6/13/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 8945

Messages In This Digest (17 Messages)

1a.
Re: Problems with Lion From: keith_w @dslextreme.com
1b.
Re: Problems with Lion From: Otto Nikolaus
1c.
Re: Problems with Lion From: Chris Jones
1d.
Re: Problems with Lion From: Otto Nikolaus
1e.
Re: Problems with Lion From: N.A. Nada
2a.
Re: ideas for comparing lists? From: Dane Robison
2b.
Re: ideas for comparing lists? From: Otto Nikolaus
2c.
Re: ideas for comparing lists? From: Dane Robison
2d.
Re: ideas for comparing lists? From: Daly Jessup
2e.
Re: ideas for comparing lists? From: Otto Nikolaus
2f.
Re: ideas for comparing lists? From: Dane Robison
2g.
Re: ideas for comparing lists? From: Chris Jones
2h.
Re: ideas for comparing lists? From: Dane Reugger
2i.
Re: ideas for comparing lists? From: Alan Fry
3.1.
Re: Lion and "save as" From: Jurgen Richter
3.2.
Re: Lion and "save as" From: N.A. Nada
4.
Outdoor Wi-Fi extenders, repeaters or whatever they're called From: Bill B.

Messages

1a.

Re: Problems with Lion

Posted by: "keith_w @dslextreme.com" keith_w@dslextreme.com   keith9600

Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:30 am (PDT)



What's an SSD?

BTW, the more time I spend with Lion 10.7.3 on my mid-2011 iMac, the more I
like both!
A week ago, I would have denied that possibility, but today...I'm learning
both and am very pleased. Against my will you understand, but like Mikey, I
LIKE IT! <g>

keith

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net>wrote:

> i had a similar problem with logging into my iMac. it wouldn't accept my
> password.
> i think i re-installed SL, and things worked themselves out.
> i got sent off for my SSD yesterday.
> Withdrawal time.
> maybe call the developer?
> good luck.
>
> doug
> On Jun 12, 2012, at 4:20 PM, keith_w @dslextreme.com wrote:
>
> > Keith Whaley here…
> > Mid-2011 iMac, OS 10.7.3 (!), SM v. 2.9.1.
> >
> > Just migrated a lot of stuff from my old iMac, which had OS 10.6.8.
> >
> > One of my problems now is:
> >
> > After setting up my incoming (pop3) and outgoing (.smtp) servers with the
> > appropriate data, it forever wants a password I can't find…
> > The cycle keeps asking me to enter a new password, but… I haven't a clue
> as
> > to how to do that.
> > Password manager has a password for .smtp, but in practice, SeaMonkey
> will
> > not accept it.
> >
> > I tried almost all the others I think might work, but none have so
> far...
> > I don't know what to do next. Help?
> >
> > I tried having NO passwords, but SM says that's a no-no.
> > I'd like to find where I can change or view what that PW is, but can't
> find.
> >
> > kw
> >
> > I have a dozen other questions that are "Where the blazes do I find
> > [so-and-so] item I used to have?" Such as the various Widgets? I want to
> be
> > able to access Wikipedia and Google and such things at my whim.
> > I found Dashboard, but it only has about half the Widgets my old OS used
> to
> > have. Stuff like that.
> >
> >
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1b.

Re: Problems with Lion

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:50 am (PDT)



Solid State Drive, as used in MacBook Airs and now MacBook Pros, although
Apple call it Flash Storage.
<http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/>

Otto

On 13 June 2012 12:30, keith_w @dslextreme.com <keith_w@dslextreme.com>wrote:

> What's an SSD?
>
> BTW, the more time I spend with Lion 10.7.3 on my mid-2011 iMac, the more I
> like both!
> A week ago, I would have denied that possibility, but today...I'm learning
> both and am very pleased. Against my will you understand, but like Mikey, I
> LIKE IT! <g>
>

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1c.

