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Tue Jul 9, 2013 6:48 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
On 09/07/13 00:00, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
> Yes, but that option's been removed in Safari 6.
Because it is no longer needed. When you restart Safari 6 it should
restart with all the same tabs open. At least, it does for me, on OS X 10.8.
>
> Otto
>
> On 8 July 2013 23:10, Patsy Price <beyondwords@shaw.ca > wrote:
>
>> In Safari 5.1.6 it's under Safari Preferences > Tabs > Confirm before
>> closing multiple tabs or windows.
>>
>> I'm grateful for the warning, even though it's an extra step when I
>> really do wan to close the window with all its tabs.
>>
>>
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> Yes, but that option's been removed in Safari 6.
Because it is no longer needed. When you restart Safari 6 it should
restart with all the same tabs open. At least, it does for me, on OS X 10.8.
>
> Otto
>
> On 8 July 2013 23:10, Patsy Price <beyondwords@
>
>> In Safari 5.1.6 it's under Safari Preferences > Tabs > Confirm before
>> closing multiple tabs or windows.
>>
>> I'm grateful for the warning, even though it's an extra step when I
>> really do wan to close the window with all its tabs.
>>
>>
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Tue Jul 9, 2013 9:55 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Patsy Price" beyondwords2
At 2:48 PM +0100 7/9/13, Chris Jones wrote:
>Because it is no longer needed. When you restart Safari 6 it should
>restart with all the same tabs open. At least, it does for me, on OS X 10.8.
I'm still in Safari 5, so this statement isn't relevant to me. But
I'm curious. What does that have to do with the original question? In
Safari 6, If you close the tabbed window by mistake yourself but
don't close Safari, how do you get your tabs back?
Patsy
>On 09/07/13 00:00, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>> Yes, but that option's been removed in Safari 6.
>>
>> On 8 July 2013 23:10, Patsy Price <beyondwords@shaw.ca > wrote:
>>
>>> In Safari 5.1.6 it's under Safari Preferences > Tabs > Confirm before
>>> closing multiple tabs or windows.
>>>
>>> I'm grateful for the warning, even though it's an extra step when I
>>> really do wan to close the window with all its tabs.
>Because it is no longer needed. When you restart Safari 6 it should
>restart with all the same tabs open. At least, it does for me, on OS X 10.8.
I'm still in Safari 5, so this statement isn't relevant to me. But
I'm curious. What does that have to do with the original question? In
Safari 6, If you close the tabbed window by mistake yourself but
don't close Safari, how do you get your tabs back?
Patsy
>On 09/07/13 00:00, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>> Yes, but that option's been removed in Safari 6.
>>
>> On 8 July 2013 23:10, Patsy Price <beyondwords@
>>
>>> In Safari 5.1.6 it's under Safari Preferences > Tabs > Confirm before
>>> closing multiple tabs or windows.
>>>
>>> I'm grateful for the warning, even though it's an extra step when I
>>> really do wan to close the window with all its tabs.
Tue Jul 9, 2013 12:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 9 July 2013 17:55, Patsy Price <beyondwords@shaw.ca > wrote:
>
> I'm still in Safari 5, so this statement isn't relevant to me. But
> I'm curious. What does that have to do with the original question? In
> Safari 6, If you close the tabbed window by mistake yourself but
> don't close Safari, how do you get your tabs back?
>
If those are tabs you used in the previous session, History > Reopen All
Windows from Last Session; if they are new tabs, I don't know other than
finding them in History.
I think that applies to both Safari 5 & 6.
Otto
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> I'm still in Safari 5, so this statement isn't relevant to me. But
> I'm curious. What does that have to do with the original question? In
> Safari 6, If you close the tabbed window by mistake yourself but
> don't close Safari, how do you get your tabs back?
>
If those are tabs you used in the previous session, History > Reopen All
Windows from Last Session; if they are new tabs, I don't know other than
finding them in History.
I think that applies to both Safari 5 & 6.
Otto
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Tue Jul 9, 2013 12:53 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"OBrien" conorboru
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:05:41 -0400, Carol Botteron wrote:
> Occasionally I go to hit "back" or the yellow button on a Safari
> window, but accidentally hit the red button on the window...
You could look in History on the menu, open the day, and find your page(s) there.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
O'Brien ––– –... .-. .. . -.
> Occasionally I go to hit "back" or the yellow button on a Safari
> window, but accidentally hit the red button on the window...
You could look in History on the menu, open the day, and find your page(s) there.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
O'Brien ––– –... .-. .. . -.
Tue Jul 9, 2013 1:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> In Safari 6, If you close the tabbed window by mistake yourself but don't close Safari, how do you get your tabs back?
>
> If those are tabs you used in the previous session, History > Reopen All Windows from Last Session; if they are new tabs, I don't know other than finding them in History.
<Command><z>
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>
> If those are tabs you used in the previous session, History > Reopen All Windows from Last Session; if they are new tabs, I don't know other than finding them in History.
<Command>
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.
Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:02 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Chris Jones" bobstermcbob
Hi,
> At 2:48 PM +0100 7/9/13, Chris Jones wrote:
>> Because it is no longer needed. When you restart Safari 6 it should
>> restart with all the same tabs open. At least, it does for me, on OS X 10.8.
>
> I'm still in Safari 5, so this statement isn't relevant to me. But
> I'm curious. What does that have to do with the original question?
My reply wasn't to the original question, so it has nothing to do with it, nor was it intended to. It was just a reply a to a follow up comment why a feature was removed from safari 6. Because another was added that (for the most part) negates its purpose, and as we all know Apple detests extraneous options, so decided to remove it.
Chris
> At 2:48 PM +0100 7/9/13, Chris Jones wrote:
>> Because it is no longer needed. When you restart Safari 6 it should
>> restart with all the same tabs open. At least, it does for me, on OS X 10.8.
>
> I'm still in Safari 5, so this statement isn't relevant to me. But
> I'm curious. What does that have to do with the original question?
My reply wasn't to the original question, so it has nothing to do with it, nor was it intended to. It was just a reply a to a follow up comment why a feature was removed from safari 6. Because another was added that (for the most part) negates its purpose, and as we all know Apple detests extraneous options, so decided to remove it.
Chris
Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Jul 9, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
> On 09/07/13 00:00, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>> Yes, but that option's been removed in Safari 6.
>
> Because it is no longer needed. When you restart Safari 6 it should
> restart with all the same tabs open. At least, it does for me, on OS X 10.8.
