> wrote:
> Sorry - it's sometimes difficult to know what information is "useful". If
> I'd thought about the ethernet going through the power lines, I might
have
> realized that was a likely source of the problem. The trouble is I didn't
> think about it. I'm not sure what you mean about not "directly"
plugged in,
> because the cable is plugged into the ethernet socket OK. I'm also
not sure
> why the thickness of the walls has any bearing on the wired connection.
>
> I'll read the article and I'll try AirGrab Radar. Thanks.
>
There are some ethernet networking kits you can buy in North America
that don't need extra wiring to go room to room. There is an interface
adapter that plugs into a mains/wall outlet at one end and other
adapters in the chosen rooms that connect that way. They use the
housewiring to carry the ethernet signal. Personally I don't know how
much electrical interference you get with such a setup; many of us use
better Cat 5e or 6 level ethernet cables to avoid such an issue.
Extreme where does the
"ethernet going through the power lines" fit into all this?
Otto
On 9 July 2012 18:36, davidpriceuk <dprice@fireflyuk.
<mailto:dprice%
> Sorry - it's sometimes difficult to know what information is "useful". If
> I'd thought about the ethernet going through the power lines, I might
have
> realized that was a likely source of the problem. The trouble is I didn't
> think about it. I'm not sure what you mean about not "directly"
plugged in,
> because the cable is plugged into the ethernet socket OK. I'm also
not sure
> why the thickness of the walls has any bearing on the wired connection.
>
> I'll read the article and I'll try AirGrab Radar. Thanks.
>
There are some ethernet networking kits you can buy in North America
that don't need extra wiring to go room to room. There is an interface
adapter that plugs into a mains/wall outlet at one end and other
adapters in the chosen rooms that connect that way. They use the
housewiring to carry the ethernet signal. Personally I don't know how
much electrical interference you get with such a setup; many of us use
better Cat 5e or 6 level ethernet cables to avoid such an issue.
Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 10 July 2012 18:01, Jurgen Richter <yahoo-1@sympatico.ca > wrote:
> Otto wrote: If the MB Air *is* directly connected to the AirPort
> Extreme where does the
> "ethernet going through the power lines" fit into all this?
>
> There are some ethernet networking kits you can buy in North America
> that don't need extra wiring to go room to room. There is an interface
> adapter that plugs into a mains/wall outlet at one end and other
> adapters in the chosen rooms that connect that way. They use the
> housewiring to carry the ethernet signal. Personally I don't know how
> much electrical interference you get with such a setup; many of us use
> better Cat 5e or 6 level ethernet cables to avoid such an issue.
>
Yes, I'm quite aware of that tech; it's been around for at least 10 years
and is called HomePlug.;) My question to David was, which part of his
network does this form?
Otto
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Otto wrote: If the MB Air *is* directly connected to the AirPort
> Extreme where does the
> "ethernet going through the power lines" fit into all this?
>
> There are some ethernet networking kits you can buy in North America
> that don't need extra wiring to go room to room. There is an interface
> adapter that plugs into a mains/wall outlet at one end and other
> adapters in the chosen rooms that connect that way. They use the
> housewiring to carry the ethernet signal. Personally I don't know how
> much electrical interference you get with such a setup; many of us use
> better Cat 5e or 6 level ethernet cables to avoid such an issue.
>
Yes, I'm quite aware of that tech; it's been around for at least 10 years
and is called HomePlug.;) My question to David was, which part of his
network does this form?
Otto
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:04 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 10 July 2012 13:27, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com > wrote:
>
> For me, under Fire Sharing/Options there are only two choices:
>
> "Share files and folders using AFP" and
> "Share files and folders using SMB (Windows)"
>
> It does seem to me that there used to be an FTP option, but it sure isn't
> there any more.
>
I can only assume that, as FTP is insecure, Apple removed it, but it's also
strange that they didn't replace if with SFTP (Secure FTP).
OTOH, perhaps they expect people to use ssh (Secure Shell, enabled as
Remote Login) and use sftp *within* that.
Anyway, this explains why your ftp client can't connect!
Otto
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> For me, under Fire Sharing/Options there are only two choices:
>
> "Share files and folders using AFP" and
> "Share files and folders using SMB (Windows)"
>
> It does seem to me that there used to be an FTP option, but it sure isn't
> there any more.
