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Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
Queried their online customer support just now, they say stilled owned privately by founder. Whew, close one. Not sure how Corel keeps it's door open except for Painter.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> I've just hear a tale that OWC, the Other World Computing online sales
> company, has been sold to Corel.
>
> I can't find any references to this online.
>
> Is it fact or fiction? Any thoughts?
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. If this were true, I'd be concerned because Corel has a rather bad
> reputation for dealing with Macintosh products and software.
>
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Howdy.
>
> I've just hear a tale that OWC, the Other World Computing online sales
> company, has been sold to Corel.
>
> I can't find any references to this online.
>
> Is it fact or fiction? Any thoughts?
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. If this were true, I'd be concerned because Corel has a rather bad
> reputation for dealing with Macintosh products and software.
>
Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"HAL9000" jrswebhome
Queried their online customer support just now, they say still owned privately
by founder.
Whew, close one. Not sure how Corel keeps it's door open except for
Painter.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> I've just hear a tale that OWC, the Other World Computing online sales
> company, has been sold to Corel.
>
> I can't find any references to this online.
>
> Is it fact or fiction? Any thoughts?
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. If this were true, I'd be concerned because Corel has a rather bad
> reputation for dealing with Macintosh products and software.
>
by founder.
Whew, close one. Not sure how Corel keeps it's door open except for
Painter.
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Howdy.
>
> I've just hear a tale that OWC, the Other World Computing online sales
> company, has been sold to Corel.
>
> I can't find any references to this online.
>
> Is it fact or fiction? Any thoughts?
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. If this were true, I'd be concerned because Corel has a rather bad
> reputation for dealing with Macintosh products and software.
>
Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Yeah, I was a little confused as to why Corel a software developer would want to by a retailer/ hardware manufacturer.
But then stranger things have happened, and Dan did say he heard it as a tale. I read that as rumor.
Brent
On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:55 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
Queried their online customer support just now, they say still owned privately
by founder.
Whew, close one. Not sure how Corel keeps it's door open except for
Painter.
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> I've just hear a tale that OWC, the Other World Computing online sales
> company, has been sold to Corel.
>
> I can't find any references to this online.
>
> Is it fact or fiction? Any thoughts?
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. If this were true, I'd be concerned because Corel has a rather bad
> reputation for dealing with Macintosh products and software.
>
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But then stranger things have happened, and Dan did say he heard it as a tale. I read that as rumor.
Brent
On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:55 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
Queried their online customer support just now, they say still owned privately
by founder.
Whew, close one. Not sure how Corel keeps it's door open except for
Painter.
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Howdy.
>
> I've just hear a tale that OWC, the Other World Computing online sales
> company, has been sold to Corel.
>
> I can't find any references to this online.
>
> Is it fact or fiction? Any thoughts?
>
> Denver Dan
>
> p.s. If this were true, I'd be concerned because Corel has a rather bad
> reputation for dealing with Macintosh products and software.
>
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:59 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Wasn't it Sony that first used FW under a proprietary name.
Then Apple started using FW, and the PCs drug their heals about adopting it for anything other that camera downloads.
TB is new in my limited exposure to it. Where has it been used in the last 2 years?
Brent
On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
Yes, but TB has been around for 2 years now and still shows no sign of
becoming mainstream. External drives with FireWire + USB 2 quickly became
common, but where are the TB + USB 3 drives? Perhaps FW being adopted for
DV camcorders gave it presence outside the Mac community but there's no
equivalent for TB?
Otto
On 13 June 2013 21:45, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> High prices at first is a given for any newly adopted technology.
>
> As long as they don't orphan it, you will be fine. I bought an Apple
> display with only a ADC connector. There are only about a half dozen G4
> Macs that can use it, and one being the Cube. I only paid $999.00 for it.
>
> And I thought for consumer grade cameras that CompactFlash was going to be
> the thing, not SD. I did pick VHS over Beta, while that was the options.
> But failed by picking Iomega Zip discs, the worst thing to keep your stuff
> on.
>
> Feel better?
