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Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:02 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Harry" jnharry
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:11 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Harry" jnharry
On Tuesday, June 11, 2013, Pete Nalda wrote:
> I'm wondering the same thing, with my early 2009 model macbook pro. I
> guess we'll have to wait until fall to see.
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2013, at 8:16 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > I look forward to Mavericks. I just hope my early 2008 MBP has the stuff
> it takes to upgrade
>
Apple Insider posted a list of compatible macs, gleaned from conversations:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/11/macs-capable-of-running-os-x-mountain-lion-likely-compatible-with-os-x-109-mavericks
"People familiar with the Mavericks Developer Preview have informed *
AppleInsider* that the OS supports the following Macs:
- iMac (Mid-2007 or later)
- MacBook (13-inch Aluminum, Late 2008), (13-inch, Early 2009 or later)
- MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid-2009 or later), (15-inch, Mid/Late 2007 or
later), (17-inch, Late 2007 or later)
- MacBook Air (Late 2008 or later)
- Mac Mini (Early 2009 or later)
- Mac Pro (Early 2008 or later)
- Xserve (Early 2009)"
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> I'm wondering the same thing, with my early 2009 model macbook pro. I
> guess we'll have to wait until fall to see.
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2013, at 8:16 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.
> wrote:
>
> > I look forward to Mavericks. I just hope my early 2008 MBP has the stuff
> it takes to upgrade
>
Apple Insider posted a list of compatible macs, gleaned from conversations:
http://appleinsider
"People familiar with the Mavericks Developer Preview have informed *
AppleInsider* that the OS supports the following Macs:
- iMac (Mid-2007 or later)
- MacBook (13-inch Aluminum, Late 2008), (13-inch, Early 2009 or later)
- MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid-2009 or later), (15-inch, Mid/Late 2007 or
later), (17-inch, Late 2007 or later)
- MacBook Air (Late 2008 or later)
- Mac Mini (Early 2009 or later)
- Mac Pro (Early 2008 or later)
- Xserve (Early 2009)"
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Barry Austern" barryaus
On Jun 11, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
> "Mavericks&quo
>
Makes me think too much of the 2008 Republican campaign, and I hardly want a new MacOS as intelligent as Sarah Palin.
> Apparently at the WWDC one Apple exec on stage muttered something about
> they were running out of good cat names and Mac OS X 10.9 Sea Lion just
> didn't quite fit.
>
Still plenty more cat names. However, as a Cincinnatian I know that OS-X-10.9 Bengals would be a real loser.
>
>
> Mavericks is a surfing beach in Northern California near Half Moon Bay.
>
> Mavericks, to me, sounds a lot better than:
>
> Hot Coffee, Mississippi.
> Loafers Glory, North Carolina.
> Boring, Oregon.
> Condemned Bar, California.
> Cranky Corner, Louisiana.
> Greasy, Oklahoma.
> Lick Skillet, Tennessee.
> Do Stop, Kentucky.
> Gobbler'
> Slumgullion Pass, Colorado.
> Great Dismal Swamp, North Carolina.
>
How about Rabbit Hash, Kentucky, or to make it seem like a really sexy OS, Intercourse, PA?
> With equal time for our UK friends:
> Llanfairpwllgwyngyl
> Shitlingthorpe, Yorkshire (is this a REAL place? Time to change the
> name)
>
> And equal time to our Canadian friends:
> Balls Falls, Ontario.
>
I'm kind of partial to Dildo, NL myself.
> And we probably shouldn'
> Bong Bong, NSW.
>
> And worst of all, at lest if you speak English is, I kid you not:
> Fucking, Austria. (Yes, it really is a town)
>
> Denver Dan
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:12 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"halfhoff" halfhoff
Well it is a good thing that they are not naming the next versions of Mac OS X after some places here in Canada. Could you imagine:
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan (or Saskatchewan for that matter)
Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump, Alberta
Spuzzum, British Columbia
Chicoutimi, Quebec
Conception Bay, Newfoundland
Burnt Church, New Brunswick.
Oh and in honour of Kris from nearby Washington State:
Stoner, British Columbia
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> "Mavericks" is the name of the new Mac OS X 10.9 system.
>
> Apparently at the WWDC one Apple exec on stage muttered something about
> they were running out of good cat names and Mac OS X 10.9 Sea Lion just
> didn't quite fit.
>
> Bark! Bark!
>
> Late last night I read a very very snarky article this morning about
> California place names being used but now can't find it for a link.
>
> Apple said the new nicknames would be for places in California that had
> been significant to the life of Apple.
>
> Mavericks is a surfing beach in Northern California near Half Moon Bay.
>
> Mavericks, to me, sounds a lot better than:
>
> Hot Coffee, Mississippi.
> Loafers Glory, North Carolina.
> Boring, Oregon.
> Condemned Bar, California.
> Cranky Corner, Louisiana.
> Greasy, Oklahoma.
> Lick Skillet, Tennessee.
> Do Stop, Kentucky.
> Gobbler's Knob, Pennsylvania.
> Slumgullion Pass, Colorado.
> Great Dismal Swamp, North Carolina.
>
> With equal time for our UK friends:
> Llanfairpwllgwyngyll, Wales.
