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Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
So, this will be a host standard (computer mfgr must incorporate it into the design)?
I'll wait for the TB-to-DOCKPORT adapter.
(c; <----- note!
Dave
On 14 Jun 2013, at 12:04 PM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com > wrote:
AMD apparently just engineered a DOCK PORT delivering a lot more than Thunderbolt promises and has proven it with accessories and cables. With $2 parts...
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I'll wait for the TB-to-DOCKPORT adapter.
(c; <----- note!
Dave
On 14 Jun 2013, at 12:04 PM, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.
AMD apparently just engineered a DOCK PORT delivering a lot more than Thunderbolt promises and has proven it with accessories and cables. With $2 parts...
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"David Brostoff" dcbrostoff
On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:43 , Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Thunderbolt Two should be able to move a big movie file from one drive
> to another in maybe 15 seconds. I'm doing an educated guess on that
> time since there are other variables involved.
What type of drive is fast enough to accept that much data that fast?
David
> Thunderbolt Two should be able to move a big movie file from one drive
> to another in maybe 15 seconds. I'm doing an educated guess on that
> time since there are other variables involved.
What type of drive is fast enough to accept that much data that fast?
David
Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"TimeFramePhoto"
On Jun 14, 2013, at 2:58 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
> Dane,
>
> I take it you are getting your photography work done currently without TB. So you really not in a spot, you could continue on, as you are now.
>
> Nothing is forcing you to move to TB, but the conditions to make that move are unsatisfactory to you. In other words, you consider the prices too high.
Correct. This is in no way impacting my work right now. Should my FW card reader happen to croak, I'd then face a choice of whether to upgrade to a computer that has USB3 or to buy adapters and so forth to cobble together a TB-based solution to getting images from camera to computer. It's a no-brainer that I'd do one of the two since I can't afford to slow my photo pipeline down to USB2 speeds, but either choice is ridiculously costly for something as mundane as a card reader. That's not Apple's fault, just a reality of being caught between options.
> As an example, when ever moving to a new Mac or OS, I make a spreadsheet. I list the items or features in the first column, pros in the second column, cons in the next, check off for resolved cons, and notes in the next.
Sure, I think a lot of us do this, or at least something similar.
> I include an item about can I justify the price, and I will accept an answer of no, but I want it and I have the cash to get it. It sounds like you have this item listed in the con or no column.
Well, sort of. TB wasn't an option when I bought my last few laptops, it was just included. The notion of placing TB stuff in the con or "no" column has been after the fact, whenever I've considered trying to actually *use* that port for anything other than plugging an HDMI adapter into it.
> I also include an item for future. Meaning how long do I expect this to be viable into the future, or if it may be abandoned or orphaned shortly. For me, I have been burned a couple of times by technology being orphaned, so I am usually hesitant to try the first of any new model. With you calling it TB1, it sounds like you are recognizing that this is a bleeding edge technology, at least subconsciously. [snip]
I don't see it as bleeding edge technology, not after a couple of years on the market in this day and age. It was, rather, a way of clearly distinguishing it from the TB2 that was just announced on the new Mac Pros.
Dane
> Dane,
>
> I take it you are getting your photography work done currently without TB. So you really not in a spot, you could continue on, as you are now.
>
> Nothing is forcing you to move to TB, but the conditions to make that move are unsatisfactory to you. In other words, you consider the prices too high.
Correct. This is in no way impacting my work right now. Should my FW card reader happen to croak, I'd then face a choice of whether to upgrade to a computer that has USB3 or to buy adapters and so forth to cobble together a TB-based solution to getting images from camera to computer. It's a no-brainer that I'd do one of the two since I can't afford to slow my photo pipeline down to USB2 speeds, but either choice is ridiculously costly for something as mundane as a card reader. That's not Apple's fault, just a reality of being caught between options.
> As an example, when ever moving to a new Mac or OS, I make a spreadsheet. I list the items or features in the first column, pros in the second column, cons in the next, check off for resolved cons, and notes in the next.
