6/07/2012

[macsupport] Digest Number 8936

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1a.

iPad Sync Issue causing iTunes freeze

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:15 am (PDT)



Howdy.

I received a new iPad as a gift on Monday and have mostly been
entranced by reading books on it.

But it began to cause the iTunes program to freeze during a sync on
when the Step 2 of 2 part started.

The freeze happened 15 times and even after various restarts, resets,
etc., re-installing iTunes program, etc.

I've just been on telephone with Apple Tech Support (since still under
warranty) for about 75 minutes, got escalated to a more experienced
tech.

The problem may have been solved. I thought I'd share this and maybe
it will help someone in our group.

The Senior Tech is emailing me a "problem" paper on thus topic. I
haven't received it yet but will try to share with the group.

The problem with freezing may be connected to PodCasts being downloaded
to the iPad.

The new iPad setup, connected, was registered flawlessly via iTune
program.

A day later I used iTunes and the USB connection to download more than
100 podcasts of the GREAT History of Rome series read by the author.
(Highly recommend history series…!)

After downloading the podcasts to the iPad, every attempt to
sync/download a music playlist resulted in a frozen iTunes Program
requiring Force Quit to stop program.

Now, with suggest from senior tech, restored the iPad to defaults (iPad
music/playlists/podcasts/apps, etc., deleted), then synced some music
playlists first.

VICTORY! The music now works and plays. No freezes.

It's now downloading some more playlists and seems fine.

The senior tech's suggest is if experiencing a problem with iTunes
freezing - possibly due to first syncing podcasts, is to sync
everything else step by step first and then test. Then if it's working
to sync podcasts last.

By step by step, she (the senior tech) means to first sync music, then
separately to sync apps, and last podcasts.

Hope this helps someone. The problem seems to be a rare one and
according to the tech they are not certain if it is related to a
specific version of iTunes or to more than one version or to a specific
type of computer setup.

Ciao ragazzi

Denver Dan

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1b.

Re: iPad Sync Issue causing iTunes freeze

Posted by: "Robert Buscaglia" rbuscag@yahoo.com   rbuscag

Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:19 am (PDT)



I will second the recommendation of the History of Rome podcast.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 7, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Denver Dan <denver.dan@verizon.net> wrote:

> Howdy.
>
> I received a new iPad as a gift on Monday and have mostly been
> entranced by reading books on it.
>
> But it began to cause the iTunes program to freeze during a sync on
> when the Step 2 of 2 part started.
>
> The freeze happened 15 times and even after various restarts, resets,
> etc., re-installing iTunes program, etc.
>
> I've just been on telephone with Apple Tech Support (since still under
> warranty) for about 75 minutes, got escalated to a more experienced
> tech.
>
> The problem may have been solved. I thought I'd share this and maybe
> it will help someone in our group.
>
> The Senior Tech is emailing me a "problem" paper on thus topic. I
> haven't received it yet but will try to share with the group.
>
> The problem with freezing may be connected to PodCasts being downloaded
> to the iPad.
>
> The new iPad setup, connected, was registered flawlessly via iTune
> program.
>
> A day later I used iTunes and the USB connection to download more than
> 100 podcasts of the GREAT History of Rome series read by the author.
> (Highly recommend history series…!)
>
> After downloading the podcasts to the iPad, every attempt to
> sync/download a music playlist resulted in a frozen iTunes Program
> requiring Force Quit to stop program.
>
> Now, with suggest from senior tech, restored the iPad to defaults (iPad
> music/playlists/podcasts/apps, etc., deleted), then synced some music
> playlists first.
>
> VICTORY! The music now works and plays. No freezes.
>
> It's now downloading some more playlists and seems fine.
>
> The senior tech's suggest is if experiencing a problem with iTunes
> freezing - possibly due to first syncing podcasts, is to sync
> everything else step by step first and then test. Then if it's working
> to sync podcasts last.
>
> By step by step, she (the senior tech) means to first sync music, then
> separately to sync apps, and last podcasts.
>
> Hope this helps someone. The problem seems to be a rare one and
> according to the tech they are not certain if it is related to a
> specific version of iTunes or to more than one version or to a specific
> type of computer setup.
>
> Ciao ragazzi
>
> Denver Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>

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2.

iPhone on VM

Posted by: "Robert" cookrd1@discoveryowners.com   cookrd1

Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:17 am (PDT)



Slightly off-topic, but I can attest that this is a great way to tether your iPad or MBP for a low cost. The only "downside" is that you have to buy the iPhone at full cost. But, a comparable plan on Vz would be over $100/month, over a $60/month savings (comparing same-minute plan, more if you used the VM 300 minute plan), so it would take a short period of time to recover your incremental iPhone cost.

http://gigaom.com/apple/virgin-mobile-pairs-pre-paid-iphone-with-30-plan/?utm_source=General+Users&utm_campaign=1030cb45af-c%3Aapl+d%3A06-07&utm_medium=email

-Bob

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3.

Client mail (GyazMail) & Serious Gmail Problem

Posted by: "Denver Dan" denver.dan@verizon.net   denverdan22180

Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:20 am (PDT)



Howdy.

I've not been participating much here due to several computer issues.

Sometime late Tuesday, June 5, my Google Gmail accounts in GyazMail all
stopped working.