>
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Then Apple started using FW, and the PCs drug their heals about adopting it for anything other that camera downloads.
TB is new in my limited exposure to it. Where has it been used in the last 2 years?
Brent
On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
Yes, but TB has been around for 2 years now and still shows no sign of
becoming mainstream. External drives with FireWire + USB 2 quickly became
common, but where are the TB + USB 3 drives? Perhaps FW being adopted for
DV camcorders gave it presence outside the Mac community but there's no
equivalent for TB?
Otto
On 13 June 2013 21:45, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> High prices at first is a given for any newly adopted technology.
>
> As long as they don't orphan it, you will be fine. I bought an Apple
> display with only a ADC connector. There are only about a half dozen G4
> Macs that can use it, and one being the Cube. I only paid $999.00 for it.
>
> And I thought for consumer grade cameras that CompactFlash was going to be
> the thing, not SD. I did pick VHS over Beta, while that was the options.
> But failed by picking Iomega Zip discs, the worst thing to keep your stuff
> on.
>
> Feel better?
>
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:16 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"TimeFramePhoto"
In my experience, it hasn't, which is sort of my complaint. I've had TB on the last 2-3 Macs I've purchased but have never been able to justify the expense of trying to buy stuff that plugs into them!
Dane
On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:59 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Wasn't it Sony that first used FW under a proprietary name.
>
> Then Apple started using FW, and the PCs drug their heals about adopting it for anything other that camera downloads.
>
> TB is new in my limited exposure to it. Where has it been used in the last 2 years?
>
> Brent
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>
> Yes, but TB has been around for 2 years now and still shows no sign of
> becoming mainstream. External drives with FireWire + USB 2 quickly became
> common, but where are the TB + USB 3 drives? Perhaps FW being adopted for
> DV camcorders gave it presence outside the Mac community but there's no
> equivalent for TB?
>
> Otto
>
> On 13 June 2013 21:45, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
>
>> High prices at first is a given for any newly adopted technology.
>>
>> As long as they don't orphan it, you will be fine. I bought an Apple
>> display with only a ADC connector. There are only about a half dozen G4
>> Macs that can use it, and one being the Cube. I only paid $999.00 for it.
>>
>> And I thought for consumer grade cameras that CompactFlash was going to be
>> the thing, not SD. I did pick VHS over Beta, while that was the options.
>> But failed by picking Iomega Zip discs, the worst thing to keep your stuff
>> on.
>>
>> Feel better?
Dane
On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:59 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Wasn't it Sony that first used FW under a proprietary name.
>
> Then Apple started using FW, and the PCs drug their heals about adopting it for anything other that camera downloads.
>
> TB is new in my limited exposure to it. Where has it been used in the last 2 years?
>
> Brent
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>
> Yes, but TB has been around for 2 years now and still shows no sign of
> becoming mainstream. External drives with FireWire + USB 2 quickly became
> common, but where are the TB + USB 3 drives? Perhaps FW being adopted for
> DV camcorders gave it presence outside the Mac community but there's no
> equivalent for TB?
>
> Otto
>
> On 13 June 2013 21:45, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
>
>> High prices at first is a given for any newly adopted technology.
>>
>> As long as they don't orphan it, you will be fine. I bought an Apple
>> display with only a ADC connector. There are only about a half dozen G4
>> Macs that can use it, and one being the Cube. I only paid $999.00 for it.
>>
>> And I thought for consumer grade cameras that CompactFlash was going to be
>> the thing, not SD. I did pick VHS over Beta, while that was the options.
>> But failed by picking Iomega Zip discs, the worst thing to keep your stuff
>> on.
>>
>> Feel better?
Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Same here. The only use I've found for TB on my MBP is to use it for HDMI
with an adaptor. Of course, there should be an HDMI port anyway, but you
only get that on the Retina and the Retina lacks other useful stuff like an
optical drive.
I didn't mind paying a few £ extra for an external drive that had FW as
well as USB 2, but I'm not aware of anything at sensible prices that has
TB, so the future looks like USB 3.
