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Mon Nov 5, 2012 10:43 am (PST) . Posted by:
"neelie" neeliec2000
Thank you for your replies. I appreciate the suggestions
Eileen
>
> On Nov 3, 2012, at 8:50 PM, neelie wrote:
>
> > I always feel if I download and use a program, even if it is "free"
> > I should donate.
> >
> > How do you determine the amount?
>
> I donate what I think would be the going rate for a comparable
> shareware program.
>
Eileen
>
> On Nov 3, 2012, at 8:50 PM, neelie wrote:
>
> > I always feel if I download and use a program, even if it is "free"
> > I should donate.
> >
> > How do you determine the amount?
>
> I donate what I think would be the going rate for a comparable
> shareware program.
>
Mon Nov 5, 2012 10:48 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Eric" emanmb
In testing the craptastic XTE router that came w/our DSL, I used one comp to send files to the other as my method with MenuMeters reading the whopping 1.5MB per sec I can send from my MacPro to the MBP.
Some testing sites are:
http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest-mlab.php
http://measurementlab.net/measurement-lab-tools
These sites go way beyond ping and up & down speeds. Not sure if they test the router speed itself, but sending something from one comp to another via wifi seems like a pretty empirical test and MenuMeters is an unobtrusive Preference Pane to take the reading.
e
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Is there some kind of speed test app that anyone could recommend for
> testing the WiFi speed between a Mac and the router?
Some testing sites are:
http://broadband.
http://measurementl
These sites go way beyond ping and up & down speeds. Not sure if they test the router speed itself, but sending something from one comp to another via wifi seems like a pretty empirical test and MenuMeters is an unobtrusive Preference Pane to take the reading.
e
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Is there some kind of speed test app that anyone could recommend for
> testing the WiFi speed between a Mac and the router?
Mon Nov 5, 2012 10:49 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Bob Cook" cookrd1
-Bob
I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize signal
strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only be
as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any active b
or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to recall
you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least interference,
but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test from
those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since my
master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed. Note
that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your area
for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport pointed
towards the area you want to maximize.
I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70 Mbps
(not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my bedroom. I
also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
Bob
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Otto Nikolaus
<otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com >wrote:
> **
>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> I haven't seen anything that tests Wi-Fi speed only. What I've done in the
> past is timed a file copy between 2 computers, a real-life test. Do it both
> ways 2-3 times to get an average.
>
> Of course, your Wi-Fi should much faster than your internet connection but
> what do you see when you run the usual kind of speed test? If you see the
> full 50 Mbps then you are using 11n, not 11g.
>
> Otto
>
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I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize signal
strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only be
as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any active b
or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to recall
you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least interference,
but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test from
those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since my
master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed. Note
that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your area
for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport pointed
towards the area you want to maximize.
I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70 Mbps
(not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my bedroom. I
also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
Bob
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Otto Nikolaus
<otto.nikolaus@
> **
>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> I haven't seen anything that tests Wi-Fi speed only. What I've done in the
> past is timed a file copy between 2 computers, a real-life test. Do it both
> ways 2-3 times to get an average.
>
> Of course, your Wi-Fi should much faster than your internet connection but
> what do you see when you run the usual kind of speed test? If you see the
> full 50 Mbps then you are using 11n, not 11g.
>
> Otto
>
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Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:11 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Dane Reugger" dar2112
This may be a little more than you want to get into but ipref and optional
jpref should do the trick.
I've used it on a Linux computer but these should get you going on the Mac.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/iperf/
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/iperf-a-simple-but-powerful-tool-for-troubleshooting-networks/3395
http://jesterpm.net/downloads
https://profiles.google.com/101186629654815085445/buzz/PWfo2jVPfvR
-Dane
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Bob Cook <cookrd1@discoveryowners.com >wrote:
> -Bob
> I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
>
> If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
> entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
> strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize signal
> strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
> replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
>
> Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only be
> as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any active b
> or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
> you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to recall
> you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least interference,
> but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
> speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test from
> those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
> would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since my
> master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed. Note
> that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your area
> for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
> experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport pointed
> towards the area you want to maximize.
>
> I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70 Mbps
> (not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my bedroom. I
> also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
> and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Otto Nikolaus
> <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com >wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > I haven't seen anything that tests Wi-Fi speed only. What I've done in
> the
> > past is timed a file copy between 2 computers, a real-life test. Do it
> both
> > ways 2-3 times to get an average.