Re: Problems with Lion

Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk   bobstermcbob

Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:30 am (PDT)



On 13/06/12 12:50, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Solid State Drive, as used in MacBook Airs and now MacBook Pros, although
> Apple call it Flash Storage.
> <http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/>

To get picky, the difference is actually much more than just Apple
calling it something different.

The term SSD refers to an actual drive, i.e. something with the same
form factor and connections as a traditional hard drive. You can take a
machine with a traditional drive, remove it, plug in a compatible SSD
and away you go.

The MacBooks don't use SSDs, in that there is no separate drive that can
be removed. The memory chips, which is where the term flash storage
comes in, are directly connected to the motherboard. This allows Apple
to save space, as all the overheads of the drive are removed, and they
can place them as and where they want. The downside is upgrading is no
longer possible. SSD use the same flash storage inside their drive cases.

Chris

>
> Otto
>
> On 13 June 2012 12:30, keith_w @dslextreme.com<keith_w@dslextreme.com>wrote:
>
>> What's an SSD?
>>
>> BTW, the more time I spend with Lion 10.7.3 on my mid-2011 iMac, the more I
>> like both!
>> A week ago, I would have denied that possibility, but today...I'm learning
>> both and am very pleased. Against my will you understand, but like Mikey, I
>> LIKE IT!<g>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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1d.

Re: Problems with Lion

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:59 am (PDT)



On 13 June 2012 13:30, Chris Jones <jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>
> To get picky, the difference is actually much more than just Apple
> calling it something different.
>
> The term SSD refers to an actual drive, i.e. something with the same
> form factor and connections as a traditional hard drive. You can take a
> machine with a traditional drive, remove it, plug in a compatible SSD
> and away you go.
>
> The MacBooks don't use SSDs, in that there is no separate drive that can
> be removed. The memory chips, which is where the term flash storage
> comes in, are directly connected to the motherboard. This allows Apple
> to save space, as all the overheads of the drive are removed, and they
> can place them as and where they want. The downside is upgrading is no
> longer possible. SSD use the same flash storage inside their drive cases.
>

You are correct, of course. Using actual "SSDs" means that
notebooks/laptops can be made no smaller/thinner than they can using HDDs
(ignoring heat considerations). Apple wanted to maximise the advantage of
Flash storage in terms of size.

Is anyone else using Flash in this way, other than in phones and tablets?

Otto

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1e.

Re: Problems with Lion

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:44 am (PDT)



I'm glad you like it, IIRC you were hesitant.

A simple web search will bring up many answers to the question of what a SSD is. And you would figure out that it is a solid state drive. If you want a more in depth answer, then do a web search.

Brent

On Jun 13, 2012, at 4:30 AM, keith_w @dslextreme.com wrote:

What's an SSD?

BTW, the more time I spend with Lion 10.7.3 on my mid-2011 iMac, the more I
like both!
A week ago, I would have denied that possibility, but today...I'm learning
both and am very pleased. Against my will you understand, but like Mikey, I
LIKE IT! <g>

keith

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Doug Yelmen <dougyelmen@earthlink.net>wrote:

> i had a similar problem with logging into my iMac. it wouldn't accept my
> password.
> i think i re-installed SL, and things worked themselves out.
> i got sent off for my SSD yesterday.
> Withdrawal time.
> maybe call the developer?
> good luck.
>
> doug

2a.

Re: ideas for comparing lists?

Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com   macdane1

Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:39 am (PDT)



> Apple's "File Merge" which is free and part of 'Developer Tools'. It might be worth having a look -- I am assuming it is possible to download it from the 'App Store' separately without the rest of the developer stuff. I don't know if it would be better than BBEdit for your purposes.
>
> Alan Fry

Thanks guys, but as far as I can tell both File Merge and DiffMerge fall into the same camp as some of the others. That is, they're good at *merging* the contents of two files such that every item appearing in each file will appear once and only once in the resulting merged file. What I'm looking for � and I may not be wording it clearly � is something to ensure that items from the first file are removed from the second file.

