3/03/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9410

9 New Messages

Digest #9410
1a
Re: More than 1 boot device per flash drive? by "Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue
2a
Re: Mac vs PC software prices by "Carol Corley" floridabouvs
3.1
Re: external hard drive by "James Robertson" jamesrob328i
3.2
Re: external hard drive by "James Robertson" jamesrob328i
4a
Wi-FY connection timed out. by "myavid76" myavid76
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Re: Wi-FY connection timed out. by "Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
5a
SSD vs. Thunderbolt drive performance by "James Robertson" jamesrob328i
5b
Re: SSD vs. Thunderbolt drive performance by "Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue
5c
Re: SSD vs. Thunderbolt drive performance by "Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue

Messages

Sun Mar 3, 2013 7:11 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue

Dave - check this article:

http://lifehacker.com/5928780/how-to-burn-os-x-mountain-lion-to-a-dvd-or-usb-flash-drive

With a large enough USB stick you could fit several OS X versions. I've
done similar with an old USB HDD.

> Dave C davec2468@yahoo.com>
> March 2, 2013 11:53 PM
>
> I am planning to make a bootable flash drive version of an OS X
> installer disc. I'd like to have a flash drive that can be used for
> installing 3 different versions of OS X.
>
> I know I can partition the flash drive into several drives. But can I
> boot any of them, given they are formatted as bootable?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
>

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Sun Mar 3, 2013 7:17 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Carol Corley" floridabouvs

Does that not make your Mac susceptible to all the Windows viruses? And then don't you have to have Norton (or similar) on your Mac?
Carol

Bob wrote:
I run Win8 on my Mac but only for those few things I
need, and never for surfing. It is so nice not having to contend with
regular Windows issues.
Sent from my iPad 3

Sun Mar 3, 2013 7:59 am (PST) . Posted by:

"James Robertson" jamesrob328i


On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:44 PM, "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> It is not up to us to invent a new way for you.

Um, Brent, that was a joke (the bit about the tangles behind my desk).

It obviously IS a good idea, even though it will increase the number of electronic residents back there (adding a USB hub), because I have BOTH my Laser Printer and my inkjet all-in-one announced to episodic WiFi clients via Bonjour, and my AirPort Extreme N (Gigabit Ethernet) has only one USB port.

Thanks for everyone's help.

Jim

Sun Mar 3, 2013 8:02 am (PST) . Posted by:

"James Robertson" jamesrob328i


On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:58 PM, "Randy B. Singer" randy@macattorney.com> wrote:

> If, like me, you have a large collection of bread bag closures, this tip can be implemented essentially for free.

Around here, the bread companies long ago recognized that was wasted real estate that could be used for advertising!

Jim

Sun Mar 3, 2013 8:21 am (PST) . Posted by:

"myavid76" myavid76

Hello. My name is Dave. I am using a 21 in. I mac with OS X Mountain Lion. Many times when I wake my computer it will not hook up to my Wi-FY. I get a connection time out warning after about a min. I have to turn the WI-FY off and back on several times to connect. When this happens I click on my WI-FY symbol at the top right and there is no network selected. Even when my network is in the drop down menu and i click on it I still will get the warning. This problem only happens about 50% of the time i wake my I mac up. My router is only about 15 ft. away in the next room. But it seems like my computer can't find it. Any suggestions would be helpful.

Sun Mar 3, 2013 10:35 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup


On Mar 3, 2013, at 8:21 AM, myavid76 wrote:

> Hello. My name is Dave. I am using a 21 in. I mac with OS X Mountain Lion. Many times when I wake my computer it will not hook up to my Wi-FY. I get a connection time out warning after about a min. I have to turn the WI-FY off and back on several times to connect. When this happens I click on my WI-FY symbol at the top right and there is no network selected. Even when my network is in the drop down menu and i click on it I still will get the warning. This problem only happens about 50% of the time i wake my I mac up. My router is only about 15 ft. away in the next room. But it seems like my computer can't find it. Any suggestions would be helpful.

What kind of router is it?

What brand, what model?

And when did this behavior start? Was it always this way?

Daly

Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:23 am (PST) . Posted by:

"James Robertson" jamesrob328i

I have a first-gen Retina Display 15" MacBook Pro. It's about to become the host (part time) to an Enterprise Electronic Health Record (Epic) that runs only in Windows. These guys are accustomed to working with 1500 bed hospitals, but in the last few years they've been implementing their product in Medical Practices as well (I have no idea whether or not they're privately held or investor-owned, but it appears they've come close to winning the "war" for EHR predominance (I know primarily West Coast, but they've captured Stanford, UCSF, California Pacific Med Center, Kaiser Foundations Hospitals and Permanente Medical Clinics, and just recently my East Coast alma mater in New Haven, CT.