Sure, I think a lot of us do this, or at least something similar.
> I include an item about can I justify the price, and I will accept an answer of no, but I want it and I have the cash to get it. It sounds like you have this item listed in the con or no column.
Well, sort of. TB wasn't an option when I bought my last few laptops, it was just included. The notion of placing TB stuff in the con or "no" column has been after the fact, whenever I've considered trying to actually *use* that port for anything other than plugging an HDMI adapter into it.
> I also include an item for future. Meaning how long do I expect this to be viable into the future, or if it may be abandoned or orphaned shortly. For me, I have been burned a couple of times by technology being orphaned, so I am usually hesitant to try the first of any new model. With you calling it TB1, it sounds like you are recognizing that this is a bleeding edge technology, at least subconsciously. [snip]
I don't see it as bleeding edge technology, not after a couple of years on the market in this day and age. It was, rather, a way of clearly distinguishing it from the TB2 that was just announced on the new Mac Pros.
Dane
Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:02 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"TimeFramePhoto"
On Jun 14, 2013, at 3:52 PM, David Brostoff wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:43 , Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
>
>> Thunderbolt Two should be able to move a big movie file from one drive
>> to another in maybe 15 seconds. I'm doing an educated guess on that
>> time since there are other variables involved.
>
> What type of drive is fast enough to accept that much data that fast?
None that I know of, right now. Looked at from the other direction, though, there are some mighty fast SSD RAID arrays that could benefit from a fast pipeline, and TB is capable of handling more than just "one disk to one other disk" data transfers. The real question remains, I think, whether it will ever get off the ground in a way that TB1 hasn't.
Dane
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:43 , Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
>
>> Thunderbolt Two should be able to move a big movie file from one drive
>> to another in maybe 15 seconds. I'm doing an educated guess on that
>> time since there are other variables involved.
>
> What type of drive is fast enough to accept that much data that fast?
None that I know of, right now. Looked at from the other direction, though, there are some mighty fast SSD RAID arrays that could benefit from a fast pipeline, and TB is capable of handling more than just "one disk to one other disk" data transfers. The real question remains, I think, whether it will ever get off the ground in a way that TB1 hasn't.
Dane
Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:04 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
How about a flash drive
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On Jun 14, 2013, at 3:52 PM, David Brostoff <davbro@earthlink.net > wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:43 , Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
>
>> Thunderbolt Two should be able to move a big movie file from one drive
>> to another in maybe 15 seconds. I'm doing an educated guess on that
>> time since there are other variables involved.
>
> What type of drive is fast enough to accept that much data that fast?
>
> David
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On Jun 14, 2013, at 3:52 PM, David Brostoff <davbro@earthlink.
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:43 , Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
>
>> Thunderbolt Two should be able to move a big movie file from one drive
>> to another in maybe 15 seconds. I'm doing an educated guess on that
>> time since there are other variables involved.
>
> What type of drive is fast enough to accept that much data that fast?
>
> David
Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
It is good you are following technology changes and looking forward on job critical items. If you have a hardware failure, you at least have been researching its replacement.
TB may not be knife edge, bleeding edge, and I may be behind as a consumer, but it is not that prevalent on consumer goods.
Brent
On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:58 PM, TimeFramePhoto wrote:
I don't see it as bleeding edge technology, not after a couple of years on the market in this day and age. It was, rather, a way of clearly distinguishing it from the TB2 that was just announced on the new Mac Pros.
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TB may not be knife edge, bleeding edge, and I may be behind as a consumer, but it is not that prevalent on consumer goods.
Brent
On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:58 PM, TimeFramePhoto wrote:
I don't see it as bleeding edge technology, not after a couple of years on the market in this day and age. It was, rather, a way of clearly distinguishing it from the TB2 that was just announced on the new Mac Pros.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:07 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 14 June 2013 14:23, TimeFramePhoto <macdane@mac.com > wrote:
>
> Sure it is, but I'm stuck in a spot where I don't have USB3 on any of my
> Macs. I recognize that that's *my* problem, but then I'm looking at this
> from my perspective.
