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Sat Mar 2, 2013 10:43 am (PST) . Posted by:
"Don" don.96705
Jim
Just some info on power usage. My computer is:
Early 2009 Mac Pro
2 x 2.93 GHz Quad Core Xeon, 6GB RAM
OS X 10.7.5
Its on an APC RS 700 UPS which has a power meter. The computer alone draws 195-230 watts depending on what I'm doing. In sleep mode the power use droops to 3 watts. I have the highest electricity rate in the U.S. and 200 watts continuously for a month would be $60.48. My monitor is plugged in to a separate outlet on the UPS that gets turned off when master outlet power use drops to some low level.
I have one USB flash drive attached that doesn't seem to notice the sleep.
Several years ago I tried running the SETI app that processes radio astronomy data for the University of California instead of letting the computer sleep. That app used all 8 cores (1-8, whatever you set as a limit) and the Mac Pro ran at just under 500 watts. I'll let UC use available CPU cycles but they have to pay the $150 a month electric bill.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
On Mar 2, 2013, at 07:13, James Robertson wrote:
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> On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:03 PM, N.A. Nada whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
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>> It depends upon the external drive.
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> How about disk image files mounted on the desktop?
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> On my Mac Pro (which I've read can use $80/month electricity just sitting there with the monitors blanked and disks spun down but the processors still idling), I began using sleep a month or two ago. I've paid a usability price for this:
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Just some info on power usage. My computer is:
Early 2009 Mac Pro
2 x 2.93 GHz Quad Core Xeon, 6GB RAM
OS X 10.7.5
Its on an APC RS 700 UPS which has a power meter. The computer alone draws 195-230 watts depending on what I'm doing. In sleep mode the power use droops to 3 watts. I have the highest electricity rate in the U.S. and 200 watts continuously for a month would be $60.48. My monitor is plugged in to a separate outlet on the UPS that gets turned off when master outlet power use drops to some low level.
I have one USB flash drive attached that doesn't seem to notice the sleep.
Several years ago I tried running the SETI app that processes radio astronomy data for the University of California instead of letting the computer sleep. That app used all 8 cores (1-8, whatever you set as a limit) and the Mac Pro ran at just under 500 watts. I'll let UC use available CPU cycles but they have to pay the $150 a month electric bill.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
On Mar 2, 2013, at 07:13, James Robertson wrote:
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> On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:03 PM, N.A. Nada whodo678@comcast.
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>> It depends upon the external drive.
>
> How about disk image files mounted on the desktop?
>
> On my Mac Pro (which I've read can use $80/month electricity just sitting there with the monitors blanked and disks spun down but the processors still idling), I began using sleep a month or two ago. I've paid a usability price for this:
>
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Sat Mar 2, 2013 11:25 am (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Don,
I pay about 10 cents a kWh, a little below the national average. (I do question it in articles that quote a national average of 11-12 cents a kWh.) I ran Folding at Home, another distributed computation similar to Seti, on three G4 Macs, with a total of 4 processors. They were on 24/7, along with 3 refrigeration compressors. I have electric baseboard heaters, one of the most inefficient space heaters. I ran FAH for years on these 3. My highest monthly bill was $135 for the whole apartment.
So, yes, there is a wide range amount our electric bills, and that is why I said I had a below average per kWh rate.
But few of us are running our computers 24/7. Granted, Mac Pro users are more likely to be using a lot more CPU cycles in a day that the average Mac user. Otherwise they would not have a Mac Pro.
I still question $80 a month, but note it is possible, just improbable.
Brent
On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Don wrote:
Jim
Just some info on power usage. My computer is:
Early 2009 Mac Pro
2 x 2.93 GHz Quad Core Xeon, 6GB RAM
OS X 10.7.5
Its on an APC RS 700 UPS which has a power meter. The computer alone draws 195-230 watts depending on what I'm doing. In sleep mode the power use droops to 3 watts. I have the highest electricity rate in the U.S. and 200 watts continuously for a month would be $60.48. My monitor is plugged in to a separate outlet on the UPS that gets turned off when master outlet power use drops to some low level.
I have one USB flash drive attached that doesn't seem to notice the sleep.
Several years ago I tried running the SETI app that processes radio astronomy data for the University of California instead of letting the computer sleep. That app used all 8 cores (1-8, whatever you set as a limit) and the Mac Pro ran at just under 500 watts. I'll let UC use available CPU cycles but they have to pay the $150 a month electric bill.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
On Mar 2, 2013, at 07:13, James Robertson wrote:
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> On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:03 PM, N.A. Nada whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
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>> It depends upon the external drive.
>
> How about disk image files mounted on the desktop?