In any event, whenever I bring up the fact that my life is lived in the Mac OS, I get "we'll see" sorts of responses from IT people. I know it can be done; I don't know how hard they'll try to shield me from people doing it (via a Windows VM, of course; they have NO native client access via Mac except for a remote connection via Citrix server which is very slow).

The "minimum" spec for Windows boxes to install Epic is a 500 GB drive, Intel i3, 4 GB RAM. I'm OK on all but the hard drive. It appears the options will be to replace my SSD with a much larger one, or perhaps put ALL my data on a Thunderbolt drive.

The whole thing is complicated still more because they want their entire installation to be encrypted using Credant encryption software, and they've not yet told me whether they mean encrypting just my Windows VM or my entire physical SSD (fortunately, Credant does have both Windows and Mac products, but I don't know yet whether the Mac product is compatible with OS X 10.8.

I'm hoping to have answers for all the IT objections (I think they've learned by now "we don't work with Macs" is no longer an acceptable "final answer."

Can anyone here offer me an "order-of-magnitude" comparison between running everything from an SSD vs. some data access from a Thunderbolt drive? I'm not asking for precision that requires 2 decimal places; just the kind of eye-popping difference that comes from booting an SSD vs. booting a fast hard drive.

Thanks so much,

--
Jim Robertson
__o
_-\<,_
(*)/ (*)
```````````````````````````````````````````````````````
My other car is an S-Works Roubaix

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Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:50 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue

Hi Jim;

Be careful not to confuse the drive technology (spinning platters vs.
SSD (solid state drive)), and the connections (USB vs Thunderbolt vs
Firewire). You can put an SSD drive in a Firewire enclosure/connection
and it will be faster than an equivalent sized drive with a USB
connection. That is, the drive and the connection need to be considered
separately.

> James Robertson jamesrob@sonic.net>
> March 3, 2013 9:23 AM
>
> I have a first-gen Retina Display 15" MacBook Pro. It's about to
> become the host (part time) to an Enterprise Electronic Health Record
> (Epic) that runs only in Windows. These guys are accustomed to working
> with 1500 bed hospitals, but in the last few years they've been
> implementing their product in Medical Practices as well (I have no
> idea whether or not they're privately held or investor-owned, but it
> appears they've come close to winning the "war" for EHR predominance
> (I know primarily West Coast, but they've captured Stanford, UCSF,
> California Pacific Med Center, Kaiser Foundations Hospitals and
> Permanente Medical Clinics, and just recently my East Coast alma mater
> in New Haven, CT.
>
> In any event, whenever I bring up the fact that my life is lived in
> the Mac OS, I get "we'll see" sorts of responses from IT people. I
> know it can be done; I don't know how hard they'll try to shield me
> from people doing it (via a Windows VM, of course; they have NO native
> client access via Mac except for a remote connection via Citrix server
> which is very slow).
>
> The "minimum" spec for Windows boxes to install Epic is a 500 GB
> drive, Intel i3, 4 GB RAM. I'm OK on all but the hard drive. It
> appears the options will be to replace my SSD with a much larger one,
> or perhaps put ALL my data on a Thunderbolt drive.
>
> The whole thing is complicated still more because they want their
> entire installation to be encrypted using Credant encryption software,
> and they've not yet told me whether they mean encrypting just my
> Windows VM or my entire physical SSD (fortunately, Credant does have
> both Windows and Mac products, but I don't know yet whether the Mac
> product is compatible with OS X 10.8.
>
> I'm hoping to have answers for all the IT objections (I think they've
> learned by now "we don't work with Macs" is no longer an acceptable
> "final answer."
>
> Can anyone here offer me an "order-of-magnitude&quot; comparison between
> running everything from an SSD vs. some data access from a Thunderbolt
> drive? I'm not asking for precision that requires 2 decimal places;
> just the kind of eye-popping difference that comes from booting an SSD
> vs. booting a fast hard drive.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> --
> Jim Robertson
> __o
> _-\<,_
> (*)/ (*)
> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> My other car is an S-Works Roubaix
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Sun Mar 3, 2013 10:17 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Tim O'Donoghue" timodonoghue

Or rather, an SSD drive will be faster than a spinning drive in the same
enclosure - USB, FireWire, Thunderbolt, etc.

Must have more coffee ...

> Tim O'Donoghue tjod@runbox.com>
> March 3, 2013 9:50 AM
>
> Hi Jim;
>
> Be careful not to confuse the drive technology (spinning platters vs.
> SSD (solid state drive)), and the connections (USB vs Thunderbolt vs
> Firewire). You can put an SSD drive in a Firewire enclosure/connection
> and it will be faster than an equivalent sized drive with a USB