> Shitlingthorpe, Yorkshire (is this a REAL place? Time to change the
> name)
>
> And equal time to our Canadian friends:
> Balls Falls, Ontario.
>
> And we probably shouldn't even mention Australia but I can't resist:
> Bong Bong, NSW.
>
> And worst of all, at lest if you speak English is, I kid you not:
> Fucking, Austria. (Yes, it really is a town)
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Dave C wrote:
> > "N.A. Nada" wrote:
> >
> > I look forward to Mavericks. I just hope my early 2008 MBP has the
> > stuff it takes to upgrade to it.
> >
> > I read the first 7 pages and I still don't know what Mavericks is.
> > Nowhere did the author define the term before using it.
> >
> > Is this the next release of OS X (10.9)? If so, what's the new theme
> > (if not cats)?
> >
> > Dave
>
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan (or Saskatchewan for that matter)
Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump, Alberta
Spuzzum, British Columbia
Chicoutimi, Quebec
Conception Bay, Newfoundland
Burnt Church, New Brunswick.
Oh and in honour of Kris from nearby Washington State:
Stoner, British Columbia
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Howdy.
>
> "Mavericks&quo
>
> Apparently at the WWDC one Apple exec on stage muttered something about
> they were running out of good cat names and Mac OS X 10.9 Sea Lion just
> didn't quite fit.
>
> Bark! Bark!
>
> Late last night I read a very very snarky article this morning about
> California place names being used but now can't find it for a link.
>
> Apple said the new nicknames would be for places in California that had
> been significant to the life of Apple.
>
> Mavericks is a surfing beach in Northern California near Half Moon Bay.
>
> Mavericks, to me, sounds a lot better than:
>
> Hot Coffee, Mississippi.
> Loafers Glory, North Carolina.
> Boring, Oregon.
> Condemned Bar, California.
> Cranky Corner, Louisiana.
> Greasy, Oklahoma.
> Lick Skillet, Tennessee.
> Do Stop, Kentucky.
> Gobbler'
> Slumgullion Pass, Colorado.
> Great Dismal Swamp, North Carolina.
>
> With equal time for our UK friends:
> Llanfairpwllgwyngyl
> Shitlingthorpe, Yorkshire (is this a REAL place? Time to change the
> name)
>
> And equal time to our Canadian friends:
> Balls Falls, Ontario.
>
> And we probably shouldn'
> Bong Bong, NSW.
>
> And worst of all, at lest if you speak English is, I kid you not:
> Fucking, Austria. (Yes, it really is a town)
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Dave C wrote:
> > "N.A. Nada" wrote:
> >
> > I look forward to Mavericks. I just hope my early 2008 MBP has the
> > stuff it takes to upgrade to it.
> >
> > I read the first 7 pages and I still don't know what Mavericks is.
> > Nowhere did the author define the term before using it.
> >
> > Is this the next release of OS X (10.9)? If so, what's the new theme
> > (if not cats)?
> >
> > Dave
>
Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:46 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Hey! Hey! I take exception to picking on Oregon. Boring fits right in with Sisters, Drain, and The Dalles. (Just kidding Dan, I'm fine with that. And dalles is a geographic formation that is appropriate to the area.)
I just wish they had started with Yucaipa, CA and hope they skip Turlock, CA. Growing up the road from Apple's stomping ground, the joke back in high school was, "It is not where is Turlock, but what's a Turlock?" Chowchilla (CA) kind of rolls off the tongue.
But then again they have used another CA beach name before as a code name. I just can't remember which it was.
Brent
On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:47 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
Howdy.
"Mavericks" is the name of the new Mac OS X 10.9 system.
Apparently at the WWDC one Apple exec on stage muttered something about
they were running out of good cat names and Mac OS X 10.9 Sea Lion just
didn't quite fit.
Bark! Bark!
Late last night I read a very very snarky article this morning about
California place names being used but now can't find it for a link.
Apple said the new nicknames would be for places in California that had
been significant to the life of Apple.
Mavericks is a surfing beach in Northern California near Half Moon Bay.
Mavericks, to me, sounds a lot better than:
Hot Coffee, Mississippi.
Loafers Glory, North Carolina.
Boring, Oregon.
Condemned Bar, California.
Cranky Corner, Louisiana.
Greasy, Oklahoma.
Lick Skillet, Tennessee.
Do Stop, Kentucky.
Gobbler's Knob, Pennsylvania.
Slumgullion Pass, Colorado.
Great Dismal Swamp, North Carolina. .
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I just wish they had started with Yucaipa, CA and hope they skip Turlock, CA. Growing up the road from Apple's stomping ground, the joke back in high school was, "It is not where is Turlock, but what's a Turlock?" Chowchilla (CA) kind of rolls off the tongue.
But then again they have used another CA beach name before as a code name. I just can't remember which it was.
Brent
On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:47 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
Howdy.
"Mavericks&quo
Apparently at the WWDC one Apple exec on stage muttered something about
they were running out of good cat names and Mac OS X 10.9 Sea Lion just
didn't quite fit.
Bark! Bark!
Late last night I read a very very snarky article this morning about
California place names being used but now can't find it for a link.
Apple said the new nicknames would be for places in California that had
been significant to the life of Apple.
Mavericks is a surfing beach in Northern California near Half Moon Bay.
Mavericks, to me, sounds a lot better than:
Hot Coffee, Mississippi.