Since I received nearly all of my group email (except for several Mac
groups) via Gmail it's a problem.

My Verizon ISP email in the same GyazMail program continues to work
fine.

I created a Gmail account in Apple's Mail program and it didn't work
there either.

I've read dozens of problem reports about issues with SSL and port 995
and other port numbers but nothing seems to fix the problem.

Gmail continues to work as web mail via a web browser.

And . . . Google has no phone number or email address or any way to
contact anyone for help on the topic. Yes, I've read all the help
items in Gmail online that I can find.

Stumped.

If anyone has a suggestion for a fix, it would be appreciated!

Denver Dan

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4a.

Re: iPad 2 not connecting to wireless network

Posted by: "Jeff" jbturof@yahoo.com   jbturof

Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:38 am (PDT)



@Fred....
It's a Linksys WRT160n.

@Vickie...
You mean password-less?
For the last 4 years I've been password-less and everything worked fine.
It wasn't until I set one that things went squirrely---and when I got the iMac---so I'm assuming if I switch back, it will work. I'll try it though to verify.
The Windows setup more or less made me set a password---but since I'm starting freelance work again and will potentially be working with security-sensitive files, it seemed like a good time to set it up.

Will let you know this evening if no password works.

Thanks all!

Jeff

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Vixpix <vixpix26@...> wrote:
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> Hey, try this... Temporarily remove your password and see if you connect.
>
> Vickie ���
>
> Sent from a spoiled little iPad
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 8:20 AM, "Jeff" <jbturof@...> wrote:
>
> > Okay, went into settings, wi-fi, clicked on the > next to the network and there is no 'Forget this network'. Tried it the Network selection too and it's still not there. My guess of why is because I'm not connected to anything in the first place----the network shows up as available but will not let me connect. Like I said, I've changed the password twice now in the Router setup screen thinking maybe it just wasn't taking (I'm getting desperate, what can I say...).
> > Tried restarting the router again last night too. Still no go.
>

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5a.

Re: How do I download this?

Posted by: "HAL9000" jrswebhome@yahoo.com   jrswebhome

Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:45 am (PDT)



You guy's are great! I did not realize that
there is a difference in Control+Click and Right Click.
I thought they gave the same access.
Yes, the Right Click gave me access to the download.
I appreciate both you guy's help.

jr

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
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> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b05_1338756744&p=1
>
> I control clicked and did not see anyway except to download the html file.
>
> jr
>

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5b.

Re: How do I download this?

Posted by: "HAL9000" jrswebhome@yahoo.com   jrswebhome

Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:51 am (PDT)



Wait a minute, if I right click the link I still download an html file called view. How do I download the video and not the html file in the future. What am I not seeing or have access to, that you guy's do? I right clicked the Source file indicated. Do I have to add the extension for a movie file first before I download?

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@...> wrote:
>
> You guy's are great! I did not realize that
> there is a difference in Control+Click and Right Click.
> I thought they gave the same access.
> Yes, the Right Click gave me access to the download.
> I appreciate both you guy's help.
>
> jr
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "HAL9000" <jrswebhome@> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b05_1338756744&p=1
> >
> > I control clicked and did not see anyway except to download the html file.
> >
> > jr
> >
>

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5c.

Re: How do I download this?

Posted by: "HAL9000" jrswebhome@yahoo.com   jrswebhome

Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:03 am (PDT)



Your drop box movie is low rez, unlike the hi rez original. I tried right clicking to get it, to see if I could, but still get a file called "view.html". Thanks anyways.

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Daly Jessup <jessup@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2012, at 4:27 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
>
> > http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b05_1338756744&p=1
> >
> > I control clicked and did not see anyway except to download the html file.
>
> I right-clicked and it downloaded right away. Just short of 10 MB. I put it in my Dropbox public folder:
> <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tcx5o1mg46uj9zq/xKPo02mHi1>
>
> Daly
>

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5d.

Re: How do I download this?

Posted by: "John Engberg" mrbyte@earthlink.net   mrmacbyte

Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:20 am (PDT)




On Jun 7, 2012, at 1:45 PM, HAL9000 wrote:

> You guy's are great! I did not realize that
> there is a difference in Control+Click and Right Click.
> I thought they gave the same access.
> Yes, the Right Click gave me access to the download.
> I appreciate both you guy's help.
>

That's quite interesting. I've never heard that, nor experienced it. You are saying that you get a different contextual menu in the same finite location with a right click and a control click. Can you point me to the page on which you experienced this?

John Engberg

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5e.

Re: How do I download this?

Posted by: "HAL9000" jrswebhome@yahoo.com   jrswebhome

Thu Jun 7, 2012 12:23 pm (PDT)



John, this is a confusing situation. When I right clicked on the video I got a menu of selections that allowed me to download, but the only file I can download is an html file called "view". I don't know how the other users were able to download the HiRez video.

jr

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, John Engberg <mrbyte@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 1:45 PM, HAL9000 wrote:
>
> > You guy's are great! I did not realize that
> > there is a difference in Control+Click and Right Click.
> > I thought they gave the same access.
> > Yes, the Right Click gave me access to the download.
> > I appreciate both you guy's help.
> >
>
> That's quite interesting. I've never heard that, nor experienced it. You are saying that you get a different contextual menu in the same finite location with a right click and a control click. Can you point me to the page on which you experienced this?
>
> John Engberg
>

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5f.