>
The point is that USB 3 has become the de facto standard, with (even) Apple
adopting it last year. Your next computer will have USB 3, and it is
backwards compatible with USB 2. The market for TB card-readers is so small
that the cost would be very high. Would that be a good investment even if
it were available?
Otto
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>
> Sure it is, but I'm stuck in a spot where I don't have USB3 on any of my
> Macs. I recognize that that's *my* problem, but then I'm looking at this
> from my perspective.
>
The point is that USB 3 has become the de facto standard, with (even) Apple
adopting it last year. Your next computer will have USB 3, and it is
backwards compatible with USB 2. The market for TB card-readers is so small
that the cost would be very high. Would that be a good investment even if
it were available?
Otto
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:56 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> Thunderbolt Two should be able to move a big movie file from one drive to another in maybe 15 seconds. I'm doing an educated guess on that time since there are other variables involved.
>
> What type of drive is fast enough to accept that much data that fast?
> David
*Good* SSD's.
A 2 GB movie file moved in 15 seconds would be about 133 MB per second.
OWC has been selling SSD's for months now that are capable of sustained reads and writes of 500 MB/s (slightly more, actually).
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> What type of drive is fast enough to accept that much data that fast?
> David
*Good* SSD's.
A 2 GB movie file moved in 15 seconds would be about 133 MB per second.
OWC has been selling SSD's for months now that are capable of sustained reads and writes of 500 MB/s (slightly more, actually).
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> The point is that USB 3 has become the de facto standard, with (even) Apple
> adopting it last year.
*A* standard.
By no means *the* standard.
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> adopting it last year.
*A* standard.
By no means *the* standard.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"David Brostoff" dcbrostoff
On Jun 14, 2013, at 15:56 , Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com > wrote:
>>> Thunderbolt Two should be able to move a big movie file from one drive to another in maybe 15 seconds. I'm doing an educated guess on that time since there are other variables involved.
>>
>> What type of drive is fast enough to accept that much data that fast?
>> David
>
> *Good* SSD's.
>
> A 2 GB movie file moved in 15 seconds would be about 133 MB per second.
>
> OWC has been selling SSD's for months now that are capable of sustained reads and writes of 500 MB/s (slightly more, actually).
To achieve those speeds, wouldn't you need an SSD on both ends? Otherwise, if the data is coming from, say, a 2.5-in 7200 RPM internal drive, doesn't that create a bottleneck?
David
>>> Thunderbolt Two should be able to move a big movie file from one drive to another in maybe 15 seconds. I'm doing an educated guess on that time since there are other variables involved.
>>
>> What type of drive is fast enough to accept that much data that fast?
>> David
>
> *Good* SSD's.
>
> A 2 GB movie file moved in 15 seconds would be about 133 MB per second.
>
> OWC has been selling SSD's for months now that are capable of sustained reads and writes of 500 MB/s (slightly more, actually).
To achieve those speeds, wouldn't you need an SSD on both ends? Otherwise, if the data is coming from, say, a 2.5-in 7200 RPM internal drive, doesn't that create a bottleneck?
David
Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:56 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
I am sure that there are more charts. Try rephrasing the question when _you_ do the web search. For example, use keyboard short cuts at http://www.apple.com/support/ and see what you get.
Any list will always get the basics repeated, as long as there are new members. And if there are no members, it stagnates and dies. I am just trying to teach you how to do your own research for the basics.
It gets real difficult to resolve questions when they are second hand. It might be easier if you suggest that he join and read the list for a bit, and then ask his own questions.
That said, it is nice that his mother-in-law is looking out for him. Tell him that the hardest part of switching is the change in the vocabulary, because using Help is easy enough. That is how I learned to use Windows when work required it of me.