Otto
On 14 June 2013 00:16, TimeFramePhoto <macdane@mac.com > wrote:
> In my experience, it hasn't, which is sort of my complaint. I've had TB on
> the last 2-3 Macs I've purchased but have never been able to justify the
> expense of trying to buy stuff that plugs into them!
>
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with an adaptor. Of course, there should be an HDMI port anyway, but you
only get that on the Retina and the Retina lacks other useful stuff like an
optical drive.
I didn't mind paying a few £ extra for an external drive that had FW as
well as USB 2, but I'm not aware of anything at sensible prices that has
TB, so the future looks like USB 3.
Otto
On 14 June 2013 00:16, TimeFramePhoto <macdane@mac.
> In my experience, it hasn't, which is sort of my complaint. I've had TB on
> the last 2-3 Macs I've purchased but have never been able to justify the
> expense of trying to buy stuff that plugs into them!
>
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Sony called it i.Link but I don't know if this came before Apple's first
use in 1999. i.Link also had a smaller plug with 4 connectors instead of 6,
missing out the power connectors.
Apple actually started designing FireWire in 1986. Makes you think, don't
it? USB development only started in 1994. 400 Mbps vs 12!
Otto
On 13 June 2013 23:59, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> Wasn't it Sony that first used FW under a proprietary name.
>
> Then Apple started using FW, and the PCs drug their heals about adopting
> it for anything other that camera downloads.
>
> TB is new in my limited exposure to it. Where has it been used in the last
> 2 years?
>
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use in 1999. i.Link also had a smaller plug with 4 connectors instead of 6,
missing out the power connectors.
Apple actually started designing FireWire in 1986. Makes you think, don't
it? USB development only started in 1994. 400 Mbps vs 12!
Otto
On 13 June 2013 23:59, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> Wasn't it Sony that first used FW under a proprietary name.
>
> Then Apple started using FW, and the PCs drug their heals about adopting
> it for anything other that camera downloads.
>
> TB is new in my limited exposure to it. Where has it been used in the last
> 2 years?
>
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"David Brostoff" dcbrostoff
On Jun 13, 2013, at 16:16 , TimeFramePhoto <macdane@mac.com > wrote:
> In my experience, it hasn't, which is sort of my complaint. I've had TB on the last 2-3 Macs I've purchased but have never been able to justify the expense of trying to buy stuff that plugs into them!
Also, I keep reading that few external hard drives can saturate FireWire 800, let alone Thunderbolt. So what kind of applications can take advantage of it?
David
> In my experience, it hasn't, which is sort of my complaint. I've had TB on the last 2-3 Macs I've purchased but have never been able to justify the expense of trying to buy stuff that plugs into them!
Also, I keep reading that few external hard drives can saturate FireWire 800, let alone Thunderbolt. So what kind of applications can take advantage of it?
David
Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:24 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Charles Carroll" charlesmarkcarroll
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/04/10/thunderbolt-still-broken-but-new-parts-talked-up/
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7117
On Jun 13, 2013 10:49 AM, "TimeFramePhoto" <macdane@mac.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> While it's great to see new Thunderbolt products trickling into the
> marketplace, I remain concerned at their continued high prices and relative
> scarcity. I have to think of Thunderbolt 1 as a very promising experiment
> that largely failed, and we may be hoping against hope that the Thunderbolt
> 2 landscape will develop any more quickly or affordably. Of course, SOMEONE
> needs to push in these new directions, and Apple should be applauded for at
> least trying...but there's also something to be said for knowing when to
> fold.
>
> On a related note, XQD memory cards for cameras started coming out around
> the same time as Thunderbolt. Now, about 18 months later, my Nikon D4
> remains the only camera to use them. They're better than the alternatives
> in almost every way, but the only card reader for them is USB3, which I
> don't have. So I'm stuck just using the CompactFlash slot in my camera
> because I still have a couple of "old fashioned" FireWire 800 card readers.
> A Thunderbolt card reader for XQD cards would seem like a no-brainer, but
> would probably cost more than any of us could imagine.
>
> Sorry, feeling grumpy today.