Re: How do I download this?

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:28 pm (PDT)



> You guy's are great! I did not realize that there is a difference in Control+Click and Right Click.
> I thought they gave the same access.

As far as I was aware, they did.

> Yes, the Right Click gave me access to the download.
> I appreciate both you guy's help.

I'm using a Macbook Pro with a trackpad and no mouse. "Right click" is done either by a 2-finger trackpad click (as I have it set up), or by <control><click>.

I just checked on your video, and both give the identical result here.

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Re: How do I download this?

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:30 pm (PDT)



>>> You guy's are great! I did not realize that there is a difference in Control+Click and Right Click. I thought they gave the same access.
>>>
>>> Yes, the Right Click gave me access to the download.
>>
>> That's quite interesting. I've never heard that, nor experienced it. You are saying that you get a different contextual menu in the same finite location with a right click and a control click. Can you point me to the page on which you experienced this?

>

> John, this is a confusing situation. When I right clicked on the video I got a menu of selections that allowed me to download, but the only file I can download is an html file called "view". I don't know how the other users were able to download the HiRez video.

1. What browser are you using?
2. What version of the MacOS?
3. Do you have some preferences or browser extensions that impinge on this issue?

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6a.

Re: Terminal vs. AppleScript vs. Automator??

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:36 am (PDT)



Lou,

Terminal can do damage to the underlying code that runs your Mac.

As you stated you are a newbie with Terminal, I would suggest you leave your study of it to reading about it for the time being. Especially since you didn't realize it can damage your OS.

I take it you are a Switcher, and comfortable with command line and DOS. Terminal is more like command line, low level closer to machine code, like C++.

AppleScript and Automator are scripting applications that can not damage your OS. They could possibly damage or delete your files and docs, but not damage your OS. They are more like the Basic programing language, more human friendly.

To give you an ideal of my skill level, the last programing languages I studies were Fortran and Basic back in the early '70s. I have written an AppleScript or two, and I have copied and pasted known-good commands into a Terminal window on occasion.

You don't need any of these apps to learn the file structure of Mac OS X. In fact, I found it easier to learn the hierarchical file structure on a Mac than on a PC. Just open a new window from the desktop in hierarchical view and open the various levels of the folders and files. Do it while you are still using 10.6.8, because Apple starts to hide more folders in 10.7. Then do a web search on how to view invisible folders on a Mac, and you will find more stuff that is hidden from the casual user.

Don't start moving stuff or deleting hidden folders, unless you want to cripple your OS. There are "cleaner" apps out there that offer to remove supposedly extra stuff, or the extra language folders, but I suggest against them. Certain developers are bad code writers, and if you remove the extra language folders from Adobe apps, you may find that they will no longer work. You will not significantly save any space by removing these folders, and you will not gain any speed. But you do have a 20-30% chance of crippling a 3rd party app.

Brent

On Jun 7, 2012, at 5:44 AM, LouisD wrote:

I'm beginning to dabble with Terminal, AppleScript and Automator to deepen my understanding of my Mac, OSX (10.6.8), how files and folders are organized, etc. As a complete newbie to these apps, I am a bit confused when and why you would use one over the other? At first glance, it seems to me Terminal and ApplsScript do basically the same thing, just with a different languages, and that Automator is an even simpler interface (and perhaps less powerful/flexible) that avoids the need for knowledge of command line and syntax.

I'm hoping someone can provide a simple high-level overview to help me get my feet on the ground. Do they do completely different things? Can someone give me a few examples of where each app might be best used?

I hope my question isn't too vague or impossible to answer. I'm looking for the quick, simple, non-techie overview at this stage.

Thanks, Lou

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6b.

Re: Terminal vs. AppleScript vs. Automator??

Posted by: "LouisD" lou@loudina.com   ldina

Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:50 am (PDT)



Thanks, Brent.

I appreciate the cautions and will take them to heart. Still, I intend to learn about and experiment with Terminal and AppleScript and will continue to plow ahead....CAREFULLY. I did know I could make a mess of things with Terminal, so I don't do anything without checking. Your cautions underscore that point. I have good backups if I do screw up.

So, it sounds like AppleScript is a 'user friendlier' language than Terminal and can do many of the same things? Do I have that right? Seems like Terminal might be useful for quick commands, whereas Applescript might be convenient for longer scripts and automation. But, being so new to both, I'm just speculating.

I'll do a web search on how to view invisible folders.