> >
> > Of course, your Wi-Fi should much faster than your internet connection
> but
> > what do you see when you run the usual kind of speed test? If you see the
> > full 50 Mbps then you are using 11n, not 11g.
> >
> > Otto
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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jpref should do the trick.
I've used it on a Linux computer but these should get you going on the Mac.
http://sourceforge.
http://www.techrepu
http://jesterpm.
https://profiles.
-Dane
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Bob Cook <cookrd1@discoveryow
> -Bob
> I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
>
> If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
> entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
> strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize signal
> strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
> replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
>
> Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only be
> as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any active b
> or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
> you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to recall
> you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least interference,
> but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
> speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test from
> those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
> would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since my
> master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed. Note
> that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your area
> for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
> experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport pointed
> towards the area you want to maximize.
>
> I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70 Mbps
> (not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my bedroom. I
> also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
> and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Otto Nikolaus
> <otto.nikolaus@
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > I haven't seen anything that tests Wi-Fi speed only. What I've done in
> the
> > past is timed a file copy between 2 computers, a real-life test. Do it
> both
> > ways 2-3 times to get an average.
> >
> > Of course, your Wi-Fi should much faster than your internet connection
> but
> > what do you see when you run the usual kind of speed test? If you see the
> > full 50 Mbps then you are using 11n, not 11g.
> >
> > Otto
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:58 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Otto, I've done some speed tests of the new wired (not WiFi) speed of
the new Internet service.
I use a web site called SpeakEast which I've used in the past. I think
SpeakEasy is mostly for various server locations in the United States.
<http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ >
Here are my wired results. Gigabit Ethernet cables & patch cords,
Gigabit Ethernet switch.
Washington, DC, server (about 20 miles from me)
58.52 Mbps down
34.24 Mbps up
Seattle, Washington, server (about 3,000 miles from me)
50.14 Mbps down
20.29 Mbps up
If I can't find a speed test app I'll do your suggestion of timing a
file several times with Ethernet off.
Denver Dan
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:26:14 +0000, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> I haven't seen anything that tests Wi-Fi speed only. What I've done in the
> past is timed a file copy between 2 computers, a real-life test. Do it both
> ways 2-3 times to get an average.
>
> Of course, your Wi-Fi should much faster than your internet connection but
> what do you see when you run the usual kind of speed test? If you see the
> full 50 Mbps then you are using 11n, not 11g.
>
> Otto
Otto, I've done some speed tests of the new wired (not WiFi) speed of
the new Internet service.
I use a web site called SpeakEast which I've used in the past. I think
SpeakEasy is mostly for various server locations in the United States.
<http://www.speakeas
Here are my wired results. Gigabit Ethernet cables & patch cords,
Gigabit Ethernet switch.
Washington, DC, server (about 20 miles from me)
58.52 Mbps down
34.24 Mbps up
Seattle, Washington, server (about 3,000 miles from me)
50.14 Mbps down
20.29 Mbps up
If I can't find a speed test app I'll do your suggestion of timing a
file several times with Ethernet off.
Denver Dan
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:26:14 +0000, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> I haven't seen anything that tests Wi-Fi speed only. What I've done in the
> past is timed a file copy between 2 computers, a real-life test. Do it both
> ways 2-3 times to get an average.
>
> Of course, your Wi-Fi should much faster than your internet connection but
> what do you see when you run the usual kind of speed test? If you see the
> full 50 Mbps then you are using 11n, not 11g.
>
> Otto
Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:02 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Bob, I've looked at a Netgear 802.11 ac router at Micro Center but I
have no WiFi cards that would connect at that speed.
I also did not know that WiFi networks will slow ALL devices to the
speed of the slowest connected device? Is this really correct? It's
like an Ethernet Hub instead of an Ethernet Switch?????
I'll have to investigate this. I have 5 Sonos Digital Music Zone Boxes
which commented via their own WiFi network but I don't know what their
speed is. One of the Sonos boxes is connected to Ethernet (a
requirement of the system). Everything else is, I think, at 802.11 n
speed.
Denver Dan
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:49:29 -0500, Bob Cook wrote:
> -Bob
> I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
>
> If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
> entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
> strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize signal
> strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
> replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
>
> Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only be
> as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any active b
> or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
> you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to recall
> you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least interference,
> but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
> speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test from
> those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
> would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since my
> master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed. Note
> that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your area
> for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
> experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport pointed
> towards the area you want to maximize.
