6/12/2013

[macsupport] Digest Number 9596

15 New Messages

Digest #9596
1a
Re: adding RAM to an iMac by "JR" jrosen82@sbcglobal.net
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Re: adding RAM to an iMac by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
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Re: adding RAM to an iMac by "Denver Dan" denverdan22180
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Re: adding RAM to an iMac by "Barry Austern" barryaus
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Re: adding RAM to an iMac by "HAL9000" jrswebhome
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Re: adding RAM to an iMac by "HAL9000" jrswebhome
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Re: adding RAM to an iMac by "bobbystar" bobbystar
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Re: adding RAM to an iMac by "bobbystar" bobbystar
2a
Re: Email a weakness by "Carol Corley" floridabouvs
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Re: Email a weakness by "N.A. Nada"
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Re: apps so good ??? by "Jim Showalter" jshowalt94127
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Re: apps so good ??? by "N.A. Nada"

Messages

Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:46 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"JR" jrosen82@sbcglobal.net

HI BOB!

Your iMac can actually go to 32gb RAM... 4, 8gb chips.

Go to http://www.macsales.com which is Other World Computing and there you can configure your system and see exactly what you need and your costs.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "bobbystar&quot; <bobbystar@...> wrote:
>
> I have a "late 2009 21.5" iMac with the original 4Gb of Ram. Two of the four slots are empty.
>
> The computer can take up to 16Gb of RAM.
>
> I have seen conflicting information regarding if I can add two additional 4Gb modules or if I have to add only two 2Gb modules. In other words some say the memory in each slot must match.
>
> From what I see on the Apple web site and the Crucial web site I have flexibility as to what I can add. However, elsewhere I have seen it stated that all the memory modules must be the same size.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>

Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:51 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Denver Dan" denverdan22180

Howdy.

Bob, check this Apple tech article on how to install RAM in your model
iMac and which RAM slots can and can not be populated with RAM. I
think there is a restriction on using only a single chip in one slot of
one bank.

Many Macs support "memory interleaving."

Your iMac supports something called "memory interleaving." Memory
interleaving, when RAM is added in matching pairs, will somewhat speed
up some of your computer's operations. I've seen reports in the past
that this can be from about 5% to 15% faster. It depends on what you
do and what kind of files and work you do.

The exact nature of where "matching pairs" are inserted depends on the
specific model computer.

I suspect a misunderstanding of the memory interleaving is where you
have been seeing two conflicting positions on adding RAM.

Your iMac has two RAM banks and each bank has two slots for RAM chips.

You can put in mismatched RAM chip sizes if you wish but doing that
will not utilize the memory interleaving feature.

So you can add two 4 GB chips to one bank and two more 4 GB chips to
the second bank and you will have memory interleaving turned on for a
total of 16 GB of RAM

Or, you could have two 2 GB chips in the first bank and add two 4 GB
chips in the second bank and memory interleaving will be on for a total
of 12 GB of RAM.

If you have the current two 2 GB chips in the first bank and add one 2
GB chip and one 4 GB chip to 2nd bank then memory interleaving will not
be on. Computer will work fine but not quite as fast.

Denver Dan

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:29:48 +0000, bobbystar wrote:
> I have a "late 2009 21.5" iMac with the original 4Gb of Ram. Two of
> the four slots are empty.
>
> The computer can take up to 16Gb of RAM.
>
> I have seen conflicting information regarding if I can add two
> additional 4Gb modules or if I have to add only two 2Gb modules. In
> other words some say the memory in each slot must match.
>
> From what I see on the Apple web site and the Crucial web site I have
> flexibility as to what I can add. However, elsewhere I have seen it
> stated that all the memory modules must be the same size.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
>

Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Denver Dan" denverdan22180

WHOOPS!

Tech support article on adding RAM to your Mac link.

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1423#1>

Denver Dan

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:51:56 -0400, Denver Dan wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Bob, check this Apple tech article on how to install RAM in your model
> iMac and which RAM slots can and can not be populated with RAM. I
> think there is a restriction on using only a single chip in one slot of
> one bank.
>
> Many Macs support "memory interleaving."
>
> Your iMac supports something called "memory interleaving." Memory
> interleaving, when RAM is added in matching pairs, will somewhat speed
> up some of your computer's operations. I've seen reports in the past
> that this can be from about 5% to 15% faster. It depends on what you
> do and what kind of files and work you do.
>
> The exact nature of where "matching pairs" are inserted depends on the
> specific model computer.
>
> I suspect a misunderstanding of the memory interleaving is where you
> have been seeing two conflicting positions on adding RAM.
>
> Your iMac has two RAM banks and each bank has two slots for RAM chips.
>
> You can put in mismatched RAM chip sizes if you wish but doing that
> will not utilize the memory interleaving feature.
>

Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Barry Austern" barryaus


On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Bill Boulware wrote:

> All four do not have to match but you want to make sure each pair matches
> so if you have 2 x 2GB and want to add 2 x 4GB for 12GB total - go for it
> or you can replace all of them for 4 x 4GB for 16GB. My newer Dec 2012
> iMac has 2 x 4GB and 2 x 8GB for total 24GB

Wow! I remember when a RAM upgrade was adding a 16k "language card" to an Apple ][+ to bring it from 48k to 64k
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net

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Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"HAL9000" jrswebhome

I checked OWC. Since your max is 16GB, you could install:

2-8GB sticks w 2 slots empty
4-4GB sticks
2-4GB sticks plus 2-2GB sticks
4-2GB sticks
2-2GB sticks w 2 slots empty

Install your memory in pairs, in paired slots.
Installing more than 16 would be a waste as the
computer won't use it, and I don't know if there
would be resulting issues.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "bobbystar&quot; <bobbystar@...> wrote:
>
> I have a "late 2009 21.5" iMac with the original 4Gb of Ram. Two of the four slots are empty.
>
> The computer can take up to 16Gb of RAM.
>
> I have seen conflicting information regarding if I can add two additional 4Gb modules or if I have to add only two 2Gb modules. In other words some say the memory in each slot must match.
>
> From what I see on the Apple web site and the Crucial web site I have flexibility as to what I can add. However, elsewhere I have seen it stated that all the memory modules must be the same size.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>

Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"HAL9000" jrswebhome

Not according to OWC. They say 16.

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/iMac/DDR3_21.5_27

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "JR" <jrosen82@...> wrote:
>
> HI BOB!
>
> Your iMac can actually go to 32gb RAM... 4, 8gb chips.
>
> Go to http://www.macsales.com which is Other World Computing and there you can configure your system and see exactly what you need and your costs.
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "bobbystar&quot; <bobbystar@> wrote:
> >
> > I have a "late 2009 21.5" iMac with the original 4Gb of Ram. Two of the four slots are empty.
> >
> > The computer can take up to 16Gb of RAM.
> >
> > I have seen conflicting information regarding if I can add two additional 4Gb modules or if I have to add only two 2Gb modules. In other words some say the memory in each slot must match.
> >
> > From what I see on the Apple web site and the Crucial web site I have flexibility as to what I can add. However, elsewhere I have seen it stated that all the memory modules must be the same size.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob
> >
>

Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"bobbystar" bobbystar

Thanks for the tip.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Dave C <davec2468@...> wrote:
>
>
> Bob sez:
> I have seen conflicting information regarding if I can add two additional 4Gb modules or if I have to add only two 2Gb modules. In other words some say the memory in each slot must match.
>
> OWC is the authority when it comes to upgrading RAM on my Macs. Send them an email with your questions and they will be most helpful. Good prices on memory, too.
>
> http://www.macsales.com
>
> Dave
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:41 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"bobbystar" bobbystar

Thanks for the help.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@...> wrote:
>
> All four do not have to match but you want to make sure each pair matches
> so if you have 2 x 2GB and want to add 2 x 4GB for 12GB total - go for it
> or you can replace all of them for 4 x 4GB for 16GB. My newer Dec 2012
> iMac has 2 x 4GB and 2 x 8GB for total 24GB
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, bobbystar <bobbystar@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I have a "late 2009 21.5" iMac with the original 4Gb of Ram. Two of the
> > four slots are empty.
> >
> > The computer can take up to 16Gb of RAM.
> >
> > I have seen conflicting information regarding if I can add two additional
> > 4Gb modules or if I have to add only two 2Gb modules. In other words some
> > say the memory in each slot must match.
> >
> > From what I see on the Apple web site and the Crucial web site I have
> > flexibility as to what I can add. However, elsewhere I have seen it stated
> > that all the memory modules must be the same size.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:54 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Carol Corley" floridabouvs

Yes, have tried that. It just keeps coming,back and,there is a little squiggly line in the left column next to that email and nothing new comes in.
I will call Apple again. Truly a puzzle.
Carol

Have you tried clicking Cancel when it happens, then checking for new mail again? That always works for me.