Thanks,

Lou

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> Lou,
>
> Terminal can do damage to the underlying code that runs your Mac.
>
> As you stated you are a newbie with Terminal, I would suggest you leave your study of it to reading about it for the time being. Especially since you didn't realize it can damage your OS.
>
> I take it you are a Switcher, and comfortable with command line and DOS. Terminal is more like command line, low level closer to machine code, like C++.
>
> AppleScript and Automator are scripting applications that can not damage your OS. They could possibly damage or delete your files and docs, but not damage your OS. They are more like the Basic programing language, more human friendly.
>
> To give you an ideal of my skill level, the last programing languages I studies were Fortran and Basic back in the early '70s. I have written an AppleScript or two, and I have copied and pasted known-good commands into a Terminal window on occasion.
>
> You don't need any of these apps to learn the file structure of Mac OS X. In fact, I found it easier to learn the hierarchical file structure on a Mac than on a PC. Just open a new window from the desktop in hierarchical view and open the various levels of the folders and files. Do it while you are still using 10.6.8, because Apple starts to hide more folders in 10.7. Then do a web search on how to view invisible folders on a Mac, and you will find more stuff that is hidden from the casual user.
>
> Don't start moving stuff or deleting hidden folders, unless you want to cripple your OS. There are "cleaner" apps out there that offer to remove supposedly extra stuff, or the extra language folders, but I suggest against them. Certain developers are bad code writers, and if you remove the extra language folders from Adobe apps, you may find that they will no longer work. You will not significantly save any space by removing these folders, and you will not gain any speed. But you do have a 20-30% chance of crippling a 3rd party app.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 5:44 AM, LouisD wrote:
>
> I'm beginning to dabble with Terminal, AppleScript and Automator to deepen my understanding of my Mac, OSX (10.6.8), how files and folders are organized, etc. As a complete newbie to these apps, I am a bit confused when and why you would use one over the other? At first glance, it seems to me Terminal and ApplsScript do basically the same thing, just with a different languages, and that Automator is an even simpler interface (and perhaps less powerful/flexible) that avoids the need for knowledge of command line and syntax.
>
> I'm hoping someone can provide a simple high-level overview to help me get my feet on the ground. Do they do completely different things? Can someone give me a few examples of where each app might be best used?
>
> I hope my question isn't too vague or impossible to answer. I'm looking for the quick, simple, non-techie overview at this stage.
>
> Thanks, Lou
>

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6c.

Re: Terminal vs. AppleScript vs. Automator??

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Jun 7, 2012 12:02 pm (PDT)



Lou,

Was I correct that you are an advanced Windows user that has switched? No prejudice involved in my question, I am just trying to understand you skill level. I was forced to us Widows at work, and the hardest thing converting over was the vocabulary. I know what I wanted to do, I just needed the correct vocabulary to look it up in help, most of the time.

I'm glad you took the caution, but I had a feeling you had the skill level not to be deterred.

I can't really speak to how they compare, but my impression is that Terminal is more for one time changes and not scripting scheduled actions.

Yes, my impression is that Applescript is more for longer scripts, say a work flow or scheduled action or automation. More human friendly. Automator is a newer simpler version.

Brent

On Jun 7, 2012, at 11:50 AM, LouisD wrote:

Thanks, Brent.

I appreciate the cautions and will take them to heart. Still, I intend to learn about and experiment with Terminal and AppleScript and will continue to plow ahead....CAREFULLY. I did know I could make a mess of things with Terminal, so I don't do anything without checking. Your cautions underscore that point. I have good backups if I do screw up.

So, it sounds like AppleScript is a 'user friendlier' language than Terminal and can do many of the same things? Do I have that right? Seems like Terminal might be useful for quick commands, whereas Applescript might be convenient for longer scripts and automation. But, being so new to both, I'm just speculating.

I'll do a web search on how to view invisible folders.

Thanks,

Lou

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> Lou,
>
> Terminal can do damage to the underlying code that runs your Mac.
>
> As you stated you are a newbie with Terminal, I would suggest you leave your study of it to reading about it for the time being. Especially since you didn't realize it can damage your OS.
>
> I take it you are a Switcher, and comfortable with command line and DOS. Terminal is more like command line, low level closer to machine code, like C++.
>
> AppleScript and Automator are scripting applications that can not damage your OS. They could possibly damage or delete your files and docs, but not damage your OS. They are more like the Basic programing language, more human friendly.
>
> To give you an ideal of my skill level, the last programing languages I studies were Fortran and Basic back in the early '70s. I have written an AppleScript or two, and I have copied and pasted known-good commands into a Terminal window on occasion.
>
> You don't need any of these apps to learn the file structure of Mac OS X. In fact, I found it easier to learn the hierarchical file structure on a Mac than on a PC. Just open a new window from the desktop in hierarchical view and open the various levels of the folders and files. Do it while you are still using 10.6.8, because Apple starts to hide more folders in 10.7. Then do a web search on how to view invisible folders on a Mac, and you will find more stuff that is hidden from the casual user.
>
> Don't start moving stuff or deleting hidden folders, unless you want to cripple your OS. There are "cleaner" apps out there that offer to remove supposedly extra stuff, or the extra language folders, but I suggest against them. Certain developers are bad code writers, and if you remove the extra language folders from Adobe apps, you may find that they will no longer work. You will not significantly save any space by removing these folders, and you will not gain any speed. But you do have a 20-30% chance of crippling a 3rd party app.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 5:44 AM, LouisD wrote:
>
> I'm beginning to dabble with Terminal, AppleScript and Automator to deepen my understanding of my Mac, OSX (10.6.8), how files and folders are organized, etc. As a complete newbie to these apps, I am a bit confused when and why you would use one over the other? At first glance, it seems to me Terminal and ApplsScript do basically the same thing, just with a different languages, and that Automator is an even simpler interface (and perhaps less powerful/flexible) that avoids the need for knowledge of command line and syntax.
>
> I'm hoping someone can provide a simple high-level overview to help me get my feet on the ground. Do they do completely different things? Can someone give me a few examples of where each app might be best used?
>
> I hope my question isn't too vague or impossible to answer. I'm looking for the quick, simple, non-techie overview at this stage.
>
> Thanks, Lou
>

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6d.