>
>>
>> Otto
>>
>> On 8 July 2013 23:10, Patsy Price <beyondwords@
>>
>>> In Safari 5.1.6 it's under Safari Preferences > Tabs > Confirm before
>>> closing multiple tabs or windows.
>>>
>>> I'm grateful for the warning, even though it's an extra step when I
>>> really do wan to close the window with all its tabs.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Daly Jessup" dalyjessup
On Jul 9, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
> On 09/07/13 00:00, Otto Nikolaus wrote:
>> Yes, but that option's been removed in Safari 6.
>
> Because it is no longer needed. When you restart Safari 6 it should
> restart with all the same tabs open. At least, it does for me, on OS X 10.8.
>
>>
>> Otto
>>
>> On 8 July 2013 23:10, Patsy Price <beyondwords@
>>
>>> In Safari 5.1.6 it's under Safari Preferences > Tabs > Confirm before
>>> closing multiple tabs or windows.
>>>
>>> I'm grateful for the warning, even though it's an extra step when I
>>> really do wan to close the window with all its tabs.
I'm going to repeat what I sent earlier because I think it's relevant. I'm running Safari 6.0.5 in OS X 10.7 Lion.
In Safari's Preferences, under Tabs, I told it to open pages in tabs instead of windows "Automatically
But it's not automatic. It's a result of options under Safari preferences.
Daly
Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Otto Nikolaus" nikyzf
On 9 July 2013 21:36, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com > wrote:
>
> <Command><z>
>
Yes, that should cancel the last command in any app, but for me, it works
for reinstating the last closed tab but not for the last closed window.
Does it work for you? I've just found, however, that History > Reopen Last
Closed Window does this.
Otto
Safari 6.0.5
OS X 10.8.4
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> <Command>
>
Yes, that should cancel the last command in any app, but for me, it works
for reinstating the last closed tab but not for the last closed window.
Does it work for you? I've just found, however, that History > Reopen Last
Closed Window does this.
Otto
Safari 6.0.5
OS X 10.8.4
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Tue Jul 9, 2013 4:11 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Jim Saklad" jimdoc01
>> <Command><z>
>
> Yes, that should cancel the last command in any app, but for me, it works
> for reinstating the last closed tab but not for the last closed window.
I thought we were talking about the last closed tab(s).
My mistake.
I use the "Sessions"; extension in Safari.
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>
> Yes, that should cancel the last command in any app, but for me, it works
> for reinstating the last closed tab but not for the last closed window.
I thought we were talking about the last closed tab(s).
My mistake.
I use the "Sessions"
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Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@icloud.
Tue Jul 9, 2013 9:47 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"missladybee" missladybee
Hi Brent,
Thank you for all the information you provided, I really appreciate your help. Here is what I have for my Login Items.
Fetch
Mail
Safari
Endicia
PseudoAnacron
MenuCalendarClock iCal
Dropbox
Printer Pro Desktop
ScanNotification (All Users)
SymSecondaryLaunch (All
Thing is y computer starts up quickly in the morning and everything works right away, so I don't believe it is a problem of too many apps or login items. I will remove the first four on the login list, but I don't think startup is my problem, it's the frozen cursor and keyboard after a restart.
When I startup first thing every morning, everything comes up quickly and works right away. My problem happens if I RESTART during the day. I can see all my apps opening on the desktop very soon after the restart, it's just that the cursor (mouse Bluetooth or USB) and keyboard do not function. Everything stays frozen in place for at least 8 minutes.
I first noticed this problem after I did a System Update. The computer automatically restarted, came up fairly quickly, but the cursor remained frozen like I explained above. I have never run into the problem with any other computers I have ever owned, that's why I believe this is not normal behavior.
Barbara
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> Barbara,
>
> You will have a long, slow start up any time:
>
> - the Mac is improperly shut down, like holding the power button,
> - you start with Option, Command, P & R held down,
> - you start in Safe Mode,
> (Hell, booting into Safe Mode takes almost 10 to 12 minutes on mine, because it is checking a lot of things before it completes the start up.)
> - do a major upgrade of OS or app,
> - possible after you use another boot drive,
> - and anytime the Mac needs to sort things out before it turns over things to the user.
>
> Short start ups are only if you start to the same boot drive after, a proper shut down. BTW your Mac runs a diagnostics _every_ time it boots up.
>
> My regular routine to start my Mac is to press the power button and go make some coffee. Come back, enter my password, and do something else. Then start using my Mac. And that is after shutting it down properly.
>
> In the restart, after the Option, Command, P & R key are held down, the Mac did not go to sleep, that is part of the start up.
>
> Your regular start-ups might be shorter if you have a SSD as a boot drive or a Fusion drive, but a HD takes time. And all times are relative. Relative to your hardware, your apps, your set up, and how the Mac was last shut down. The more apps you have on your computer, any computer, the longer it takes to boot up. It has to check all the stuff the other apps have installed here and there. You're is relatively new, but how many apps have you installed on it. Closer to ten or closer to a hundred? And how CPU intense is each one? How big a library does each keep and access?
>
>
> So what are those 10 login items? Let's see if we can speed up the start up a little for you? My list is:
>
> Airport Base Station Agent
> Stickies
> Activity Monitor (I always have the CPU History window open to alert me to "things".
> Hardware Monitor (To watch for overheating.)
> SpeechSnythesisServer (I could turn this off.)
> CopyPast Pro
> Studio TVR Timer (I could get rid of this.)
> SMARTReporter (To help monitor the HD health.)
> DDAssist (I use a Drobo.)
> SurplusMeterAgent (To monitor my monthly data usage, to save historical usage for future comparison.)
> ClamXavSentry (I leave this running in the background.)
>
>
> The items on this list delays when I can start working by about 90 to 120 seconds. Seems longer, but it probably is shorter. You will notice that I do not have any email app or browser in the list, even though they get opened every day. They just slow down the start up. Mail.app takes I guess another 60 to 120 seconds to open and get my mail before it will allow me to use it. The various browsers I use take varying amounts of time to be useable. When I open Bento, it takes closer to 3 minutes to open its library databases. And I have only about a dozen that I have created and they are not all that big.
>
> Sometimes I just need to boot my Mac and get a piece of info, and so I want to limit what it opens that will delay when I can start working. And every app you add to in Login Items or that Restore reopens, slows when you can use the Mac.