>
> On my Mac Pro (which I've read can use $80/month electricity just sitting there with the monitors blanked and disks spun down but the processors still idling), I began using sleep a month or two ago. I've paid a usability price for this:
>
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I pay about 10 cents a kWh, a little below the national average. (I do question it in articles that quote a national average of 11-12 cents a kWh.) I ran Folding at Home, another distributed computation similar to Seti, on three G4 Macs, with a total of 4 processors. They were on 24/7, along with 3 refrigeration compressors. I have electric baseboard heaters, one of the most inefficient space heaters. I ran FAH for years on these 3. My highest monthly bill was $135 for the whole apartment.
So, yes, there is a wide range amount our electric bills, and that is why I said I had a below average per kWh rate.
But few of us are running our computers 24/7. Granted, Mac Pro users are more likely to be using a lot more CPU cycles in a day that the average Mac user. Otherwise they would not have a Mac Pro.
I still question $80 a month, but note it is possible, just improbable.
Brent
On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Don wrote:
Jim
Just some info on power usage. My computer is:
Early 2009 Mac Pro
2 x 2.93 GHz Quad Core Xeon, 6GB RAM
OS X 10.7.5
Its on an APC RS 700 UPS which has a power meter. The computer alone draws 195-230 watts depending on what I'm doing. In sleep mode the power use droops to 3 watts. I have the highest electricity rate in the U.S. and 200 watts continuously for a month would be $60.48. My monitor is plugged in to a separate outlet on the UPS that gets turned off when master outlet power use drops to some low level.
I have one USB flash drive attached that doesn't seem to notice the sleep.
Several years ago I tried running the SETI app that processes radio astronomy data for the University of California instead of letting the computer sleep. That app used all 8 cores (1-8, whatever you set as a limit) and the Mac Pro ran at just under 500 watts. I'll let UC use available CPU cycles but they have to pay the $150 a month electric bill.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
On Mar 2, 2013, at 07:13, James Robertson wrote:
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> On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:03 PM, N.A. Nada whodo678@comcast.
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>> It depends upon the external drive.
>
> How about disk image files mounted on the desktop?
>
> On my Mac Pro (which I've read can use $80/month electricity just sitting there with the monitors blanked and disks spun down but the processors still idling), I began using sleep a month or two ago. I've paid a usability price for this:
>
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Sat Mar 2, 2013 12:12 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"James Robertson" jamesrob328i
On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:41 AM, N.A. Nada whodo678@comcast.
> I use encrypted disk images to protect some data, and my MBP is set to go to sleep in 15 minutes of inactivity. I have never seen it close or dismount a disk image. Only on shut down. Look at your settings for sleep and if that fails, I would look at the way the disk image was created and set up. Why do you need a disk image for your bike computer?
When I plug the Garmin 800 GPS device into a USB port on any of my Macs, it auto-mounts a disk image (that's the way it works, either in Mac OS or Windows). Now that I've set my Mac Pro to sleep after a discrete time period, the Garmin disk image disappears (accompanied by the nagging when I wake up the Mac Pro later on).
As far as printers are concerned, I did set them up that way (as true network printers) originally, but when my grandchildren came to visit they couldn't print; I never figured out why, but when I changed printers to being shared by Bonjour, their problems went away. Bonjour also did a better job of making the same printers available to Windows machines (my own VMs and visiting people imprisoned by Dell).
Jim
Sat Mar 2, 2013 12:36 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Mar 2, 2013, at 9:13 AM, James Robertson wrote:
> 2. Once the Mac Pro goes to sleep, anyone trying to use a Bonjour shared printer is out of luck unless they go into my office and wiggle the mouse.
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> Is there some way I can save energy/money when not using the Mac Pro but simultaneously avoid these nuisances (I do have "wake for network access" checked in System Prefs. Mac Pro is running fully updated 10.8.2.
Jim,
Do you have a router that accepts USB connections? Could you connect the printer to the router and share it that way instead of through Bonjour?
Daly
Sat Mar 2, 2013 10:50 am (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Politely put. I would not have been so charitable. You forgot the majesty in her user name.
No a good first post to the list, by Jane. No question, just a whine.
Brent
On Mar 2, 2013, at 9:26 AM, James Robertson wrote:
On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Jane Klorer janemajesty11@aol.com > wrote:
> Was on a screen share with a senior advisor at iPhoto
I hesitate to say this because of your challenges, but it does seem you live your written life at too high an excitement level! Every sentence ends with an (!)! That can be as offputting for some readers as typing in all caps 50 years after we graduated from 24 X 80 character displays!
There can be less than stellar employees everywhere (go to Macintouch.com and read the tale of the NYC Apple Store Customer shaken down by the sales associate for pocketing the charger brick he'd just purchased using Apple's "Easy Checkout"), but keep in mind that phone support people are typically on a clock and may well be paid based on the length of their average call. Did you tell the support person that you were disabled and that you needed to step away from the phone with an estimate of the time it would take you to get back?