Re: Terminal vs. AppleScript vs. Automator??

Posted by: "LouisD" lou@loudina.com   ldina

Thu Jun 7, 2012 12:15 pm (PDT)



Brent...forgot to answer that.

I used a PC from 1981 until 2009, so I had no choice but to learn DOS commands�that's all there was at the time. I was 'moderately' competent and knew my way around a PC pretty well, but certainly was not an expert. I still used DOS, as required, long after Windows came out.

I'm not sure about "skill level", but I am probably stubborn enough not to be deterred. It's not my goal to become a programmer or a UNIX expert�I just want to see what it can do and how I might be able to use it profitably when required. It's part of my general education and curiosity. While studying, I learn more about my Mac, file locations, organization, etc. I'll be careful, and hopefully this forum won't need to bail me out! I've got 3 redundant backup files of my OS and Data.

I appreciate the extra information.

Lou

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> Lou,
>
> Was I correct that you are an advanced Windows user that has switched? No prejudice involved in my question, I am just trying to understand you skill level. I was forced to us Widows at work, and the hardest thing converting over was the vocabulary. I know what I wanted to do, I just needed the correct vocabulary to look it up in help, most of the time.
>
> I'm glad you took the caution, but I had a feeling you had the skill level not to be deterred.
>
> I can't really speak to how they compare, but my impression is that Terminal is more for one time changes and not scripting scheduled actions.
>
> Yes, my impression is that Applescript is more for longer scripts, say a work flow or scheduled action or automation. More human friendly. Automator is a newer simpler version.
>
> Brent

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Re: Terminal vs. AppleScript vs. Automator??

Posted by: "Jon Kreisler" jonkreisler@gmail.com   jonkreisler

Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:11 pm (PDT)



Terminal is a command interface into Unix. Everything you do in Terminal is
a Unix command. You can write scripts (shell scripts) in Terminal or even
programs if you download Fortran or C++ or other compilers. It allows you
to work everything without a GUI. As to destroying the OS, yes, if you give
it an administrator password, you can wreak all sorts of havoc on your
system. However, if you are careful, Terminal is a very useful and powerful
tool.

Jon

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:02 PM, N.A. Nada <whodo678@comcast.net> wrote:

> Lou,
>
> Was I correct that you are an advanced Windows user that has switched? No
> prejudice involved in my question, I am just trying to understand you skill
> level. I was forced to us Widows at work, and the hardest thing converting
> over was the vocabulary. I know what I wanted to do, I just needed the
> correct vocabulary to look it up in help, most of the time.
>
> I'm glad you took the caution, but I had a feeling you had the skill level
> not to be deterred.
>
> I can't really speak to how they compare, but my impression is that
> Terminal is more for one time changes and not scripting scheduled actions.
>
> Yes, my impression is that Applescript is more for longer scripts, say a
> work flow or scheduled action or automation. More human friendly. Automator
> is a newer simpler version.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2012, at 11:50 AM, LouisD wrote:
>
> Thanks, Brent.
>
> I appreciate the cautions and will take them to heart. Still, I intend to
> learn about and experiment with Terminal and AppleScript and will continue
> to plow ahead....CAREFULLY. I did know I could make a mess of things with
> Terminal, so I don't do anything without checking. Your cautions underscore
> that point. I have good backups if I do screw up.
>
> So, it sounds like AppleScript is a 'user friendlier' language than
> Terminal and can do many of the same things? Do I have that right? Seems
> like Terminal might be useful for quick commands, whereas Applescript might
> be convenient for longer scripts and automation. But, being so new to both,
> I'm just speculating.
>
> I'll do a web search on how to view invisible folders.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lou
>
> --- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Lou,
> >
> > Terminal can do damage to the underlying code that runs your Mac.
> >
> > As you stated you are a newbie with Terminal, I would suggest you leave
> your study of it to reading about it for the time being. Especially since
> you didn't realize it can damage your OS.
> >
> > I take it you are a Switcher, and comfortable with command line and DOS.
> Terminal is more like command line, low level closer to machine code, like
> C++.
> >
> > AppleScript and Automator are scripting applications that can not damage
> your OS. They could possibly damage or delete your files and docs, but not
> damage your OS. They are more like the Basic programing language, more
> human friendly.
> >
> > To give you an ideal of my skill level, the last programing languages I
> studies were Fortran and Basic back in the early '70s. I have written an
> AppleScript or two, and I have copied and pasted known-good commands into a
> Terminal window on occasion.
> >
> > You don't need any of these apps to learn the file structure of Mac OS
> X. In fact, I found it easier to learn the hierarchical file structure on a
> Mac than on a PC. Just open a new window from the desktop in hierarchical
> view and open the various levels of the folders and files. Do it while you
> are still using 10.6.8, because Apple starts to hide more folders in 10.7.
> Then do a web search on how to view invisible folders on a Mac, and you
> will find more stuff that is hidden from the casual user.
> >
> > Don't start moving stuff or deleting hidden folders, unless you want to
> cripple your OS. There are "cleaner" apps out there that offer to remove
> supposedly extra stuff, or the extra language folders, but I suggest
> against them. Certain developers are bad code writers, and if you remove
> the extra language folders from Adobe apps, you may find that they will no
> longer work. You will not significantly save any space by removing these
> folders, and you will not gain any speed. But you do have a 20-30% chance
> of crippling a 3rd party app.
> >
> > Brent
> >
> >
> > On Jun 7, 2012, at 5:44 AM, LouisD wrote:
> >
> > I'm beginning to dabble with Terminal, AppleScript and Automator to
> deepen my understanding of my Mac, OSX (10.6.8), how files and folders are
> organized, etc. As a complete newbie to these apps, I am a bit confused
> when and why you would use one over the other? At first glance, it seems to
> me Terminal and ApplsScript do basically the same thing, just with a
> different languages, and that Automator is an even simpler interface (and
> perhaps less powerful/flexible) that avoids the need for knowledge of
> command line and syntax.
> >
> > I'm hoping someone can provide a simple high-level overview to help me
> get my feet on the ground. Do they do completely different things? Can
> someone give me a few examples of where each app might be best used?
> >
> > I hope my question isn't too vague or impossible to answer. I'm looking
> for the quick, simple, non-techie overview at this stage.
> >
> > Thanks, Lou
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Terminal vs. AppleScript vs. Automator??