>
> If you had PhotoShop or iPhoto in your login items with a large photo library, then you would have to what a relative long time to gain access to your Mac.
>
> So to borrow a phrase, "What's on your list?". (From a local grocery chain.)
>
> I don't ask questions just to hear myself type. SO, what are the items on your list of Login Items?
>
> Believe it or not, I really am trying to help. And sometime that is to just remind us of the basics, and sometimes it is to adjust expectations. But usually it is to help us get the most out of what we already have.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:54 PM, missladybee wrote:
>
> No the keyboard does not work when this happens. I tried the keystrokes you mentioned and they do not work when the cursor is frozen at startup. This method didn't work with either Apple or my other keyboard. Pressing and holding the power button works.
>
> Unplugged
> Pressed power button 2x's
> Plugged back in
> Waited 10 seconds
> Restarted
> Cursor frozen in place even though programs launched I could do nothing with them
>
> Repeated but at restart held down the Option, Command, P & R
> Chimed 2x's
> Released
> Instead of a cursor it was briefly a spinning beach ball. Then the beach ball quit spinning and stayed that way but I could move it around. During this time nothing worked.
>
>
> 5 minuted later the computer went to sleep. Power Computer sleep and Display sleep are set at NEVER, UPS Computer sleep is set at 10 min Display sleep at 2 min;.
>
> 3 minutes later it woke on it's own and the cursor was back and working.
>
> In all it took 8 minutes for the cursor to start working again.
>
> I have 10 Login Items listed in Users & Groups.
>
> Tried Safe Mode. When the login screen came up I was unable to type in the password because the cursor was frozen and keyboard did not work. This made me think it was the keyboard since I don't us an Apple keyboard. I connected up the Apple keyboard but problem stayed the same.
>
> Every time the cursor freezes like this it takes EXACTLY the same amount of time to start working … 8 minutes. Plus this only happens when after the computer has been on for a while and then is restarted. It has NEVER happens when the computer is turned off and then restarted a few hours later.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Barbara
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Thank you for all the information you provided, I really appreciate your help. Here is what I have for my Login Items.
Fetch
Safari
Endicia
PseudoAnacron
MenuCalendarClock iCal
Dropbox
Printer Pro Desktop
ScanNotification (All Users)
SymSecondaryLaunch (All
Thing is y computer starts up quickly in the morning and everything works right away, so I don't believe it is a problem of too many apps or login items. I will remove the first four on the login list, but I don't think startup is my problem, it's the frozen cursor and keyboard after a restart.
When I startup first thing every morning, everything comes up quickly and works right away. My problem happens if I RESTART during the day. I can see all my apps opening on the desktop very soon after the restart, it's just that the cursor (mouse Bluetooth or USB) and keyboard do not function. Everything stays frozen in place for at least 8 minutes.
I first noticed this problem after I did a System Update. The computer automatically restarted, came up fairly quickly, but the cursor remained frozen like I explained above. I have never run into the problem with any other computers I have ever owned, that's why I believe this is not normal behavior.
Barbara
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Barbara,
>
> You will have a long, slow start up any time:
>
> - the Mac is improperly shut down, like holding the power button,
> - you start with Option, Command, P & R held down,
> - you start in Safe Mode,
> (Hell, booting into Safe Mode takes almost 10 to 12 minutes on mine, because it is checking a lot of things before it completes the start up.)
> - do a major upgrade of OS or app,
> - possible after you use another boot drive,
> - and anytime the Mac needs to sort things out before it turns over things to the user.
>
> Short start ups are only if you start to the same boot drive after, a proper shut down. BTW your Mac runs a diagnostics _every_ time it boots up.
>
> My regular routine to start my Mac is to press the power button and go make some coffee. Come back, enter my password, and do something else. Then start using my Mac. And that is after shutting it down properly.
>
> In the restart, after the Option, Command, P & R key are held down, the Mac did not go to sleep, that is part of the start up.
>
> Your regular start-ups might be shorter if you have a SSD as a boot drive or a Fusion drive, but a HD takes time. And all times are relative. Relative to your hardware, your apps, your set up, and how the Mac was last shut down. The more apps you have on your computer, any computer, the longer it takes to boot up. It has to check all the stuff the other apps have installed here and there. You're is relatively new, but how many apps have you installed on it. Closer to ten or closer to a hundred? And how CPU intense is each one? How big a library does each keep and access?
>
>
> So what are those 10 login items? Let's see if we can speed up the start up a little for you? My list is:
>
> Airport Base Station Agent
> Stickies
> Activity Monitor (I always have the CPU History window open to alert me to "things"
> Hardware Monitor (To watch for overheating.
> SpeechSnythesisServ
> CopyPast Pro
> Studio TVR Timer (I could get rid of this.)
> SMARTReporter (To help monitor the HD health.)
> DDAssist (I use a Drobo.)
> SurplusMeterAgent (To monitor my monthly data usage, to save historical usage for future comparison.)
> ClamXavSentry (I leave this running in the background.)
>
>
> The items on this list delays when I can start working by about 90 to 120 seconds. Seems longer, but it probably is shorter. You will notice that I do not have any email app or browser in the list, even though they get opened every day. They just slow down the start up. Mail.app takes I guess another 60 to 120 seconds to open and get my mail before it will allow me to use it. The various browsers I use take varying amounts of time to be useable. When I open Bento, it takes closer to 3 minutes to open its library databases. And I have only about a dozen that I have created and they are not all that big.
>
> Sometimes I just need to boot my Mac and get a piece of info, and so I want to limit what it opens that will delay when I can start working. And every app you add to in Login Items or that Restore reopens, slows when you can use the Mac.
>
> If you had PhotoShop or iPhoto in your login items with a large photo library, then you would have to what a relative long time to gain access to your Mac.
>
> So to borrow a phrase, "What&#
>
> I don't ask questions just to hear myself type. SO, what are the items on your list of Login Items?
>
> Believe it or not, I really am trying to help. And sometime that is to just remind us of the basics, and sometimes it is to adjust expectations. But usually it is to help us get the most out of what we already have.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:54 PM, missladybee wrote:
>
> No the keyboard does not work when this happens. I tried the keystrokes you mentioned and they do not work when the cursor is frozen at startup. This method didn't work with either Apple or my other keyboard. Pressing and holding the power button works.