>
> I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70 Mbps
> (not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my bedroom. I
> also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
> and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
>
> Bob
Bob, I've looked at a Netgear 802.11 ac router at Micro Center but I
have no WiFi cards that would connect at that speed.
I also did not know that WiFi networks will slow ALL devices to the
speed of the slowest connected device? Is this really correct? It's
like an Ethernet Hub instead of an Ethernet Switch?????
I'll have to investigate this. I have 5 Sonos Digital Music Zone Boxes
which commented via their own WiFi network but I don't know what their
speed is. One of the Sonos boxes is connected to Ethernet (a
requirement of the system). Everything else is, I think, at 802.11 n
speed.
Denver Dan
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:49:29 -0500, Bob Cook wrote:
> -Bob
> I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
>
> If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
> entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
> strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize signal
> strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
> replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
>
> Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only be
> as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any active b
> or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
> you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to recall
> you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least interference,
> but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
> speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test from
> those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
> would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since my
> master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed. Note
> that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your area
> for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
> experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport pointed
> towards the area you want to maximize.
>
> I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70 Mbps
> (not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my bedroom. I
> also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
> and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
>
> Bob
Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:09 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
The Sonos system uses its own network, doesn't it, so as long as it's not
using the same *frequency* as your computer network, it should have no
effect.
Otto
On 5 November 2012 20:02, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Bob, I've looked at a Netgear 802.11 ac router at Micro Center but I
> have no WiFi cards that would connect at that speed.
>
> I also did not know that WiFi networks will slow ALL devices to the
> speed of the slowest connected device? Is this really correct? It's
> like an Ethernet Hub instead of an Ethernet Switch?????
>
> I'll have to investigate this. I have 5 Sonos Digital Music Zone Boxes
> which commented via their own WiFi network but I don't know what their
> speed is. One of the Sonos boxes is connected to Ethernet (a
> requirement of the system). Everything else is, I think, at 802.11 n
> speed.
>
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using the same *frequency* as your computer network, it should have no
effect.
Otto
On 5 November 2012 20:02, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> Howdy.
>
> Bob, I've looked at a Netgear 802.11 ac router at Micro Center but I
> have no WiFi cards that would connect at that speed.
>
> I also did not know that WiFi networks will slow ALL devices to the
> speed of the slowest connected device? Is this really correct? It's
> like an Ethernet Hub instead of an Ethernet Switch?????
>
> I'll have to investigate this. I have 5 Sonos Digital Music Zone Boxes
> which commented via their own WiFi network but I don't know what their
> speed is. One of the Sonos boxes is connected to Ethernet (a
> requirement of the system). Everything else is, I think, at 802.11 n
> speed.
>
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Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:12 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Bob Cook" cookrd1
I think I am right on this, I don't have any b devices, but back when I had
a g wifi router, my b devices really slowed my g devices down. Sonos does
not use 2.4GHz 802.11 Wifi.
-Bob
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> **
>
>
> Howdy.
>
> Bob, I've looked at a Netgear 802.11 ac router at Micro Center but I
> have no WiFi cards that would connect at that speed.
>
> I also did not know that WiFi networks will slow ALL devices to the
> speed of the slowest connected device? Is this really correct? It's
> like an Ethernet Hub instead of an Ethernet Switch?????
>
> I'll have to investigate this. I have 5 Sonos Digital Music Zone Boxes
> which commented via their own WiFi network but I don't know what their
> speed is. One of the Sonos boxes is connected to Ethernet (a
> requirement of the system). Everything else is, I think, at 802.11 n
> speed.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:49:29 -0500, Bob Cook wrote:
> > -Bob
> > I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
> >
> > If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
> > entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
> > strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize signal
> > strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
> > replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
> >
> > Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only
> be
> > as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any active
> b
> > or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
> > you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to
> recall
> > you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least
> interference,
> > but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
> > speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test from
> > those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
> > would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since
> my
> > master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed.
> Note
> > that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your
> area
> > for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
> > experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport pointed
> > towards the area you want to maximize.
> >
> > I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70
> Mbps
> > (not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my bedroom.
> I
> > also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
> > and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
> >
> > Bob
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
a g wifi router, my b devices really slowed my g devices down. Sonos does
not use 2.4GHz 802.11 Wifi.