>
> Dane
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
> > Howdy.
> >
> > I've been mentioning new Thunderbolt products from time-to-time the
> > past couple of years.
> >
> > With the new MacPro cylinder announced and with 6 Thunderbolt Two ports
> > Thunderbolt devices should proliferate at a greater speed and will be
> > more important for peripheral connections.
> >
> > With that in mind, here's a new announced product from Sonnet.
> >
> > Echo 15 Thunderbolt Dock.
> >
> > <http://www.sonnettech.com/product/echo15thunderboltdock.html >
> >
> > 15 ports and a bay/tray/slot for either a hard drive or optical drive
> > like a BD burner.
> >
> > Ports include:
> >
> > - Two 3 Gb/s eSATA
> > - One FireWire 800
> > - One RJ-45 (Gigabit Ethernet)
> > - Two Thunderbolt
> > - Four USB 3.0
> > - Two audio input
> > - Two audio output
> > - microphone jacks: 1 in front and 1 in rear
> > - headphone jack
> > - stereo speaker jack
> > - Power plug socket
> >
> > Sonnet says availability will be summer 2013.
> >
> > A device like this could preclude the necessity of something like a
> > card expansion chassis for eSATA PCIe cards (card cage), a USB 3 hub, a
> > FireWire adapter, for users like me.
> >
> > Still to be determined with this gadget is whether the eSATA ports
> > support port multiplayer or not.
> >
> > Price could be about $400 USD.
> >
> > Denver Dan
>
>
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http://semiaccurate
On Jun 13, 2013 10:49 AM, "TimeFramePhot
> **
>
>
> While it's great to see new Thunderbolt products trickling into the
> marketplace, I remain concerned at their continued high prices and relative
> scarcity. I have to think of Thunderbolt 1 as a very promising experiment
> that largely failed, and we may be hoping against hope that the Thunderbolt
> 2 landscape will develop any more quickly or affordably. Of course, SOMEONE
> needs to push in these new directions, and Apple should be applauded for at
> least trying...but there's also something to be said for knowing when to
> fold.
>
> On a related note, XQD memory cards for cameras started coming out around
> the same time as Thunderbolt. Now, about 18 months later, my Nikon D4
> remains the only camera to use them. They're better than the alternatives
> in almost every way, but the only card reader for them is USB3, which I
> don't have. So I'm stuck just using the CompactFlash slot in my camera
> because I still have a couple of "old fashioned" FireWire 800 card readers.
> A Thunderbolt card reader for XQD cards would seem like a no-brainer, but
> would probably cost more than any of us could imagine.
>
> Sorry, feeling grumpy today.
>
> Dane
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
> > Howdy.
> >
> > I've been mentioning new Thunderbolt products from time-to-time the
> > past couple of years.
> >
> > With the new MacPro cylinder announced and with 6 Thunderbolt Two ports
> > Thunderbolt devices should proliferate at a greater speed and will be
> > more important for peripheral connections.
> >
> > With that in mind, here's a new announced product from Sonnet.
> >
> > Echo 15 Thunderbolt Dock.
> >
> > <http://www.sonnette
> >
> > 15 ports and a bay/tray/slot for either a hard drive or optical drive
> > like a BD burner.
> >
> > Ports include:
> >
> > - Two 3 Gb/s eSATA
> > - One FireWire 800
> > - One RJ-45 (Gigabit Ethernet)
> > - Two Thunderbolt
> > - Four USB 3.0
> > - Two audio input
> > - Two audio output
> > - microphone jacks: 1 in front and 1 in rear
> > - headphone jack
> > - stereo speaker jack
> > - Power plug socket
> >
> > Sonnet says availability will be summer 2013.
> >
> > A device like this could preclude the necessity of something like a
> > card expansion chassis for eSATA PCIe cards (card cage), a USB 3 hub, a
> > FireWire adapter, for users like me.
> >
> > Still to be determined with this gadget is whether the eSATA ports
> > support port multiplayer or not.
> >
> > Price could be about $400 USD.