>
I can only assume that, as FTP is insecure, Apple removed it, but it's also
strange that they didn't replace if with SFTP (Secure FTP).
OTOH, perhaps they expect people to use ssh (Secure Shell, enabled as
Remote Login) and use sftp *within* that.
Anyway, this explains why your ftp client can't connect!
Otto
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Thanks, but Barry beat me to it.
Otto
On 10 July 2012 12:45, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@snet.net > wrote:
> My son's not awake yet, so I'm not sure about this, but I don't if he
> has a backup it's about 2,200 miles from here right now. Not to
> worry, though, because he will have one shortly, because I plan to
> make one this morning using SuperDuper and an external drive and
> follow the path you suggested in your earlier message.
>
> Thanks, Otto!
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Otto
On 10 July 2012 12:45, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@
> My son's not awake yet, so I'm not sure about this, but I don't if he
> has a backup it's about 2,200 miles from here right now. Not to
> worry, though, because he will have one shortly, because I plan to
> make one this morning using SuperDuper and an external drive and
> follow the path you suggested in your earlier message.
>
> Thanks, Otto!
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:12 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 10 July 2012 13:31, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com > wrote:
>
> See if you find a useful answer somewhere in here:
>
> Here's a discussion of transferring things under Snow Leopard: <
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4413 >
>
> Here's more, but for Lion: <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4889 >
>
> Here's one about CD/DVD sharing: <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5287 >
> (requires Tiger or later)
>
> It seems to me that if he made a clone of the G4 to an external drive with
> a USB port, he might be able to get this to work.
>
This is what I plan to do and suggest Mike does. As I already have 2 recent
clones it's just a matter of updating the older one.
Just in passing, though: it's common to find external drives without
FireWire, but are there any without USB? (I always insist on both, but
perhaps that might change with Apple moving to USB 3 and ThunderBolt.)
Otto
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> See if you find a useful answer somewhere in here:
>
> Here's a discussion of transferring things under Snow Leopard: <
> http://support.
>
> Here's more, but for Lion: <http://support.
>
> Here's one about CD/DVD sharing: <http://support.
> (requires Tiger or later)
>
> It seems to me that if he made a clone of the G4 to an external drive with
> a USB port, he might be able to get this to work.
>
This is what I plan to do and suggest Mike does. As I already have 2 recent
clones it's just a matter of updating the older one.
Just in passing, though: it's common to find external drives without
FireWire, but are there any without USB? (I always insist on both, but
perhaps that might change with Apple moving to USB 3 and ThunderBolt.
Otto
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:09 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski
I think almost every external drive I have is equipped with 4 interfaces: FW 400, FW 800, USB, and.........
The Seagate 'Free Agent' that I wanted to use as a clone of my son's G4 has Fitw
On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com > wrote:
> On 10 July 2012 13:31, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com > wrote:
>
>>
>> See if you find a useful answer somewhere in here:
>>
>> Here's a discussion of transferring things under Snow Leopard: <
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4413 >
>>
>> Here's more, but for Lion: <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4889 >
>>
>> Here's one about CD/DVD sharing: <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5287 >
>> (requires Tiger or later)
>>
>> It seems to me that if he made a clone of the G4 to an external drive with
>> a USB port, he might be able to get this to work.
>>
>
> This is what I plan to do and suggest Mike does. As I already have 2 recent
> clones it's just a matter of updating the older one.
>
> Just in passing, though: it's common to find external drives without
> FireWire, but are there any without USB? (I always insist on both, but
> perhaps that might change with Apple moving to USB 3 and ThunderBolt.)
>
> Otto
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
The Seagate 'Free Agent' that I wanted to use as a clone of my son's G4 has Fitw
On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
> On 10 July 2012 13:31, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.
>
>>
>> See if you find a useful answer somewhere in here:
>>
>> Here's a discussion of transferring things under Snow Leopard: <
>> http://support.
>>
>> Here's more, but for Lion: <http://support.
>>
>> Here's one about CD/DVD sharing: <http://support.
>> (requires Tiger or later)
>>
>> It seems to me that if he made a clone of the G4 to an external drive with
>> a USB port, he might be able to get this to work.
>>
>
> This is what I plan to do and suggest Mike does. As I already have 2 recent
> clones it's just a matter of updating the older one.
>
> Just in passing, though: it's common to find external drives without
> FireWire, but are there any without USB? (I always insist on both, but
> perhaps that might change with Apple moving to USB 3 and ThunderBolt.