-Bob
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> **
>
>
> Howdy.
>
> Bob, I've looked at a Netgear 802.11 ac router at Micro Center but I
> have no WiFi cards that would connect at that speed.
>
> I also did not know that WiFi networks will slow ALL devices to the
> speed of the slowest connected device? Is this really correct? It's
> like an Ethernet Hub instead of an Ethernet Switch?????
>
> I'll have to investigate this. I have 5 Sonos Digital Music Zone Boxes
> which commented via their own WiFi network but I don't know what their
> speed is. One of the Sonos boxes is connected to Ethernet (a
> requirement of the system). Everything else is, I think, at 802.11 n
> speed.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:49:29 -0500, Bob Cook wrote:
> > -Bob
> > I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
> >
> > If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
> > entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
> > strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize signal
> > strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
> > replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
> >
> > Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only
> be
> > as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any active
> b
> > or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
> > you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to
> recall
> > you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least
> interference,
> > but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
> > speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test from
> > those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
> > would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since
> my
> > master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed.
> Note
> > that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your
> area
> > for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
> > experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport pointed
> > towards the area you want to maximize.
> >
> > I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70
> Mbps
> > (not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my bedroom.
> I
> > also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
> > and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
> >
> > Bob
>
>
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Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:17 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Bob Cook" cookrd1
Let me clarify, b devices will slow you down appreciably. G shouldn't have
any impact, although you could make an argument that they take up more time
slices when they are active.
-Bob
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Bob Cook <cookrd1@discoveryowners.com >wrote:
> I think I am right on this, I don't have any b devices, but back when I
> had a g wifi router, my b devices really slowed my g devices down. Sonos
> does not use 2.4GHz 802.11 Wifi.
> -Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Howdy.
>>
>> Bob, I've looked at a Netgear 802.11 ac router at Micro Center but I
>> have no WiFi cards that would connect at that speed.
>>
>> I also did not know that WiFi networks will slow ALL devices to the
>> speed of the slowest connected device? Is this really correct? It's
>> like an Ethernet Hub instead of an Ethernet Switch?????
>>
>> I'll have to investigate this. I have 5 Sonos Digital Music Zone Boxes
>> which commented via their own WiFi network but I don't know what their
>> speed is. One of the Sonos boxes is connected to Ethernet (a
>> requirement of the system). Everything else is, I think, at 802.11 n
>> speed.
>>
>> Denver Dan
>>
>> On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:49:29 -0500, Bob Cook wrote:
>> > -Bob
>> > I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
>> >
>> > If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
>> > entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
>> > strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize
>> signal
>> > strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
>> > replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
>> >
>> > Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only
>> be
>> > as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any
>> active b
>> > or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
>> > you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to
>> recall
>> > you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least
>> interference,
>> > but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
>> > speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test
>> from
>> > those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
>> > would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since
>> my
>> > master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed.
>> Note
>> > that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your
>> area
>> > for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
>> > experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport
>> pointed
>> > towards the area you want to maximize.
>> >
>> > I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70
>> Mbps
>> > (not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my
>> bedroom. I
>> > also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
>> > and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
>> >
>> > Bob
>>
>>
>
>
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any impact, although you could make an argument that they take up more time
slices when they are active.
-Bob
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Bob Cook <cookrd1@discoveryow
> I think I am right on this, I don't have any b devices, but back when I
> had a g wifi router, my b devices really slowed my g devices down. Sonos
> does not use 2.4GHz 802.11 Wifi.
> -Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Howdy.
>>
>> Bob, I've looked at a Netgear 802.11 ac router at Micro Center but I
>> have no WiFi cards that would connect at that speed.
>>
>> I also did not know that WiFi networks will slow ALL devices to the
>> speed of the slowest connected device? Is this really correct? It's
>> like an Ethernet Hub instead of an Ethernet Switch?????
>>
>> I'll have to investigate this. I have 5 Sonos Digital Music Zone Boxes
>> which commented via their own WiFi network but I don't know what their
>> speed is. One of the Sonos boxes is connected to Ethernet (a
>> requirement of the system). Everything else is, I think, at 802.11 n
>> speed.
>>
>> Denver Dan
>>
>> On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:49:29 -0500, Bob Cook wrote:
>> > -Bob
>> > I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
>> >
>> > If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
>> > entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
>> > strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize
>> signal
>> > strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
>> > replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
>> >
>> > Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only
>> be
>> > as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any
>> active b
>> > or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
>> > you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to
>> recall
>> > you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least
>> interference,
>> > but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
>> > speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test
>> from
>> > those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
>> > would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since
>> my
>> > master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed.