Some proposed solutions may do this, but don't fall under my "quick and easy" requirement. I appreciate all of your suggestions but will just handle this one manually.

Thanks also for mentioning DirectMail, Randy. That's way more than I need right now, but looks like a good prospect for some other projects down the road.

Best,
Dane
2b.

Re: ideas for comparing lists?

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:03 am (PDT)



On 13 June 2012 13:39, Dane Robison <macdane@mac.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks guys, but as far as I can tell both File Merge and DiffMerge fall
> into the same camp as some of the others. That is, they're good at
> *merging* the contents of two files such that every item appearing in each
> file will appear once and only once in the resulting merged file. What I'm
> looking for � and I may not be wording it clearly � is something to ensure
> that items from the first file are removed from the second file.
>
> Some proposed solutions may do this, but don't fall under my "quick and
> easy" requirement. I appreciate all of your suggestions but will just
> handle this one manually.
>
> Thanks also for mentioning DirectMail, Randy. That's way more than I need
> right now, but looks like a good prospect for some other projects down the
> road.
>

I'm sure that this could be done with a Unix script, although I've
forgotten how. What is the format of the files? How many addresses in each?

Otto

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2c.

Re: ideas for comparing lists?

Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com   macdane1

Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:11 am (PDT)



On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> On 13 June 2012 13:39, Dane Robison <macdane@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys, but as far as I can tell both File Merge and DiffMerge fall
>> into the same camp as some of the others. That is, they're good at
>> *merging* the contents of two files such that every item appearing in each
>> file will appear once and only once in the resulting merged file. What I'm
>> looking for � and I may not be wording it clearly � is something to ensure
>> that items from the first file are removed from the second file.
>>
>> Some proposed solutions may do this, but don't fall under my "quick and
>> easy" requirement. I appreciate all of your suggestions but will just
>> handle this one manually.
>>
>> Thanks also for mentioning DirectMail, Randy. That's way more than I need
>> right now, but looks like a good prospect for some other projects down the
>> road.
>
> I'm sure that this could be done with a Unix script, although I've
> forgotten how. What is the format of the files? How many addresses in each?
>
> Otto

Thanks Otto, but I've already invested too much time looking into this and have decided to proceed manually.

Dane
2d.

Re: ideas for comparing lists?

Posted by: "Daly Jessup" jessup@san.rr.com   dalyjessup

Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:17 am (PDT)




On Jun 13, 2012, at 12:12 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:

> http://directmailmac.com/

Randy,
What a GREAT program! I have already recommended it to a friend who needs just that - a simple way to keep in touch with her (few) clients for her home organizing business.

But I haven't been able to figure out how to use it to generate a list that includes only new addresses being added to the address list. Have you worked out a method?

I can see that it will list all addresses that are duplicates when adding a new list, but how do you reduce the list to JUST the new ones?

Daly
2e.

Re: ideas for comparing lists?

Posted by: "Otto Nikolaus" otto.nikolaus@googlemail.com   nikyzf

Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:44 am (PDT)



On 13 June 2012 14:11, Dane Robison <macdane@mac.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks Otto, but I've already invested too much time looking into this and
> have decided to proceed manually.
>

OK. Whichever way you do it (spreadsheet?), sort the 2 lists before you
start.
;)
Otto

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2f.

Re: ideas for comparing lists?

Posted by: "Dane Robison" macdane@mac.com   macdane1

Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:55 am (PDT)



On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> On 13 June 2012 14:11, Dane Robison <macdane@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Otto, but I've already invested too much time looking into this and
>> have decided to proceed manually.
>
> OK. Whichever way you do it (spreadsheet?), sort the 2 lists before you
> start.

I did, Otto, thanks!

2g.

Re: ideas for comparing lists?