Loafers Glory, North Carolina.
Boring, Oregon.
Condemned Bar, California.
Cranky Corner, Louisiana.
Greasy, Oklahoma.
Lick Skillet, Tennessee.
Do Stop, Kentucky.
Gobbler'
Slumgullion Pass, Colorado.
Great Dismal Swamp, North Carolina. .
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Thanks for the info Jim.
Bummer! I can't afford to replace my early 2008 MBP. I was really looking forward to finally being able to use iBooks on my MBP.
Hmm, maybe I'll have to look at a MacBook Air or Mac Mini.
Brent
On Jun 11, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Jim Harry wrote:
On Tuesday, June 11, 2013, Pete Nalda wrote:
> I'm wondering the same thing, with my early 2009 model macbook pro. I
> guess we'll have to wait until fall to see.
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2013, at 8:16 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.net <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > I look forward to Mavericks. I just hope my early 2008 MBP has the stuff
> it takes to upgrade
>
Apple Insider posted a list of compatible macs, gleaned from conversations:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/11/macs-capable-of-running-os-x-mountain-lion-likely-compatible-with-os-x-109-mavericks
"People familiar with the Mavericks Developer Preview have informed *
AppleInsider* that the OS supports the following Macs:
- iMac (Mid-2007 or later)
- MacBook (13-inch Aluminum, Late 2008), (13-inch, Early 2009 or later)
- MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid-2009 or later), (15-inch, Mid/Late 2007 or
later), (17-inch, Late 2007 or later)
- MacBook Air (Late 2008 or later)
- Mac Mini (Early 2009 or later)
- Mac Pro (Early 2008 or later)
- Xserve (Early 2009)"
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Bummer! I can't afford to replace my early 2008 MBP. I was really looking forward to finally being able to use iBooks on my MBP.
Hmm, maybe I'll have to look at a MacBook Air or Mac Mini.
Brent
On Jun 11, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Jim Harry wrote:
On Tuesday, June 11, 2013, Pete Nalda wrote:
> I'm wondering the same thing, with my early 2009 model macbook pro. I
> guess we'll have to wait until fall to see.
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2013, at 8:16 PM, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@comcast.
> wrote:
>
> > I look forward to Mavericks. I just hope my early 2008 MBP has the stuff
> it takes to upgrade
>
Apple Insider posted a list of compatible macs, gleaned from conversations:
http://appleinsider
"People familiar with the Mavericks Developer Preview have informed *
AppleInsider* that the OS supports the following Macs:
- iMac (Mid-2007 or later)
- MacBook (13-inch Aluminum, Late 2008), (13-inch, Early 2009 or later)
- MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid-2009 or later), (15-inch, Mid/Late 2007 or
later), (17-inch, Late 2007 or later)
- MacBook Air (Late 2008 or later)
- Mac Mini (Early 2009 or later)
- Mac Pro (Early 2008 or later)
- Xserve (Early 2009)"
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Barry, those names are too suggestive for Apple.
How about Hell, MI?
On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Barry Austern wrote:
On Jun 11, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
> "Mavericks" is the name of the new Mac OS X 10.9 system.
>
Makes me think too much of the 2008 Republican campaign, and I hardly want a new MacOS as intelligent as Sarah Palin.
> Apparently at the WWDC one Apple exec on stage muttered something about
> they were running out of good cat names and Mac OS X 10.9 Sea Lion just
> didn't quite fit.
>
Still plenty more cat names. However, as a Cincinnatian I know that OS-X-10.9 Bengals would be a real loser.
>
>
> Mavericks is a surfing beach in Northern California near Half Moon Bay.
>
> Mavericks, to me, sounds a lot better than:
>
> Hot Coffee, Mississippi.
> Loafers Glory, North Carolina.
> Boring, Oregon.
> Condemned Bar, California.
> Cranky Corner, Louisiana.
> Greasy, Oklahoma.
> Lick Skillet, Tennessee.
> Do Stop, Kentucky.
> Gobbler's Knob, Pennsylvania.
> Slumgullion Pass, Colorado.
> Great Dismal Swamp, North Carolina.
>
How about Rabbit Hash, Kentucky, or to make it seem like a really sexy OS, Intercourse, PA?
> With equal time for our UK friends:
> Llanfairpwllgwyngyll, Wales.
> Shitlingthorpe, Yorkshire (is this a REAL place? Time to change the
> name)
>
> And equal time to our Canadian friends:
> Balls Falls, Ontario.
>
I‚m kind of partial to Dildo, NL myself.
> And we probably shouldn't even mention Australia but I can't resist:
> Bong Bong, NSW.
>
> And worst of all, at lest if you speak English is, I kid you not:
> Fucking, Austria. (Yes, it really is a town)
>
> Denver Dan
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.net
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How about Hell, MI?
On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Barry Austern wrote:
On Jun 11, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Denver Dan wrote:
>
> "Mavericks&quo
>
Makes me think too much of the 2008 Republican campaign, and I hardly want a new MacOS as intelligent as Sarah Palin.
> Apparently at the WWDC one Apple exec on stage muttered something about
> they were running out of good cat names and Mac OS X 10.9 Sea Lion just
> didn't quite fit.