> >
> > Denver Dan
>
>
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:25 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
I'm seeing more and more Thunderbolt drives and drive cases and even
speciality drives like RAID boxes now available.
Even seeing some FireWire on Windows computers including the next door
neighbor's son who builds DOS box/Windows "gaming" computers as a
hobby.
It is also possible that one thing holding back non adapter Thunderbolt
devices like drives is the flexibility of Thunderbolt adapters and
docks to leverage existing port technology without needing to buy a new
drive.
Inertia.
Denver Dan
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:34:42 +0100, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Yes, but TB has been around for 2 years now and still shows no sign of
> becoming mainstream. External drives with FireWire + USB 2 quickly became
> common, but where are the TB + USB 3 drives? Perhaps FW being adopted for
> DV camcorders gave it presence outside the Mac community but there's no
> equivalent for TB?
>
> Otto
I'm seeing more and more Thunderbolt drives and drive cases and even
speciality drives like RAID boxes now available.
Even seeing some FireWire on Windows computers including the next door
neighbor'
hobby.
It is also possible that one thing holding back non adapter Thunderbolt
devices like drives is the flexibility of Thunderbolt adapters and
docks to leverage existing port technology without needing to buy a new
drive.
Inertia.
Denver Dan
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:34:42 +0100, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Yes, but TB has been around for 2 years now and still shows no sign of
> becoming mainstream. External drives with FireWire + USB 2 quickly became
> common, but where are the TB + USB 3 drives? Perhaps FW being adopted for
> DV camcorders gave it presence outside the Mac community but there's no
> equivalent for TB?
>
> Otto
Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
I think FireWire was originally developed jointly by Apple and Texas
Instruments. FireWire is a control technology used in either or both
the F-22 stealth fighter and or the F-35 Super Cruise Joint Strike
Force fighter.
<http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/technology/14323-new-f-35-fighter-jet-will-fly-by-firewire >
<http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-JSF-Analysis.html >
Denver Dan
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:59:29 -0700, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Wasn't it Sony that first used FW under a proprietary name.
>
> Then Apple started using FW, and the PCs drug their heals about
> adopting it for anything other that camera downloads.
>
> TB is new in my limited exposure to it. Where has it been used in the
> last 2 years?
>
> Brent
I think FireWire was originally developed jointly by Apple and Texas
Instruments. FireWire is a control technology used in either or both
the F-22 stealth fighter and or the F-35 Super Cruise Joint Strike
Force fighter.
<http://www.itwire.
<http://www.ausairpo
Denver Dan
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:59:29 -0700, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Wasn't it Sony that first used FW under a proprietary name.
>
> Then Apple started using FW, and the PCs drug their heals about
> adopting it for anything other that camera downloads.
>
> TB is new in my limited exposure to it. Where has it been used in the
> last 2 years?
>
> Brent
Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"bob morin" rbmorin2002
On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Otto Nikolaus <otto.nikolaus@
> On 13 June 2013 20:59, bob morin <rbmorin11@gmail.
>
> >
> > With my OS of 10.8.4 in the networks setting for IPv6 off is not an
> > option. It was in earlier OS systems.
> >
>
> Are you sure? It's there in mine in Ethernet > Advanced > TCP/IP and Wi-Fi
> > Advanced > TCP/IP.
>
Not in mine. default is automatic.
bob
bob morin
rbmorin11@gmail.
Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:13 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> If the discussion group over at Apple is correct, the functionality of the
> Airport Utility was changed in version 6.3. It now seems to require IPv6.
> If a Mac has IPv6 turned off, then Airport Utility v6.3 cannot connect to
> an AirPort base station.
> The affected IPv6 setting is located in the Network preference pane. In
> Advanced Settings, TCP/IP tab. The label is: "Configure IPv6". If it is set
> to off, change it to something else, "Link-Local only" is recommended, if
> it was set to "Off".
> This worked for me, so I am thinking the discussion group may be on to
> something.
> If anyone is interested in reading the discussion on the problem, here is a
> link:
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5096790?start=0&tstart=0
Well, having upgraded to 6.3, I have apparently also done something that seems to have bricked my Airport Extreme Base Station.