>
> Unplugged
> Pressed power button 2x's
> Plugged back in
> Waited 10 seconds
> Restarted
> Cursor frozen in place even though programs launched I could do nothing with them
>
> Repeated but at restart held down the Option, Command, P & R
> Chimed 2x's
> Released
> Instead of a cursor it was briefly a spinning beach ball. Then the beach ball quit spinning and stayed that way but I could move it around. During this time nothing worked.
>
>
> 5 minuted later the computer went to sleep. Power Computer sleep and Display sleep are set at NEVER, UPS Computer sleep is set at 10 min Display sleep at 2 min;.
>
> 3 minutes later it woke on it's own and the cursor was back and working.
>
> In all it took 8 minutes for the cursor to start working again.
>
> I have 10 Login Items listed in Users & Groups.
>
> Tried Safe Mode. When the login screen came up I was unable to type in the password because the cursor was frozen and keyboard did not work. This made me think it was the keyboard since I don't us an Apple keyboard. I connected up the Apple keyboard but problem stayed the same.
>
> Every time the cursor freezes like this it takes EXACTLY the same amount of time to start working … 8 minutes. Plus this only happens when after the computer has been on for a while and then is restarted. It has NEVER happens when the computer is turned off and then restarted a few hours later.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Barbara
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:27 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
You keep mentioning your slow restart times, well that happens when it is not properly shut down, like a force shutdown after a freeze. And that is how I got sidetracked on to start up times.
But this did shed some light onto the problem.
What Norton product are you using? The last two items in your login item list are for a Norton product, probably an AV app. That is most likely why your computer is freezing. It is also probably why you have an 8 minute delay in the use of your keyboard and cursor.
Please answer this, relative to when you installed Norton, when did your freezes start, before or after? <---- ********
Most Mac users have avoided Norton products since the early 90's, because it is the AV software most likely to interfere with your Mac. And I don't care that that is the one that is offered by most ISP's, they don't have to deal with the problems directly and most of their IT staff is Windows oriented.
My suggestion is to get rid of it. If you want an AV app, find another, almost any other. Sophos sometimes causes noticeable slowdowns, but I have not heard of freezes with it.
If you want an in depth review of various AV software out there and their effectiveness, go to http://www.thesafemac.com/ , but be ready to have your sox scared off you. Don't let it scare you. The site is all about malware, and is not intended for the average user. It is not a puff-piece review site you see elsewhere. It is intended more for the power user that codes, and digs deep. It is pretty much over my head.
If I did not sometime share docs with Windows users, mostly from work, I would probably not have any AV software on my Mac. I have ClamxAV for the Mac side, and MS Security Essentials installed in the BootCamp partition.
As far as removing items from your list, if Endicia is not a printer "monitor/awareness" component I would remove it, if start up speed is your concern. How often do you print postage?
Again, if start up speed is a concern, I would only have the background apps, or "monitor/awareness" components on the list, like PseudoAnacron, MenuCalendarClock iCal and Printer Pro Desktop. Any app that requires direct user involvement, unless it is used first thing every time the computer is usedI would remove from the list, like Fetch, Mail, Safari, and maybe Dropbox. (I don't use it, not certain what the app does.) If start up speed is not an issue, then ignore this paragraph.
I will bet you a dollar to a donut, that if you get rid of the Norton software, you will stop having freezes.
Brent
On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:47 AM, missladybee wrote:
Hi Brent,
Thank you for all the information you provided, I really appreciate your help. Here is what I have for my Login Items.
Fetch
Mail
Safari
Endicia
PseudoAnacron
MenuCalendarClock iCal
Dropbox
Printer Pro Desktop
ScanNotification (All Users)
SymSecondaryLaunch (All
Thing is y computer starts up quickly in the morning and everything works right away, so I don't believe it is a problem of too many apps or login items. I will remove the first four on the login list, but I don't think startup is my problem, it's the frozen cursor and keyboard after a restart.
When I startup first thing every morning, everything comes up quickly and works right away. My problem happens if I RESTART during the day. I can see all my apps opening on the desktop very soon after the restart, it's just that the cursor (mouse Bluetooth or USB) and keyboard do not function. Everything stays frozen in place for at least 8 minutes.
I first noticed this problem after I did a System Update. The computer automatically restarted, came up fairly quickly, but the cursor remained frozen like I explained above. I have never run into the problem with any other computers I have ever owned, that's why I believe this is not normal behavior.
Barbara
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> Barbara,
>
> You will have a long, slow start up any time:
>
> - the Mac is improperly shut down, like holding the power button,
> - you start with Option, Command, P & R held down,
> - you start in Safe Mode,
> (Hell, booting into Safe Mode takes almost 10 to 12 minutes on mine, because it is checking a lot of things before it completes the start up.)
> - do a major upgrade of OS or app,
> - possible after you use another boot drive,
> - and anytime the Mac needs to sort things out before it turns over things to the user.
>
> Short start ups are only if you start to the same boot drive after, a proper shut down. BTW your Mac runs a diagnostics _every_ time it boots up.
>
> My regular routine to start my Mac is to press the power button and go make some coffee. Come back, enter my password, and do something else. Then start using my Mac. And that is after shutting it down properly.
>
> In the restart, after the Option, Command, P & R key are held down, the Mac did not go to sleep, that is part of the start up.
>
> Your regular start-ups might be shorter if you have a SSD as a boot drive or a Fusion drive, but a HD takes time. And all times are relative. Relative to your hardware, your apps, your set up, and how the Mac was last shut down. The more apps you have on your computer, any computer, the longer it takes to boot up. It has to check all the stuff the other apps have installed here and there. You're is relatively new, but how many apps have you installed on it. Closer to ten or closer to a hundred? And how CPU intense is each one? How big a library does each keep and access?
>
>
> So what are those 10 login items? Let's see if we can speed up the start up a little for you? My list is:
>
> Airport Base Station Agent
> Stickies
> Activity Monitor (I always have the CPU History window open to alert me to "things".
> Hardware Monitor (To watch for overheating.)
> SpeechSnythesisServer (I could turn this off.)
> CopyPast Pro
> Studio TVR Timer (I could get rid of this.)
> SMARTReporter (To help monitor the HD health.)
> DDAssist (I use a Drobo.)
> SurplusMeterAgent (To monitor my monthly data usage, to save historical usage for future comparison.)
> ClamXavSentry (I leave this running in the background.)