>
Still plenty more cat names. However, as a Cincinnatian I know that OS-X-10.9 Bengals would be a real loser.
>
>
> Mavericks is a surfing beach in Northern California near Half Moon Bay.
>
> Mavericks, to me, sounds a lot better than:
>
> Hot Coffee, Mississippi.
> Loafers Glory, North Carolina.
> Boring, Oregon.
> Condemned Bar, California.
> Cranky Corner, Louisiana.
> Greasy, Oklahoma.
> Lick Skillet, Tennessee.
> Do Stop, Kentucky.
> Gobbler'
> Slumgullion Pass, Colorado.
> Great Dismal Swamp, North Carolina.
>
How about Rabbit Hash, Kentucky, or to make it seem like a really sexy OS, Intercourse, PA?
> With equal time for our UK friends:
> Llanfairpwllgwyngyl
> Shitlingthorpe, Yorkshire (is this a REAL place? Time to change the
> name)
>
> And equal time to our Canadian friends:
> Balls Falls, Ontario.
>
I‚m kind of partial to Dildo, NL myself.
> And we probably shouldn'
> Bong Bong, NSW.
>
> And worst of all, at lest if you speak English is, I kid you not:
> Fucking, Austria. (Yes, it really is a town)
>
> Denver Dan
--
Barry Austern
barryaus@fuse.
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:12 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
How could you miss, Regina, Saskatchewan? It is only the provence capital. Which I was told by the locals is correctly pronounced sounding like viagina.
And thank the deity, that you did not mention Swift Current, SK, whose town motto is "Where life makes sense.", but they bowl with only 8 or 9 pins and balls that have no holes. It's just 175 km west of Moose Jaw.
On Jun 11, 2013, at 2:12 PM, halfhoff wrote:
Well it is a good thing that they are not naming the next versions of Mac OS X after some places here in Canada. Could you imagine:
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan (or Saskatchewan for that matter)
Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump, Alberta
Spuzzum, British Columbia
Chicoutimi, Quebec
Conception Bay, Newfoundland
Burnt Church, New Brunswick.
Oh and in honour of Kris from nearby Washington State:
Stoner, British Columbia
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , Denver Dan <denver.dan@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy.
>
> "Mavericks" is the name of the new Mac OS X 10.9 system.
>
> Apparently at the WWDC one Apple exec on stage muttered something about
> they were running out of good cat names and Mac OS X 10.9 Sea Lion just
> didn't quite fit.
>
> Bark! Bark!
>
> Late last night I read a very very snarky article this morning about
> California place names being used but now can't find it for a link.
>
> Apple said the new nicknames would be for places in California that had
> been significant to the life of Apple.
>
> Mavericks is a surfing beach in Northern California near Half Moon Bay.
>
> Mavericks, to me, sounds a lot better than:
>
> Hot Coffee, Mississippi.
> Loafers Glory, North Carolina.
> Boring, Oregon.
> Condemned Bar, California.
> Cranky Corner, Louisiana.
> Greasy, Oklahoma.
> Lick Skillet, Tennessee.
> Do Stop, Kentucky.
> Gobbler's Knob, Pennsylvania.
> Slumgullion Pass, Colorado.
> Great Dismal Swamp, North Carolina.
>
> With equal time for our UK friends:
> Llanfairpwllgwyngyll, Wales.
> Shitlingthorpe, Yorkshire (is this a REAL place? Time to change the
> name)
>
> And equal time to our Canadian friends:
> Balls Falls, Ontario.
>
> And we probably shouldn't even mention Australia but I can't resist:
> Bong Bong, NSW.
>
> And worst of all, at lest if you speak English is, I kid you not:
> Fucking, Austria. (Yes, it really is a town)
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Dave C wrote:
> > "N.A. Nada" wrote:
> >
> > I look forward to Mavericks. I just hope my early 2008 MBP has the
> > stuff it takes to upgrade to it.
> >
> > I read the first 7 pages and I still don't know what Mavericks is.
> > Nowhere did the author define the term before using it.
> >
> > Is this the next release of OS X (10.9)? If so, what's the new theme
> > (if not cats)?
> >
> > Dave
>
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And thank the deity, that you did not mention Swift Current, SK, whose town motto is "Where life makes sense."
On Jun 11, 2013, at 2:12 PM, halfhoff wrote:
Well it is a good thing that they are not naming the next versions of Mac OS X after some places here in Canada. Could you imagine:
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan (or Saskatchewan for that matter)
Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump, Alberta
Spuzzum, British Columbia
Chicoutimi, Quebec
Conception Bay, Newfoundland
Burnt Church, New Brunswick.
Oh and in honour of Kris from nearby Washington State:
Stoner, British Columbia
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Howdy.
>
> "Mavericks&quo
>
> Apparently at the WWDC one Apple exec on stage muttered something about
> they were running out of good cat names and Mac OS X 10.9 Sea Lion just
> didn't quite fit.
>
> Bark! Bark!
>
> Late last night I read a very very snarky article this morning about
> California place names being used but now can't find it for a link.
>
> Apple said the new nicknames would be for places in California that had
> been significant to the life of Apple.
>
> Mavericks is a surfing beach in Northern California near Half Moon Bay.
>
> Mavericks, to me, sounds a lot better than:
>
> Hot Coffee, Mississippi.