Jim!
Robertson!
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No a good first post to the list, by Jane. No question, just a whine.
Brent
On Mar 2, 2013, at 9:26 AM, James Robertson wrote:
On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Jane Klorer janemajesty11@
> Was on a screen share with a senior advisor at iPhoto
I hesitate to say this because of your challenges, but it does seem you live your written life at too high an excitement level! Every sentence ends with an (!)! That can be as offputting for some readers as typing in all caps 50 years after we graduated from 24 X 80 character displays!
There can be less than stellar employees everywhere (go to Macintouch.com and read the tale of the NYC Apple Store Customer shaken down by the sales associate for pocketing the charger brick he'd just purchased using Apple's "Easy Checkout"
Jim!
Robertson!
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Sat Mar 2, 2013 11:05 am (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
In Jane's defense, she said she was screen sharing with a senior advisor. That is probably a second tier or more likely an engineer. They are not held to quotas for numbers of call, but they usually won't hang on, at all, if you have to leave the phone.
So the rep, right there gave her the benefit of the doubt.
Brent
On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:39 AM, apple wrote:
Yes, phone support people are given kudos and probably $$ if they get over some number of customers per hour. My grandson is a phone support person.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 2, 2013, at 9:26 AM, James Robertson jamesrob@sonic.net > wrote:
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> On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Jane Klorer janemajesty11@aol.com > wrote:
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> > Was on a screen share with a senior advisor at iPhoto
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> I hesitate to say this because of your challenges, but it does seem you live your written life at too high an excitement level! Every sentence ends with an (!)! That can be as offputting for some readers as typing in all caps 50 years after we graduated from 24 X 80 character displays!
>
> There can be less than stellar employees everywhere (go to Macintouch.com and read the tale of the NYC Apple Store Customer shaken down by the sales associate for pocketing the charger brick he'd just purchased using Apple's "Easy Checkout"), but keep in mind that phone support people are typically on a clock and may well be paid based on the length of their average call. Did you tell the support person that you were disabled and that you needed to step away from the phone with an estimate of the time it would take you to get back?
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> Jim!
> Robertson!
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So the rep, right there gave her the benefit of the doubt.
Brent
On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:39 AM, apple wrote:
Yes, phone support people are given kudos and probably $$ if they get over some number of customers per hour. My grandson is a phone support person.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 2, 2013, at 9:26 AM, James Robertson jamesrob@sonic.
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> On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Jane Klorer janemajesty11@
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> > Was on a screen share with a senior advisor at iPhoto
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> I hesitate to say this because of your challenges, but it does seem you live your written life at too high an excitement level! Every sentence ends with an (!)! That can be as offputting for some readers as typing in all caps 50 years after we graduated from 24 X 80 character displays!
>
> There can be less than stellar employees everywhere (go to Macintouch.com and read the tale of the NYC Apple Store Customer shaken down by the sales associate for pocketing the charger brick he'd just purchased using Apple's "Easy Checkout"
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> Jim!
> Robertson!
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Sat Mar 2, 2013 10:59 am (PST) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
You have 3 choices:
- vote with your dollars and abstain,
- buy the Windows version and use BootCamp or another VM,
- or pay the premium, but write a complaint to the developer or seller, especially it does not have all the same functions.
Sorry, but complaining here won't change it.
If they complain about the difference in volume, that is rapidly going away, but they can complain about the changing OS. If they do remind them that Window is making huge changes, also.
Brent
On Mar 2, 2013, at 9:54 AM, neelie wrote:
I'm a Mac user from the mid 1990's and LOVE all Apple products....BUT....I'm so tired of the premium prices we sometimes have to pay for software!
Today I got an email from Ancestry.com for a special price on family tree software. It sounded good - regular price $59.99 on sale for $39.99. But at the bottom of the notice was the dreaded "not for Macs" message, with a link for the Mac version. That turns out to be $69.99, with NO sale price.
Will this ever cease?
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- vote with your dollars and abstain,
- buy the Windows version and use BootCamp or another VM,
- or pay the premium, but write a complaint to the developer or seller, especially it does not have all the same functions.
Sorry, but complaining here won't change it.
If they complain about the difference in volume, that is rapidly going away, but they can complain about the changing OS. If they do remind them that Window is making huge changes, also.
Brent
On Mar 2, 2013, at 9:54 AM, neelie wrote:
I'm a Mac user from the mid 1990's and LOVE all Apple products....
Today I got an email from Ancestry.com for a special price on family tree software. It sounded good - regular price $59.99 on sale for $39.99. But at the bottom of the notice was the dreaded "not for Macs" message, with a link for the Mac version. That turns out to be $69.99, with NO sale price.
Will this ever cease?
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