David

Sent from my iPad 3

Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Carol,

The problem is not with Apple, it is most likely with Yahoo! I would have said definitely with Yahoo, until you said you lost both phone and FIOS. Apparently you are located in Florida, but are you urban or rural?

You use gmail, obviously, are you having any problems with gmail? If not, switch your yahoo email accounts over to gmail, and drop yahoo like a hot potato. I'm not talking about forwarding the yahoo, but closing all your yahoo accounts.

So far I have had whodo678 on AOL, Earthstink, Verizon, and now Comcast.

I'm 95% certain the problem is with Yahoo. Have you called their customer service? Oh, that's right they don't have one, because it is free, and they don't care.

Brent

On Jun 12, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Carol Corley wrote:

So far nothing has worked to solve my problem of the iMac not recognizing one Yahoo email account password. I did the keystroke thing, and that worked until the next day.
So I called Apple techs, and they walked me through a bunch of stuff, which didn't work. They were going to put me on with an email expert, but my FiOS burped and I lost phone and email for a second, just enough to disconnect the Apple expert, and when I called back I got his VM. So I'll try again later today.
In the meantime, I deleted the one Yahoo email account that I was having all the problems with. I can't understand why it persistently does not like only one of 4 Yahoo accounts.
BTW, he had me change my Yahoo PW, and that didn't help.
Sigh,
Carol

Sent from my iPad 3

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Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:21 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

It is not the most exciting image. Not one I would pick for a product icon. It might make a fair desktop photo, not having too many distracting things to make it hard to find the tiny icons and labels I keep on mine.

But you know what, I don't buy software because of its icon or label.

Brent

On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:32 AM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

Thanks. I can't say I have much opinion either way.

Otto

On 12 June 2013 08:30, HAL9000 <jrswebhome@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://images.apple.com/home/images/osx_hero_2x.jpg
>
> Sorry folks. here it is. Its just dull in contrast and color to me.
>

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Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Add one more set of older eyes, that needs more contrast for visibility and usability in both OS X and iOS.

To coin a phrase, 50 shades of grey on a tech device, makes for hard reading.

Pump Up the Contrast!!!!

Brent

On Jun 12, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Dave C wrote:

This has got to stop. Art (look & feel) is one thing but to extend this to the point of affecting the useability is beyond the pale.

This is the major reason that even though I bought a modern Mini (2011) I "downgraded&quot; to 10.6 -- it has not gone with the low contrast system fonts.

I have configured a function key with the web service "Zap" which converts a web page to black text for easier reading.

But can't do this for system fonts, as far as I know...

At the very least put a setting for "text minimum contrast" in Sys Prefs that allows the user to choose how light/dark the fonts are.

Dave

Sent from my iPod

On 12 Jun 2013, at 05:54 AM, "Ken" wrote:

This has already become an issue with my 62 year old eyes. Any opportunity to join the chorus to get it improved, I will take. Thanks.
Ken S.

I agree about the poor contrast though, like the Apple hardware that has light grey-on-white type.

Otto

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Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"bob morin" rbmorin2002


On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:31 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> Add one more set of older eyes, that needs more contrast for visibility and usability in both OS X and iOS.
>
> To coin a phrase, 50 shades of grey on a tech device, makes for hard reading.
>
> Pump Up the Contrast!!!!
>

I have noticed magazines like Time in the US have gone to similar - white or pale yellow on shades of grey etc. They win design competitions but frankly lose readers especially older ones.

bob

bob morin
rbmorin11@gmail.com

Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Jim Showalter" jshowalt94127

I don't see the point of having posted this.

On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> http://mad.ly/3554b3?pact=15810981227&fe=1
>
> This is the Security Bundle 2013 from MacLegion.
>
> Thirty bucks (down from 360$) for six apps.
>
> Not sure that I see the point of any of these.
>
> Oneal
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"N.A. Nada"

Me neither, especially if the OP doesn't see the point.

BTW, 2 of the apps are from Intego which is a big self-promoter by use of scare tactics.

I did not use the link, since who knows where it goes, I did a search for MacLegion. The abbreviated link made it look suspicious, added to the disconnected grammar (Oneal usually writes better), and the too-good-to-be-true discount.

On Jun 12, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Jim Showalter wrote:

I don't see the point of having posted this.

On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Oneal Neumann <wardell.h.s@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> http://mad.ly/3554b3?pact=15810981227&fe=1
>
> This is the Security Bundle 2013 from MacLegion.
>
> Thirty bucks (down from 360$) for six apps.
>
> Not sure that I see the point of any of these.
>
> Oneal
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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