> Loafers Glory, North Carolina.
> Boring, Oregon.
> Condemned Bar, California.
> Cranky Corner, Louisiana.
> Greasy, Oklahoma.
> Lick Skillet, Tennessee.
> Do Stop, Kentucky.
> Gobbler'
> Slumgullion Pass, Colorado.
> Great Dismal Swamp, North Carolina.
>
> With equal time for our UK friends:
> Llanfairpwllgwyngyl
> Shitlingthorpe, Yorkshire (is this a REAL place? Time to change the
> name)
>
> And equal time to our Canadian friends:
> Balls Falls, Ontario.
>
> And we probably shouldn'
> Bong Bong, NSW.
>
> And worst of all, at lest if you speak English is, I kid you not:
> Fucking, Austria. (Yes, it really is a town)
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Dave C wrote:
> > "N.A. Nada" wrote:
> >
> > I look forward to Mavericks. I just hope my early 2008 MBP has the
> > stuff it takes to upgrade to it.
> >
> > I read the first 7 pages and I still don't know what Mavericks is.
> > Nowhere did the author define the term before using it.
> >
> > Is this the next release of OS X (10.9)? If so, what's the new theme
> > (if not cats)?
> >
> > Dave
>
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Dolores Desideri" djdesideri
Way To Go Dan.
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:23 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Don" don.96705
Interesting history on the Cray 1604. I worked at Remington Rand's Univac division, starting just a few months after Cray left. Cray and a group of engineers were working on a new computer design in the back room where they had developed the Navy shipboard computers. The engineers presented their concept to management and it was rejected out of hand.
The offices for CDC were at 501 S 7th St. in Minneapolis. The biggest Univac commercial computer system was the 1103. The lawyers deny any connection but 1103+501=1604.
In the late 80's I was at NASA Ames. We had a Cray-2, a Cray Y-MP, and an Amdahl 470 as a front end and disk farm. Nasa wanted another Y-MP but Congress would not approve the purchase, had to spread the money around. NASA bought a CDC supercomputer but it was so bad it was only powered up for Congressional visits.
I was the system administrator on the Amdahl 470. The 470 was an upgraded IBM 370. We were adding hard disks to an eventual 196 separate drives. The old ones were 500MB, newer ones were 1GB.
One day a logic card in the Y-MP exploded. The cards were about 5x7 inches. There were holes blown in the cards above and below, but nothing was found of the card that exploded except what was in the backboard connector.
We had several IC's blow (literally) on the Cray-2. Had to replace the Fluorinert every time. Only fifty gallons at $50.00/quart.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
Mac Pro OS X 10.7.5
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> I see that Cray has come back to the top. I had no idea.
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>>
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> Otto
>
> On 10 June 2013 22:51, Jon Kreisler <jonkreisler@gmail.com > wrote:
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>> Ah, the Cray Y-MP...
>> That brings back memories, or should I say nightmares...
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The offices for CDC were at 501 S 7th St. in Minneapolis. The biggest Univac commercial computer system was the 1103. The lawyers deny any connection but 1103+501=1604.
In the late 80's I was at NASA Ames. We had a Cray-2, a Cray Y-MP, and an Amdahl 470 as a front end and disk farm. Nasa wanted another Y-MP but Congress would not approve the purchase, had to spread the money around. NASA bought a CDC supercomputer but it was so bad it was only powered up for Congressional visits.
I was the system administrator on the Amdahl 470. The 470 was an upgraded IBM 370. We were adding hard disks to an eventual 196 separate drives. The old ones were 500MB, newer ones were 1GB.
One day a logic card in the Y-MP exploded. The cards were about 5x7 inches. There were holes blown in the cards above and below, but nothing was found of the card that exploded except what was in the backboard connector.
We had several IC's blow (literally) on the Cray-2. Had to replace the Fluorinert every time. Only fifty gallons at $50.00/quart.
Don at 21.9N 159.6W
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
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If it works, run with it!
But it makes no sense. It worked for 8 months, and now you are now "just a wee tad out of range". Did you upgrade speeds and not mention it, or did they move the CO for the DSL "a wee tad"?
Brent
On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Bekah wrote:
And the end of story is that the second tech finally, after a couple more hours (techs at the house from 9:30 AM to 6PM), decided that I'm just a wee tad out of range for the high speed DSL. He advised me to downsize the speed. I called ATT and got that done, saved a bit of money - not a lot - and they did what they do and I'm now getting a lower speed DSL but it seems to come in a bit faster. That was a long tiring weekend!
Bekah
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But it makes no sense. It worked for 8 months, and now you are now "just a wee tad out of range". Did you upgrade speeds and not mention it, or did they move the CO for the DSL "a wee tad"?
Brent
On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Bekah wrote:
And the end of story is that the second tech finally, after a couple more hours (techs at the house from 9:30 AM to 6PM), decided that I'm just a wee tad out of range for the high speed DSL. He advised me to downsize the speed. I called ATT and got that done, saved a bit of money - not a lot - and they did what they do and I'm now getting a lower speed DSL but it seems to come in a bit faster. That was a long tiring weekend!
Bekah
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:20 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Bekah" bekalex
Well - the saga continues - I asked that very question and the second technician yesterday said that sometimes the modems fry out - but … this is a new modem - clean lines. Anyway, he gave up and said it had to be the distance - I was over their max. Imo, it's easily possible that they added a bunch of ATT customers between me and the source (whatever that is that sends the signal).