Airport Utility on my MBPro simply no longer can find it.
> Airport Utility was changed in version 6.3. It now seems to require IPv6.
> If a Mac has IPv6 turned off, then Airport Utility v6.3 cannot connect to
> an AirPort base station.
> The affected IPv6 setting is located in the Network preference pane. In
> Advanced Settings, TCP/IP tab. The label is: "Configure IPv6". If it is set
> to off, change it to something else, "Link-Local only" is recommended, if
> it was set to "Off"
> This worked for me, so I am thinking the discussion group may be on to
> something.
> If anyone is interested in reading the discussion on the problem, here is a
> link:
>
> https://discussions
Well, having upgraded to 6.3, I have apparently also done something that seems to have bricked my Airport Extreme Base Station.
Airport Utility on my MBPro simply no longer can find it.
Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"John Richardson"
Hello,
How are the Mac CUDA drivers for NVIDIA's workstation class Quadro cards?
AutoCAD drivers for Quadro on Mac? Just curious.
No FERMI and TESLA and Kepler drivers [technically - but clever
computational scientists will get GPGPU's working and these cards have no
video output]
John F. Richardson
-----Original Message-----
From: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Imran Khan
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:26 AM
To: macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [macsupport] New MacPro Announced
Dear Denver,
I agree with you and i was suggesting the same to my friends.
But to upgrade the default hard drive currently was cheaper , with flash it
will be expensive.
As for the AMD card again agree with you but people depending on nvidia's
mercury engine and cuda calculation will have trouble.
by RAID i meant RAID 5 in current MacPro.
Anyways certain things have to be given up to keep up with technology.
Regards
Imran
On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Imran, with respect, no no no no and no.
>
> I think that perhaps you have missed the point of the speed of
> Thunderbolt 2 technology and the speed increases of what's inside this
> new tower.
>
> 1. You will be able to buy dozens of cheap external hard drives and
> connect them. I already do this via eSATA PCIe cards on my old MacPro.
>
> 2. Video / Audio editor will get a card cage. This is also called a
> PCIe Card Expansion Chassis. These have existed for years but a new
> one would be via Thunderbolt 2. It's an external box, connected via
> Thunderbolt 2 cable, with slots for PCIe capture cards and other PCIe
> cards like my eSATA cards.
>
> 3. Fiber storage? Don't know but there may be a Thunderbolt 2 adapter
> available??
>
> 4. Thunderbolt 2 for RAID should be very easy and very fast. I already
> do Mirrored RAID via Ethernet on my old MacPro.
>
> Six Thunderbolt 2 ports on three busses. Apple says this allows for
> connection of up to 36 very fast peripherals with each port support up
> to 6 devices. At 20 gbps this is faster than the current internal PCIe
> card slots/cards and according to a review up to 25 times faster than
> FireWire 800.
>
> Sonnet already sells Thunderbolt expansion chassis boxes.
>
> <http://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/ >
>
> 5. AMD card? I quote from yesterday's MacWorld review of this new
> MacPro:
>
> "AMD FirePro workstation GPU with up to 6GB of dedicated VRAM. Apple
> says those two GPUs offer up to 7 teraflops of performance-compared to
> 2.7 teraflops for the current Mac Pro-and can drive not one, not two,
> but three 4K-resolution (3840- by 2160-pixel) displays."
>
> Plus plug in a display to an external graphics card in a card cage.
>
> I think there are several MAJOR speed increases that are being missed
> by some folks.
>
> A. PCI Express Flash storage. Greatly faster than current SATA flash
> SSDs.
>
> B. RAM upgraded to 4 channel DDR# at 1866 MHz and 60 GB per second
> memory band which is twice the current MacPro.
>
> C. New Intel Xeon E5 processors that Apple claims are up to twice as
> fast as current MacPro Xeon processors.