Posted by: "Jim Smith" jas1931@gmail.com   jimmacsmith

Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:11 pm (PDT)



Lou
Brent is giving you sound advice. Be very careful with Terminal.

I have been using and programming computers for about 50 years, and have used more command line system than I care to remember. I use terminal on a Mac as a last resort.

To be fore warned is to be fore armed!

Jim Smith
www.rvcarelogbook.com

On Jun 7, 2012, at 2:50 PM, LouisD wrote:

> Thanks, Brent.
>
> I appreciate the cautions and will take them to heart. Still, I intend to learn about and experiment with Terminal and AppleScript and will continue to plow ahead....CAREFULLY. I did know I could make a mess of things with Terminal, so I don't do anything without checking. Your cautions underscore that point. I have good backups if I do screw up.
>
> So, it sounds like AppleScript is a 'user friendlier' language than Terminal and can do many of the same things? Do I have that right? Seems like Terminal might be useful for quick commands, whereas Applescript might be convenient for longer scripts and automation. But, being so new to both, I'm just speculating.
>
> I'll do a web search on how to view invisible folders.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lou

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Re: Terminal vs. AppleScript vs. Automator??

Posted by: "LouisD" lou@loudina.com   ldina

Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:54 pm (PDT)



John/Jim...

Thanks for the extra comments and cautions. Just want to get my feet wet and get grounded in these apps. Appreciate it!

Lou

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, Jim Smith <jas1931@...> wrote:
>
> Lou
> Brent is giving you sound advice. Be very careful with Terminal.
>
> I have been using and programming computers for about 50 years, and have used more command line system than I care to remember. I use terminal on a Mac as a last resort.
>
> To be fore warned is to be fore armed!
>
> Jim Smith
> www.rvcarelogbook.com

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7a.

Re: Bug in iTunes

Posted by: "N.A. Nada" whodo678@comcast.net

Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:45 am (PDT)



Anna,

Can you be any ruder?

We don't work for you. This is not a service you paid for. Everyone here is here voluntarily, so I don't know where you get off with those comments.

You have called me a know it all with a bushel full of 50 cent words, and now you call the members of this list lazy, because we won't do you beck and call.

Well, maybe you should find another list, then.

the other Brent, just a list member

On Jun 7, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Anna Larson wrote:

On 07.06.2012, at 11:29, Otto Nikolaus wrote:

>
> Perhaps someone running 10.7 can try this?

That�s what I was originally hoping too; but now I am convinced the people here on this list are simply too lazy to be of any help when it comes to solving advanced problems. Or they are all preoccupied with their motorcycles ...

In the meantime I found the official confirmation here, so to say:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3021895?start=0&tstart=0

It is a known bug which has not been fixed in Lion.

derfnam503 wrote in Apple Support Communities > iTunes > iTunes for Mac > Discussions:

"Here is the latest update on that problem: We were recreating the same behavior on several Macbook Pro's and a Macbook Air at the Apple Store Bridgeport Village running Lion yesterday, with the sales staff acknowledging the problem:
audio files will play from the specified start time to the specified stop time
video files will play from the specified start time past the specified stop time all the way until the end.
It is a know bug and has not been fixed in Lion."

Anna
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8.1.

Re: Apple's operating systems: Fortresses or prisons?

Posted by: "Tight Guy" jcrowe@jcrowe.net   jcrowe1950

Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:15 pm (PDT)



Hi Randy, Daly et al,

--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com, "Randy B. Singer" <randy@...>
wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Daly Jessup wrote:
>
> > Well, I've read quite a lot about it (the move for Apple to control
> > what you can download) lately.
>
> I think that in times of a bad economy, that the number of paranoid
> people rises exponentially. I've even seen a huge increase in
> paranoid ranting on my motorcycle e-mail discussion list, and on my
> humor list.