Brent
On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
Thanks, but I had thought that there was a chart listing the two. I had a vague memory that a member had placed it in the files on our group site, but didn't see it there. I found one chart on he Apple support site, but it seemed a little confusing for a new user.
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On Jun 14, 2013, at 1:07 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> A web search for "apple vs windows keyboard layout" will give you a result of
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5636
>
> Is that what you are looking for?
>
> Brent
>
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Pat Taylor wrote:
>
> Can anyone point me to the chart available to help a new Mac user learn the different keys versus the Windows system he has been using?
>
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Any list will always get the basics repeated, as long as there are new members. And if there are no members, it stagnates and dies. I am just trying to teach you how to do your own research for the basics.
It gets real difficult to resolve questions when they are second hand. It might be easier if you suggest that he join and read the list for a bit, and then ask his own questions.
That said, it is nice that his mother-in-law is looking out for him. Tell him that the hardest part of switching is the change in the vocabulary, because using Help is easy enough. That is how I learned to use Windows when work required it of me.
Brent
On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Pat Taylor wrote:
Thanks, but I had thought that there was a chart listing the two. I had a vague memory that a member had placed it in the files on our group site, but didn't see it there. I found one chart on he Apple support site, but it seemed a little confusing for a new user.
Sent from my iPad...
On Jun 14, 2013, at 1:07 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.
> A web search for "apple vs windows keyboard layout" will give you a result of
>
> http://support.
>
> Is that what you are looking for?
>
> Brent
>
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Pat Taylor wrote:
>
> Can anyone point me to the chart available to help a new Mac user learn the different keys versus the Windows system he has been using?
>
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dave C" davec2468
I need to zip a couple of files (less than 5 MB total) for a friend who's using Windows.
I tried DropStuff 11.0 I had laying around but when my friend opens the zip the files are all 1K or such and have no content.
Does anyone have a recommendation for a free (preferred) utility to zip files?
Thanks,
Dave
OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
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I tried DropStuff 11.0 I had laying around but when my friend opens the zip the files are all 1K or such and have no content.
Does anyone have a recommendation for a free (preferred) utility to zip files?
Thanks,
Dave
OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"1belami" bombino21217
Right click and archive
On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I need to zip a couple of files (less than 5 MB total) for a friend who's using Windows.
>
> I tried DropStuff 11.0 I had laying around but when my friend opens the zip the files are all 1K or such and have no content.
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a free (preferred) utility to zip files?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.
> I need to zip a couple of files (less than 5 MB total) for a friend who's using Windows.
>
> I tried DropStuff 11.0 I had laying around but when my friend opens the zip the files are all 1K or such and have no content.
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a free (preferred) utility to zip files?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
>
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
If you don't right click, then Control + Click and select Compress.
I don't use a mouse, so I can't right click.
On Jun 14, 2013, at 1:50 PM, 1belami wrote:
Right click and archive
On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I need to zip a couple of files (less than 5 MB total) for a friend who's using Windows.
>
> I tried DropStuff 11.0 I had laying around but when my friend opens the zip the files are all 1K or such and have no content.
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a free (preferred) utility to zip files?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
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On Jun 14, 2013, at 1:50 PM, 1belami wrote:
Right click and archive
On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dave C <davec2468@yahoo.
> I need to zip a couple of files (less than 5 MB total) for a friend who's using Windows.
>
> I tried DropStuff 11.0 I had laying around but when my friend opens the zip the files are all 1K or such and have no content.
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a free (preferred) utility to zip files?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard
> 2011 Mini 2.7 GHz dual i7 / 16 GB / 250 GB & 750 GB
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
> I need to zip a couple of files (less than 5 MB total) for a friend who's using Windows.
Highlight both files in the Finder
Right-click on them
Select "Compress 2 items"
This will produce a .zip file archive of them in the same directory
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Highlight both files in the Finder
Right-click on them
Select "Compress 2 items"
This will produce a .zip file archive of them in the same directory
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