>> Note
>> > that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your
>> area
>> > for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
>> > experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport
>> pointed
>> > towards the area you want to maximize.
>> >
>> > I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70
>> Mbps
>> > (not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my
>> bedroom. I
>> > also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
>> > and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
>> >
>> > Bob
>>
>>
>
>
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Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:37 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Yes. Sonos has it's own separate network.
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:09:21 +0000, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> The Sonos system uses its own network, doesn't it, so as long as it's not
> using the same *frequency* as your computer network, it should have no
> effect.
>
> Otto
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:09:21 +0000, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> The Sonos system uses its own network, doesn't it, so as long as it's not
> using the same *frequency* as your computer network, it should have no
> effect.
>
> Otto
Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:43 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
Eric, I think the MenuMeters did the trick with an app. I had heard of
MenuMeters at some time but never used it.
Here's the MenuMeters report. one test of 5 movie segment downloads
via Ethernet and a second test of 5 movie segment downloads with
Ethernet off and WiFi on.
I think Otto's suggestion of a test of push/pull from two Macs on my
private WiFi network will be next.
•SpeakEasy Test & new FiOS Quantum Internet speed
SpeakEasy Washington, DC, server to my Virginia location
-down: 7.315 MBps (58.52 Mbps)
-up: 4.28 MBps (34.24 Mbps)
SpeakEasy Seattle, server to my Virginia location
-down 6.393 MBps (50.14 Mbps)
-up 2.536 MBps (20.29 Mbps)
•MenuMeters Test & new FiOS Quantum Internet speed
-Ethernet Peak Throughput 7.2 MB/s (57.6 Mb/s)
-WiFi Peak Throughput 6.4 MB/s (51.2 MB/s)
(I only did a download test with MenuMeters.)
Thanks for the suggestions folks!
Denver Dan
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:48:30 +0000, Eric wrote:
> In testing the craptastic XTE router that came w/our DSL, I used one
> comp to send files to the other as my method with MenuMeters reading
> the whopping 1.5MB per sec I can send from my MacPro to the MBP.
>
> Some testing sites are:
> http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest-mlab.php
> http://measurementlab.net/measurement-lab-tools
>
> These sites go way beyond ping and up & down speeds. Not sure if they
> test the router speed itself, but sending something from one comp to
> another via wifi seems like a pretty empirical test and MenuMeters is
> an unobtrusive Preference Pane to take the reading.
> e
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> Is there some kind of speed test app that anyone could recommend for
>> testing the WiFi speed between a Mac and the router?
>
Eric, I think the MenuMeters did the trick with an app. I had heard of
MenuMeters at some time but never used it.
Here's the MenuMeters report. one test of 5 movie segment downloads
via Ethernet and a second test of 5 movie segment downloads with
Ethernet off and WiFi on.
I think Otto's suggestion of a test of push/pull from two Macs on my
private WiFi network will be next.
•SpeakEasy Test & new FiOS Quantum Internet speed
SpeakEasy Washington, DC, server to my Virginia location
-down: 7.315 MBps (58.52 Mbps)
-up: 4.28 MBps (34.24 Mbps)
SpeakEasy Seattle, server to my Virginia location
-down 6.393 MBps (50.14 Mbps)
-up 2.536 MBps (20.29 Mbps)
•MenuMeters Test & new FiOS Quantum Internet speed
-Ethernet Peak Throughput 7.2 MB/s (57.6 Mb/s)
-WiFi Peak Throughput 6.4 MB/s (51.2 MB/s)
(I only did a download test with MenuMeters.)
Thanks for the suggestions folks!
Denver Dan
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:48:30 +0000, Eric wrote:
> In testing the craptastic XTE router that came w/our DSL, I used one
> comp to send files to the other as my method with MenuMeters reading
> the whopping 1.5MB per sec I can send from my MacPro to the MBP.
>
> Some testing sites are:
> http://broadband.
> http://measurementl
>
> These sites go way beyond ping and up & down speeds. Not sure if they
> test the router speed itself, but sending something from one comp to
> another via wifi seems like a pretty empirical test and MenuMeters is
> an unobtrusive Preference Pane to take the reading.