Paranoia? Really? I've been an Apple user since 1980 and Apple has
hit some out of the park and had some dogs as well. But, I don't find
it paranoid to see the direction of Apple to have full-blown control of
the Mac/iOS universe. It's a direction Apple has taken and some users
have a problem with. Personally, I'm glad that I have systems that I
can still boot into Snow Leopard. Some of what Lion offers, I like. Some
of what the app store offers I also like. But the direction is anything
that
will run in the Mac/iOS universe will have to go through Apple. That I
have
some discomfort with. That's nothing to do with paranoia.
>
> Folks may want to discuss their fears before jumping to the dystopia
> conclusion. There are often very obvious and logical reasons for the
> things that you are seeing.
>
> > I have never worried about it before, but there does seem to be a
> > movement in that direction.
>
> For quite a long time there were what seemed to be quite a few folks
> who insisted that they would switch away from the Mac if Apple didn't
> get rid of that infuriating Dock. Others said that they simply
> couldn't do without the Apple menu, and others said that they hated
> Apple's "chicklet" keyboards and could never use them.
>
> Surprisingly, none of those things have changed, yet none of those
> "movements" survived or derailed Apple's increasing success.

Irrelevent. Peoples' complaints about those perceived problems
have always been there, but this particular direction is a bit more
drastic, IMO. I see Apple's logic and from a business perspective it
might make sense. However, as others, I vote with my dollars and I
am very happy that there are alternatives out there in both OSs and
hardware. Apple is moving towards iOS as they get the Lion's (pardon
the play on words) share of their profits from that arena now. I think
they will be wildly successful until the economy makes fancy toys moot.
Of course, my Macs and PCs will still run just fine with various OSs
on them. These are all opinions and we all vote with our dollars. I
wish Apple the best success.

> > Randy, you are a smart and experienced and incredibly helpful guy.
> > Please save your broad insults for people who deserve them.
>
> I'm just stating my observations. I'm not saying that they
> necessarily apply to you. You have to decide that for yourself.

FWIW, I don't take your observations as insults. I think that
Randy has proven himself a very informed and wonderfully sharing
kind of a guy. Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion. In this
case, I somewhat diverge from Randy's but what the heck. I argue
vehemently with my best friends over issues and at the end of the
day we are still friends. As an aside, Randy do you see Mountain
Lion as having the same relationship to Lion that Snow Leopard did
to Leopard??
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer

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Re: Apple's operating systems: Fortresses or prisons?

Posted by: "Jim Saklad" jimdoc@me.com   jimdoc01

Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:55 pm (PDT)



>> I think that in times of a bad economy, that the number of paranoid people rises exponentially.
>
> Paranoia? Really? I've been an Apple user since 1980 and Apple has hit some out of the park and had some dogs as well. But, I don't find it paranoid to see the direction of Apple to have full-blown control of the Mac/iOS universe. It's a direction Apple has taken and some users have a problem with. Personally, I'm glad that I have systems that I can still boot into Snow Leopard. Some of what Lion offers, I like. Some of what the app store offers I also like. But the direction is anything that will run in the Mac/iOS universe will have to go through Apple. That I have some discomfort with. That's nothing to do with paranoia.

"Direction..."
"Trend..."

This reminds me of the comment that, "The world population is increasing at such a rate that, were it to be maintained until the year 6000, a solid mass of humanity will be expanding outward from Earth at the speed of light."

Mathematically it may be true, but it will never happen.

And applications for the Mac will be forced to get more secure, but an Apple "lock-box" will never happen. Apple depends on the users and on the developers, and if Apple ticks enough of them off because they are TOO restrictive, they (Apple) will find a more moderate course.

>> For quite a long time there were what seemed to be quite a few folks who insisted that they would switch away from the Mac if Apple didn't get rid of that infuriating Dock. Others said that they simply couldn't do without the Apple menu, and others said that they hated Apple's "chicklet" keyboards and could never use them.
>>
>> ... none of those "movements" survived or derailed Apple's increasing success.
>
> Irrelevant.

Individual programmers, or individual users, may be irrelevant to Apple, but Randy's comment above is *precisely* on point.

> However, as others, I vote with my dollars and I am very happy that there are alternatives out there in both OSs and hardware.

So long, then.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

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some emails won't send

Posted by: "Louise Stewart" veggie236@earthlink.net   pudgybulldog

Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:12 pm (PDT)



Recently I've tried to send some emails but get a message saying "Cannot send message using the server Earthlink. Sending the message content to the server failed. Select a different outgoing mail server from the list below or click Try Later to leave the message in your Outbox until it can be sent. Sending from Louise Stewart <veggie236@earthlink.net>. Then it shows a box with the 3 email addresses (not the actual email, but two lines say Earthlink and the 3rd line shows Comcast) and it has a box saying "Edit SMTP Server List" (and I have no idea what this is. At the bottom of the message it has on the left "edit message" and in the middle it says Try Later and on the right is says Try with Selected Server. With most of these messages, two of my recipients are Yahoo lists I'm subscribed to and so can only send from the one email I'm subscribed with.