>
> Otto
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski
Sorry about that draft being sent. I was responding via iPhone when
the land-line rang with an important call. When I went to answer it I
accidentally hit 'Send' on the iPhone. :-( What I meant to say
was:
I think almost every external drive I have is equipped with 4
interfaces: FW 400, FW 800, USB, and eSATA (almost all of them are
LaCie Quadras).
The Seagate 'Free Agent' that I wanted to use as a clone of my son's
G4 has FW 400, FW 800 and USB 2.0. It also has power socket on the
back for which I couldn't find a power supply. Not important to me
since I always used FW, which provides the power, but the USB
connection didn't hack it. After hours of searching, I found the
package of stuff for the drive and was surprise to see that it uses
one normal USB cord to make the data connection, and a separate one
with a power jack on one end to power it!
Almost finished with cloning the G4 to it.
.......Mike
On Jul 10, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Michael P. Stupinski wrote:
> I think almost every external drive I have is equipped with 4
> interfaces: FW 400, FW 800, USB, and.........
>
> The Seagate 'Free Agent' that I wanted to use as a clone of my son's
> G4 has Fitw
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> On 10 July 2012 13:31, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> See if you find a useful answer somewhere in here:
>>>
>>> Here's a discussion of transferring things under Snow Leopard: <
>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4413 >
>>>
>>> Here's more, but for Lion: <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4889 >
>>>
>>> Here's one about CD/DVD sharing: <http://support.apple.com/kb/
>>> HT5287>
>>> (requires Tiger or later)
>>>
>>> It seems to me that if he made a clone of the G4 to an external
>>> drive with
>>> a USB port, he might be able to get this to work.
>>>
>>
>> This is what I plan to do and suggest Mike does. As I already have
>> 2 recent
>> clones it's just a matter of updating the older one.
>>
>> Just in passing, though: it's common to find external drives without
>> FireWire, but are there any without USB? (I always insist on both,
>> but
>> perhaps that might change with Apple moving to USB 3 and
>> ThunderBolt.)
>>
>> Otto
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Group FAQ:
>> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
the land-line rang with an important call. When I went to answer it I
accidentally hit 'Send' on the iPhone. :-( What I meant to say
was:
I think almost every external drive I have is equipped with 4
interfaces: FW 400, FW 800, USB, and eSATA (almost all of them are
LaCie Quadras).
The Seagate 'Free Agent' that I wanted to use as a clone of my son's
G4 has FW 400, FW 800 and USB 2.0. It also has power socket on the
back for which I couldn't find a power supply. Not important to me
since I always used FW, which provides the power, but the USB
connection didn't hack it. After hours of searching, I found the
package of stuff for the drive and was surprise to see that it uses
one normal USB cord to make the data connection, and a separate one
with a power jack on one end to power it!
Almost finished with cloning the G4 to it.
.......Mike
On Jul 10, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Michael P. Stupinski wrote:
> I think almost every external drive I have is equipped with 4
> interfaces: FW 400, FW 800, USB, and.........
>
> The Seagate 'Free Agent' that I wanted to use as a clone of my son's
> G4 has Fitw
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
> > wrote:
>
>> On 10 July 2012 13:31, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.
>>
>>>
>>> See if you find a useful answer somewhere in here:
>>>
>>> Here's a discussion of transferring things under Snow Leopard: <
>>> http://support.
>>>
>>> Here's more, but for Lion: <http://support.
>>>
>>> Here's one about CD/DVD sharing: <http://support.
>>> HT5287>
>>> (requires Tiger or later)
>>>
>>> It seems to me that if he made a clone of the G4 to an external
>>> drive with
>>> a USB port, he might be able to get this to work.
>>>
>>
>> This is what I plan to do and suggest Mike does. As I already have
>> 2 recent
>> clones it's just a matter of updating the older one.
>>
>> Just in passing, though: it's common to find external drives without
>> FireWire, but are there any without USB? (I always insist on both,
>> but
>> perhaps that might change with Apple moving to USB 3 and
>> ThunderBolt.
>>
>> Otto
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------
>>
>> Group FAQ:
>> <http://www.macsuppo
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsuppo
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:43 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski
OK, then: "Thanks, Barry!" too. :-)
On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Thanks, but Barry beat me to it.