> e
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@
>
>>
>> Is there some kind of speed test app that anyone could recommend for
>> testing the WiFi speed between a Mac and the router?
>
Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:54 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
I've been looking around for more info on whether the presence of WiFi
802.11g devices on your LAN will slow a device with 802.11n to the g
speed.
Apparently it can slow but it depends.
As I understand this, a single band 802.11n inexpensive router may be
able to cope only with the speed of the slowest device and will slow
down the faster devices.
More expensive dual band 802.11 n routers may not do the slow down.
I found a couple of statements that Apple latest Airport Extreme WiFi
router can cope with both 802.11 g and n devices without slowing down
the faster device.
So . . . it depends!
Denver Dan
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:49:29 -0500, Bob Cook wrote:
> -Bob
> I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
>
> If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
> entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
> strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize signal
> strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
> replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
>
> Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only be
> as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any active b
> or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
> you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to recall
> you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least interference,
> but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
> speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test from
> those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
> would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since my
> master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed. Note
> that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your area
> for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
> experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport pointed
> towards the area you want to maximize.
>
> I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70 Mbps
> (not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my bedroom. I
> also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
> and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Otto Nikolaus
> <otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com >wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> I haven't seen anything that tests Wi-Fi speed only. What I've done in the
>> past is timed a file copy between 2 computers, a real-life test. Do it both
>> ways 2-3 times to get an average.
>>
>>
I've been looking around for more info on whether the presence of WiFi
802.11g devices on your LAN will slow a device with 802.11n to the g
speed.
Apparently it can slow but it depends.
As I understand this, a single band 802.11n inexpensive router may be
able to cope only with the speed of the slowest device and will slow
down the faster devices.
More expensive dual band 802.11 n routers may not do the slow down.
I found a couple of statements that Apple latest Airport Extreme WiFi
router can cope with both 802.11 g and n devices without slowing down
the faster device.
So . . . it depends!
Denver Dan
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:49:29 -0500, Bob Cook wrote:
> -Bob
> I agree with Otto, I am not familiar with an app to do this either.
>
> If you want the maximum in-house wifi speed, you would need to move
> entirely to 802.11ac. WIFI speed is directly proportional to signal
> strength. 802.11ac uses active antenna pattern shaping to maximize signal
> strength for whichever device is active. But this would also require
> replacement of your Airport devices and also the device Vz sold you.
>
> Be aware that even though this is WIFI, it is still a LAN and will only be
> as fast as the slowest device on the network. So, if you have any active b
> or g devices, turn them off during your tests. Before you do your tests,
> you might want to make a survey of your wifi environment (I seem to recall
> you live in a condo?) and choose a channel that has the least interference,
> but stay on one of the four main channels for max throughput. Since your
> speed is dependent on signal strength, you might want to do the test from
> those locations where you would typically be using wifi. For me, that
> would be the family room, lanai, home theater and master bedroom. Since my
> master bedroom is the furthest away, it has by far the slowest speed. Note
> that there are apps to measure signal strength and also to survey your area
> for wifi activity. If you need to increase your signal strength, you can
> experiment with metal/aluminum reflectors in back of your Airport pointed
> towards the area you want to maximize.
>
> I don't have 802.11ac. My best speeds using N on 2.4GHz are around 70 Mbps
> (not quite 9 MBps), but this drops off to less than 1MBps in my bedroom. I
> also have powerline, one of the better products available two years ago,
> and it runs around 30 Mbps which is adequate for 1080p video.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Otto Nikolaus
> <otto.nikolaus@
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> I haven't seen anything that tests Wi-Fi speed only. What I've done in the
>> past is timed a file copy between 2 computers, a real-life test. Do it both
>> ways 2-3 times to get an average.
>>
>>
Mon Nov 5, 2012 3:15 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Brimac" cuatro.calla
I get 404 as well…
Brian
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "bj" <bjones44@...> wrote:
>
> It works for me -- just now as well as it did yesterday.
> I've d/l it twice to different devices.
> bj
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Mahabir
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 5:40 AM
> To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] Free Windows 8 for Dummies Book (if you run Win 8
> on your Mac)
>
> On 1 November 2012 16:39, halfhoff <gerrysair@...> wrote:
>
> > CNET.com is providing a free copy of Windows 8 for Dummies.
> >
> > I am running Windows 8 through Parallels on my MacBook Pro. This book
> > helps.