>
>
> The items on this list delays when I can start working by about 90 to 120 seconds. Seems longer, but it probably is shorter. You will notice that I do not have any email app or browser in the list, even though they get opened every day. They just slow down the start up. Mail.app takes I guess another 60 to 120 seconds to open and get my mail before it will allow me to use it. The various browsers I use take varying amounts of time to be useable. When I open Bento, it takes closer to 3 minutes to open its library databases. And I have only about a dozen that I have created and they are not all that big.
>
> Sometimes I just need to boot my Mac and get a piece of info, and so I want to limit what it opens that will delay when I can start working. And every app you add to in Login Items or that Restore reopens, slows when you can use the Mac.
>
> If you had PhotoShop or iPhoto in your login items with a large photo library, then you would have to what a relative long time to gain access to your Mac.
>
> So to borrow a phrase, "What's on your list?". (From a local grocery chain.)
>
> I don't ask questions just to hear myself type. SO, what are the items on your list of Login Items?
>
> Believe it or not, I really am trying to help. And sometime that is to just remind us of the basics, and sometimes it is to adjust expectations. But usually it is to help us get the most out of what we already have.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:54 PM, missladybee wrote:
>
> No the keyboard does not work when this happens. I tried the keystrokes you mentioned and they do not work when the cursor is frozen at startup. This method didn't work with either Apple or my other keyboard. Pressing and holding the power button works.
>
> Unplugged
> Pressed power button 2x's
> Plugged back in
> Waited 10 seconds
> Restarted
> Cursor frozen in place even though programs launched I could do nothing with them
>
> Repeated but at restart held down the Option, Command, P & R
> Chimed 2x's
> Released
> Instead of a cursor it was briefly a spinning beach ball. Then the beach ball quit spinning and stayed that way but I could move it around. During this time nothing worked.
>
>
> 5 minuted later the computer went to sleep. Power Computer sleep and Display sleep are set at NEVER, UPS Computer sleep is set at 10 min Display sleep at 2 min;.
>
> 3 minutes later it woke on it's own and the cursor was back and working.
>
> In all it took 8 minutes for the cursor to start working again.
>
> I have 10 Login Items listed in Users & Groups.
>
> Tried Safe Mode. When the login screen came up I was unable to type in the password because the cursor was frozen and keyboard did not work. This made me think it was the keyboard since I don't us an Apple keyboard. I connected up the Apple keyboard but problem stayed the same.
>
> Every time the cursor freezes like this it takes EXACTLY the same amount of time to start working � 8 minutes. Plus this only happens when after the computer has been on for a while and then is restarted. It has NEVER happens when the computer is turned off and then restarted a few hours later.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Barbara
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
But this did shed some light onto the problem.
What Norton product are you using? The last two items in your login item list are for a Norton product, probably an AV app. That is most likely why your computer is freezing. It is also probably why you have an 8 minute delay in the use of your keyboard and cursor.
Please answer this, relative to when you installed Norton, when did your freezes start, before or after? <---- ********
Most Mac users have avoided Norton products since the early 90's, because it is the AV software most likely to interfere with your Mac. And I don't care that that is the one that is offered by most ISP's, they don't have to deal with the problems directly and most of their IT staff is Windows oriented.
My suggestion is to get rid of it. If you want an AV app, find another, almost any other. Sophos sometimes causes noticeable slowdowns, but I have not heard of freezes with it.
If you want an in depth review of various AV software out there and their effectiveness, go to http://www.thesafem
If I did not sometime share docs with Windows users, mostly from work, I would probably not have any AV software on my Mac. I have ClamxAV for the Mac side, and MS Security Essentials installed in the BootCamp partition.
As far as removing items from your list, if Endicia is not a printer "monitor/
Again, if start up speed is a concern, I would only have the background apps, or "monitor/
I will bet you a dollar to a donut, that if you get rid of the Norton software, you will stop having freezes.
Brent
On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:47 AM, missladybee wrote:
Hi Brent,
Thank you for all the information you provided, I really appreciate your help. Here is what I have for my Login Items.
Fetch
Safari
Endicia
PseudoAnacron
MenuCalendarClock iCal
Dropbox
Printer Pro Desktop
ScanNotification (All Users)
SymSecondaryLaunch (All
Thing is y computer starts up quickly in the morning and everything works right away, so I don't believe it is a problem of too many apps or login items. I will remove the first four on the login list, but I don't think startup is my problem, it's the frozen cursor and keyboard after a restart.
When I startup first thing every morning, everything comes up quickly and works right away. My problem happens if I RESTART during the day. I can see all my apps opening on the desktop very soon after the restart, it's just that the cursor (mouse Bluetooth or USB) and keyboard do not function. Everything stays frozen in place for at least 8 minutes.
I first noticed this problem after I did a System Update. The computer automatically restarted, came up fairly quickly, but the cursor remained frozen like I explained above. I have never run into the problem with any other computers I have ever owned, that's why I believe this is not normal behavior.
Barbara
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Barbara,
>
> You will have a long, slow start up any time:
>
> - the Mac is improperly shut down, like holding the power button,
> - you start with Option, Command, P & R held down,
> - you start in Safe Mode,
> (Hell, booting into Safe Mode takes almost 10 to 12 minutes on mine, because it is checking a lot of things before it completes the start up.)
> - do a major upgrade of OS or app,
> - possible after you use another boot drive,
> - and anytime the Mac needs to sort things out before it turns over things to the user.
>
> Short start ups are only if you start to the same boot drive after, a proper shut down. BTW your Mac runs a diagnostics _every_ time it boots up.
>
> My regular routine to start my Mac is to press the power button and go make some coffee. Come back, enter my password, and do something else. Then start using my Mac. And that is after shutting it down properly.
>
> In the restart, after the Option, Command, P & R key are held down, the Mac did not go to sleep, that is part of the start up.
>
> Your regular start-ups might be shorter if you have a SSD as a boot drive or a Fusion drive, but a HD takes time. And all times are relative. Relative to your hardware, your apps, your set up, and how the Mac was last shut down. The more apps you have on your computer, any computer, the longer it takes to boot up. It has to check all the stuff the other apps have installed here and there. You're is relatively new, but how many apps have you installed on it. Closer to ten or closer to a hundred? And how CPU intense is each one? How big a library does each keep and access?
>
>
> So what are those 10 login items? Let's see if we can speed up the start up a little for you? My list is:
>
> Airport Base Station Agent
> Stickies
> Activity Monitor (I always have the CPU History window open to alert me to "things"
> Hardware Monitor (To watch for overheating.
> SpeechSnythesisServ
> CopyPast Pro
> Studio TVR Timer (I could get rid of this.)