Posted by: "Chris Jones" jonesc@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk   bobstermcbob

Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:58 am (PDT)



Hi,

> I'm sure that this could be done with a Unix script, although I've
> forgotten how. What is the format of the files? How many addresses in each?

If they are plain tex files, then 'comm' can do it for you.

Open terminal. Assuming you then have two files, A.txt and B.txt containing the two lists.

> Chris-Jones-Macbook-Pro ~ > cat A.txt
> A
> B
> D
> E
> Chris-Jones-Macbook-Pro ~ > cat B.txt
> A
> B
> C
> D
> E
> F
>

Then just run

Chris-Jones-Macbook-Pro ~ > comm -3 B.txt A.txt
C
F

to save the list that is produced to a third text file.

comm -3 B.txt A.txt | cat > C.txt

C.txt contains your list.

Chris

> Otto
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2h.

Re: ideas for comparing lists?

Posted by: "Dane Reugger" dane@downtownpc.com   dar2112

Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:00 am (PDT)



You could also try some of the web based email list managers like
http://www.constantcontact.com, http://mailchimp.com, or
http://www.madmimi.com.

They all have powerful reporting and I think mail chimp has a plan that is
free for very low volume.

-Dane

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Daly Jessup <jessup@san.rr.com> wrote:

> able to figure out how to use it to generate a list that includes only new
> addresses being added to the address list. Have you worked out a method?
>

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2i.

Re: ideas for comparing lists?

Posted by: "Alan Fry" ajf@afco.demon.co.uk   alanjohnfry

Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:09 am (PDT)




On 13 Jun 2012, at 14:03, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

> On 13 June 2012 13:39, Dane Robison <macdane@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks guys, but as far as I can tell both File Merge and DiffMerge fall
>> into the same camp as some of the others. That is, they're good at
>> *merging* the contents of two files such that every item appearing in each
>> file will appear once and only once in the resulting merged file. What I'm
>> looking for ˜ and I may not be wording it clearly ˜ is something to ensure
>> that items from the first file are removed from the second file.
>>
>> Some proposed solutions may do this, but don't fall under my "quick and
>> easy" requirement. I appreciate all of your suggestions but will just
>> handle this one manually.
>>
>> Thanks also for mentioning DirectMail, Randy. That's way more than I need
>> right now, but looks like a good prospect for some other projects down the
>> road.
>>
>
> I'm sure that this could be done with a Unix script, although I've
> forgotten how. What is the format of the files? How many addresses in each?
>
> Otto

Perl would be probably a better choice. I would open both files (say fileA & fileB), as lists, and then take B line by line looking to see if that line occurred in A. If it does, ignore it, if it doesn't then write it to file C. FileC would contain just the new lines in fileB which were not present in fileA.

It would take about half a dozen lines of script. If you would like to go down this route Dane, let me know.

Alan Fry
3.1.

Re: Lion and "save as"

Posted by: "Jurgen Richter" yahoo-1@sympatico.ca   epsongroups

Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:05 am (PDT)



"The only Duplicate is in the Finder bar under Edit - trouble is it's
greyed out."

It's only greyed out if no file, folder or drive has been selected
before trying to duplicate [it], since it can not duplicate "nothing".

3.2.

Re: Lion and "save as"

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:46 am (PDT)



What OS are you running? Does the drop down menu show the keystrokes?

On Jun 13, 2012, at 6:05 AM, Jurgen Richter wrote:

"The only Duplicate is in the Finder bar under Edit - trouble is it's
greyed out."

It's only greyed out if no file, folder or drive has been selected
before trying to duplicate [it], since it can not duplicate "nothing".

4.

Outdoor Wi-Fi extenders, repeaters or whatever they're called

Posted by: "Bill B." bill501@mindspring.com   kernos501

Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:27 am (PDT)



Outdoor Wi-Fi extenders, repeaters or whatever they're called...

Do such things exist that would work with Airport extreme? I need to get outside a metal building.

TIA,

Bill

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