>
> D. Flash Storage card is customer removable and upgradable according
> to MacWorld review.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:34:33 +0400, Imran Khan wrote:
> > My thoughts is:
> >
> > 1.we can no longer buy cheaper hard drive from market and upgrade
> >
> > 2.Video / Audio editors who invested on PCI based capture cards are
> > in big trouble
> >
> > 3. People connecting to fiber storage will be in trouble
> >
> > 4. From the picture it seems only one hard drive can be installed so
> > no more RAID
> >
> > 5. If only AMD card is the only video compatible then no more
> > mercury engine (in long run it will change but people will curse)
> >
> > I spoke to friend in TV station and almost all of them mentioned the
> > same i have mentioned above.
> >
> > Regards
> > Imran
> > Dubai
>
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AutoCAD drivers for Quadro on Mac? Just curious.
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Subject: Re: [macsupport] New MacPro Announced
Dear Denver,
I agree with you and i was suggesting the same to my friends.
But to upgrade the default hard drive currently was cheaper , with flash it
will be expensive.
As for the AMD card again agree with you but people depending on nvidia's
mercury engine and cuda calculation will have trouble.
by RAID i meant RAID 5 in current MacPro.
Anyways certain things have to be given up to keep up with technology.
Regards
Imran
On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> Imran, with respect, no no no no and no.
>
> I think that perhaps you have missed the point of the speed of
> Thunderbolt 2 technology and the speed increases of what's inside this
> new tower.
>
> 1. You will be able to buy dozens of cheap external hard drives and
> connect them. I already do this via eSATA PCIe cards on my old MacPro.
>
> 2. Video / Audio editor will get a card cage. This is also called a
> PCIe Card Expansion Chassis. These have existed for years but a new
> one would be via Thunderbolt 2. It's an external box, connected via
> Thunderbolt 2 cable, with slots for PCIe capture cards and other PCIe
> cards like my eSATA cards.
>
> 3. Fiber storage? Don't know but there may be a Thunderbolt 2 adapter
> available??
>
> 4. Thunderbolt 2 for RAID should be very easy and very fast. I already
> do Mirrored RAID via Ethernet on my old MacPro.
>
> Six Thunderbolt 2 ports on three busses. Apple says this allows for
> connection of up to 36 very fast peripherals with each port support up
> to 6 devices. At 20 gbps this is faster than the current internal PCIe
> card slots/cards and according to a review up to 25 times faster than
> FireWire 800.
>
> Sonnet already sells Thunderbolt expansion chassis boxes.
>
> <http://www.sonnette
>
> 5. AMD card? I quote from yesterday'
> MacPro:
>
> "AMD FirePro workstation GPU with up to 6GB of dedicated VRAM. Apple
> says those two GPUs offer up to 7 teraflops of performance-
> 2.7 teraflops for the current Mac Pro-and can drive not one, not two,
> but three 4K-resolution (3840- by 2160-pixel) displays."
>
> Plus plug in a display to an external graphics card in a card cage.
>
> I think there are several MAJOR speed increases that are being missed
> by some folks.
>
> A. PCI Express Flash storage. Greatly faster than current SATA flash
> SSDs.
>
> B. RAM upgraded to 4 channel DDR# at 1866 MHz and 60 GB per second
> memory band which is twice the current MacPro.
>
> C. New Intel Xeon E5 processors that Apple claims are up to twice as
> fast as current MacPro Xeon processors.
>
> D. Flash Storage card is customer removable and upgradable according
> to MacWorld review.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:34:33 +0400, Imran Khan wrote:
> > My thoughts is:
> >
> > 1.we can no longer buy cheaper hard drive from market and upgrade
> >
> > 2.Video / Audio editors who invested on PCI based capture cards are
> > in big trouble
> >
> > 3. People connecting to fiber storage will be in trouble
> >
> > 4. From the picture it seems only one hard drive can be installed so
> > no more RAID
> >
> > 5. If only AMD card is the only video compatible then no more
> > mercury engine (in long run it will change but people will curse)
> >
> > I spoke to friend in TV station and almost all of them mentioned the
> > same i have mentioned above.
> >
> > Regards
> > Imran
> > Dubai
>
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
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