> connection. That is, the drive and the connection need to be considered
> separately.
>
> > James Robertson jamesrob@sonic.net >
> > March 3, 2013 9:23 AM
> >
> > I have a first-gen Retina Display 15" MacBook Pro. It's about to
> > become the host (part time) to an Enterprise Electronic Health Record
> > (Epic) that runs only in Windows. These guys are accustomed to working
> > with 1500 bed hospitals, but in the last few years they've been
> > implementing their product in Medical Practices as well (I have no
> > idea whether or not they're privately held or investor-owned, but it
> > appears they've come close to winning the "war" for EHR predominance
> > (I know primarily West Coast, but they've captured Stanford, UCSF,
> > California Pacific Med Center, Kaiser Foundations Hospitals and
> > Permanente Medical Clinics, and just recently my East Coast alma mater
> > in New Haven, CT.
> >
> > In any event, whenever I bring up the fact that my life is lived in
> > the Mac OS, I get "we'll see" sorts of responses from IT people. I
> > know it can be done; I don't know how hard they'll try to shield me
> > from people doing it (via a Windows VM, of course; they have NO native
> > client access via Mac except for a remote connection via Citrix server
> > which is very slow).
> >
> > The "minimum" spec for Windows boxes to install Epic is a 500 GB
> > drive, Intel i3, 4 GB RAM. I'm OK on all but the hard drive. It
> > appears the options will be to replace my SSD with a much larger one,
> > or perhaps put ALL my data on a Thunderbolt drive.
> >
> > The whole thing is complicated still more because they want their
> > entire installation to be encrypted using Credant encryption software,
> > and they've not yet told me whether they mean encrypting just my
> > Windows VM or my entire physical SSD (fortunately, Credant does have
> > both Windows and Mac products, but I don't know yet whether the Mac
> > product is compatible with OS X 10.8.
> >
> > I'm hoping to have answers for all the IT objections (I think they've
> > learned by now "we don't work with Macs" is no longer an acceptable
> > "final answer."
> >
> > Can anyone here offer me an "order-of-magnitude&quot; comparison between
> > running everything from an SSD vs. some data access from a Thunderbolt
> > drive? I'm not asking for precision that requires 2 decimal places;
> > just the kind of eye-popping difference that comes from booting an SSD
> > vs. booting a fast hard drive.
> >
> > Thanks so much,
> >
> > --
> > Jim Robertson
> > __o
> > _-\<,_
> > (*)/ (*)
> > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> > My other car is an S-Works Roubaix
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> James Robertson jamesrob@sonic.net>
> March 3, 2013 9:23 AM
>
> I have a first-gen Retina Display 15" MacBook Pro. It's about to
> become the host (part time) to an Enterprise Electronic Health Record
> (Epic) that runs only in Windows. These guys are accustomed to working
> with 1500 bed hospitals, but in the last few years they've been
> implementing their product in Medical Practices as well (I have no
> idea whether or not they're privately held or investor-owned, but it
> appears they've come close to winning the "war" for EHR predominance
> (I know primarily West Coast, but they've captured Stanford, UCSF,
> California Pacific Med Center, Kaiser Foundations Hospitals and
> Permanente Medical Clinics, and just recently my East Coast alma mater
> in New Haven, CT.
>
> In any event, whenever I bring up the fact that my life is lived in
> the Mac OS, I get "we'll see" sorts of responses from IT people. I
> know it can be done; I don't know how hard they'll try to shield me
> from people doing it (via a Windows VM, of course; they have NO native
> client access via Mac except for a remote connection via Citrix server
> which is very slow).
>
> The "minimum" spec for Windows boxes to install Epic is a 500 GB
> drive, Intel i3, 4 GB RAM. I'm OK on all but the hard drive. It
> appears the options will be to replace my SSD with a much larger one,
> or perhaps put ALL my data on a Thunderbolt drive.
>
> The whole thing is complicated still more because they want their
> entire installation to be encrypted using Credant encryption software,
> and they've not yet told me whether they mean encrypting just my
> Windows VM or my entire physical SSD (fortunately, Credant does have
> both Windows and Mac products, but I don't know yet whether the Mac
> product is compatible with OS X 10.8.
>
> I'm hoping to have answers for all the IT objections (I think they've
> learned by now "we don't work with Macs" is no longer an acceptable
> "final answer."
>
> Can anyone here offer me an "order-of-magnitude&quot; comparison between
> running everything from an SSD vs. some data access from a Thunderbolt
> drive? I'm not asking for precision that requires 2 decimal places;
> just the kind of eye-popping difference that comes from booting an SSD
> vs. booting a fast hard drive.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> --
> Jim Robertson
> __o
> _-\<,_
> (*)/ (*)
> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> My other car is an S-Works Roubaix
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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