Anyway, the lower speed stopped working, too. This morning the new modem at lower speed was doing the same thing as everything before. After some thought I called another service provider here, an old established company but a bit more costly, and they'll be out here tomorrow to check "IF" I can get reception. I used them from 1996-2000 or so. If they can't do it then there are a couple other sources - Charter Cable - ??? If worse comes to worse, I still can use the Verizon hot spot (4G but expensive). Verizon broadband doesn't extend out here, though - (heh). I'm at the very edge of town, the next to last house on the block before the wet-land area.
Anyway, then I called ATT and discontinued service. And yes, they did it right quick - no problems. I guess I'd already gone through all the hoops by trying all that stuff and working with techs and technicians and new modems and stuff. If I can't get service per their own technicians then that's a pretty good reason ~ The person doing my discontinue wasn't surprised a bit - even gave me my full month refund (so she said - we'll see). I kept my ATT phone land line - since 1980, I think. That's no problem.
Bekah
On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:18 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> If it works, run with it!
>
> But it makes no sense. It worked for 8 months, and now you are now "just a wee tad out of range". Did you upgrade speeds and not mention it, or did they move the CO for the DSL "a wee tad"?
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Bekah wrote:
>
> And the end of story is that the second tech finally, after a couple more hours (techs at the house from 9:30 AM to 6PM), decided that I'm just a wee tad out of range for the high speed DSL. He advised me to downsize the speed. I called ATT and got that done, saved a bit of money - not a lot - and they did what they do and I'm now getting a lower speed DSL but it seems to come in a bit faster. That was a long tiring weekend!
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Anyway, the lower speed stopped working, too. This morning the new modem at lower speed was doing the same thing as everything before. After some thought I called another service provider here, an old established company but a bit more costly, and they'll be out here tomorrow to check "IF" I can get reception. I used them from 1996-2000 or so. If they can't do it then there are a couple other sources - Charter Cable - ??? If worse comes to worse, I still can use the Verizon hot spot (4G but expensive). Verizon broadband doesn't extend out here, though - (heh). I'm at the very edge of town, the next to last house on the block before the wet-land area.
Anyway, then I called ATT and discontinued service. And yes, they did it right quick - no problems. I guess I'd already gone through all the hoops by trying all that stuff and working with techs and technicians and new modems and stuff. If I can't get service per their own technicians then that's a pretty good reason ~ The person doing my discontinue wasn't surprised a bit - even gave me my full month refund (so she said - we'll see). I kept my ATT phone land line - since 1980, I think. That's no problem.
Bekah
On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:18 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> If it works, run with it!
>
> But it makes no sense. It worked for 8 months, and now you are now "just a wee tad out of range". Did you upgrade speeds and not mention it, or did they move the CO for the DSL "a wee tad"?
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Bekah wrote:
>
> And the end of story is that the second tech finally, after a couple more hours (techs at the house from 9:30 AM to 6PM), decided that I'm just a wee tad out of range for the high speed DSL. He advised me to downsize the speed. I called ATT and got that done, saved a bit of money - not a lot - and they did what they do and I'm now getting a lower speed DSL but it seems to come in a bit faster. That was a long tiring weekend!
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:20 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
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Well - the saga continues - I asked that very question and the second technician yesterday said that sometimes the modems fry out - but … this is a new modem - clean lines. Anyway, he gave up and said it had to be the distance - I was over their max. Imo, it's easily possible that they added a bunch of ATT customers between me and the source (whatever that is that sends the signal).
Anyway, the lower speed stopped working, too. This morning the new modem at lower speed was doing the same thing as everything before. After some thought I called another service provider here, an old established company but a bit more costly, and they'll be out here tomorrow to check "IF" I can get reception. I used them from 1996-2000 or so. If they can't do it then there are a couple other sources - Charter Cable - ??? If worse comes to worse, I still can use the Verizon hot spot (4G but expensive). Verizon broadband doesn't extend out here, though - (heh). I'm at the very edge of town, the next to last house on the block before the wet-land area.
Anyway, then I called ATT and discontinued service. And yes, they did it right quick - no problems. I guess I'd already gone through all the hoops by trying all that stuff and working with techs and technicians and new modems and stuff. If I can't get service per their own technicians then that's a pretty good reason ~ The person doing my discontinue wasn't surprised a bit - even gave me my full month refund (so she said - we'll see). I kept my ATT phone land line - since 1980, I think. That's no problem.
Bekah
On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:18 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net > wrote:
> If it works, run with it!
>
> But it makes no sense. It worked for 8 months, and now you are now "just a wee tad out of range". Did you upgrade speeds and not mention it, or did they move the CO for the DSL "a wee tad"?
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Bekah wrote:
>
> And the end of story is that the second tech finally, after a couple more hours (techs at the house from 9:30 AM to 6PM), decided that I'm just a wee tad out of range for the high speed DSL. He advised me to downsize the speed. I called ATT and got that done, saved a bit of money - not a lot - and they did what they do and I'm now getting a lower speed DSL but it seems to come in a bit faster. That was a long tiring weekend!