>
> Otto
>
> On 10 July 2012 12:45, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@snet.net >
> wrote:
>
>> My son's not awake yet, so I'm not sure about this, but I don't if he
>> has a backup it's about 2,200 miles from here right now. Not to
>> worry, though, because he will have one shortly, because I plan to
>> make one this morning using SuperDuper and an external drive and
>> follow the path you suggested in your earlier message.
>>
>> Thanks, Otto!
>>
>
On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Thanks, but Barry beat me to it.
>
> Otto
>
> On 10 July 2012 12:45, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@
> wrote:
>
>> My son's not awake yet, so I'm not sure about this, but I don't if he
>> has a backup it's about 2,200 miles from here right now. Not to
>> worry, though, because he will have one shortly, because I plan to
>> make one this morning using SuperDuper and an external drive and
>> follow the path you suggested in your earlier message.
>>
>> Thanks, Otto!
>>
>
Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:56 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
That's good but having the 4 connections tends to be expensive.
I assume you were cloning via FW while looking for the other stuff?
I wonder if *both* USB cables are actually used for power as one isn't
enough.
Let us know how it works out.
Otto
On 10 July 2012 19:34, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@snet.net > wrote:
> Sorry about that draft being sent. I was responding via iPhone when
> the land-line rang with an important call. When I went to answer it I
> accidentally hit 'Send' on the iPhone. :-( What I meant to say
> was:
>
> I think almost every external drive I have is equipped with 4
> interfaces: FW 400, FW 800, USB, and eSATA (almost all of them are
> LaCie Quadras).
>
> The Seagate 'Free Agent' that I wanted to use as a clone of my son's
> G4 has FW 400, FW 800 and USB 2.0. It also has power socket on the
> back for which I couldn't find a power supply. Not important to me
> since I always used FW, which provides the power, but the USB
> connection didn't hack it. After hours of searching, I found the
> package of stuff for the drive and was surprise to see that it uses
> one normal USB cord to make the data connection, and a separate one
> with a power jack on one end to power it!
>
> Almost finished with cloning the G4 to it.
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I assume you were cloning via FW while looking for the other stuff?
I wonder if *both* USB cables are actually used for power as one isn't
enough.
Let us know how it works out.
Otto
On 10 July 2012 19:34, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@
> Sorry about that draft being sent. I was responding via iPhone when
> the land-line rang with an important call. When I went to answer it I
> accidentally hit 'Send' on the iPhone. :-( What I meant to say
> was:
>
> I think almost every external drive I have is equipped with 4
> interfaces: FW 400, FW 800, USB, and eSATA (almost all of them are
> LaCie Quadras).
>
> The Seagate 'Free Agent' that I wanted to use as a clone of my son's
> G4 has FW 400, FW 800 and USB 2.0. It also has power socket on the
> back for which I couldn't find a power supply. Not important to me
> since I always used FW, which provides the power, but the USB
> connection didn't hack it. After hours of searching, I found the
> package of stuff for the drive and was surprise to see that it uses
> one normal USB cord to make the data connection, and a separate one
> with a power jack on one end to power it!
>
> Almost finished with cloning the G4 to it.
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:53 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski
You're right about the clone by FW while doing the search, Otto. The
cloning took a while anyway since it wasn't, of course, an incremental
backup. As far as the two-USB setup, one cable had identical USB
connectors on both ends. The other cable had a standard USB connector
on one end and a male power connector on the other end, which got
inserted in the female connector in the back of the drive. Before I
found the latter cable in the package containing the other drive
cables, I had tried using only a cable with two identical USB
connectors, like the one described above, to connect the drive to the
G4 computer. Although the drive icon appeared on the desktop it
couldn't be opened. That would confirm your thought that more power
was needed, and some apparently also had to be supplied directly to
the drive mechanicals.
Everything in the migration worked well with one exception. When the
MacBook Air was "setup" at the Apple Store, although we didn't notice
it then, my son's middle name was used in the name of the admin
account. He hadn't included his middle name on the G4, so when we did
the migration an admin account was put on the Air with that name. Both
accounts used the same password. When he logged into the newer
account (with middle name) and found no email, we imported the emails
from the clone disk to Mail. The emails did not appear in the other
account, which had everything else we migrated, including the items he
had left on the G4 desktop. When we couldn't figure out how to move
the email to the desired account, we had to hook up with Express
Lane. An Apple expert worked through the process by remote access and
all was well after about a half hour on the phone. (That's an amazing
service! The call from Apple came less than a minute after submittal
of the online request.)