> SMARTReporter (To help monitor the HD health.)
> DDAssist (I use a Drobo.)
> SurplusMeterAgent (To monitor my monthly data usage, to save historical usage for future comparison.)
> ClamXavSentry (I leave this running in the background.)
>
>
> The items on this list delays when I can start working by about 90 to 120 seconds. Seems longer, but it probably is shorter. You will notice that I do not have any email app or browser in the list, even though they get opened every day. They just slow down the start up. Mail.app takes I guess another 60 to 120 seconds to open and get my mail before it will allow me to use it. The various browsers I use take varying amounts of time to be useable. When I open Bento, it takes closer to 3 minutes to open its library databases. And I have only about a dozen that I have created and they are not all that big.
>
> Sometimes I just need to boot my Mac and get a piece of info, and so I want to limit what it opens that will delay when I can start working. And every app you add to in Login Items or that Restore reopens, slows when you can use the Mac.
>
> If you had PhotoShop or iPhoto in your login items with a large photo library, then you would have to what a relative long time to gain access to your Mac.
>
> So to borrow a phrase, "What&#
>
> I don't ask questions just to hear myself type. SO, what are the items on your list of Login Items?
>
> Believe it or not, I really am trying to help. And sometime that is to just remind us of the basics, and sometimes it is to adjust expectations. But usually it is to help us get the most out of what we already have.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:54 PM, missladybee wrote:
>
> No the keyboard does not work when this happens. I tried the keystrokes you mentioned and they do not work when the cursor is frozen at startup. This method didn't work with either Apple or my other keyboard. Pressing and holding the power button works.
>
> Unplugged
> Pressed power button 2x's
> Plugged back in
> Waited 10 seconds
> Restarted
> Cursor frozen in place even though programs launched I could do nothing with them
>
> Repeated but at restart held down the Option, Command, P & R
> Chimed 2x's
> Released
> Instead of a cursor it was briefly a spinning beach ball. Then the beach ball quit spinning and stayed that way but I could move it around. During this time nothing worked.
>
>
> 5 minuted later the computer went to sleep. Power Computer sleep and Display sleep are set at NEVER, UPS Computer sleep is set at 10 min Display sleep at 2 min;.
>
> 3 minutes later it woke on it's own and the cursor was back and working.
>
> In all it took 8 minutes for the cursor to start working again.
>
> I have 10 Login Items listed in Users & Groups.
>
> Tried Safe Mode. When the login screen came up I was unable to type in the password because the cursor was frozen and keyboard did not work. This made me think it was the keyboard since I don't us an Apple keyboard. I connected up the Apple keyboard but problem stayed the same.
>
> Every time the cursor freezes like this it takes EXACTLY the same amount of time to start working � 8 minutes. Plus this only happens when after the computer has been on for a while and then is restarted. It has NEVER happens when the computer is turned off and then restarted a few hours later.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Barbara
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"N.A. Nada"
PS:
Not only is Norton probably causing the slow start up, it is probably what is causing the freezes. I just wanted to make that clear.
Brent
On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:27 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
You keep mentioning your slow restart times, well that happens when it is not properly shut down, like a force shutdown after a freeze. And that is how I got sidetracked on to start up times.
But this did shed some light onto the problem.
What Norton product are you using? The last two items in your login item list are for a Norton product, probably an AV app. That is most likely why your computer is freezing. It is also probably why you have an 8 minute delay in the use of your keyboard and cursor.
Please answer this, relative to when you installed Norton, when did your freezes start, before or after? <---- ********
Most Mac users have avoided Norton products since the early 90's, because it is the AV software most likely to interfere with your Mac. And I don't care that that is the one that is offered by most ISP's, they don't have to deal with the problems directly and most of their IT staff is Windows oriented.
My suggestion is to get rid of it. If you want an AV app, find another, almost any other. Sophos sometimes causes noticeable slowdowns, but I have not heard of freezes with it.
If you want an in depth review of various AV software out there and their effectiveness, go to http://www.thesafemac.com/ , but be ready to have your sox scared off you. Don't let it scare you. The site is all about malware, and is not intended for the average user. It is not a puff-piece review site you see elsewhere. It is intended more for the power user that codes, and digs deep. It is pretty much over my head.
If I did not sometime share docs with Windows users, mostly from work, I would probably not have any AV software on my Mac. I have ClamxAV for the Mac side, and MS Security Essentials installed in the BootCamp partition.
As far as removing items from your list, if Endicia is not a printer "monitor/awareness" component I would remove it, if start up speed is your concern. How often do you print postage?
Again, if start up speed is a concern, I would only have the background apps, or "monitor/awareness" components on the list, like PseudoAnacron, MenuCalendarClock iCal and Printer Pro Desktop. Any app that requires direct user involvement, unless it is used first thing every time the computer is usedI would remove from the list, like Fetch, Mail, Safari, and maybe Dropbox. (I don't use it, not certain what the app does.) If start up speed is not an issue, then ignore this paragraph.
I will bet you a dollar to a donut, that if you get rid of the Norton software, you will stop having freezes.
Brent
On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:47 AM, missladybee wrote:
Hi Brent,
Thank you for all the information you provided, I really appreciate your help. Here is what I have for my Login Items.
Fetch
Mail
Safari
Endicia
PseudoAnacron
MenuCalendarClock iCal
Dropbox
Printer Pro Desktop
ScanNotification (All Users)
SymSecondaryLaunch (All
Thing is y computer starts up quickly in the morning and everything works right away, so I don't believe it is a problem of too many apps or login items. I will remove the first four on the login list, but I don't think startup is my problem, it's the frozen cursor and keyboard after a restart.
When I startup first thing every morning, everything comes up quickly and works right away. My problem happens if I RESTART during the day. I can see all my apps opening on the desktop very soon after the restart, it's just that the cursor (mouse Bluetooth or USB) and keyboard do not function. Everything stays frozen in place for at least 8 minutes.
I first noticed this problem after I did a System Update. The computer automatically restarted, came up fairly quickly, but the cursor remained frozen like I explained above. I have never run into the problem with any other computers I have ever owned, that's why I believe this is not normal behavior.
Barbara
--- In macsupportcentral@yahoogroups.com , "N.A. Nada" <whodo678@...> wrote:
>
> Barbara,
>
> You will have a long, slow start up any time:
>
> - the Mac is improperly shut down, like holding the power button,
> - you start with Option, Command, P & R held down,
> - you start in Safe Mode,
> (Hell, booting into Safe Mode takes almost 10 to 12 minutes on mine, because it is checking a lot of things before it completes the start up.)