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Anyway, the lower speed stopped working, too. This morning the new modem at lower speed was doing the same thing as everything before. After some thought I called another service provider here, an old established company but a bit more costly, and they'll be out here tomorrow to check "IF" I can get reception. I used them from 1996-2000 or so. If they can't do it then there are a couple other sources - Charter Cable - ??? If worse comes to worse, I still can use the Verizon hot spot (4G but expensive). Verizon broadband doesn't extend out here, though - (heh). I'm at the very edge of town, the next to last house on the block before the wet-land area.
Anyway, then I called ATT and discontinued service. And yes, they did it right quick - no problems. I guess I'd already gone through all the hoops by trying all that stuff and working with techs and technicians and new modems and stuff. If I can't get service per their own technicians then that's a pretty good reason ~ The person doing my discontinue wasn't surprised a bit - even gave me my full month refund (so she said - we'll see). I kept my ATT phone land line - since 1980, I think. That's no problem.
Bekah
On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:18 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.
> If it works, run with it!
>
> But it makes no sense. It worked for 8 months, and now you are now "just a wee tad out of range". Did you upgrade speeds and not mention it, or did they move the CO for the DSL "a wee tad"?
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Bekah wrote:
>
> And the end of story is that the second tech finally, after a couple more hours (techs at the house from 9:30 AM to 6PM), decided that I'm just a wee tad out of range for the high speed DSL. He advised me to downsize the speed. I called ATT and got that done, saved a bit of money - not a lot - and they did what they do and I'm now getting a lower speed DSL but it seems to come in a bit faster. That was a long tiring weekend!
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:25 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
Look at this article:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57588607-263/how-upgradable-is-the-new-mac-pro/
Plus, no one is forcing them to immediately buy the new Mac Pro. They can wait until they find the hardware they need to make the move.
This happens every time there is a change to new technologies. The trick is not to complain, but to look for ways to make it work.
Brent
On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Imran Khan wrote:
Dear Denver,
I agree with you and i was suggesting the same to my friends.
But to upgrade the default hard drive currently was cheaper , with flash it will be expensive.
As for the AMD card again agree with you but people depending on nvidia's mercury engine and cuda calculation will have trouble.
by RAID i meant RAID 5 in current MacPro.
Anyways certain things have to be given up to keep up with technology.
Regards
Imran
On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Imran, with respect, no no no no and no.
>
> I think that perhaps you have missed the point of the speed of
> Thunderbolt 2 technology and the speed increases of what's inside this
> new tower.
>
> 1. You will be able to buy dozens of cheap external hard drives and
> connect them. I already do this via eSATA PCIe cards on my old MacPro.
>
> 2. Video / Audio editor will get a card cage. This is also called a
> PCIe Card Expansion Chassis. These have existed for years but a new
> one would be via Thunderbolt 2. It's an external box, connected via
> Thunderbolt 2 cable, with slots for PCIe capture cards and other PCIe
> cards like my eSATA cards.
>
> 3. Fiber storage? Don't know but there may be a Thunderbolt 2 adapter
> available??
>
> 4. Thunderbolt 2 for RAID should be very easy and very fast. I
> already do Mirrored RAID via Ethernet on my old MacPro.
>
> Six Thunderbolt 2 ports on three busses. Apple says this allows for
> connection of up to 36 very fast peripherals with each port support up
> to 6 devices. At 20 gbps this is faster than the current internal PCIe
> card slots/cards and according to a review up to 25 times faster than
> FireWire 800.
>
> Sonnet already sells Thunderbolt expansion chassis boxes.
>
> <http://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/ >
>
> 5. AMD card? I quote from yesterday's MacWorld review of this new
> MacPro:
>
> "AMD FirePro workstation GPU with up to 6GB of dedicated VRAM. Apple
> says those two GPUs offer up to 7 teraflops of performance˜compared to
> 2.7 teraflops for the current Mac Pro˜and can drive not one, not two,
> but three 4K-resolution (3840- by 2160-pixel) displays."
>
> Plus plug in a display to an external graphics card in a card cage.
>
> I think there are several MAJOR speed increases that are being missed
> by some folks.
>
> A. PCI Express Flash storage. Greatly faster than current SATA flash
> SSDs.
>
> B. RAM upgraded to 4 channel DDR# at 1866 MHz and 60 GB per second
> memory band which is twice the current MacPro.
>
> C. New Intel Xeon E5 processors that Apple claims are up to twice as
> fast as current MacPro Xeon processors.
>
> D. Flash Storage card is customer removable and upgradable according
> to MacWorld review.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:34:33 +0400, Imran Khan wrote:
>> My thoughts is:
>>
>> 1.we can no longer buy cheaper hard drive from market and upgrade
>>
>> 2.Video / Audio editors who invested on PCI based capture cards are
>> in big trouble
>>
>> 3. People connecting to fiber storage will be in trouble
>>
>> 4. From the picture it seems only one hard drive can be installed so
>> no more RAID
>>
>> 5. If only AMD card is the only video compatible then no more mercury
>> engine (in long run it will change but people will curse)
>>
>> I spoke to friend in TV station and almost all of them mentioned the
>> same i have mentioned above.
>>
>> Regards
>> Imran
>> Dubai
>
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Plus, no one is forcing them to immediately buy the new Mac Pro. They can wait until they find the hardware they need to make the move.