Thanks for everyone's help and advice — the service here was great as
well!
..............Mike
On Jul 10, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> That's good but having the 4 connections tends to be expensive.
>
> I assume you were cloning via FW while looking for the other stuff?
>
> I wonder if *both* USB cables are actually used for power as one isn't
> enough.
>
> Let us know how it works out.
>
> Otto
>
> On 10 July 2012 19:34, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@snet.net >
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry about that draft being sent. I was responding via iPhone when
>> the land-line rang with an important call. When I went to answer
>> it I
>> accidentally hit 'Send' on the iPhone. :-( What I meant to say
>> was:
>>
>> I think almost every external drive I have is equipped with 4
>> interfaces: FW 400, FW 800, USB, and eSATA (almost all of them are
>> LaCie Quadras).
>>
>> The Seagate 'Free Agent' that I wanted to use as a clone of my son's
>> G4 has FW 400, FW 800 and USB 2.0. It also has power socket on the
>> back for which I couldn't find a power supply. Not important to me
>> since I always used FW, which provides the power, but the USB
>> connection didn't hack it. After hours of searching, I found the
>> package of stuff for the drive and was surprise to see that it uses
>> one normal USB cord to make the data connection, and a separate one
>> with a power jack on one end to power it!
>>
>> Almost finished with cloning the G4 to it.
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Group FAQ:
> <http://www.macsupportcentral.com/policies/ >
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
cloning took a while anyway since it wasn't, of course, an incremental
backup. As far as the two-USB setup, one cable had identical USB
connectors on both ends. The other cable had a standard USB connector
on one end and a male power connector on the other end, which got
inserted in the female connector in the back of the drive. Before I
found the latter cable in the package containing the other drive
cables, I had tried using only a cable with two identical USB
connectors, like the one described above, to connect the drive to the
G4 computer. Although the drive icon appeared on the desktop it
couldn't be opened. That would confirm your thought that more power
was needed, and some apparently also had to be supplied directly to
the drive mechanicals.
Everything in the migration worked well with one exception. When the
MacBook Air was "setup" at the Apple Store, although we didn't notice
it then, my son's middle name was used in the name of the admin
account. He hadn't included his middle name on the G4, so when we did
the migration an admin account was put on the Air with that name. Both
accounts used the same password. When he logged into the newer
account (with middle name) and found no email, we imported the emails
from the clone disk to Mail. The emails did not appear in the other
account, which had everything else we migrated, including the items he
had left on the G4 desktop. When we couldn't figure out how to move
the email to the desired account, we had to hook up with Express
Lane. An Apple expert worked through the process by remote access and
all was well after about a half hour on the phone. (That's an amazing
service! The call from Apple came less than a minute after submittal
of the online request.)
Thanks for everyone's help and advice — the service here was great as
well!
............
On Jul 10, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> That's good but having the 4 connections tends to be expensive.
>
> I assume you were cloning via FW while looking for the other stuff?
>
> I wonder if *both* USB cables are actually used for power as one isn't
> enough.
>
> Let us know how it works out.
>
> Otto
>
> On 10 July 2012 19:34, Michael P. Stupinski <mpstupinski@
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry about that draft being sent. I was responding via iPhone when
>> the land-line rang with an important call. When I went to answer
>> it I
>> accidentally hit 'Send' on the iPhone. :-( What I meant to say
>> was:
>>
>> I think almost every external drive I have is equipped with 4
>> interfaces: FW 400, FW 800, USB, and eSATA (almost all of them are
>> LaCie Quadras).
>>
>> The Seagate 'Free Agent' that I wanted to use as a clone of my son's
>> G4 has FW 400, FW 800 and USB 2.0. It also has power socket on the
>> back for which I couldn't find a power supply. Not important to me
>> since I always used FW, which provides the power, but the USB
>> connection didn't hack it. After hours of searching, I found the
>> package of stuff for the drive and was surprise to see that it uses
>> one normal USB cord to make the data connection, and a separate one
>> with a power jack on one end to power it!
>>
>> Almost finished with cloning the G4 to it.