I've clicked "connection doctor" and it says everything is fine, but then today I got this additional message which I don't understand at all: </blockquote></div><br></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail=_163B6140-0BBA-4B49-AE92-208F8DD75B58--
.

READ Jun 07 17:04:02.592 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1SSLv3] -- host:smtpauth.earthlink.net -- port:25 -- socket:0x7fe79bc8f110 -- thread:0x7fe79c6a2500
550 Your message does not conform to RFC2822 standard

WROTE Jun 07 17:04:02.622 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1SSLv3] -- host:smtpauth.earthlink.net -- port:25 -- socket:0x7fe79bc8f110 -- thread:0x7fe79c6a2500
QUIT
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

I have 2 email accts, 2 on Earthlink and 1 on Comcast. The message goes into my out box and stays there until finally for some reason it will send, but usually I just have to delete it. What to do?

I have a Mac Mini, the latest version.

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Re: some emails won't send

Posted by: "Terry Pogue" tpogue@comcast.net   terrypogue_2000

Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:23 pm (PDT)



That's off because just recently mine won't sent out either. At all tho. I click on the sent icon and nothing happens. It's very very strange. Eventially I can get it to work but have no idea what is wrong that causes that.
terry

On Jun 7, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Louise Stewart wrote:

> Recently I've tried to send some emails but get a message saying "Cannot send message using the server Earthlink. Sending the message content to the server failed. Select a different outgoing mail server from the list below or click Try Later to leave the message in your Outbox until it can be sent. Sending from Louise Stewart <veggie236@earthlink.net>. Then it shows a box with the 3 email addresses (not the actual email, but two lines say Earthlink and the 3rd line shows Comcast) and it has a box saying "Edit SMTP Server List" (and I have no idea what this is. At the bottom of the message it has on the left "edit message" and in the middle it says Try Later and on the right is says Try with Selected Server. With most of these messages, two of my recipients are Yahoo lists I'm subscribed to and so can only send from the one email I'm subscribed with.
>
> I've clicked "connection doctor" and it says everything is fine, but then today I got this additional message which I don't understand at all: </blockquote></div><br></body></html>=
>
> --Apple-Mail=_163B6140-0BBA-4B49-AE92-208F8DD75B58--
> .
>
> READ Jun 07 17:04:02.592 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1SSLv3] -- host:smtpauth.earthlink.net -- port:25 -- socket:0x7fe79bc8f110 -- thread:0x7fe79c6a2500
> 550 Your message does not conform to RFC2822 standard
>
> WROTE Jun 07 17:04:02.622 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1SSLv3] -- host:smtpauth.earthlink.net -- port:25 -- socket:0x7fe79bc8f110 -- thread:0x7fe79c6a2500
> QUIT
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I have 2 email accts, 2 on Earthlink and 1 on Comcast. The message goes into my out box and stays there until finally for some reason it will send, but usually I just have to delete it. What to do?
>
> I have a Mac Mini, the latest version.
>
>
>
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Re: some emails won't send

Posted by: "Bob" 1belami@gmail.com   bombino21217

Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:35 pm (PDT)



Here�s a workaround that may remove some of the frustration:
In your yahoo groups, you can add more email addresses.

http://groups.yahoo.com/member/preferences/communication/view

On this page you can add/remove email addresses.

IHTH

Bob

On 6/7/12 5:12 PM, "Louise Stewart" <veggie236@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Recently I've tried to send some emails but get a message saying "Cannot send
> message using the server Earthlink. Sending the message content to the server
> failed. Select a different outgoing mail server from the list below or click
> Try Later to leave the message in your Outbox until it can be sent. Sending
> from Louise Stewart <veggie236@earthlink.net
> <mailto:veggie236%40earthlink.net> >. Then it shows a box with the 3 email
> addresses (not the actual email, but two lines say Earthlink and the 3rd line
> shows Comcast) and it has a box saying "Edit SMTP Server List" (and I have no
> idea what this is. At the bottom of the message it has on the left "edit
> message" and in the middle it says Try Later and on the right is says Try with
> Selected Server. With most of these messages, two of my recipients are Yahoo
> lists I'm subscribed to and so can only send from the one email I'm subscribed
> with.
>
> I've clicked "connection doctor" and it says everything is fine, but then
> today I got this additional message which I don't understand at all:
> </blockquote></div><br></body></html>=
>
> --Apple-Mail=_163B6140-0BBA-4B49-AE92-208F8DD75B58--
> .
>
> READ Jun 07 17:04:02.592 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1SSLv3] --
> host:smtpauth.earthlink.net -- port:25 -- socket:0x7fe79bc8f110 --
> thread:0x7fe79c6a2500
> 550 Your message does not conform to RFC2822 standard
>
> WROTE Jun 07 17:04:02.622 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1SSLv3] --
> host:smtpauth.earthlink.net -- port:25 -- socket:0x7fe79bc8f110 --
> thread:0x7fe79c6a2500
> QUIT
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I have 2 email accts, 2 on Earthlink and 1 on Comcast. The message goes into
> my out box and stays there until finally for some reason it will send, but
> usually I just have to delete it. What to do?
>
> I have a Mac Mini, the latest version.
>
>
>
>
>

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