This happens every time there is a change to new technologies. The trick is not to complain, but to look for ways to make it work.
Brent
On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Imran Khan wrote:
Dear Denver,
I agree with you and i was suggesting the same to my friends.
But to upgrade the default hard drive currently was cheaper , with flash it will be expensive.
As for the AMD card again agree with you but people depending on nvidia's mercury engine and cuda calculation will have trouble.
by RAID i meant RAID 5 in current MacPro.
Anyways certain things have to be given up to keep up with technology.
Regards
Imran
On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> Imran, with respect, no no no no and no.
>
> I think that perhaps you have missed the point of the speed of
> Thunderbolt 2 technology and the speed increases of what's inside this
> new tower.
>
> 1. You will be able to buy dozens of cheap external hard drives and
> connect them. I already do this via eSATA PCIe cards on my old MacPro.
>
> 2. Video / Audio editor will get a card cage. This is also called a
> PCIe Card Expansion Chassis. These have existed for years but a new
> one would be via Thunderbolt 2. It's an external box, connected via
> Thunderbolt 2 cable, with slots for PCIe capture cards and other PCIe
> cards like my eSATA cards.
>
> 3. Fiber storage? Don't know but there may be a Thunderbolt 2 adapter
> available??
>
> 4. Thunderbolt 2 for RAID should be very easy and very fast. I
> already do Mirrored RAID via Ethernet on my old MacPro.
>
> Six Thunderbolt 2 ports on three busses. Apple says this allows for
> connection of up to 36 very fast peripherals with each port support up
> to 6 devices. At 20 gbps this is faster than the current internal PCIe
> card slots/cards and according to a review up to 25 times faster than
> FireWire 800.
>
> Sonnet already sells Thunderbolt expansion chassis boxes.
>
> <http://www.sonnette
>
> 5. AMD card? I quote from yesterday'
> MacPro:
>
> "AMD FirePro workstation GPU with up to 6GB of dedicated VRAM. Apple
> says those two GPUs offer up to 7 teraflops of performance˜compared to
> 2.7 teraflops for the current Mac Pro˜and can drive not one, not two,
> but three 4K-resolution (3840- by 2160-pixel) displays."
>
> Plus plug in a display to an external graphics card in a card cage.
>
> I think there are several MAJOR speed increases that are being missed
> by some folks.
>
> A. PCI Express Flash storage. Greatly faster than current SATA flash
> SSDs.
>
> B. RAM upgraded to 4 channel DDR# at 1866 MHz and 60 GB per second
> memory band which is twice the current MacPro.
>
> C. New Intel Xeon E5 processors that Apple claims are up to twice as
> fast as current MacPro Xeon processors.
>
> D. Flash Storage card is customer removable and upgradable according
> to MacWorld review.
>
> Denver Dan
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:34:33 +0400, Imran Khan wrote:
>> My thoughts is:
>>
>> 1.we can no longer buy cheaper hard drive from market and upgrade
>>
>> 2.Video / Audio editors who invested on PCI based capture cards are
>> in big trouble
>>
>> 3. People connecting to fiber storage will be in trouble
>>
>> 4. From the picture it seems only one hard drive can be installed so
>> no more RAID
>>
>> 5. If only AMD card is the only video compatible then no more mercury
>> engine (in long run it will change but people will curse)
>>
>> I spoke to friend in TV station and almost all of them mentioned the
>> same i have mentioned above.
>>
>> Regards
>> Imran
>> Dubai
>
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
Well, yes, we all know the Pro has been left behind (by Apple, if not by
other "tower" computers). At the UK site, it's still advertised here
<http://www.apple.com/uk/macpro/ > but there is no "Buy now" button and it's
not in the store.
<http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac >
It's still available in the US, though.
<http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro >
I'm only surprised that the Pro design lasted so long. It looked much the
same as the G5, which arrived in 2003. That's an *age* in computing.
It always seemed odd to me that Apple left such a gap between the mini and
the Pro, or was the iMac meant to plug that gap?
Otto
On 11 June 2013 19:40, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net > wrote:
> Howdy.
>
> Otto I think sales of current MacPro were already dead. Pretty
> outdated in many areas and being ignored.
>
> It's been in short supply at many US Apple Stores for months and was
> removed from sale in may EU countries (but that was also due to some
> other issue - power supply????).
>
> There's been a Facebook page called "We Want A New MacPro" for a couple
> of years that's been pretty active.
>
>
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other "tower" computers). At the UK site, it's still advertised here
<http://www.apple.
not in the store.
<http://store.
It's still available in the US, though.
<http://store.
I'm only surprised that the Pro design lasted so long. It looked much the
same as the G5, which arrived in 2003. That's an *age* in computing.
It always seemed odd to me that Apple left such a gap between the mini and
the Pro, or was the iMac meant to plug that gap?
Otto
On 11 June 2013 19:40, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.
> Howdy.
>
> Otto I think sales of current MacPro were already dead. Pretty
> outdated in many areas and being ignored.
>
> It's been in short supply at many US Apple Stores for months and was
> removed from sale in may EU countries (but that was also due to some
> other issue - power supply????).
>
> There's been a Facebook page called "We Want A New MacPro" for a couple
> of years that's been pretty active.
>
>
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