>>
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Oneal Neumann" newalander
On 2012 July 1 (at 21:10) marsdog98 wrote:
> So I am considering a refurbished MacBook Pro 17" from Apple. In researching the 2010 and 2011 models there seem to have been numerous problems, especially freezing issues. I can not tell how widespread these problems have been or if they have all been sufficiently addressed if systemic hardware problems.
>
> Thanks, Bill
>
I bought a refurb 17" ProBook from Apple Canada in February 2010. No probs with it, NWS the fact that I dinged it a couple of times because of bike wipeouts.
Doubt that a refurb from a problematic model would be offered for sale. Oneal
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:20 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Paul Smith" waldonny
Sorry to correct you, but Apple does indeed sell refurbished "problem" models, or at least used to. I bought a refurb PowerBook back in 2005, which was a model that had a known issue with its motherboard. I made sure to get AppleCare for it.
The result? Motherboard replaced THREE times under AppleCare.
Sent from my iPhone 4S
On Jul 10, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com > wrote:
> Doubt that a refurb from a problematic model would be offered for sale
The result? Motherboard replaced THREE times under AppleCare.
Sent from my iPhone 4S
On Jul 10, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@
> Doubt that a refurb from a problematic model would be offered for sale
Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Michael P. Stupinski" mstupinski
That's scary. There wasn't a fourth time after AppleCare, was there?
On Jul 10, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
> Sorry to correct you, but Apple does indeed sell refurbished
> "problem" models, or at least used to. I bought a refurb PowerBook
> back in 2005, which was a model that had a known issue with its
> motherboard. I made sure to get AppleCare for it.
> The result? Motherboard replaced THREE times under AppleCare.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4S
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com >
> wrote:
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>> Doubt that a refurb from a problematic model would be offered for
>> sale
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On Jul 10, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
> Sorry to correct you, but Apple does indeed sell refurbished
> "problem" models, or at least used to. I bought a refurb PowerBook
> back in 2005, which was a model that had a known issue with its
> motherboard. I made sure to get AppleCare for it.
> The result? Motherboard replaced THREE times under AppleCare.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4S
>
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>
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> On Jul 10, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:41 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Paul Smith" waldonny
Fortunately, no.
Sent from my iPhone 4S
On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:58 PM, "Michael P. Stupinski" <mpstupinski@snet.net > wrote:
> That's scary. There wasn't a fourth time after AppleCare, was there?
Sent from my iPhone 4S
On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:58 PM, "Michael P. Stupinski" <mpstupinski@
> That's scary. There wasn't a fourth time after AppleCare, was there?
Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:31 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Josephine Bacon" baconandeggs_2001
I wanted to report that, along with many other Mac owners who will
lose out massively if they upgrade to Snow Leopard or one of the silly
names Apple has given to the latest version of their OS, I am getting
Google messages that upgrades will no longer be supported because I am
still using OS 10.5.8 Something to think about if you are buying an
old machine.
Josephine Bacon
On 10 Jul 2012, at 22:52, Oneal Neumann wrote:
>
> On 2012 July 1 (at 21:10) marsdog98 wrote:
>
> > So I am considering a refurbished MacBook Pro 17" from Apple. In
> researching the 2010 and 2011 models there seem to have been
> numerous problems, especially freezing issues. I can not tell how
> widespread these problems have been or if they have all been
> sufficiently addressed if systemic hardware problems.
> >
> > Thanks, Bill
> >
>
> I bought a refurb 17" ProBook from Apple Canada in February 2010. No
> probs with it, NWS the fact that I dinged it a couple of times
> because of bike wipeouts.
>
> Doubt that a refurb from a problematic model would be offered for
> sale. Oneal
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Josephine Bacon
Tamr Translations Limited
179 Kings Cross Road
London WC1x 9BZ
Tel:+44 207 833 0607
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lose out massively if they upgrade to Snow Leopard or one of the silly
names Apple has given to the latest version of their OS, I am getting
Google messages that upgrades will no longer be supported because I am
still using OS 10.5.8 Something to think about if you are buying an
old machine.
Josephine Bacon
On 10 Jul 2012, at 22:52, Oneal Neumann wrote:
>
> On 2012 July 1 (at 21:10) marsdog98 wrote:
>
> > So I am considering a refurbished MacBook Pro 17" from Apple. In
> researching the 2010 and 2011 models there seem to have been
> numerous problems, especially freezing issues. I can not tell how
> widespread these problems have been or if they have all been
> sufficiently addressed if systemic hardware problems.