> - do a major upgrade of OS or app,
> - possible after you use another boot drive,
> - and anytime the Mac needs to sort things out before it turns over things to the user.
>
> Short start ups are only if you start to the same boot drive after, a proper shut down. BTW your Mac runs a diagnostics _every_ time it boots up.
>
> My regular routine to start my Mac is to press the power button and go make some coffee. Come back, enter my password, and do something else. Then start using my Mac. And that is after shutting it down properly.
>
> In the restart, after the Option, Command, P & R key are held down, the Mac did not go to sleep, that is part of the start up.
>
> Your regular start-ups might be shorter if you have a SSD as a boot drive or a Fusion drive, but a HD takes time. And all times are relative. Relative to your hardware, your apps, your set up, and how the Mac was last shut down. The more apps you have on your computer, any computer, the longer it takes to boot up. It has to check all the stuff the other apps have installed here and there. You're is relatively new, but how many apps have you installed on it. Closer to ten or closer to a hundred? And how CPU intense is each one? How big a library does each keep and access?
>
>
> So what are those 10 login items? Let's see if we can speed up the start up a little for you? My list is:
>
> Airport Base Station Agent
> Stickies
> Activity Monitor (I always have the CPU History window open to alert me to "things".
> Hardware Monitor (To watch for overheating.)
> SpeechSnythesisServer (I could turn this off.)
> CopyPast Pro
> Studio TVR Timer (I could get rid of this.)
> SMARTReporter (To help monitor the HD health.)
> DDAssist (I use a Drobo.)
> SurplusMeterAgent (To monitor my monthly data usage, to save historical usage for future comparison.)
> ClamXavSentry (I leave this running in the background.)
>
>
> The items on this list delays when I can start working by about 90 to 120 seconds. Seems longer, but it probably is shorter. You will notice that I do not have any email app or browser in the list, even though they get opened every day. They just slow down the start up. Mail.app takes I guess another 60 to 120 seconds to open and get my mail before it will allow me to use it. The various browsers I use take varying amounts of time to be useable. When I open Bento, it takes closer to 3 minutes to open its library databases. And I have only about a dozen that I have created and they are not all that big.
>
> Sometimes I just need to boot my Mac and get a piece of info, and so I want to limit what it opens that will delay when I can start working. And every app you add to in Login Items or that Restore reopens, slows when you can use the Mac.
>
> If you had PhotoShop or iPhoto in your login items with a large photo library, then you would have to what a relative long time to gain access to your Mac.
>
> So to borrow a phrase, "What's on your list?". (From a local grocery chain.)
>
> I don't ask questions just to hear myself type. SO, what are the items on your list of Login Items?
>
> Believe it or not, I really am trying to help. And sometime that is to just remind us of the basics, and sometimes it is to adjust expectations. But usually it is to help us get the most out of what we already have.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:54 PM, missladybee wrote:
>
> No the keyboard does not work when this happens. I tried the keystrokes you mentioned and they do not work when the cursor is frozen at startup. This method didn't work with either Apple or my other keyboard. Pressing and holding the power button works.
>
> Unplugged
> Pressed power button 2x's
> Plugged back in
> Waited 10 seconds
> Restarted
> Cursor frozen in place even though programs launched I could do nothing with them
>
> Repeated but at restart held down the Option, Command, P & R
> Chimed 2x's
> Released
> Instead of a cursor it was briefly a spinning beach ball. Then the beach ball quit spinning and stayed that way but I could move it around. During this time nothing worked.
>
>
> 5 minuted later the computer went to sleep. Power Computer sleep and Display sleep are set at NEVER, UPS Computer sleep is set at 10 min Display sleep at 2 min;.
>
> 3 minutes later it woke on it's own and the cursor was back and working.
>
> In all it took 8 minutes for the cursor to start working again.
>
> I have 10 Login Items listed in Users & Groups.
>
> Tried Safe Mode. When the login screen came up I was unable to type in the password because the cursor was frozen and keyboard did not work. This made me think it was the keyboard since I don't us an Apple keyboard. I connected up the Apple keyboard but problem stayed the same.
>
> Every time the cursor freezes like this it takes EXACTLY the same amount of time to start working ∑ 8 minutes. Plus this only happens when after the computer has been on for a while and then is restarted. It has NEVER happens when the computer is turned off and then restarted a few hours later.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Barbara
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Not only is Norton probably causing the slow start up, it is probably what is causing the freezes. I just wanted to make that clear.
Brent
On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:27 PM, N.A. Nada wrote:
You keep mentioning your slow restart times, well that happens when it is not properly shut down, like a force shutdown after a freeze. And that is how I got sidetracked on to start up times.
But this did shed some light onto the problem.
What Norton product are you using? The last two items in your login item list are for a Norton product, probably an AV app. That is most likely why your computer is freezing. It is also probably why you have an 8 minute delay in the use of your keyboard and cursor.
Please answer this, relative to when you installed Norton, when did your freezes start, before or after? <---- ********
Most Mac users have avoided Norton products since the early 90's, because it is the AV software most likely to interfere with your Mac. And I don't care that that is the one that is offered by most ISP's, they don't have to deal with the problems directly and most of their IT staff is Windows oriented.
My suggestion is to get rid of it. If you want an AV app, find another, almost any other. Sophos sometimes causes noticeable slowdowns, but I have not heard of freezes with it.
If you want an in depth review of various AV software out there and their effectiveness, go to http://www.thesafem
If I did not sometime share docs with Windows users, mostly from work, I would probably not have any AV software on my Mac. I have ClamxAV for the Mac side, and MS Security Essentials installed in the BootCamp partition.
As far as removing items from your list, if Endicia is not a printer "monitor/
Again, if start up speed is a concern, I would only have the background apps, or "monitor/
I will bet you a dollar to a donut, that if you get rid of the Norton software, you will stop having freezes.
Brent
On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:47 AM, missladybee wrote:
Hi Brent,
Thank you for all the information you provided, I really appreciate your help. Here is what I have for my Login Items.
Fetch
Safari
Endicia
PseudoAnacron
MenuCalendarClock iCal
Dropbox
Printer Pro Desktop
ScanNotification (All Users)
SymSecondaryLaunch (All
Thing is y computer starts up quickly in the morning and everything works right away, so I don't believe it is a problem of too many apps or login items. I will remove the first four on the login list, but I don't think startup is my problem, it's the frozen cursor and keyboard after a restart.