> >
> > You can download the book here:
> > http://media.wiley.com/assets/7077/60/9781118554951_custom.pdf. If you
> > have a tablet or smartphone, you can just download the book to your device
> > by clicking the link (I have already done so). Or you can just download it
> > on to your Mac and read it there.
> >
>
> That link is dead.
>
Brian
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> It works for me -- just now as well as it did yesterday.
> I've d/l it twice to different devices.
> bj
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Mahabir
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 5:40 AM
> To: macsupportcentral@
> Subject: Re: [macsupport] Free Windows 8 for Dummies Book (if you run Win 8
> on your Mac)
>
> On 1 November 2012 16:39, halfhoff <gerrysair@.
>
> > CNET.com is providing a free copy of Windows 8 for Dummies.
> >
> > I am running Windows 8 through Parallels on my MacBook Pro. This book
> > helps.
> >
> > You can download the book here:
> > http://media.
> > have a tablet or smartphone, you can just download the book to your device
> > by clicking the link (I have already done so). Or you can just download it
> > on to your Mac and read it there.
> >
>
> That link is dead.
>
Mon Nov 5, 2012 3:26 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Jurgen Richter" epsongroups
I have an external LaCie "Neil Poulton" (black box, blue LED) hard drive
on my iMac as the TimeMachine for backups... it is USB and is
frequently disconnecting itself, thus not available for TM to do its
thing. I replaced the USB cable with a new one, and still the same
problem. Also tried different USB ports on the back of the iMac to no
avail. So unless there is a way to "reset" the USB bus area, if this is
even the problem, I fear the drive will need replacing. So - is there an
external brand/model of 1 TB drives that one can recommend, or should I
get a case from OWC and drop in an enterprise grade Seagate, or just
splurge and get a G-Raid or G-tech unit? Thoughts?
Thanks.
on my iMac as the TimeMachine for backups... it is USB and is
frequently disconnecting itself, thus not available for TM to do its
thing. I replaced the USB cable with a new one, and still the same
problem. Also tried different USB ports on the back of the iMac to no
avail. So unless there is a way to "reset" the USB bus area, if this is
even the problem, I fear the drive will need replacing. So - is there an
external brand/model of 1 TB drives that one can recommend, or should I
get a case from OWC and drop in an enterprise grade Seagate, or just
splurge and get a G-Raid or G-tech unit? Thoughts?
Thanks.
Mon Nov 5, 2012 3:51 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Brian" cuatro.calla
> > When I went to my user folder, there was no Library. I went through all of Randy's routine maintenance, ran iDefrag, Disk Warrior and TechTool Pro. It is still invisible.
> >
> > It is there, because it shows up when running TechTool, but it appears greyed out, although I can access it. This is when booted from the eDrive. Upon restart, the Library folder is still invisible, and does not show up in a search with Find or Spotlight.
>
> Apple decided to make the user libraries invisible as of Lion.
>
> Immediately after the release of Lion, Macworld published an article listing about 19 ways to make that Library folder visible again.
>
> Perhaps the simplest is to open a Finder window, press and hold <Option> while you use the "Go" menu. When <Option> is pressed, Library is available as a choice in that menu. Choose it.
>
> When you have the Finder window open to Library, <Option><click> on the window's titlebar (where it says "Users/<username>/Library") and drag the folder icon to the window's sidebar.
Well, silly me. Funny, my Google search did not find that. Now that you mention it, I do recall something about it.
But that does not solve my iTunes problem… that it freezes shortly after launch, or if I click on anything in it.
Any ideas?
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> >
> > It is there, because it shows up when running TechTool, but it appears greyed out, although I can access it. This is when booted from the eDrive. Upon restart, the Library folder is still invisible, and does not show up in a search with Find or Spotlight.
>
> Apple decided to make the user libraries invisible as of Lion.
>
> Immediately after the release of Lion, Macworld published an article listing about 19 ways to make that Library folder visible again.
>
> Perhaps the simplest is to open a Finder window, press and hold <Option> while you use the "Go" menu. When <Option> is pressed, Library is available as a choice in that menu. Choose it.
>
> When you have the Finder window open to Library, <Option><click> on the window's titlebar (where it says "Users/<username>
Well, silly me. Funny, my Google search did not find that. Now that you mention it, I do recall something about it.
But that does not solve my iTunes problem… that it freezes shortly after launch, or if I click on anything in it.
Any ideas?
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