> >
> > Thanks, Bill
> >
>
> I bought a refurb 17" ProBook from Apple Canada in February 2010. No
> probs with it, NWS the fact that I dinged it a couple of times
> because of bike wipeouts.
>
> Doubt that a refurb from a problematic model would be offered for
> sale. Oneal
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Josephine Bacon
Tamr Translations Limited
179 Kings Cross Road
London WC1x 9BZ
Tel:+44 207 833 0607
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
Twice in the last month I lost my startup items. I assumed the last
time that what had happened was that
~/library/preferences/com.apple.loginitems.plist had gotten hosed, so
I restored it from my Time Machine backup and restarted. Did not do
the trick. What I did do was boot from a clone drive, go to the
preference pane (or in this case preference PAIN) and write down
everything that was in it, boot back to my regular hard drive and
manually reenter them. There has to be a better way. Today when it
happened again I again manually reentered them, from the piece of
paper that I had saved. I must be missing something, but WHAT?
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
time that what had happened was that
~/library/preferenc
I restored it from my Time Machine backup and restarted. Did not do
the trick. What I did do was boot from a clone drive, go to the
preference pane (or in this case preference PAIN) and write down
everything that was in it, boot back to my regular hard drive and
manually reenter them. There has to be a better way. Today when it
happened again I again manually reentered them, from the piece of
paper that I had saved. I must be missing something, but WHAT?
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
I've just read a review of Hello Tutorials. This is an app for
learning Mac OS X 10.7 Lion that includes help for folks switching from
Windoze.
The app is priced at an introductory price that is very low right now.
This sounds like something useful for a switcher and for someone who
just wants to become more proficient at using the Lion OS.
If a group member has used Hello Tutorials, please give us you opinion
on the app.
Denver Dan
I've just read a review of Hello Tutorials. This is an app for
learning Mac OS X 10.7 Lion that includes help for folks switching from
Windoze.
The app is priced at an introductory price that is very low right now.
This sounds like something useful for a switcher and for someone who
just wants to become more proficient at using the Lion OS.
If a group member has used Hello Tutorials, please give us you opinion
on the app.
Denver Dan
Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Bill Boulware" boulware0224
Sent to you by Bill Boulware via Google Reader: Apple corporate
recruiting video tours you through Apple HQ, tells interesting stories
via 9to5Mac by Mark Gurman on 7/10/12
Earlier this year, Apple uploaded an interesting corporate employee
recruiting video. It might just be the most in-depth tour of Apple’s
Cupertino headquarters that we have ever seen on a public forum,
especially Apple’s own website.
The video takes you through Apple’s engineering labs, let’s you see how
the Apple website team examines web pages, discusses the backstory on
Apple’s work on new battery chemistry, tells the true, and interesting,
backstory on the creation of the iPad 2′s Smart Cover, and more.
Notably, Apple’s VP of Human Resources and Dean of Apple University,
Joel Podolny, narrates much of the four minute clip. The video is
definitely worth a watch for any Apple fan, after the break:
Things you can do from here:
- Subscribe to 9to5Mac using Google Reader
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recruiting video tours you through Apple HQ, tells interesting stories
via 9to5Mac by Mark Gurman on 7/10/12
Earlier this year, Apple uploaded an interesting corporate employee
recruiting video. It might just be the most in-depth tour of Apple’s
Cupertino headquarters that we have ever seen on a public forum,
especially Apple’s own website.
The video takes you through Apple’s engineering labs, let’s you see how
the Apple website team examines web pages, discusses the backstory on
Apple’s work on new battery chemistry, tells the true, and interesting,
backstory on the creation of the iPad 2′s Smart Cover, and more.
Notably, Apple’s VP of Human Resources and Dean of Apple University,
Joel Podolny, narrates much of the four minute clip. The video is
definitely worth a watch for any Apple fan, after the break:
Things you can do from here:
- Subscribe to 9to5Mac using Google Reader
- Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
favorite sites
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
card reader plugged into MacBook AIR and iPad?
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverrat68/
http://www.postmodernart.com/
On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:14 AM, fussyoldfart wrote:
> I think several people have missed the point that this problem is common to the two new toys we have - an iPad and a MacBook AIR. I have no problem transferring pictures to my Mac, but I don't carry that with me when we travel.