When I startup first thing every morning, everything comes up quickly and works right away. My problem happens if I RESTART during the day. I can see all my apps opening on the desktop very soon after the restart, it's just that the cursor (mouse Bluetooth or USB) and keyboard do not function. Everything stays frozen in place for at least 8 minutes.
I first noticed this problem after I did a System Update. The computer automatically restarted, came up fairly quickly, but the cursor remained frozen like I explained above. I have never run into the problem with any other computers I have ever owned, that's why I believe this is not normal behavior.
Barbara
--- In macsupportcentral@
>
> Barbara,
>
> You will have a long, slow start up any time:
>
> - the Mac is improperly shut down, like holding the power button,
> - you start with Option, Command, P & R held down,
> - you start in Safe Mode,
> (Hell, booting into Safe Mode takes almost 10 to 12 minutes on mine, because it is checking a lot of things before it completes the start up.)
> - do a major upgrade of OS or app,
> - possible after you use another boot drive,
> - and anytime the Mac needs to sort things out before it turns over things to the user.
>
> Short start ups are only if you start to the same boot drive after, a proper shut down. BTW your Mac runs a diagnostics _every_ time it boots up.
>
> My regular routine to start my Mac is to press the power button and go make some coffee. Come back, enter my password, and do something else. Then start using my Mac. And that is after shutting it down properly.
>
> In the restart, after the Option, Command, P & R key are held down, the Mac did not go to sleep, that is part of the start up.
>
> Your regular start-ups might be shorter if you have a SSD as a boot drive or a Fusion drive, but a HD takes time. And all times are relative. Relative to your hardware, your apps, your set up, and how the Mac was last shut down. The more apps you have on your computer, any computer, the longer it takes to boot up. It has to check all the stuff the other apps have installed here and there. You're is relatively new, but how many apps have you installed on it. Closer to ten or closer to a hundred? And how CPU intense is each one? How big a library does each keep and access?
>
>
> So what are those 10 login items? Let's see if we can speed up the start up a little for you? My list is:
>
> Airport Base Station Agent
> Stickies
> Activity Monitor (I always have the CPU History window open to alert me to "things"
> Hardware Monitor (To watch for overheating.
> SpeechSnythesisServ
> CopyPast Pro
> Studio TVR Timer (I could get rid of this.)
> SMARTReporter (To help monitor the HD health.)
> DDAssist (I use a Drobo.)
> SurplusMeterAgent (To monitor my monthly data usage, to save historical usage for future comparison.)
> ClamXavSentry (I leave this running in the background.)
>
>
> The items on this list delays when I can start working by about 90 to 120 seconds. Seems longer, but it probably is shorter. You will notice that I do not have any email app or browser in the list, even though they get opened every day. They just slow down the start up. Mail.app takes I guess another 60 to 120 seconds to open and get my mail before it will allow me to use it. The various browsers I use take varying amounts of time to be useable. When I open Bento, it takes closer to 3 minutes to open its library databases. And I have only about a dozen that I have created and they are not all that big.
>
> Sometimes I just need to boot my Mac and get a piece of info, and so I want to limit what it opens that will delay when I can start working. And every app you add to in Login Items or that Restore reopens, slows when you can use the Mac.
>
> If you had PhotoShop or iPhoto in your login items with a large photo library, then you would have to what a relative long time to gain access to your Mac.
>
> So to borrow a phrase, "What&#
>
> I don't ask questions just to hear myself type. SO, what are the items on your list of Login Items?
>
> Believe it or not, I really am trying to help. And sometime that is to just remind us of the basics, and sometimes it is to adjust expectations. But usually it is to help us get the most out of what we already have.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:54 PM, missladybee wrote:
>
> No the keyboard does not work when this happens. I tried the keystrokes you mentioned and they do not work when the cursor is frozen at startup. This method didn't work with either Apple or my other keyboard. Pressing and holding the power button works.
>
> Unplugged
> Pressed power button 2x's
> Plugged back in
> Waited 10 seconds
> Restarted
> Cursor frozen in place even though programs launched I could do nothing with them
>
> Repeated but at restart held down the Option, Command, P & R
> Chimed 2x's
> Released
> Instead of a cursor it was briefly a spinning beach ball. Then the beach ball quit spinning and stayed that way but I could move it around. During this time nothing worked.
>
>
> 5 minuted later the computer went to sleep. Power Computer sleep and Display sleep are set at NEVER, UPS Computer sleep is set at 10 min Display sleep at 2 min;.
>
> 3 minutes later it woke on it's own and the cursor was back and working.
>
> In all it took 8 minutes for the cursor to start working again.
>
> I have 10 Login Items listed in Users & Groups.
>
> Tried Safe Mode. When the login screen came up I was unable to type in the password because the cursor was frozen and keyboard did not work. This made me think it was the keyboard since I don't us an Apple keyboard. I connected up the Apple keyboard but problem stayed the same.
>
> Every time the cursor freezes like this it takes EXACTLY the same amount of time to start working ∑ 8 minutes. Plus this only happens when after the computer has been on for a while and then is restarted. It has NEVER happens when the computer is turned off and then restarted a few hours later.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Barbara
>
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Tue Jul 9, 2013 11:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Denver Dan" denverdan22180
Howdy.
This is an interesting interview of the head of OWC, Larry O'Connor, on
the new MacPro.
He talks about PCIe, Thunderbolt 2, new AMD GPU chips, and touches on
RAM.
He hints at new Thunderbolt products showing up shortly.
<http://macdailynews.com/2013/07/08/owcs-larry-oconnor-apples-new-mac-pro-is-both-disappointing-and-exciting/ >
OWC�s Larry O�Connor: the New Mac Pro is Both Disappointing & Exciting
by John Martellaro
Jul 8th, 2013 2:10 PM EDT
Originally from The Mac Observer
Denver Dan
This is an interesting interview of the head of OWC, Larry O'Connor, on
the new MacPro.
He talks about PCIe, Thunderbolt 2, new AMD GPU chips, and touches on
RAM.
He hints at new Thunderbolt products showing up shortly.
<http://macdailynews
OWC�s Larry O�Connor: the New Mac Pro is Both Disappointing & Exciting
by John Martellaro
Jul 8th, 2013 2:10 PM EDT
Originally from The Mac Observer
Denver Dan
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