>
> Darrell
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , OBrien <bco@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:27:02 -0000, fussyoldfart wrote:
>>> We cannot review in a full screen mode and selectively download
>>> only the pictures we want to save. Is there not a way to treat
>>> camera cards as external drives?....
>>
>> Using a USB cable, I just plug my camera directly into my Mac. It pops-up onto the Desktop just like an external HD.
>>
>> There's a good chance that your Mac will just recognize it, but if it doesn't, your camera should have included a variety of drivers, one of which would be for your Mac. Also, this should be available on the camera manufacturer's website in support, or downloads.
>>
>>
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:14 AM, fussyoldfart wrote:
> I think several people have missed the point that this problem is common to the two new toys we have - an iPad and a MacBook AIR. I have no problem transferring pictures to my Mac, but I don't carry that with me when we travel.
>
> Darrell
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@
>>
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:27:02 -0000, fussyoldfart wrote:
>>> We cannot review in a full screen mode and selectively download
>>> only the pictures we want to save. Is there not a way to treat
>>> camera cards as external drives?....
>>
>> Using a USB cable, I just plug my camera directly into my Mac. It pops-up onto the Desktop just like an external HD.
>>
>> There's a good chance that your Mac will just recognize it, but if it doesn't, your camera should have included a variety of drivers, one of which would be for your Mac. Also, this should be available on the camera manufacturer'
>>
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:09 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Doug Yelmen" dougyelmen
this is the same guy, i think. he explains what i went through with MS Office for Home 2011.
i finally gave up and am happy using Open Office.
Loathing for Microsoft — Product Key
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2012/20120511_3-MicrosoftOffice-Key.html
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlink.net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/riverrat68/
http://www.postmodernart.com/
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i finally gave up and am happy using Open Office.
Loathing for Microsoft — Product Key
http://macperforman
doug
Doug Yelmen
dougyelmen@earthlin
http://www.flickr.
http://www.postmode
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Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:48 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Once you have decided on a different HD for your iTunes Music Library
the following should work.
1. Launch iTunes program.
2. Open iTunes Preferences and pick the Advanced icon.
3. Note the ITunes Media folder location box which should show the
path to the current library location of you music (and other things).
4. Check the Keep iTunes Media folder organized.
5. Clic the Change¡Ä button.
6. Navigate to the new HD and folder and select it. Then click Open
button.
Things should start to go from old location to new location. If you
have a lot of "things" it may take awhile. If you have a slow
connection such as USB 2, it may take more than awhile.
My iTunes music library is on a network/Ethernet mirrored RAID drive
and moving it over Ethernet even at 1000BaseT speed took awhile.
A tip. Sometimes the music library folder can have problems. A common
one is when you start to see songs in the Music Library list that have
that "can't be found" symbol, or perhaps may not play.
This can be caused by things like a power outage that unexpectedly
shuts down the drive where the music library is.
Just doing the above steps - repeating them for the same location - can
fix this problem.
Good luck!
Denver Dan
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:02:45 +0000, Robert wrote:
> First, can I move iTunes to an external drive and HOW do I do this?
> I have a Music folder that has 30 GB which I assume is mostly old
> podcasts that I am inexplicably keeping.
Once you have decided on a different HD for your iTunes Music Library
the following should work.
1. Launch iTunes program.
2. Open iTunes Preferences and pick the Advanced icon.
3. Note the ITunes Media folder location box which should show the
path to the current library location of you music (and other things).
4. Check the Keep iTunes Media folder organized.
5. Clic the Change¡Ä button.
6. Navigate to the new HD and folder and select it. Then click Open
button.
Things should start to go from old location to new location. If you
have a lot of "things" it may take awhile. If you have a slow
connection such as USB 2, it may take more than awhile.
My iTunes music library is on a network/Ethernet mirrored RAID drive
and moving it over Ethernet even at 1000BaseT speed took awhile.
A tip. Sometimes the music library folder can have problems. A common
one is when you start to see songs in the Music Library list that have
that "can't be found" symbol, or perhaps may not play.
This can be caused by things like a power outage that unexpectedly
shuts down the drive where the music library is.
Just doing the above steps - repeating them for the same location - can
fix this problem.
Good luck!
Denver Dan
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:02:45 +0000, Robert wrote:
> First, can I move iTunes to an external drive and HOW do I do this?
> I have a Music folder that has 30 GB which I assume is mostly old
> podcasts that I am inexplicably keeping.
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